Arkanghelsk wrote:They're clearing Kozinka, these guys have MRAPS and 100 men in this small village
Some of internal ministry guys have been shot and wounded
But just now an alert was declared for all emergency personnel to be armed as military
This would have been avoided with a buffer zone
The politicians cannot have their cake and eat it too, you want a good economy? And you want to fight a war on the cheap ? Well something will have to give
As more Russians will get irritated with this, the onus is on the cheerleaders to face the facts - you can't call residents of Kozinka doomers when they're being attacked by these nazis and the government refuses to take action or take it seriously
Are the residents of Gravyoron doomers? Gora Podol?
Cheer leaders need to think about where this will lead and how the Russian people are going to view Moscows inaction here
And now, genius, count how many more Russian soldiers will die from the same raids or drone bombings or full-on attacks if they attempt to hold hostile territory in a buffer region across the length of the entire border with the Ukraine.
That's a terrible idea. Just evacuate the closest villages to the border and increase military patrols. Create a buffer zone on the Russian side, which is far more manageable and safe for all personnel involved. It's not rocket-science.
sundoesntrise wrote:100 guys with a couple of vehicles managed to make more territorial gains in 3 hours than the Russian Army barring Wagner did in the last 12 months.
Facts.
For the 100th time, advances are measured in body counts not territory. Ukrainians are doing a poor job. These suicide-troops they sent will get killed. In pursuit of more dumb PR wins and demoralization attempts.
There's a reason why the Russian army doesn't act this way and just start seizing random villages in the Sumy region, Chernigov or Kharkov; despite the opportunity to do so if they wished. Namely - that they're not amateurs.
Arkanghelsk wrote:Cue cheerleaders coming to say it's all good, and nothing happened, it's no big deal
I think these morons were arguing some pages back with you about the nuclear doctrine being valid in case of violation of territorial integrity
Well the territorial integrity went out the window this morning lmfao
Fucking joke
Quit being a doomer and man up
It's war. All your ideas about buffer territories are unworkable. So accept the fact that the enemy can raid border settlements or use drones to blow up oil depots or whatever. They are willing to sacrifice many of their own people just to accomplish it. And that yes people will die on our side too. But the only real damage it does is provoking doomers like you into a predictable panic mode, that's in fact what the enemy is counting on, but you don't have the wisdom to realize it, in your outrage over some ephemeral 'lost prestige'
SeigSoloyvov wrote:It is three very small villages so hardly huge gains, while this isn't the end of the world if true a force of hundreds managed to slip THAT FAR past your lines, undetected and went straight in and started shooting.
if it was a small group of say 30 guys, I could understand that. It's easy for a small group of people to slip past long as they know what they are doing.
But that many? no the russians will regain the turf of course and to me this is clearly a PR stunt meant to make the fall of bakhmut be forgotten BUT the fact is was even allowed to occur is utterly disgraceful and reveals a whole host of massive incompetence in the Russian military if hundreds of men plus mraps just got past you.
AND if any cheerleader here says "Part of the plan" Then your telling me the Russians willingly let their own people get iced for their plan?
What does it reveal?
Only that the Russian military is not stupid enough to have a defensive line following every contour of its borders and instead has its defensive line on the border a bit further back and straightened out, giving it more depth. Which means that naturally villages will be left out in front of it. No incompetence involved, just design. And then you have rapid reaction forces which react to enemy incursions, such as what's happening now.
But you and Arkhangelsk and others who are more indoctrinated by Hollywood movies and hollow measures of prestige as opposed to straightforward military calculations see that as a problem. I don't.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
I wouldn't mock if I where you again, I don't know if the claims are true but if they are, Russia literally got invaded, and civilians got gunned down on their own home turf well past the front line. Thats hardly something to underscore or downplay. I also don't see anyone "Cheering" I see people rightfully criticizing the russians if the claims are true.
Fanboy or not if this is true, its perfectly reasonable to criticize the sheer incompetence of allowing such a thing to occur and it should be only a total dumbass would downplay it
How are they supposed to prevent it?
Again, are you advocating building a trench line following the exact contour of the border?
What a stupid idea
Or perhaps a garden fence like the one Finland has erected on its border with Russia?
Only incompetence I see perhaps is not evacuating these settlements earlier when the danger of raids first became apparent.
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