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    Post  franco Wed May 24, 2023 9:16 pm

    At present, 7 territorial defense battalions have been created in the Belgorod region in the regions bordering Ukraine. This was stated by the Governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov during a live broadcast on a social network.

    According to the head of the region, there are a total of about 3,000 people in the battalions. The governor stressed that now the authorities of the region are studying the issue of providing the battalions with the necessary weapons.

    The formation of territorial defense detachments began in the fall of 2022. Since November 2022, the Belgorod militia have been training, they have been provided with uniforms and equipment. However, the fighters of the territorial defense battalions did not receive weapons.

    As Gladkov noted, the need for armament of the territorial defense was clearly manifested after the events in the Graivoron district of the Belgorod region, where the Ukrainian formation invaded on May 22. If there were armed units of the territorial defense in the area, they would provide all possible assistance to the border guards, the National Guard and the military in repelling Ukrainian aggression.

    It should be noted that the need to create territorial defense formations is felt today not only in the Belgorod region, but also in all border regions of the Russian Federation, and not only those bordering Ukraine. Such formations could become reliable assistants for the regular army and law enforcement agencies in ensuring the protection of borders, and public order, and in terms of counter-sabotage.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/217767-gubernator-belgorodskoj-oblasti-na-granice-s-ukrainoj-sozdany-7-batalonov-territorialnoj-oborony.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 24, 2023 9:16 pm

    Prigozhin warns of a revolution in Russia and he's absolutely right

    Only it won't be a revolution the way the west wants it,

    It won't be a liberal revolt, it will be a nationalist revolution

    The actions of Deripaska and Potanin are severe and damaging, those assets should be nationalized and sovereign debt should be issued to finance the war

    Russia is in a bind that the average observer still does not comprehend,

    It's not the west which restricts Russia, the enemy is within

    Russia can have USSR scale production, it just needs to issue truly sovereign debt,

    Instead Russia is stuck running a managed economy with a limited budget, all outflows are measured to the last cent - this is why accountants and economists are running the state - Mishustin didn't take for the sake of appearances

    If Russia issued sovereign debt, the navy would roll ships off the line, rockets would be produced like nothing, new construction would fill out the east, and payroll and education would skyrocket and be funded

    Who could borrow to finance the debt? Well Latin America, Africa, and Central Asia, China, and even India

    Right now Lavrov has issues when it comes to the Ruble holdings in the CB of these states - there's a currency imbalance, and the reason? Those states don't hold Rubles - and if you are importing oil and gas, it will only take up so much of the holdings, and that's why an economic deal with India is falling through

    But if Russian debt is issued to those economic centers, especially Riyadh, Dubai, Shanghai, Delhi then Russia can finance its own growth

    Russia can run a sovereign debt and just manage the budget, implement strict laws so that money printing is controlled, the CBR should manage it, and loosen the interest rates

    Every other state in the world does it, including China and India, but Russia should just make sure that it's debt is not held by one state and grow dependent on one state - that is what killed the United States

    Russia does not need to fear economic expansion, it just needs to learn from the mistakes of the US and China






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    Post  Arrow Wed May 24, 2023 9:35 pm

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12446

    Fighter bomber writes that the Patriot shot down 4 aircraft in the last incident.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 24, 2023 9:46 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Russia can have USSR scale production,  it just needs to issue truly sovereign debt, Instead Russia is stuck running a managed economy with a limited budget, all outflows are measured to the last cent - this is why accountants and economists are running the state - Mishustin didn't take for the sake of appearances

    If Russia issued sovereign debt, the navy would roll ships off the line, rockets would be produced like nothing,  new construction would fill out the east,  and payroll and education would skyrocket and be funded

    Sounds wonderful, but how can you do it with effectively full employment? The supply of Ukrainians has dried up.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed May 24, 2023 9:52 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12446

    Fighter bomber writes that the Patriot shot down 4 aircraft in the last incident.

    4 Ukrainian aircraft Laughing

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed May 24, 2023 10:03 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    Arrow wrote:https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12446

    Fighter bomber writes that the Patriot shot down 4 aircraft in the last incident.

    4 Ukrainian aircraft Laughing

    he meant 2xMi8 and 1xSu34 and 1xSu-35

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    Post  Arrow Wed May 24, 2023 10:08 pm

    Yes, sorry, there were two helicopters in it.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 24, 2023 10:10 pm

    franco wrote:At present, 7 territorial defense battalions have been created in the Belgorod region in the regions bordering Ukraine. This was stated by the Governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov during a live broadcast on a social network.

    According to the head of the region, there are a total of about 3,000 people in the battalions. The governor stressed that now the authorities of the region are studying the issue of providing the battalions with the necessary weapons.

    The formation of territorial defense detachments began in the fall of 2022. Since November 2022, the Belgorod militia have been training, they have been provided with uniforms and equipment. However, the fighters of the territorial defense battalions did not receive weapons.

    As Gladkov noted, the need for armament of the territorial defense was clearly manifested after the events in the Graivoron district of the Belgorod region, where the Ukrainian formation invaded on May 22. If there were armed units of the territorial defense in the area, they would provide all possible assistance to the border guards, the National Guard and the military in repelling Ukrainian aggression.

    It should be noted that the need to create territorial defense formations is felt today not only in the Belgorod region, but also in all border regions of the Russian Federation, and not only those bordering Ukraine. Such formations could become reliable assistants for the regular army and law enforcement agencies in ensuring the protection of borders, and public order, and in terms of counter-sabotage.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/217767-gubernator-belgorodskoj-oblasti-na-granice-s-ukrainoj-sozdany-7-batalonov-territorialnoj-oborony.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    3000 men isn't enough for this border. I'm assuming these people will be integrated with Rosgvardia? And or how many men are actually around the border? Because we were told at least 300K are not in Ukraine but at the borders........

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 24, 2023 11:35 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1661122473138454535?t=LMTF2KZsUZr00cqOjjMR0A&s=19

    Prigozhin overestimates the army of Ukraine but makes a good publicity for himself.

    Prigozhin is a retard

    Anyone claiming that Ukrainians are anything other than retards is a retard himself

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 24, 2023 11:40 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Someone in Russian Navy isn't sleeping on the job? Holy shit! affraid




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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 25, 2023 12:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:Sounds wonderful, but how can you do it with effectively full employment? The supply of Ukrainians has dried up.

    John, the central bank should ask the Goznak to print several rounds of trillions of Ruble notes

    Issue bonds to Saudi Arabia, India, China, Latin America, Pakistan

    Release quarterly reports showing production currently at assorted shipyards, aviation factories, Casting plants, engine development, construction, as well as current profitability and asset to liability ratio

    And pour rubles into the MICEX, MOEX, RTS 10 exchanges and balloon the share prices of current firms - making it attractive for partners to invest

    As the central banks of foreign states load up on the ruble, invite them to invest in the markets and watch share prices rocket

    Tax the **** out of Potanin and Deripaska, Roteberg, all of them, and with partner states establish tax guideline to force worldwide reporting of oligarch money - tax them at 40-50% not 15% and **** them they have no choice and nowhere to run

    Take the revenue from those firms, and issue UKAZ - 50% of those funds should be invested into schools to train those without jobs, invest in tooling, expand the industrial base, import workers and educate them , put them to work and pay them high salaries and give them benefits

    Create housing booms in Sochi, Vladivostok, Kazan, Novosibirsk and bring FDI from partner states there to buy real estate

    Provide high salaries and population growth will boom, force the central bank to slash rates as everything is made in Russia, making lending cheap

    MS21 will be mass manufactured by 2030

    Zeus Nuclear Tow, manufactured by 2035

    23900 class, manufactured in the 5s or 10s

    AFRAMAX Tanker manufactured in hundreds

    Absorb all of Ukraine and Belarus, and integrate them into Russia, give people a sort of modern manifest destiny, migrate there and build there, the weather is much better in Dnepropetrovsk than in Magadan

    Next in line for SMO would be Kazakhstan, bring those fuckers to heel - hire them all and house those fucks in the east, drain Kazakhstan dry and let Russians buy 2nd and 3rd homes there and kazakhs either work in Russian industry, not just construction, or serve Russians solyanka in Astana





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    Post  mnztr Thu May 25, 2023 12:33 am

    kvs wrote:It seems the current population of Kiev regime run Ukria is 18 million.   I don't have a link to an article, but the analysis I heard is
    plausible.   The migration before and especially after 2014 and 2022 has been massive.  

    When the EU opened up to Ukraine about half the under 25 left. The stupid ones stayed and now many are dead.

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    Post  Backman Thu May 25, 2023 2:11 am

    They say this was a unmanned water drone. Like f*ck it is. There is a Ukrainian suicide retard steering it. He ducks when the first shots come. But unmanned sounds high tech. So they say its unmanned. This is what I think they will do with F-16's. For the propaganda. All it takes is for a lucky one to get through

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 25, 2023 6:09 am

    The murder of Putin and Prigozhin is the goal of Ukrainian intelligence - Deputy Head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

    That is great, it means killing the nazis in power now becomes self defence...

    Fighter bomber writes that the Patriot shot down 4 aircraft in the last incident.

    Any of them claimed to be Russian?

    he meant 2xMi8 and 1xSu34 and 1xSu-35

    So bullshit.

    Anyone claiming that Ukrainians are anything other than retards is a retard himself

    They are nazis but not totally incompetent and their fuckups are basically covered by an internet cheerleader group numbering in the millions at langley, and of course they have the wealth and power of the west funding them no matter what and supplying them with anything they use up or lose.

    This gives the impression that they are a force to be respected, but when the support wanes they will collapse.

    John, the central bank should ask the Goznak to print several rounds of trillions of Ruble notes

    Why piss away money into debt for a war against the west that will be fought with nukes or not at all?

    They say this was a unmanned water drone. Like f*ck it is. There is a Ukrainian suicide retard steering it. He ducks when the first shots come.

    So the suicide attacks are more obvious...  I suspect those rounds were Kord 12.7mm HMG rounds... most Soviet ships added HMGs after the Falklands war showed even small arms fire can effect incoming bombers and their accuracy with bombs... the more rounds you put up the more it upsets them despite the low threat such rounds are to a supersonic aircraft.

    Clearly to an explosives laden motor boat they are more effective.

    All hand on deck...

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    Post  lyle6 Thu May 25, 2023 6:47 am

    Gunning down somalis in speedboats is a favored pastime in the Russian Navy. No shit these swarm attacks would amount to nothing.

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    Post  mnztr Thu May 25, 2023 6:54 am

    Backman wrote:They say this was a unmanned water drone. Like f*ck it is. There is a Ukrainian suicide retard steering it. He ducks when the first shots come. But unmanned sounds high tech. So they say its unmanned. This is what I think they will do with F-16's. For the propaganda. All it takes is for a lucky one to get through


    Well he is sleeping with the fishes then.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu May 25, 2023 8:18 am

    For Zaluzhniy, who is the leader of the blue-yellow Nazi army of Ukroshitstan..





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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 25, 2023 8:28 am

    GarryB wrote:

    So the suicide attacks are more obvious...  I suspect those rounds were Kord 12.7mm HMG rounds... most Soviet ships added HMGs after the Falklands war showed even small arms fire can effect incoming bombers and their accuracy with bombs... the more rounds you put up the more it upsets them despite the low threat such rounds are to a supersonic aircraft.

    It's better than that. 18280 project ships are armed with four mounts for single barrel 14.5mm MTPU-1 Zhalo.

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    Backman wrote:They say this was a unmanned water drone. Like f*ck it is. There is a Ukrainian suicide retard steering it. He ducks when the first shots come. But unmanned sounds high tech. So they say its unmanned. This is what I think they will do with F-16's. For the propaganda. All it takes is for a lucky one to get through

    You do love conspiracy theories, do you?
    It is the very same drone used previously in Sevastopol. And of course, it is remotely steered.
    The way it sails is evasive maneuvers to avoid a counterfire.
    Good news is, that Russian ships are all full of on deck mounts for a different caliber arms that can be used in anti-sabotage, and as lyle6 pointed out, hunting pirates was a common pleasure crews enjoyed.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 25, 2023 9:16 am

    Backman wrote:They say this was a unmanned water drone. Like f*ck it is. There is a Ukrainian suicide retard steering it. He ducks when the first shots come. But unmanned sounds high tech. So they say its unmanned. This is what I think they will do with F-16's. For the propaganda. All it takes is for a lucky one to get through


    Where's the driver?
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    Post  nomadski Thu May 25, 2023 9:59 am

    Fast attack Boat almost succeeded . Too close to ship , about 250 meters away . Heavier calibre and volume of fire may be needed , but Boat  can be armoured or made unsinkable against small rounds or frag ( I won't go into this here ) and they can use semi-submersible or submergible craft . Nets will stop both , whether of the ordinary type or explosive type . But what to do in open water , ships at Sea ? The easier solution is to protect ships with other fast attack Boats , both at Sea and in port . While static , hydrophones pick up sound of approaching Boat , a few kilometres out at Sea , and give chase and close in . Use RPG to blow up the Boat , whether armoured or unsinkable ! About border raids . Best give each adult civilian  an AK and RPG to keep at home and take to work , with their packed lunch !

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 25, 2023 10:40 am

    Fast attack Boat almost succeeded . Too close to ship , about 250 meters away .

    Hard to say how far away the drone was when it exploded because the view was not taken from the front of the boat... or near the machine gun that shot it.

    Heavier calibre and volume of fire may be needed , but Boat can be armoured or made unsinkable against small rounds or frag ( I won't go into this here ) and they can use semi-submersible or submergible craft .

    Perhaps why, as Alamo states they use the 14.5mm HMG... very good armour piercing ammo performance.

    The level of armour needed to protect it from such weapons would make it much bigger and heavier and slower... and not safe from the 30mm gatlings fitted to most Soviet and Russian ships, and even their smallest Corvettes often have 57mm or 76mm or 100mm guns with 130mm guns standard on frigates...

    This ship in question looks like this:

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    Most ports have nets protecting from subs and torpedos, but the best you can manage is to keep a good look out with radar and electrooptical devices and have sailors train regularly on their small arms and HMG hitting targets on the water.

    Small arms can be surprisingly effective most of the time and ship mounted heavier weapons are useful too... the naval TOR and naval Pantsir can also hit surface targets if required... plus disposable rocket launchers are handy too.

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    Post  Mir Thu May 25, 2023 11:07 am

    Very high value ship that so maybe a couple of additional Kords would be a good idea.

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    Post  Hole Thu May 25, 2023 12:10 pm

    German General Andreas Marlow has been appointed to train Ukrainians but after realising who he is actually dealing w/,
    he contacted the prosecutor's office & the German MOD to launch an investigation on Ukrainian war crimes against Russian POV's & civilians.
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    During his work with the Ukrainian soldiers he pointed out in that they trained in Germany repeatedly bragged and showed videos of brutal
    tortures and executions of Russian prisoners of war, confirming Ukrainian involvement in war crimes.
    Although dozens of German officers saw these videos, they were ordered not to disclose what they saw in oder to avoid ruining Ukraine's "reputation".
    Many German officers do not want to lose their official posts— they do not make the facts of the Ukrainian war crimes public.
    Ukrainian soldiers according to the report have showed great interest in the archives of the Nazi SS torture programs & repeatedly asked their
    German trainees to be familiarized with the archives of the "special methods" used against the Soviet captives during the WW2.
    Apparently Marlow is one of the few generals in the west who will not step over his honor and will not accept the policy of concealing war crimes even
    if it will cost him his position or rank.
    He is convinced that the torture facts must be investigated, and the officers should be allowed to speak up on what they saw during their work with
    the Ukrainians.
    Even though Marlow submitted a formal application to Duscha Gmel - the federal prosecutor at the Federal Court of Justice, and a copy to the German
    Ministry of Defense back in February of 2023, he still did not receive any official response from the authorities.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 25, 2023 12:14 pm

    They often train for shooting things in the water and most sailors have small arms issued including rifles and machine guns and also rocket launchers.

    Deck mounted HMGs are standard... and most effective.

    Even though Marlow submitted a formal application to Duscha Gmel - the federal prosecutor at the Federal Court of Justice, and a copy to the German
    Ministry of Defense back in February of 2023, he still did not receive any official response from the authorities.

    No surprise there... Federal court of justice obviously full of nazis too.

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