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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 29, 2023 8:25 pm

    То ISOS....

    I think there is no error in the translation on that link you posted and that it is a literal translation of what the respective Ukroshitstanian said.
    He said what is written in the translation, that is, that the vehicles are shit, that they are not suitable for the soil of Ukroshitstan, that they often break down, that they cannot get out of the mud, and that they slip, but that they are PRAISED... Laughing

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    Post  Hole Mon May 29, 2023 9:04 pm

    According to Turkish sources, another Patriot battery was destroyed as a result of rocket attacks on Kyiv.
    Three Patriot batteries were sent to Ukraine, two of which were destroyed within a few weeks.
    Russia detects a Patriot battery and launches standard cruise missiles with electronic and satellite intelligence.
    Then a hypersonic missile is launched towards the battery. When the battery commander sees that the missile
    is more advanced than they can destroy, he starts firing all at least 32 missiles in the battery indiscriminately,
    and the battery is destroyed immediately afterwards. Thus, today there was probably a loss of at least another
    $ 2 billion, and the previous losses amounted to $ 5 billion.

    Twitter source: vicktop55

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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43 - Page 25 Scree709
    THAT´s a bomb crater. Very Happy


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    Post  Isos Mon May 29, 2023 9:14 pm

    Finally. Those misses hit pretty hard and precisely the patriot system few weeks ago. Satelitte confirms.


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    Post  Hole Mon May 29, 2023 9:16 pm

    Waiting for new sat pics... angry

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 29, 2023 9:16 pm

    Hole wrote:According to Turkish sources, another Patriot battery was destroyed as a result of rocket attacks on Kyiv.
    Three Patriot batteries were sent to Ukraine, two of which were destroyed within a few weeks.
    Russia detects a Patriot battery and launches standard cruise missiles with electronic and satellite intelligence.
    Then a hypersonic missile is launched towards the battery. When the battery commander sees that the missile
    is more advanced than they can destroy, he starts firing all at least 32 missiles in the battery indiscriminately,
    and the battery is destroyed immediately afterwards. Thus, today there was probably a loss of at least another
    $ 2 billion, and the previous losses amounted to $ 5 billion.

    Twitter source: vicktop55

    To be fair...
    Again it turned out how childish all Wunderwaffe stories are, by all sides.
    This Patriot would do just fine, being a part of Russian echeloned AD system.
    Covered by a lower tier of AD means, with deployer ECM, decoys and close range fire coverage of Pantsir/Tor/Tunguska.
    If taken out of a whole system, S-300 or S-400 wouldn't do much better.
    Maybe the difference is 360 deg. coverage of the entire system, while it is split in half for mostly filled Patriots and limited to the 120 deg. radar cone...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 29, 2023 9:31 pm

    I don't think Patriot is at the level of S-300PM2, S-300V4 (tracked platform) and S-400.
    On the other hand, I agree that it is necessary to have an echeloned system and that one system cannot do everything.

    And to add something else..
    Although the H47M2 "Kinzhal" is an evolution (probably) of the 9M723 missile from the "Iskander" system, I think that even the Kinzhal is a "toy" compared to the 3M22 "Zirkon".

    I think Russia's best decision was to invest in 3K55 "Bastion-P" (P-mobile variant), 9K720 "Iskander" and S-400.
    Those 3 systems are exactly the systems in which a huge amount of money was invested to re-arm the Russian army with those systems.
    Now the "ladder" has been raised to a higher level and has been extended to the H-47M2 "Kinzhal", 3M22 "Zirkon" and also to the S-500 "Prometheus".
    For me, the biggest enigma remains the A-235 system.



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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 29, 2023 10:02 pm


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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 29, 2023 10:18 pm

    It seems that the Patriot fared worse than the HIMARS, Baryaktar, M777, etc.....
    It seems to me that the F16 will repeat the same fate. I think the most proven western aircraft is BY FAR the good old "bucket" better known as the F-15. This plane was also called out and used against disproportionately weaker opponents, but it is not to be underestimated.
    Everything else... nope...
    This is quite possibly America's most successful fighter platform since WW2...

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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 29, 2023 10:18 pm

    Hole wrote:
    THAT´s a bomb crater. Very Happy

    This is the video of the area

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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 29, 2023 10:28 pm

    If true the Russians have definitely changed strategy. NATO personnel must be wondering if anywhere is now safe.

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    Former deputy in Ukraine Rada Ilya Kiva reports that today a Russian missile attacked the headquarters of the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense in Kyiv

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    Post  Isos Mon May 29, 2023 10:35 pm

    F-16 is smaller and has a smaller rcs than f-15. If the f-16 can't escape S-400 and Mig-31 neither can the f-15.

    F-15 is overestimated because it fought some rusty mig-23 in Syria and even then it was destroyed but they hide the losses.

    Rafale with Aesa and meteor is the best western aircraft. The f3 and f4 standard gives it unmatched capabilities in air to ground. Thales recco optical pods are the best.

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    Post  Isos Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:If true the Russians have definitely changed strategy. NATO personnel must be wondering if anywhere is now safe.

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    After something like 10 terrorist attacks in Russia, it was time they target them.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 29, 2023 10:56 pm

    OK, Isos, OK...
    Just let what you write about be proven so that we can claim that the Rafale is the best.
    France and the military don't go together for me and I'm always skeptical about that.
    French military technology...NO THANKS..
    This is my opinion, it is not an insult, and I do not deviate from it.

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    Post  Belisarius Mon May 29, 2023 11:43 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Rafale with Aesa and meteor is the best western aircraft.

    Typhoon tranche 3 and Gripen E/F also has AESA and Meteor...
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    Post  Isos Mon May 29, 2023 11:50 pm

    Belisarius wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Rafale with Aesa and meteor is the best western aircraft.

    Typhoon tranche 3 and Gripen E/F also has AESA and Meteor...

    Typhoon air to ground, recco and EW capabilities are almost inexistant.

    Overall, Rafale is much better than them. It was proved in the Swiss leaks from their tender. Rafale was better than those two in every field.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue May 30, 2023 12:45 am

    Isos wrote:
    Typhoon air to ground, recco and EW capabilities are almost inexistant.

    Overall, Rafale is much better than them. It was proved in the Swiss leaks from their tender. Rafale was better than those two in every field.

    The typhoon has the Litening pod and EW Praetorian DASS, the Gripen has the EW Arexis and external sensor pods for reconnaissance and target designation, such as Rafael's Litening targeting pod, Saab's Modular Reconnaissance Pod System, or Thales Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod.
    The Swiss leaks are from 2008/2009 and don't count for anything against Typhoon Trenche 3 and Gripen E/F, you're just masturbating for the Rafale again.

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    Post  PhSt Tue May 30, 2023 1:07 am





    Is this FOABs?
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    Post  kvs Tue May 30, 2023 1:20 am

    No, it is a large conventional bomb. Fuel-air bombs have a more dispersed detonation which produces less crater volume but more
    surface damage and the oxygen depletion that is effective against soldiers.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 30, 2023 1:26 am

    ALAMO wrote:


    Again it turned out how childish all Wunderwaffe stories are, by all sides.
    ..

    Get with the program. The Americans are only capable of talking ridiculous childish nonsense about Russian systems. So the only option is to do the same in return.

    The truth is, American or Russian military designs are like talking about a Chevy truck vs a Ford. Or a John Deer vs a New Holland tractor. They are close in capability on most things. They make marginally different design compromises in some areas. Which result in marginally better performance in certain situations. And both have their specialties.

    That being said,  the US MIC now is the stereotypical bloated corporation that cant seem to get anything right anymore. And some of their newer stuff really just doesn't work. Like those Littoral ships.

    Air defense is one of Russia's specialties


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    Post  kvs Tue May 30, 2023 1:33 am

    This is not true for AD systems. The USSR and Russia has had a clear lead due to focus in this field. The US and its vassals have been
    obsessed with air power. But for some reason the only superiority in terms of air power is just volume of aircraft and not the aircraft
    and associated system designs.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 30, 2023 1:56 am

    This is a good visual. But do we know if this is true? Are they launching Gerans from aircraft?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 30, 2023 2:55 am

    Why would they need a RATO pack to air-drop a Geran from a Su-34? Sounds like nonsense to me. dunno

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    Post  Broski Tue May 30, 2023 3:42 am

    LOL dorito drones aren't deployed from Tu-22's.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 30, 2023 5:11 am


    But lets keep some things real. If you have to ask the Pythonesque "what America did for us" on an internet forum, maybe its time to have a nap or a cup of coffee.

    To be fair they didn't invent anything for anyone else.... all their inventions they invented for themselves.

    I am a kiwi and we often hear about how the Americans saved us from the Japanese during WWII... but the problem I had with that claim is that they actually did **** all to help us before Japan openly attacked them at Pearl Harbour on Dec 7th 1941.

    The US didn't act to save us, they saved themselves and we benefited...

    6mil sounds right, they have about 21m left so doing the math the six is fairly accurate. So they won't be running out of men anytime soon

    Funny what you cherry pick from an article... did you ignore the first line?

    The human reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are on the verge of exhaustion.

    If taken out of a whole system, S-300 or S-400 wouldn't do much better.

    I understand what you are trying to say and in theory you are correct but the S-300 and S-400 systems or the new S-350 are rather more mobile and would be able to up and leave rather quicker than Patriot in any version.

    S-300V is tracked and fully cross country mobile.

    Maybe the difference is 360 deg. coverage of the entire system, while it is split in half for mostly filled Patriots and limited to the 120 deg. radar cone...

    And the special low altitude radars mounted on masts for the Russian systems to spot low flying threats too...


    Is this FOABs?

    FOAB is thermobaric and probably would not leave a crater at all. This was probably a 1.5 ton bomb, they have a range of different types and versions including gliding ones...

    This is a good visual. But do we know if this is true? Are they launching Gerans from aircraft?

    Computer generated... and Gerans have enormous range so no need for air launch...

    That video is ridiculous... an air launched drone would not need rocket assisted takeoff assistance, and they don't know how to spell Sukhoi?

    Gerans have long range and launching them from ground vehicles is cheaper and simpler than launching them from aircraft.

    And the Tu-22M3 is not a long range strategic aircraft, it is a medium range theatre bomber and missile carrier.

    If it was a long range strategic bomber it would not need refuelling support attacking targets in Syria.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 30, 2023 5:39 am

    PhSt wrote:
    Is this FOABs?

    I doubt thats a single bomb. More likely a ammo store was hit.

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