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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:06 am


    way to early in the year to be harvesting wheat or anything else in Europe only certain fruits and veg are harvested at this time of the year, i would expect late august early september as harvesting time

    Possibly a nearby Orc commander ordered them to be driven out into the middle of the fields as decoys... the farmer will be pissed because they probably cost more than Leopards, but what can he do?


    Why didn't he say this?

    He is likely covering his arse because if he blames Russia and then evidence comes out to prove it was Kiev then he will look like an arse... the sort of thing that eventually led to the downfall of Johnson.

    Or maybe the US had not told him what to say yet so he didn't want to commit one way or the other.

    Perhaps when this offensive of Kiev fails the US is going to drop them like a hot rock and he needs to be prepared to do the same at a moments notice... like a real US ally would.

    Stoltenberg is used to being wrong.

    Ha ha ha, look at those stupid Russkie who can't distinguish a tank from a tractor!
    Showing nothing would be much better than that.

    OR showing that when hunting anything is fair game and nothing is safe...

    Is it only me who's getting Kursk vibes from all of this?

    At Kursk the Germans made good headway in the south and drove over multiple defensive lines before being stopped... this is rather more one sided.

    The thermals on ka-52 needs some improvments. They are really bad compare to the modern standards. They can take the one from t-90M much better.

    One of the upgrades for the Ka-52M was upgraded thermals able to spot and track targets in the 15-20km range...

    If those videos are not changed and they have really this on their screens in the ka-52 then it's total shit.

    They said experience in Syria led to the requirement for better thermals in both the Hokum and Havoc.

    US Embassy in Kiev planning the war effort executing Haigs plan for the invasion and occupation of Moscow...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:16 pm

    🇺🇦⚔ 🇷🇺 In the offensive on the Zaporozhye front, AFU used cunning tactics, which should be known on other fronts as well

    ▪For a long time, ОВСУ(отдельный военно-строительный участок ) conducted reconnaissance of the battle near Orekhovo, they lost a lot of equipment there, but tracked the tactics of the defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, including from where reinforcements will approach Russian positions.

    ▪ Today, the AFU tried to cut off Russian first line from reinforcements with the help of remote mining with NATO mines launched by firing MLRS( Multiple Launch Rocket System).

    ▪ The mining was carried out in areas from which Russian armored reinforcements were to approach the front, making it difficult for them to approach the breakthrough site.

    ▪But Russian reinforcements are still coming.

    ▪ Russian fighters continue to repel the offensive, fighting continues for 14 hours.

    @DDgeopolitics

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    Post  Ispan Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:38 pm

    Compiled reports on yesterday fighting and sections  on Russian defensive preparations and the role of aviation

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/06/08/parte-de-guerra-07-06-2023-ofensiva-en-el-sur/


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    Post  ludovicense Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:54 pm

    I think the images are altered...... many times I see the rangefinder of the range being erased so as not to give clues to the enemy of the real attack capabilities.
    In fact, the images from Iraq are much better than these, probably because it lacks the Russian preoccupation.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:04 pm

    🇷🇺⚔🇺🇦Statement by the Russian Defence Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu:

    ◽ Today at 1.30 a.m. in Zaporozhye direction, the enemy made an attempt to break through Russia's defence by forces of the 47th Mechanised Brigade numbering up to 1,500 men and 150 armoured vehicles.

    ◽ The enemy was timely detected by the reconnaissance means and a preventive strike was launched by artillery, aviation, and anti-tank weapons.

    ◽ In all four directions the enemy was stopped and driven back with heavy losses.

    ◽ As a result of two-hour combat the enemy lost 30 tanks, 11 infantry fighting vehicles, up to 350 troops. Thus the specially prepared reserve forces of the enemy for this breakthrough failed to fulfill their mission.

    ◽ Yesterday on  7 June 2023, the enemy lost 945 troops, 33 tanks, 28 infantry fighting vehicles, 38 armoured fighting vehicles, three Krab self-propelled artillery systems, and other armament.

    @DDgeopolitics

    My heart sinks for Prigozhin. Laughing

    The Russian army did not run away - but has repulsed the ukro wehrmacht with greater speed then Wagner!

    Who is the best? Russian Army, Chechens, or Wagner?

    I think the answer is clear, and Shoigu himself reports on the disastrous results for Ukros

    3000+ casualties is not an exaggeration, if they lose 300 a day, we talk 1000+ dead, 2000+ wounded

    Very plausible numbers

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:11 pm

    Shoigu literally stated they lost up to 350 not 3k, far as I am aware the russians never claimed 3000 plus dead, only twitter accounts and anything people from places like twitter say should always be taken with a grain of salt and yesterday was the only first main attack everything else had been very small scale probing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:26 pm

    Well over 3000 , on June 5th alone he said 1600, June 4th 300+ :

    "However, Shoigu’s listed losses for Ukraine for the period were:

    Ukraine's losses from June 4 to June 6 were 3,715 soldiers, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 vehicles, 5 aircraft, 2 helicopters, 48 ​​artillery systems and 53 drones, Mr. Shoigu announced."

    That's 1000 KIA, and 2000+ wounded since June 4th when the first DRG raids broke out using 1:3 KIA to WIA ratio, and started to peak since yesterday and this morning with suicidal charges

    Ukros have lost 33 tanks according to Shoigus report from June 7th, 20+ tanks June 6th, and as of this morning they are still counting

    I don't think they are exaggerated, we Have visual confirmation of 42 lost vehicles from June 6 alone:

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    Prigozhin is a funny guy choosing to fight Shoigu

    There's no comparison between wagner and MOD,

    Wagner is a guerilla assault unit, MOD commands the front

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    Ukro ambitions

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:48 pm

    The enemy is advancing on the Zaporozhye front: the heavy battle on the positions of the heroic company of the 291 regiment does not stop
    The armored fist of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been trying for 12 hours to break through the defenses of our troops near the town of Orekhov in the area of Rabocino-Verbovoye.
    The APU armored groups are attacking the junction between two company strongpoints, having managed to occupy only one height of 178.2 in half a day of fighting
    . Our fighters of the heroic company of the 291 regiment, under strong pressure, retreated from the front line of trenches to reserve positions, the enemy continuously beat these trenches 3 hours before the offensive from all types of weapons.
    The fighters of the company of the 291st regiment, with the support of neighbors from the 70th regiment, the reconnaissance fighters of the 42nd MSD and the 22nd special forces brigade, are holding the next support, this maneuver was planned in advance to contain just such a powerful offensive, the enemy broke his teeth on the first support for many hours and now breaks them on the second.
    According to preliminary data, the APU has already we lost up to 16 tanks and 15 other units of other equipment.
    Our guys are getting help from neighboring plots.
    Heavy fighting does not stop for many hours, artillery from both sides does not stop.
    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/46897

    Judging by some information, the specified Russian company consists almost entirely of mobilized.

    If this information is correct, then we are now witnessing events of the level of defense at the Dubosekovo junction (Panfilov's 28 men).

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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:08 pm

    I hope rotation of troops will be carried out. No point to do last stands. Ukraine still has tons and tons men and equipment to throw at. Up to the mentioned rainy days. 
    Good thing is that UA seem not to have advantage fighting at night

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:21 pm

    events of the level of defense at the Dubosekovo junction (Panfilov's 28 men).
    With the difference that there are enough AT means, air power, long-range artillery, tanks and reserves.

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    Two French hiding from the enemy Very Happy
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    Trained convicts(?) going to the frontlines.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:00 pm

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    Shoigu visiting some storage facility in the WMD.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:00 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 6 Fyg3d110
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:05 pm

    🇺🇦⚔🇷🇺The heroic company of the 291st regiment withstood all the assaults and regained the height and all positions near Orekhovo‼

    ▪In the Rabotino area, after retreating from a height, Russian company of the 291st regiment repelled all enemy attacks and returned all the positions with the support of the soldiers of the 70th regiment, scouts and special forces of the Southern Military District.

    ▪Reinforcements have arrived, the wounded soldiers have been evacuated.

    ▪After that, positional battles continued, AFU hid the surviving tanks in the landing and fired at our positions.

    ▪AFU columns continue to move, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are regrouping, new assaults are expected in the area.

    @DDgeopolitics

    Looks like height 178 was regained

    And rotation was carried out, Ukrainians tried remote mining the approach of reserves, but RU managed to cope with the task

    All in all job well done - Air Defender Europe will start June 12th

    My guess is the bulk of artillery ammunition and Air Force ammo has been saved for the crescendo

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:19 pm

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/67948

    Multiple Leopards smoked, here we have undeniable footage

    Ukraine is crazy to attack with leopard like this so closely grouped together

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    Post  franco Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:36 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    The enemy is advancing on the Zaporozhye front: the heavy battle on the positions of the heroic company of the 291 regiment does not stop
    The armored fist of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been trying for 12 hours to break through the defenses of our troops near the town of Orekhov in the area of Rabocino-Verbovoye.
    The APU armored groups are attacking the junction between two company strongpoints, having managed to occupy only one height of 178.2 in half a day of fighting
    . Our fighters of the heroic company of the 291 regiment, under strong pressure, retreated from the front line of trenches to reserve positions, the enemy continuously beat these trenches 3 hours before the offensive from all types of weapons.
    The fighters of the company of the 291st regiment, with the support of neighbors from the 70th regiment, the reconnaissance fighters of the 42nd MSD and the 22nd special forces brigade, are holding the next support, this maneuver was planned in advance to contain just such a powerful offensive, the enemy broke his teeth on the first support for many hours and now breaks them on the second.
    According to preliminary data, the APU has already we lost up to 16 tanks and 15 other units of other equipment.
    Our guys are getting help from neighboring plots.
    Heavy fighting does not stop for many hours, artillery from both sides does not stop.
    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/46897

    Judging by some information, the specified Russian company consists almost entirely of mobilized.

    If this information is correct, then we are now witnessing events of the level of defense at the Dubosekovo junction (Panfilov's 28 men).

    The 291st Guards Motor Rifle regiment is a regular Russian Army (42nd Guards division) unit home based in Borzoi, Chechnya and specially trained in mountain warfare. They were reported to be fully contractor's prior to the SVO. Unit reportedly also had a fair amount of Chechen fighters enrolled. The 42nd Guards division and the rest of the 58th Combined Arms Army is one of the main units of the Zaporozhye Front.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:56 pm

    I don't think the "Ukraine" even chose to do any of this.
    Its obviously a puppet regime of the Vichy style.
    America's plans were:-
    1)poison Russia-Europe relations.
    2)Destroy Europe and the US's older military hardware.
    3)Replace that with ultra expensive USA crap.
    4)Cause some grief to Russia, even if they know they cannot beat Russia, and that Russia will eventually win.
    5)Intimidate other countries against de-dollarising their economies and stepping away from American vassaldom.

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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:47 pm

    ludovicense wrote:I think the images are altered...... many times I see the rangefinder of the range being erased so as not to give clues to the enemy of the real attack capabilities.
    In fact, the images from Iraq are much better than these, probably because it lacks the Russian preoccupation.
    Sorry for offtopic, but I laugh every time when they have these videos when forget to erase range finder from TV hud, but they censor it in FLIR hud. Also, it’s enough to count ATGM flight time to get a general idea, so it’s not a top secret

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:08 pm

    In some videos time to target was upwards of 18-20 seconds. The 9K121 Vikhr missile they use has a speed of 600m/s which means 18s x 600m = 10,800 m =10.8km

    The range finder is irrelevant if you grab the basic performance from rosboronexport or any source tbh as it's well known

    Those engagement ranges are impressive, and a compressed video does no justice to quality of video

    You cannot compare an apache strafing journalists with 30mm at 1000m to what KA 52 is doing, and then say RU optics suck and complain that they're hitting tractors

    It's worlds apart, US has splashed far more wedding, kids and journalists from closer ranges

    Moving on

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:21 pm

    5)Intimidate other countries against de-dollarising their economies and stepping away from American vassaldom.
    That point clearly failed.


    The thing to remember about the ongoing assaults is that Ukraine is currently fighting to *reach* the Russian fortified belts. All the current combat is taking place several kilometers north of the mapped out echeloned defense. They're currently stuck on the screening line. - Big Serge

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:24 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 6 Fyg3d110
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 6 Scree722
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    Fake photo, there is nothing in any Russian warehouse. As for the tanks blowing up, well that's just to make a fair fight so it doesn't look like Ukraine is winning a one sided affair. Anderson Cooper ennbedded with Chuck Todd said so.

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    hole wrote:
    The thing to remember about the ongoing assaults is that Ukraine is currently fighting to *reach* the Russian fortified belts. All the current combat is taking place several kilometers north of the mapped out echeloned defense. They're currently stuck on the screening line. - Big Serge

    Yep, trenches are south of the current contact lines, though to be fair, the first trenches are pretty well defended by natural barrier like treeline, mines, zeroed rocket and artillery grids, snipers, and so on

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:32 pm

    The fighting takes place in the gray zone in front of the forward deployed defenders.
    Between them and the first fortified line is the next "kill zone" for the russian artillery and VKS.
    Before the inner doomer of some members pops out again because some unit is retreating half
    a kilometer. Very Happy

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    Kalibers and bombers (Tu-95MS) are in the air.

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    Post  Ispan Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:35 pm

    Today's war journal entry covers the fighting on this day from multiple sources and in addition to the narrative some assesments on results

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/06/08/parte-de-guerra-08-06-2023-ofensiva-en-el-sur-dia-5/

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