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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:05 pm

    My guess is that they are simply scaling up.
    They are desperate for anything that can be sold as success.
    The last struggle turned so pathetic, that even the propaganda entries had an issue with how to sell that.
    "Maybe not such a military success, but important message" was the best that our propaganda streams could figure.
    Now we have even better than that - they didn't manage to get to the border. Ripped to pieces by the artillery.
    Just sit and wait they will soon kidnap some poor farmer who will harvest his field on the border.

    What I find the most hilarious, is a fact that those fukin nazi morons can't even achieve a factor of propaganda and psyops effect the wahhabi did back in the 90s.
    Having all the support they get, and being less effective than some Chattab goons - imagine that.
    That is a change - objective change - Russia did in the last 25 years. Unimaginable.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:27 pm

    @tretter50001
    The Russian army is storming Maryinka, pushing through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the flanks and in the ruins in the center
    Ukrainian military analysts also report on the advance of Russian troops in the latest reports.
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    The Ukrainian spy boss, Kirill Budanov, threatens to "physically eliminate" 3 million Crimeans for having the wrong mentality...
    This will recruit 3 millions that will fight any Ukrainian forces with shovels and hammers.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:57 pm

    June 2, 21:57
    Military operation in Ukroshitstan
    An air alert was announced in Kiev and several regions of Ukroshitstan
    Sirens sound in Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr, Kiev, Kirovograd, Cherkasy and Chernigov regions

    MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. An air raid alert has been issued in Kiev and six regions of Ukroshitstan. This is evidenced by the data of the official resource for alerting the population.

    Sirens sound in Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr, Kiev, Kirovograd, Cherkasy and Chernihiv regions. Messages began to arrive at 22:47 Moscow time.



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    Post  Scorpius Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:02 pm

    Before the start of the special military operation, the period of observation of the territory of Ukraine with the help of Russian reconnaissance satellites was about two hours a day. To date, round-the-clock monitoring of the territory of Ukraine has been provided with the help of Russian spacecraft. The picture shows a list of launches of Earth remote sensing satellites, including for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense from 05.02.2022
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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:17 pm

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:42 pm

    Backman wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Give him some space, one does not become a drama queen with no practice, you know.

    Are you too big of a pussy to hit the US embassy in Kiev with a Kinzal ?

    Has nothing to do with being a pussy, and rather not wishing nuclear death upon the world but hey.....you know, I guess if the lives of billions of innocents of civilians mean nothing for you to make a "statement" well sure go ahead.

    Frankly, Russia will never ever ever ever ever ever attack NATO directly, it because that would force wartime economies and direct conflict and russia doesn't have the manpower for that period.

    Attacking NATO would be an absolutely idiotic thing to do, better for the russians if they just keep it how it is, let NATO supply keiv with peacetime economies that aren't meant to build up massive quantities of weapons quickly and simply never pull nato forces into the fight.

    What you suggest is pure asinine moronic actions that if anyone in the Russian command attempted, I hope someone there as the sense to shoot them

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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:23 pm

    Broski wrote:
    Backman wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Give him some space, one does not become a drama queen with no practice, you know.

    Are you too big of a pussy to hit the US embassy in Kiev with a Kinzal ?
    Just curious, what does hitting the US embassy in Kiev achieve for the Russians?

    The country has been run out of the US embassy since 2014. If you really want to throw a wrench into the daily goings of the regime in Kiev, you vaporize the US and British embassies

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:26 pm

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (2 June 2023)

    💥 Last night, the Russian Aerospace Forces carried out a long-range air-based precision-guided strike against enemy air defence assets covering key critical Ukrainian military infrastructure.

    All the assigned targets have been hit.

    ◽ In Kupyansk direction, aviation and artillery of the Zapad Group of Forces have engaged the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) close to Masyutovka and Berestovoye (Kharkov region). One sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been disabled close to Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

    ◽ Up to 70 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, one Grad MLRS vehicle, D-30 and Msta-B howitzers have been neutralised in this direction during the day.

    💥 Moreover, an ammunition depot of the 103rd Territorial Defence Brigade was neutralised close to Kislovka (Kharkov region).

    ◽ In Krasny Liman direction, Operational-Tactical and Army aviation and artillery of the Tsentr Group of Forces engaged the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Kuzmino (Lugansk People's Republic), and Torskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

    💥 Over 60 Ukrainian personnel, two pick-up trucks, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, as well as one Msta-B and two D-20 howitzers have been eliminated.

    ◽ In the Donetsk direction, the most intensive actions of the Yug Group of Forces were conducted close to Avdeevka.

    ◽The Akhmat special forces unit continue their offensive in the Maryinka tactical direction.

    💥 Over 50 Ukrainian troops, four armoured fighting vehicles, two pick-up trucks, three D-20 howitzers, two Grad MLRS, two M777 artillery systems, and one U.S.-made Paladin artillery system have been eliminated in this direction during the day.

    ◽ In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, aviation and artillery of the Vostok Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on AFU units close Vodyanoye and Pavlovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Malaya Tokmachka and Shcherbaki (Zaporozhye region).

    💥 The enemy's losses in this direction during the day amounted to up to 150 Ukrainian troops, two motor vehicles, one Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery system, one D-20 howitzer, and one UAV ground control station.

    ◽ In Kherson direction, over 30 Ukrainian troops, two pick-up trucks, one Msta-B howitzer, and one U.S.-made M777 artillery system have been eliminated during the day.

    💥 Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 96 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, enemy manpower and hardware in 73 areas.

    💥 Russian air defence facilities have shot down one Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Zolotaya Balka (Kherson region).

    💥 Air defence forces shot down eight HIMARS MLRS shells and one HARM anti-radiation missile during the day.

    💥 In addition, 29 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of Novodruzhesk, Kremennaya, Verkhnekamenka (Lugansk People's Republic), Novobakhmutovka, Vladimirovka, Staromayorskoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Sinkovka (Kharkov region), Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region), and Gulyai Pole (Zaporozhye region).

    📊 In total, 431 airplanes and 235 helicopters, 4,436 unmanned aerial vehicles, 424 air defence missile systems, 9,356 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 1,108 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 4,971 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 10,598 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:28 pm

    Seig, you don't know what you're talking about.

    Hypersonic missiles, nuclear powered (and armed) UUVs, Ultra-heavy ICBMs, anti-satellite weapons....

    All weapons systems designed to target and destroy enemy nuclear and command capability in a massive first strike.

    And you think they are bluffing?

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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:33 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Backman wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Give him some space, one does not become a drama queen with no practice, you know.

    Are you too big of a pussy to hit the US embassy in Kiev with a Kinzal ?

    Has nothing to do with being a pussy, and rather not wishing nuclear death upon the world but hey.....you know, I guess if the lives of billions of innocents of civilians mean nothing for you to make a "statement" well sure go ahead.

    Frankly, Russia will never ever ever ever ever ever attack NATO directly, it because that would force wartime economies and direct conflict and russia doesn't have the manpower for that period.

    Attacking NATO would be an absolutely idiotic thing to do, better for the russians if they just keep it how it is, let NATO supply keiv with peacetime economies that aren't meant to build up massive quantities of weapons quickly and simply never pull nato forces into the fight.

    What you suggest is pure asinine moronic actions that if anyone in the Russian command attempted, I hope someone there as the sense to shoot them

    Hitting the US embassy in Kiev is NOT hitting Nato directly. There is a reason why the US was evacuating the embassy the days before Russia was going to attack. They weren't sitting there reclined in their chairs.

    The US is crossing red lines and daring to bring nuclear death on the world (or just making them obsolete depending on how you look at it) so Russia has no choice or will have to choice not to do the same in return. This is the same argument Paul Craig Roberts makes. By not escalating, the US just escalates more and we will get to the same place anyway.

    What would the US do in return if the US embassy was hit ? Hit the Kremlin with drones ? Attack Belgorod ? Blow up the Crimea bridge ? NS2 ?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:59 pm

    To BACKMAN....

    You have been obsessed with the destruction of the American embassy in Kiev for months.... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    If by any chance there is a terrorist attack on the American embassy in Kiev, we will know that Backman is involved...

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:59 am

    ALAMO wrote:Openly speaking, I still wonder what is the stuff that folks who call about arming civilian population are smoking.

    Creating a Volksstuhrm is a sign of nothing else than defeat.

    But of course that Russia has not a single reason to do so. They have supportive structures to deal with the task, and only by carefully watching the latest intrusions we can find out that they are always warmly welcomed.
    Starting from the first one back in Spring, we could hear a massive gunfire just in a background of fukin tiktoks they have recorded.
    Power structures were at their tails minutes after they have crossed the border, and "occupied" a few houses 100m inside Russian territory.
    A HUNDRED meter.
    The one in Belgorod direction, Russkie just allowed them to enter, I guess to maximize the kill ratio knowing with whom they are dealing with. They have teleported to Bandera almost all of them.
    The latest case, they didn't even make it to the border. Artillery ripped their arses wide open.
    Heavy armored units are arriving on the scene as we speak, as it seems to be the most serious try - with a strength of almost more than a mechanized platoon.

    It is again nothing more than panic mongers and multiple trolls activated to carry a regular psyops.

    The last time when this kind of intrusion hit armed civilians, was Beslan. Federal bodies had the same issues with handling hundreds of armed fathers, brothers and grandpas as with the terrorists itself. It took a while to manage the situation, and establish a functioning safety belt around the school. It wasn't easy to push back armed family members, who could do more damage than expected.

    Arming the general civilian population and arming volunteer territorial defense battalions are two different things the former is a state of panic that's exactly what they did in Ukraine and it was a disaster. I see nothing wrong with arming such volunteer forces it's not a sign of weakness but rather sign of pride and wanting to protect their region from Nazi scumbags. It's far better this being organized at government level with government support than civilians taking matters into their own hands and walking around thinking they are John Rambo with a shotgun or hunting rifle. This force they have created of 3,100 should be good enough for any Ukrainian incursion into Russia normally in numbers a 10th of this force. I don't see any panic in Russia they are certainly not desperate. Ukraine on the other hand is in fullscale panic mode.

    Might I add these volunteer forces are more like security forces protecting the region if any serious forces came into Russia they would alert the military. But small incursions can be dealt with small arms, mortars, Rpg, KPV, spg-9, ATGW. I am pretty sure you could train a volunteer force to operate older artillery pieces D-20, T-12 and other 122mm pieces. A good mine field and tank obstacles alone with some drones and that would be sufficient.


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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:05 am



    this MOFO wears a Hitleresque moustache and speaks openly of the Crimean final solution? OMG.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:07 am

    NATO cannot move into a "wartime" economy

    There is no industrial know-how, there is a shortage of motivated and fighting quality people, it's a financial and services based economy with no potential to industrialize in the short term without a major economic reform

    And the population can in no way be mobilized for a war with Russia, EU and US populations are averse to war

    The Russian population on the other hand has a much larger population that can be mobilized to fight, were talking fighting capable men -

    Out of the US, I doubt even 1 million could be mobilized with the culture and mindset there, and in the EU even worse, out of every EU state maybe couple of hundred thousand here and there

    There are riots for race equality, climate change, and transgender diversity

    The west is not prepared to fight Russia in a total war, Ukraine and Poland represent the most capable states with motivated populations, everything west of the vistula, is gay

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:25 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO cannot move into a "wartime" economy

    yes they can but I don't think there will be any non nuclear confrontation between NATO and Russia. There simply wont be time to switch to war economy like in wwII.


    There is no industrial know-how, there is a shortage of motivated and fighting quality people, it's a financial and services based economy with no potential to industrialize in the short term without a major economic reform

    not sure where you are taking your data from? FIRE based economy doesn't mean there are no industrial base or specialists. Are you suggesting that there are no cars, ships, machine tooling  or robots manufactured?  compare to Russian output.  



    And the population can in no way be mobilized for a war with Russia, EU and US populations are averse to war
    not yet but as covid proved this can be overcomed.



    The Russian population on the other hand has a much larger population that can be mobilized to fight, were talking fighting capable men -

    if population will be mobilized then who is going to produce equipment? Mind NATO population si 3-4times size of Russia's one...


    Out of the US, I doubt even 1 million could be mobilized with the culture and mindset there, and in the EU even worse, out of every EU state maybe couple of hundred thousand here and there
    not sure how long have you been living in the USA but do you have any numbers ?

    Unlike you (being too optimistic to see) I believe that NATO  is a serious threat to Russia otherwise why Russian govt were so prudent and cautious with actions? Russian army never said to my knowledge that NATO is no danger.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:36 am

    @Backman

    hmm attacking US embassy could be in Libya but then whos to bomb? as for Kiev's embassy - yes country is run bey US but bombing "edge server" doesn't kill cloud. I mean decision makers on local level perhaps are in Kiev, surely not most important tones and giving "go". That's why bombing intel or AAD bunkers is much better strategy.



    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Frankly, Russia will never ever ever ever ever ever attack NATO directly, it because that would force wartime economies and direct conflict and russia doesn't have the manpower for that period.

    Attacking NATO would be an absolutely idiotic thing to do, better for the Russians if they just keep it how it is, let NATO supply keiv with peacetime economies that aren't meant to build up massive quantities of weapons quickly and simply never pull nato forces into the fight.


    IMHO you are making assumption that NATO / Russia war would be long lasting and conventional. There will be no direct non nuclear war II ww style. Even it tactical nuke would be used then either full scale nuclear disaster or peace talks.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:06 am

    lyle6 wrote:Seig, you don't know what you're talking about.

    Hypersonic missiles, nuclear powered (and armed) UUVs, Ultra-heavy ICBMs, anti-satellite weapons....

    All weapons systems designed to target and destroy enemy nuclear and command capability in a massive first strike.

    And you think they are bluffing?

    You are foolish you are taking out the US nuclear arsenal with a first strike, its funny how delusional people like you are on this subject.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:16 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO cannot move into a "wartime" economy

    There is no industrial know-how, there is a shortage of motivated and fighting quality people, it's a financial and services based economy with no potential to industrialize in the short term without a major economic reform

    And the population can in no way be mobilized for a war with Russia, EU and US populations are averse to war

    The Russian population on the other hand has a much larger population that can be mobilized to fight, were talking fighting capable men -

    Out of the US, I doubt even 1 million could be mobilized with the culture and mindset there, and in the EU even worse, out of every EU state maybe couple of hundred thousand here and there

    There are riots for race equality, climate change, and transgender diversity

    The west is not prepared to fight Russia in a total war, Ukraine and Poland represent the most capable states with motivated populations, everything west of the vistula, is gay

    You are wrong on pretty much everything you said, you live on one side of the world and have no real idea of the US in General, we are in peacetime in wartime facilities would be converted quickly mass personnel would be used to create massive amounts of weaponry we have a larger industrial base then the russians period.

    In ww2 for example, before that it took us around a year to make a transport ship, during wartime we got that shit down to three weeks easy, hardly of the US population of industry right now makes weapons, because there is no need. Now when you create that need, Like Japan did well you will find your assumptions where grossly mistaken and the russians now this full well, they know if they go to war they will be out produced and out numbered massively to the point they cannot fight conventionally and will have to resort to nukes and then hey we all die

    As for population, Oh boy how wrong you are the fact you said not even one million alone shows me, you really have no idea what you are speaking of. Yes you are right there are some who wouldn't fight, but that's the same for russia, now let me educate you on the actual facts. We can mobilize more men to fight than the russians ever can hope to. Actual numbers are 20m total in one year fully equipped for example.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:20 am

    Backman wrote:

    Hitting the US embassy in Kiev is NOT hitting Nato directly. There is a reason why the US was evacuating the embassy the days before Russia was going to attack. They weren't sitting there reclined in their chairs.

    The US is crossing red lines and daring to bring nuclear death on the world (or just making them obsolete depending on how you look at it) so Russia has no choice or will have to choice not to do the same in return.  This is the same argument Paul Craig Roberts makes. By not escalating, the US just escalates more and we will get to the same place anyway.

    What would the US do in return if the US embassy was hit ? Hit the Kremlin with drones ? Attack Belgorod ? Blow up the Crimea bridge ? NS2 ?

    Um buddy, I guess you do not know this but attacks on an Embassy are considered attacks on the country itself and it is legally recognized any attack on an Embassy is a defacto declaration of war. Granted the country attacked can decide what to do from that point but there is a reason countries do not attack each other embassies.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:59 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:You are wrong on pretty much everything you said, you live on one side of the world and have no real idea of the US in General, we are in peacetime in wartime facilities would be converted quickly mass personnel would be used to create massive amounts of weaponry we have a larger industrial base then the russians period.
    Just like they easily converted to make PPE during COVID right. Right?
    US industry is not like it used to be even in the 1980s.

    In ww2 for example, before that it took us around a year to make a transport ship, during wartime we got that shit down to three weeks easy, hardly of the US population of industry right now makes weapons, because there is no need. Now when you create that need, Like Japan did well you will find your assumptions where grossly mistaken and the russians now this full well, they know if they go to war they will be out produced and out numbered massively to the point they cannot fight conventionally and will have to resort to nukes and then hey we all die
    Try reading about the US shipbuilding industry. All the large shipyards in the US are building for the defense industry. Commercial shipbuilding is basically dead. So, no, you cannot vastly expand shipbuilding without building new facilities. If a large war broke out, those facilities would likely be ready after the war was over.

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    Post  dionis Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:23 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    Hitting the US embassy in Kiev is NOT hitting Nato directly. There is a reason why the US was evacuating the embassy the days before Russia was going to attack. They weren't sitting there reclined in their chairs.

    The US is crossing red lines and daring to bring nuclear death on the world (or just making them obsolete depending on how you look at it) so Russia has no choice or will have to choice not to do the same in return.  This is the same argument Paul Craig Roberts makes. By not escalating, the US just escalates more and we will get to the same place anyway.

    What would the US do in return if the US embassy was hit ? Hit the Kremlin with drones ? Attack Belgorod ? Blow up the Crimea bridge ? NS2 ?

    Um buddy, I guess you do not know this but attacks on an Embassy are considered attacks on the country itself and it is legally recognized any attack on an Embassy is a defacto declaration of war. Granted the country attacked can decide what to do from that point but there is a reason countries do not attack each other embassies.

    Broski.. come on. Remember the Chinese embassy in Belgrade? US wasn't nuked by China.. so..

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:17 am

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    A toss release from 18km altitude at mach 2.6 would be interesting, but I doubt existing glide kits could be used at such speeds and at such altitudes...

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    I think they would almost have to pull at least 2 or 3 Gs to assure a clean release at M2.6. But yeah it could have tiny pop out wings and it should fly a loooong way. quite cheap and v accurate. 1.5T would be utterly devastating and the MIG 31 could deliver 6 hammer blows per flight.
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    Post  calripson Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:20 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:NATO cannot move into a "wartime" economy

    There is no industrial know-how, there is a shortage of motivated and fighting quality people, it's a financial and services based economy with no potential to industrialize in the short term without a major economic reform

    And the population can in no way be mobilized for a war with Russia, EU and US populations are averse to war

    The Russian population on the other hand has a much larger population that can be mobilized to fight, were talking fighting capable men -

    Out of the US, I doubt even 1 million could be mobilized with the culture and mindset there, and in the EU even worse, out of every EU state maybe couple of hundred thousand here and there

    There are riots for race equality, climate change, and transgender diversity

    The west is not prepared to fight Russia in a total war, Ukraine and Poland represent the most capable states with motivated populations, everything west of the vistula, is gay

    You are wrong on pretty much everything you said, you live on one side of the world and have no real idea of the US in General, we are in peacetime in wartime facilities would be converted quickly mass personnel would be used to create massive amounts of weaponry we have a larger industrial base then the russians period.

    In ww2 for example, before that it took us around a year to make a transport ship, during wartime we got that shit down to three weeks easy, hardly of the US population of industry right now makes weapons, because there is no need. Now when you create that need, Like Japan did well you will find your assumptions where grossly mistaken and the russians now this full well, they know if they go to war they will be out produced and out numbered massively to the point they cannot fight conventionally and will have to resort to nukes and then hey we all die

    As for population, Oh boy how wrong you are the fact you said not even one million alone shows me, you really have no idea what you are speaking of. Yes you are right there are some who wouldn't fight, but that's the same for russia, now let me educate you on the actual facts. We can mobilize more men to fight than the russians ever can hope to. Actual numbers are 20m total in one year fully equipped for example.

    There is an implicit social contract in contemporary America as demonstrated by the Iraq War: a limited number of casualties can be tolerated (circa 5,000 in the case of the Iraq War) with the complicity of a pro-War media, but not much more than that and not for long. The key to this implicit contract those casualties must be from an "all volunteer" military drawn largely from the underclass. A military draft a la Viet Nam (and even in that case 50 years ago the draft initially exempted college bound men) is out of the question. There would be social revolution and massive protests that would bring the entire country to a screeching halt. So, unless 20 million people volunteer for your imaginary war, it ain't happening. Even today, 35% of Americans polled oppose the limited material support American is providing to Ukraine (they would prefer those resources devoted to domestic issues). What do you think happens when parents suddenly think their sons might be drafted to die in some sh*thole they can't pronounce in a country 90% of them couldn't find on a map? That 35% would become 85% virtually overnight.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:23 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Backman wrote:
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    Um buddy, I guess you do not know this but attacks on an Embassy are considered attacks on the country itself and it is legally recognized any attack on an Embassy is a defacto declaration of war. Granted the country attacked can decide what to do from that point but there is a reason countries do not attack each other embassies.

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    And hitting a country's biggest pipelines isn't a defacto act of war. Its a literal act of war. Nevermind the US military equipment literally rolling across the border and into Russia.

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