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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43
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That´s why he is still alive.
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PapaDragon wrote: Hahahahaha
Judging from this and a number of previous posts you clearly don't specialize in history - as a teacher.
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OrkishAmerican
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Right now, not a single airfield in Ukraine can field F-16s. Too poor quality. Second, Ukrainians often hide their jets among destroyed and mothballed jets, can not do that with F-16s. So, airfields for F-16 will be known and constantly targeted.
-- GEROMAN -- time will tell -
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I think the F16 training for Ukranian pilots has started a couple of months ago already.
ALL "announced" weapons for Ukraine were also already in at the moment the announcement was made.
Everything else makes zero sense.
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Now the question is from which airbase will the F16 operate and what will be the answer of Russia
range is 600 km with 4 x 500 kg bombs on hi lo hi flight pattern which means < 500 km on low flying pattern
that means the airbase must be relatively close to the front
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Another question how the F-16 can survive to S-400 AD and VLRAAM R-37M launched by Russian Fighters?
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The F16 will not be the only plane delivered the french intend to deliver mirage 2000
you will surely have planes working on the wild weasel doctrine to suppress the Russian air defense
OrkishAmerican
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Can not do "Wild Weasel" with Russians jets with better radars, flying high altitude CAP armed with longer range weapons, and AWACS support. Impact of F-16 could not be distinguished from impact of Mig-29s. F-16s are given just to prevent carpet bombings by RuAF in 6 months.
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Two Ukrainian pilots tested on F-16 simulators in the US to assess their readiness.
They showed above-average performance, handling non-standard situations and flying in challenging conditions.
The training course for Ukrainian pilots may be shortened to 4 months.
According to Reuters, the readiness to transfer F-16 fighters to Ukraine has been expressed by Portugal, the United Kingdom, France, the United States, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Belgium.
According to Defence News estimates, Kyiv may receive up to 70 F-16 combat aircraft.
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They can´t fly SEAD missions with missiles that are shot down easily by russian AD systems.Can not do "Wild Weasel"
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Considering that at one time the F-16 was rightfully considered as the best dog fighter in the world. Sad that it has to end its career this way.
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- Post n°107
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat May 20, 2023 5:07 pm
-- GEROMAN -- time will tell - -- hat retweetet
@AZgeopolitics
Prigozhin to Zelensky: "Today, when you see Biden, kiss him on the top of his head and say hello to him from me"
Peoples of the world, look at this city, if you allow a Maidan, people like Wagner must come to save you from fascism and death. But the rescue will be expensive, very expensive, is that what you want? Then the CIA/MI6/BND send fascists to hell before they do this to you, throw you into wars and destroy your country.
-- hat retweetet@AZgeopolitics
Prigozhin to Zelensky: "Today, when you see Biden, kiss him on the top of his head and say hello to him from me"Peoples of the world, look at this city, if you allow a Maidan, people like Wagner must come to save you from fascism and death. But the rescue will be expensive, very expensive, is that what you want? Then the CIA/MI6/BND send fascists to hell before they do this to you, throw you into wars and destroy your country.
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But sadly the people of the Donbass never EVER wanted the evil Maidan Fascist American coup.
Its a pity Washington and Lvov aren't being bombed to smithereens instead of the cities of decent people in the Donbass.
Its a pity Washington and Lvov aren't being bombed to smithereens instead of the cities of decent people in the Donbass.
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They don't have anywhere to base those F-16's unless they will be based at nearby airfields in NATO countries. Which will make it very dangerous for them.
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sepheronx wrote:They don't have anywhere to base those F-16's unless they will be based at nearby airfields in NATO countries. Which will make it very dangerous for them.
Those F-16s will be blown out of the sky by Russian AD systems. The inanity in the propaganda-addled NATzO west to yap that these jets will be flying
as if Russia is a collection of mud huts is in another dimension. Russia with its superior jets has been limiting their use due to Kiev regime's ancient
S-300 systems (and Buk, etc.) but somehow Kiev will be "winning" with some inferior jets (even if flown by well trained NATzO pilots) in the face of
best in the world S-400 systems.
Russia can take out the Ukr F-16s using AA missiles as well.
Yet more failed propaganda talking points bilking NATzO taxpayers.
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I still think that the US will gather up some discharged x F-16 pilots who are down on their life, promise them big bucks and send them on suicidal propaganda missions with these F-16's. Think of all the pilots in Nato, Israel, US ++. There has to be some stragglers out there.
All it takes is one or two lucky suicidal run to make a good propaganda story. Then Twitter and Youtube will load up with videos declaring how much better the F-16 is to the Flanker.
"This was just with 6 F-16's ! Imagine if we sent 100!"
Just like how himars was this amazing game changer even though Ukraine had rocket artillery before and Russia has it too plus a bunch of other things that are way better than it.
Ho hum
All it takes is one or two lucky suicidal run to make a good propaganda story. Then Twitter and Youtube will load up with videos declaring how much better the F-16 is to the Flanker.
"This was just with 6 F-16's ! Imagine if we sent 100!"
Just like how himars was this amazing game changer even though Ukraine had rocket artillery before and Russia has it too plus a bunch of other things that are way better than it.
Ho hum
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those Dutch F-16s were removed from frontline duties for a reason as they were 4 decades old and the airframes and wings have stress fractures and cracks, if Russian air defence systems don't shoot them down then it will be the planes themselves that will fall apart in combat
and if BAKHMUT has been liberated, it makes me want to go out and kill a couple of million nazis and there organ grinders
and if BAKHMUT has been liberated, it makes me want to go out and kill a couple of million nazis and there organ grinders
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I was gonna said it but you were faster.
Pretty sure they will get old f-16A that spent last few years sitting on a parking.
Pretty sure they will get old f-16A that spent last few years sitting on a parking.
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Here's my latest report on the battle of Bakhmut and the losses, it's a recapitulation of previous entries, while I was writing it Cassad published another entry on total casualties in the war so far that confirm my estimates
https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/05/20/la-batalla-por-artemovsk-iii-final-y-resultados/
there are also a number of previous entries worth checking, some are of course just reposts of interesting opinion pieces, but a friend Spanish artillery officer contributes every now and then interesting pieces. In the past months I have been unable to write much, so I had to fill it up somehow. The comments sections is also worth reading, there's another friend, a Spanish infantry officer that does tactical analysis.
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they are gathering up the planes for Ukraine right now.
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Mir wrote:PapaDragon wrote: Hahahahaha
Judging from this and a number of previous posts you clearly don't specialize in history - as a teacher.
Judging from all his post, he specializes in perfectly nothing aside from barking.
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marcellogo wrote:GarryB wrote:Who thinks this fake use of WP in Bakhmut is a fake so they can justify dropping incendiaries on Russia?
No, it's not a fake, is an outright lie.
OnBakhmutArtemjovsk they used thermite incendiary ammunitions, the ones that drops gently down from the sky.
Although they contain a minimum amount of WP on one end to ignite themselves , all the rest of the cottons stripe is magnesium+ iron dust, that made a fire that cannot be quenched off in any way but whose smoke is not toxic on contact nor damage the lungs in any way.
WP shell, no more used, instead are completely filled with it and explode on terrain.
Does it make any difference if you are burned alive by thermite, WP or Napalm? Would you have a personal preference?
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Voenkor announced the critical condition of the Commander-in-Chief of the AFU.
Valery Zaluzhny is in the main military clinical hospital in Kiev.
“The struggle for his life continues there, including with the participation of foreign specialists,” reporter Andrey Rudenko .
From Geroman:
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
🟥45th Brigade
🟥43rd Brigade
🟥26th Brigade
🟫28th Brigade
🟫62nd Brigade
🟫63rd Brigade
🟫53rd Brigade
🟫60th Brigade
🟫24th Brigade
🟫57th Brigade
🟫30th Brigade
🟪Advance Rubizh Brigade
🟪Advance Azov Brigade
🟪Advance Uragan Brigade
🟪Advance Spartan Brigade
🟨109th Brigade
🟨116th Brigade
🟨119th Brigade
🟨241st Brigade
🟦93rd Brigade
🟦77th Brigade
🟦46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
🟩61st Brigade of Jaegers
🟧Special Forces and Spetsnaz
Regiments:
🟪5th Assault Regiment
🟧8th Regiment of Special Forces
🟧Kraken
Battalions:
🟨122nd Battalion
🟨68th Battalion
🟪214th OPFOR Battalion
🟩49th Rifle Battalion
🟩15th Mountain Assault Battalion
🟧Omega
Border Guard Donetsk
🟫8th Regiment of the UDAR
UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka
WASP
Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion
Valery Zaluzhny is in the main military clinical hospital in Kiev.
“The struggle for his life continues there, including with the participation of foreign specialists,” reporter Andrey Rudenko .
From Geroman:
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
🟥45th Brigade
🟥43rd Brigade
🟥26th Brigade
🟫28th Brigade
🟫62nd Brigade
🟫63rd Brigade
🟫53rd Brigade
🟫60th Brigade
🟫24th Brigade
🟫57th Brigade
🟫30th Brigade
🟪Advance Rubizh Brigade
🟪Advance Azov Brigade
🟪Advance Uragan Brigade
🟪Advance Spartan Brigade
🟨109th Brigade
🟨116th Brigade
🟨119th Brigade
🟨241st Brigade
🟦93rd Brigade
🟦77th Brigade
🟦46th Brigade
4th Brigade17th Brigade🟩61st Brigade of Jaegers
🟧Special Forces and Spetsnaz
Regiments:
🟪5th Assault Regiment
🟧8th Regiment of Special Forces
🟧Kraken
Battalions:
🟨122nd Battalion
🟨68th Battalion
🟪214th OPFOR Battalion
🟩49th Rifle Battalion
🟩15th Mountain Assault Battalion
🟧Omega
Border Guard Donetsk🟫8th Regiment of the UDAR
UAVs:
ShershenAdamKarlsenTerraSkalaMadyarKhartiaKepSenekaWASPLegions:
Dudaev BattalionGeorgian LegionMansur BattalionShamil BattalionGonorNormandy LegionGarryB, franco, ahmedfire, flamming_python, d_taddei2, par far, Big_Gazza and like this post
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More about losses:
In the battles near Bakhmut and in the battle for Bakhmut, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than fifty thousand killed and missing and one hundred and twenty thousand wounded. More than a hundred tanks, at least two hundred guns and MLRS and more than a thousand armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles and other vehicles were destroyed here. Three shock corps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed near Bakhmut and on its streets "to zero" and this is the same strategic defeat of Ukraine as the fall of Mariupol.
From Victop55
In the battles near Bakhmut and in the battle for Bakhmut, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost more than fifty thousand killed and missing and one hundred and twenty thousand wounded. More than a hundred tanks, at least two hundred guns and MLRS and more than a thousand armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles and other vehicles were destroyed here. Three shock corps of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed near Bakhmut and on its streets "to zero" and this is the same strategic defeat of Ukraine as the fall of Mariupol.
From Victop55
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat May 20, 2023 9:46 pm
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Current situation west of Bakhmut:
#UkrainianArmy continue withdrawal towards Ivanivske town. Meanwhile, #RussianArmy began combing operations in Khromove, which was vacated by Ukrainians, which retreated towards the trench area north of it.
@Suriyakmaps
Current situation west of Bakhmut:
#UkrainianArmy continue withdrawal towards Ivanivske town. Meanwhile, #RussianArmy began combing operations in Khromove, which was vacated by Ukrainians, which retreated towards the trench area north of it.
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Going down this fall.
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Next after Bakhmut: on the outskirts of Seversk, the 123rd brigade destroys the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 05.20.2023.
Today, May 20, the 123rd brigade began to destroy the nationalists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with drones on the outskirts of Seversk.
This is reported by military correspondents of the publication "Russian Spring" and offer a video of how the fighters of the Lugansk People's Republic of the "Southern" group of troops with the help of a shock quadrocopter eliminated at least ten Bandera of the Kiev regime in the Seversk direction.
The city of Seversk itself is located in close proximity to Bakhmut (Artemovsk) and, in all likelihood, is the next target for Russian troops.
https://military.pravda.ru/news/1836423-sledujuschii_posle_bakhmuta/
Today, May 20, the 123rd brigade began to destroy the nationalists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with drones on the outskirts of Seversk.
This is reported by military correspondents of the publication "Russian Spring" and offer a video of how the fighters of the Lugansk People's Republic of the "Southern" group of troops with the help of a shock quadrocopter eliminated at least ten Bandera of the Kiev regime in the Seversk direction.
The city of Seversk itself is located in close proximity to Bakhmut (Artemovsk) and, in all likelihood, is the next target for Russian troops.
https://military.pravda.ru/news/1836423-sledujuschii_posle_bakhmuta/
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- Post n°124
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43
ahmedfire Sat May 20, 2023 10:42 pm
Well done guys and RIP for the Russian warriors who died on bakhmut , let's remember them forever .
Prigozhin is a bad ass , he made a bad day for the G7 idiots
Prigozhin is a bad ass , he made a bad day for the G7 idiots
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- Post n°125
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #43
GunshipDemocracy Sun May 21, 2023 12:11 am
The International Criminal Court (“ICC” or the “Court”) is aware and profoundly concerned about unwarranted and unjustified coercive measures reportedly taken against ICC officials, notably the Prosecutor of the Court and the judges of Pre-Trial Chamber II by the authorities of the Russian Federation.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-statement-reports-coercive-measures-against-officials
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