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    Post  sundoesntrise Mon May 22, 2023 11:26 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:💥💥💥 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Local media report an explosion in the FSB building in Belgorod. 💥💥💥

    Nothing to see here folks,

    The cheerleaders have taken over the chat - nothing to see here

    This is nothing special. Explosions in Belgorod (region) have become a near everyday occurance - it just hardly gets reported anymore. Courtesy of not enforcing any red lines on basically any hot issue.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 22, 2023 11:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Victory speech? It's one shithole that should have been leveled last year

    Apology speech would be more appropriate under these circumstances

    Nope, Bakhmut served its role, to serve as an endless grinder. If it would have been leveled last year then the Ukrainian army would be in considerably better shape by now.

    A good victory. Deserves a speech.

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    Post  Backman Mon May 22, 2023 11:29 pm

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon May 22, 2023 11:42 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:💥💥💥 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Local media report an explosion in the FSB building in Belgorod. 💥💥💥

    Nothing to see here folks,

    The cheerleaders have taken over the chat - nothing to see here

    probably the same group behind today's "Pentagon explosion " lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 22, 2023 11:43 pm

    Isos wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Man what a goldmine. Must be enough Thompsons there to equip an army. Wonder why the USSR didn't do just that with the beginning of the Cold War, and give them all to one client state or another? Smile

    Lot of spare parts and shitty old equipement.

    Even the africans won't want this. I guess the best is to burn because the probability they kill civilians is way higher than being used in a conventional war.

    Bullshit, never let a good weapon go to waste Cool
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    Post  mnztr Mon May 22, 2023 11:46 pm

    Russia will be watching the NATO exercises like a hawk and you can bet Kaliningrad Iskanders will be on alert. It would be funny if Russia forms up a large air group and moves over Belarus in force towards Poland just to keep NATO on its toes. I am sure a couple of subs will also be on alert with nukes.

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    Post  kvs Tue May 23, 2023 12:08 am

    The push to freeze the conflict indicates that Washington is not ready to go all in.   So an attack by NATzO using the cover of a training
    exercise is not plausible.   Any notion that such a cover would surprise Russia is also simply BS.   Mercouris interprets the F-16s as a
    threat by the US to force Russia to negotiate on terms it prefers.   Well, the US can threaten, but it cannot deliver on the threats.
    Russia is not going to "Minsk" away anything this time around.   There will not be any freezing allowing NATzO to rearm and rebuild the
    Kiev regime forces.   The only viable option for Russia is full regime change in Ukria.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 23, 2023 12:15 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:There are definitely no superhumans in any of the Russian military cadres - more like potbellied overdue retirees that are drunk on potato vodka most of the time.

    The 'results' speak for themselves. Some of their finest crafts: losing Kharkov province due to lack of any defensive prepations yet donating about 600+ vehicles to the Ukros, human waving Vuhledar for 22 times without any noteworthy progress (yet losing 100s-1000s of men in the progress), selling massive amounts of gear, fuel and ammo on the black market due to rampant corruption (these generals got fined 160USD) and so on.

    You need to lay off the Kremlin propaganda for a while. Your copes have been getting tiresome lately.

    Reason why the results speak for themselves is because you're making them up, playing on lack of info or estimates to create fantasies

    They had a skeleton crew in the Kharkov region
    No-one donated anywhere near 600+ vehicles, not even the Ukrs have come up with such a number
    Never saw any video from Vugledar that suggested that anymore than a company-sized force attempted to advance towards it. And certainly not 22 times
    No-one has been selling gear, fuel and ammo on the black market

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 23, 2023 12:20 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:They're clearing Kozinka, these guys have MRAPS and 100 men in this small village

    Some of internal ministry guys have been shot and wounded

    But just now an alert was declared for all emergency personnel to be armed as military

    This would have been avoided with a buffer zone

    The politicians cannot have their cake and eat it too, you want a good economy? And you want to fight a war on the cheap ? Well something will have to give

    As more Russians will get irritated with this, the onus is on the cheerleaders to face the facts - you can't call residents of Kozinka doomers when they're being attacked by these nazis and the government refuses to take action or take it seriously

    Are the residents of Gravyoron doomers? Gora Podol?

    Cheer leaders need to think about where this will lead and how the Russian people are going to view Moscows inaction here

    And now, genius, count how many more Russian soldiers will die from the same raids or drone bombings or full-on attacks if they attempt to hold hostile territory in a buffer region across the length of the entire border with the Ukraine.
    That's a terrible idea. Just evacuate the closest villages to the border and increase military patrols. Create a buffer zone on the Russian side, which is far more manageable and safe for all personnel involved. It's not rocket-science.

    sundoesntrise wrote:100 guys with a couple of vehicles managed to make more territorial gains in 3 hours than the Russian Army barring Wagner did in the last 12 months.

    Facts.

    For the 100th time, advances are measured in body counts not territory. Ukrainians are doing a poor job. These suicide-troops they sent will get killed. In pursuit of more dumb PR wins and demoralization attempts.

    There's a reason why the Russian army doesn't act this way and just start seizing random villages in the Sumy region, Chernigov or Kharkov; despite the opportunity to do so if they wished. Namely - that they're not amateurs.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Cue cheerleaders coming to say it's all good, and nothing happened, it's no big deal

    I think these morons were arguing some pages back with you about the nuclear doctrine being valid in case of violation of territorial integrity

    Well the territorial integrity went out the window this morning lmfao

    Fucking joke

    Quit being a doomer and man up

    It's war. All your ideas about buffer territories are unworkable. So accept the fact that the enemy can raid border settlements or use drones to blow up oil depots or whatever. They are willing to sacrifice many of their own people just to accomplish it. And that yes people will die on our side too. But the only real damage it does is provoking doomers like you into a predictable panic mode, that's in fact what the enemy is counting on, but you don't have the wisdom to realize it, in your outrage over some ephemeral 'lost prestige'

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:It is three very small villages so hardly huge gains, while this isn't the end of the world if true a force of hundreds managed to slip THAT FAR past your lines, undetected and went straight in and started shooting.

    if it was a small group of say 30 guys, I could understand that. It's easy for a small group of people to slip past long as they know what they are doing.

    But that many? no the russians will regain the turf of course and to me this is clearly a PR stunt meant to make the fall of bakhmut be forgotten BUT the fact is was even allowed to occur is utterly disgraceful and reveals a whole host of massive incompetence in the Russian military if hundreds of men plus mraps just got past you.

    AND if any cheerleader here says "Part of the plan" Then your telling me the Russians willingly let their own people get iced for their plan?

    What does it reveal?

    Only that the Russian military is not stupid enough to have a defensive line following every contour of its borders and instead has its defensive line on the border a bit further back and straightened out, giving it more depth. Which means that naturally villages will be left out in front of it. No incompetence involved, just design. And then you have rapid reaction forces which react to enemy incursions, such as what's happening now.

    But you and Arkhangelsk and others who are more indoctrinated by Hollywood movies and hollow measures of prestige as opposed to straightforward military calculations see that as a problem. I don't.

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    Mir wrote:Good god I didn't think for a moment the rodents would turn out for the "Battle of Belgarod" - but yeh here they are cheering on a couple of deranged Nazi fools! Laughing Laughing Laughing

    I wouldn't mock if I where you again, I don't know if the claims are true but if they are, Russia literally got invaded, and civilians got gunned down on their own home turf well past the front line. Thats hardly something to underscore or downplay. I also don't see anyone "Cheering" I see people rightfully criticizing the russians if the claims are true.

    Fanboy or not if this is true, its perfectly reasonable to criticize the sheer incompetence of allowing such a thing to occur and it should be only a total dumbass would downplay it

    How are they supposed to prevent it?

    Again, are you advocating building a trench line following the exact contour of the border?
    What a stupid idea dunno
    Or perhaps a garden fence like the one Finland has erected on its border with Russia?

    Only incompetence I see perhaps is not evacuating these settlements earlier when the danger of raids first became apparent.


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    Post  Scorpius Tue May 23, 2023 12:43 am


    https://dzen.ru/video/watch/646b75ec7bd61e597f7d040a

    a private collection of military trophies - chevrons taken from the corpses of murdered neo-Nazis of various nationalities.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue May 23, 2023 1:06 am

    Russian MoD has barely taken a village since the collapses 7 months ago on the Kherson and Kharkov fronts.

    As far as I know, the Russian formation responsible for taking Artyomovsk and Soledar is under the command of the Russian MoD and had huge support from other units also controlled by the Russian MoD. So, unless one believes that the Wagner Group acts alone and without any help or coordination with the Russian command, which is not the case, the Russian MoD done much more than "barely taken a village" in these last 7 months.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 23, 2023 1:13 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    How are they supposed to prevent it?



    Only incompetence I see perhaps is not evacuating these settlements earlier when the danger of raids first became apparent.


    I would suggest Russia declare a no mans land 2- 5KM from the border and that anyone on the Ukraine side will be attacked. Put some air dropped minefields down, recruit locals to operate drone patrols. Put a chain or MLRS for rapid response firepower. Drop leaflets on the Ukraine side to warn the locals

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 1:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    Reason why the results speak for themselves is because you're making them up, playing on lack of info or estimates to create fantasies

    They had a skeleton crew in the Kharkov region
    No-one donated anywhere near 600+ vehicles, not even the Ukrs have come up with such a number
    Never saw any video from Vugledar that suggested that anymore than a company-sized force attempted to advance towards it. And certainly not 22 times
    No-one has been selling gear, fuel and ammo on the black market

    If anyone shouldn't have the nerve about 'making stuff up' it's you, Chief CopeLord and full time Kremlin Propagandist.

    One by one.

    * 360 tonnes of kerosene aviation fuel was stolen in Irkutsk by 6 airforce officer, leading to critical fuel shortages on the front in the early days of the 'SMO'. Each of them got off with a 627 USD fine or less.

    https://tayga.info/181236

    *Ukraine claims to have captured more than 1500 vehicles in the Kharkov offensive - 600+ which have been visually confirmed (at least 131 tanks). So again you're talking out of your pooper with your claims that 'Ukrainians don't claim this'.

    https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-capture-russian-ammo-weapons-vehicles-in-kharkiv-oblast/

    *Obviously the statement that the Russian 55th tried to storm Vuhledar 22 times is a metaphor. Nevertheless they drove over open terrain without air support or arty cover at least 5-6 times each time suffering horrendous losses whilst unable to gain any ground or achieve any losses amongst the enemy.

    There are frigging videos of it. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Your cope mechanisms are getting old.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 1:44 am

    Belisarius wrote:

    As far as I know, the Russian formation responsible for taking Artyomovsk and Soledar is under the command of the Russian MoD and had huge support from other units also controlled by the Russian MoD. So, unless one believes that the Wagner Group acts alone and without any help or coordination with the Russian command, which is not the case, the Russian MoD done much more than "barely taken a village" in these last 7 months.

    Obviously they are a separate entity and you're just playing dumb. PMC Wagner is registered as a catering service. That's the whole point. Wagner can go places and do things the regular military can't due to its ambigue legal status.

    And the Russian MoD is even to blame for messing up the supply chain issues - and we're not talking complex logistics halfway across the globe in infrastructure lacking shitholes here.

    Good grief has the level of discourse nosedived.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 23, 2023 1:45 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Reason why the results speak for themselves is because you're making them up, playing on lack of info or estimates to create fantasies

    They had a skeleton crew in the Kharkov region
    No-one donated anywhere near 600+ vehicles, not even the Ukrs have come up with such a number
    Never saw any video from Vugledar that suggested that anymore than a company-sized force attempted to advance towards it. And certainly not 22 times
    No-one has been selling gear, fuel and ammo on the black market

    If anyone shouldn't have the nerve about 'making stuff up' it's you, Chief CopeLord and full time Kremlin Propagandist.

    One by one.

    * 360 tonnes of kerosene aviation fuel was stolen in Irkutsk by 6 airforce officer, leading to critical fuel shortages on the front in the early days of the 'SMO'. Each of them got off with a 627 USD fine or less.

    https://tayga.info/181236

    *Ukraine claims to have captured more than 1500 vehicles in the Kharkov offensive - 600+ which have been visually confirmed (at least 131 tanks). So again you're talking out of your pooper with your claims that 'Ukrainians don't claim this'.

    https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-capture-russian-ammo-weapons-vehicles-in-kharkiv-oblast/

    *Obviously the statement that the Russian 55th tried to storm Vuhledar 22 times is a metaphor. Nevertheless they drove over open terrain without air support or arty cover at least 5-6 times each time suffering horrendous losses whilst unable to gain any ground or achieve any losses amongst the enemy.

    There are frigging videos of it. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Your cope mechanisms are getting old.

    even if all true the Russians can screw up about 10x more then Ukraine and still win.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 23, 2023 1:57 am

    Did I just see a retard I blocked post a link to the Kiev Independent for use in an argument ? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43 - Page 11 1f601

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 1:57 am

    mnztr wrote:

    even if all true the Russians can screw up about 10x more then Ukraine and still win.

    You are stuck in your video simulator. I suggest you take off the Virtual Reality goggles and lay off the Kremlin dope for away. It's literally F up after F up at this point.

    Your boy Putin is probably gonna take the bait on any Minsk lll proposals - man's got a record on getting played on diplomatic stage (remember Istanbul). Thinking he part of the cool guys again meanwhile Ukraine gets transformed into Europe's numba wan military (this time for real).

    There is no plan, it's just ad hoc and never ending incompetence.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 1:59 am

    Backman wrote:Did I just see a retard I blocked post a link to the Kiev Independent for use in an argument ?  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43 - Page 11 1f601

    You didn't block anyone. It's just mental coping of a mentally disturbed individual that's somehow trying to convey confidence through bullying .

    The link was to show that FP is talking shit on his claims that 'Ukrainians don't claim 600+ captured vehicles in Kharkov' BS-erry.

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    Post  PhSt Tue May 23, 2023 2:16 am

    SonOfaBitch wrote:
    You are stuck in your video simulator. I suggest you take off the Virtual Reality goggles and lay off the Kremlin dope for away. It's literally F up after F up at this point.

    Pro NATzO shills like this SOAB have a habit of describing things opposite of reality. Now that Ukraine (under the command of its NATzO patrons) have committed itself to launching a Terrorist attack on the Russian border, Propaganda Bots like this SOAB are utilized to spread disinformation.

    Russia needs to continue hitting and killing more NATzO DOGS and once all of Ukraine is destroyed the next to be exterminated are the Baltic and Finnish NATzO Dogs.

    One user suggested that this site is under watch by the Russian MoD, if so, I suggest that Russian paramilitary units help track down the IP and location of NATzO PIG Propagandists like SOAB, collect data on all of them, and then assign special Wagner ops overseas to kill them and their families. Killing NATzO propagandists will serve two purpose: 1) This will remind NATzO Propagandist PIGS that NATzO won't be there to help them, 2) Voicing support for NATzO or spreading narratives that are counter to Russia's interests will put their lives at a high risk.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue May 23, 2023 2:40 am

    Nevertheless they drove over open terrain without air support or arty cover at least 5-6 times each time suffering horrendous losses whilst unable to gain any ground or achieve any losses amongst the enemy.

    This is Ugledar in late January/early February:
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    If the Russians advanced without air support or artillery cover, then who bombed Ugledar to shit?
    And if you believe that the Russians leaving this city like this cause no loss among the enemy then the only Chief CopeLord here is you.

    suffering horrendous losses

    Allegations made that the 155th Marine Brigade was destroyed or suffered
    horrific losses are nothing more than Ukrainian drivel and propaganda as the 155th Marine Brigade is still actively fighting in this sector and a steady trickle of combat footage continues to emerge. Interestingly, this brigade was also supposedly destroyed in November in an allegedly failed attempt to capture Pavlivka, and in the end neither the destruction of the brigade nor the failure of the attack turned out to be true. Oh well.

    Wagner can go places and do things the regular military can't due to its ambigue legal status.

    In Africa and the Middle East yes, because they can act as unofficial armed assets supporting the Russian government's geopolitical interests around the world, but in Ukraine they act under the Russian command of the MoD, if you think Wagner can go around and doing they want you're just playing dumb.

    And the Russian MoD is even to blame for messing up the supply chain issues

    Proven false multiple times by facts on the ground, Wagner's bombardment against the AFU in Artyomovsk never ceased or diminished, often Prigozhin's complaints about the lack of ammunition were followed by videos of even more intense bombing against the AFU, Is there evidence of the use of Lancets and T-90Ms in Artyomovsk, am I supposed to believe that the Russian MoD is sabotaging the Wagner munitions supply at the same time as supplying them with their best MBTs and kamikaze drones?

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 2:53 am

    Belisarius wrote:
    Nevertheless they drove over open terrain without air support or arty cover at least 5-6 times each time suffering horrendous losses whilst unable to gain any ground or achieve any losses amongst the enemy.

    This is Ugledar in late January/early February:
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    If the Russians advanced without air support or artillery cover, then who bombed Ugledar to shit?
    And if you believe that the Russians leaving this city like this cause no loss among the enemy then the only Chief CopeLord here is you.

    suffering horrendous losses

    Allegations made that the 155th Marine Brigade was destroyed or suffered
    horrific losses are nothing more than Ukrainian drivel and propaganda as the 155th Marine Brigade is still actively fighting in this sector and a steady trickle of combat footage continues to emerge. Interestingly, this brigade was also supposedly destroyed in November in an allegedly failed attempt to capture Pavlivka, and in the end neither the destruction of the brigade nor the failure of the attack turned out to be true. Oh well.

    Wagner can go places and do things the regular military can't due to its ambigue legal status.

    In Africa and the Middle East yes, because they can act as unofficial armed assets supporting the Russian government's geopolitical interests around the world, but in Ukraine they act under the Russian command of the MoD, if you think Wagner can go around and doing they want you're just playing dumb.

    And the Russian MoD is even to blame for messing up the supply chain issues

    Proven false multiple times by facts on the ground, Wagner's bombardment against the AFU in Artyomovsk never ceased or diminished, often Prigozhin's complaints about the lack of ammunition were followed by videos of even more intense bombing against the AFU, Is there evidence of the use of Lancets and T-90Ms in Artyomovsk, am I supposed to believe that the Russian MoD is sabotaging the Wagner munitions supply at the same time as supplying them with their best MBTs and kamikaze drones?

    Leveling fixed targets is not the same as providing CAS support, you absolute tard. Proof is in the pudding as they got picked off one by one without scoring any hits themselves. 20+ vehicles lost in one failed attack IIRC. The videos are out there Champ.

    Bytheway, the Russian units on the flanks of Bakhmut that ran away after making contact with the Ukrainians stated the same: lack of ammo, lack of shells. Will be interesting to see how you're gonna cope your way out of this.

    Probably just move the goalposts as you've been doing repeatedly now.

    The 155th got decimated at Hostomel Airport, was withdrawn and replenished, then participated in the suicidal attack on Pavliivka in which Russia lost 600+ men, got reinforced, then did the human wave things around Vuhledar and is now probably somewhere in the ropes hiding from embarrassment.

    Walk of shame.

    As for the rest of your (((semantics))), read what I wrote you dimwit. Being under the nominal command is something very different from being part of the same structure.

    My God you are dumb.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue May 23, 2023 2:58 am

    PhSt wrote:
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    You are stuck in your video simulator. I suggest you take off the Virtual Reality goggles and lay off the Kremlin dope for away. It's literally F up after F up at this point.

    Pro NATzO shills like this SOAB have a habit of describing things opposite of reality. Now that Ukraine (under the command of its NATzO patrons) have committed itself to launching a Terrorist attack on the Russian border, Propaganda Bots like this SOAB are utilized to spread disinformation.

    Russia needs to continue hitting and killing more NATzO DOGS and once all of Ukraine is destroyed the next to be exterminated are the Baltic and Finnish NATzO Dogs.

    One user suggested that this site is under watch by the Russian MoD, if so, I suggest that Russian paramilitary units help track down the IP and location of NATzO PIG Propagandists like SOAB, collect data on all of them, and then assign special Wagner ops overseas to kill them and their families. Killing NATzO propagandists will serve two purpose: 1) This will remind NATzO Propagandist PIGS that NATzO won't be there to help them, 2) Voicing support for NATzO or spreading narratives that are counter to Russia's interests will put their lives at a high risk.

    I suggest Russia focuses on keeping Russian citizens on Russian territory safe first. That will be more than enough for this Plywood Army already.

    Also nobody is buying the Russian Tough Guy act anymore. Can't ungay Putin's cuckery on a wide range of issues, just like you yourself can't ungay that dildo you put in your bakla pooper every night.

    PS. Wagner agrees with me. Incoming seeth inevitable 😁

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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 23, 2023 3:14 am

    Funny how sundoesntshine appears in these specific cases to give his expert opinion. Dear God.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 23, 2023 3:19 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:
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    even if all true the Russians can screw up about 10x more then Ukraine and still win.

    You are stuck in your video simulator. I suggest you take off the Virtual Reality goggles and lay off the Kremlin dope for away. It's literally F up after F up at this point.

    Your boy Putin is probably gonna take the bait on any Minsk lll proposals - man's got a record on getting played on diplomatic stage (remember Istanbul). Thinking he part of the cool guys again meanwhile Ukraine gets transformed into Europe's numba wan military (this time for real).

    There is no plan, it's just ad hoc and never ending incompetence.

    Dude, all you need to do is look at the morsels being supplied to Ukraine. Why are there not HUNDREDS of M1 tanks being supplied. Why not F-15s? Why not Euro fighters? Why not Rafale fighters? NATO does not want Ukraine to win. They just want to prolong the agony. When Russia wanted Vietnam to win they sent the most advanced integrated SAM network on the planet and over 8000 missiles!! Even the USAF admitted that Hanoi was the most heavily defended airspace on the planet. and Kiev? they can't even stop flying lawn mowers lol.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue May 23, 2023 3:25 am

    sepheronx wrote:Funny how sundoesntshine appears in these specific cases to give his expert opinion. Dear God.

    There is a reason he is on my ignore list and Ark and a couple others are not. That reason of course is that ark wants Russia to win and wants Putin to stop pussy footing around. I can sympathize with his viewpoint. Sun and miss low def and a couple others are western trolls and cheerleaders and I am here because I get plenty of their point of view on American corporate state controlled media. I have no sympathy for them as they want to reduce Russian morale.

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