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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
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Anti-Drone team
ZZ Top is on tour again.
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kvs wrote:Prigozhin is back to whining about munitions. This clown needs to be retired. Even if not deliberately he is now working for NATzO and Kiev propaganda
departments.
Knowing him, he doesn’t care about how it looks for western propaganda. I am sure he is allowed to speak. He is talking like this because it taunts Ukrainians and they send reinforcements. Roads of death are created by artillery. In reality, there is no shortage
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So why did Ukraine launch HIMARS again to try and kill it's own captured soldiers ? It at least made some sense earlier in the war. The chubs they hit this time , were getting ready to be exchanged.
Even for the satanic CIA who just wants bloodshed, this doesn't make sense.
Even for the satanic CIA who just wants bloodshed, this doesn't make sense.
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GEROMAN -- time will tell - 
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Report:
Assault on Belogorovka through the eyes of fighters
On April 28, after sudden attacks with thermobaric ammunition on the advanced positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the outskirts of Belogorovka, the Akhmat detachment, consisting of 22 people, was able to quietly run several hundred meters to a water pumping station on the outskirts of the village.
The detachment of the National Guard protecting the factory building was destroyed within an hour. Hell has begun. Ukrainian artillery shamelessly poured shells on the building of the plant and the only approach to it. The guys were completely cut off from retreat or help.
Assault groups of the 77th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were used. The Akhmat detachment repulsed four assaults in the first few days, including thanks to the artillery of our South group. The enemy has a whole company disheveled, according to the testimony of the prisoners.
After the failed assaults of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they ironed the plant with artillery and tanks for five days.
On the eighth day, our guys were able to rotate. The fight continues. Of the 22 fighters, 17 survived. All with various injuries. Apti Alaudinov personally met them, the castle of the 2nd AK.
All nominated for state awards
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--@GeromanAT
Report:
Assault on Belogorovka through the eyes of fighters
On April 28, after sudden attacks with thermobaric ammunition on the advanced positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the outskirts of Belogorovka, the Akhmat detachment, consisting of 22 people, was able to quietly run several hundred meters to a water pumping station on the outskirts of the village.
The detachment of the National Guard protecting the factory building was destroyed within an hour. Hell has begun. Ukrainian artillery shamelessly poured shells on the building of the plant and the only approach to it. The guys were completely cut off from retreat or help.
Assault groups of the 77th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were used. The Akhmat detachment repulsed four assaults in the first few days, including thanks to the artillery of our South group. The enemy has a whole company disheveled, according to the testimony of the prisoners.
After the failed assaults of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they ironed the plant with artillery and tanks for five days.
On the eighth day, our guys were able to rotate. The fight continues. Of the 22 fighters, 17 survived. All with various injuries. Apti Alaudinov personally met them, the castle of the 2nd AK.
All nominated for state awards
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Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 9 May 2023
#Russia's Border Areas:
In #Belgorod region, Air Defence crews intercepted an air target in the town of #Grayvoron. According to preliminary reports, there were no casualties or damage.
Ukrainian formations shelled the village of #Spodaryushino, several residential buildings were damaged, no casualties among civilians.
In Shebekino, artillery shells damaged eight residential buildings and several cars, no civilians were injured.
#Starobelsk (#Svatovo) Direction:
In the #Kupyansk sector, the situation has not changed significantly. Artillery duels continue along the line of contact.
To strengthen the defensive positions, the Ukrainian command moved additional forces to #Dvurechnaya.
In the #Liman sector, both sides are fighting positional battles in the Serebryanskoye forestry and near Balka Zhuravka. Russian units are striking at the enemy's strongholds.
#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction:
On the outskirts of #Bakhmut, Ukrainian formations continue to suffer heavy losses in equipment and manpower as they attempt to retreat from the town. The retreating Ukrainian army units are subjected to point artillery strikes.
Heavy fighting continues for control of Liberators of Donbass Street, which is the last stronghold of the AFU on the western outskirts of the city.
The enemy fired four HIMARS rockets at the detention center of Ukrainian POWs. According to preliminary data, none of the prisoners were killed, several people were injured.
The Associated Press France news agency reported the death of correspondent Arman Soldin near Chasov Yar as a result of shelling of AFU positions.
#Donetsk Direction:
Near #Novobakhmutovka, positional fighting continues west of the H-20 highway. The RF Armed Forces are cracking the defences of Ukrainian formations, preventing the transfer of reserves to the area with artillery fire.
The Ukrainian terrorists once again fired indiscriminately at populated areas of #Donetsk agglomeration. In #Ozeryanovka, a school building and several residential buildings were damaged, one person was wounded.
#Zaporozhye Direction:
In #Melitopol district, the AFU terrorists shelled the village of #Plodorodnoye with HIMARS. One woman was killed and a girl was taken to hospital with wounds.
#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:
On the right bank of the #Dnieper River in #Kherson and its suburbs, Russian artillery struck enemy concentrations of personnel and equipment.
In turn, the Ukrainian terrorist formations shelled civilian infrastructure and residential buildings in #Kakhovka and #Vasylyevka.
As a result of the massive strike on Novaya Kakhovka, several transformers were damaged and the city was de-energized.
Political and other Events:
The #US announced another package of military assistance for Ukrainian formations in the amount of $ 1.2 billion, which included 155-mm shells, satellite reconnaissance and additional air defense batteries.
European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen arrived in #Kiev for a visit.
According to the Washington Post, the #UK is preparing to transfer Storm Shadow air-launched missiles capable of hitting targets at a range of up to 300 kilometres.
Amendments to Law No. 3048-IX have come into force, according to which banks now have the right to block the accounts of Ukrainians for non-payment of debts again. In total, more than one million bank accounts are at risk of being blocked.
Ukrainian Deputy Trade and Agriculture Minister Taras Kachka said that the government is ready to completely ban all imports from #Moldova in response to a ban on imports of Ukrainian grain by the Moldovan side.
https://t.me/sitreports/8414
#Russia's Border Areas: In #Belgorod region, Air Defence crews intercepted an air target in the town of #Grayvoron. According to preliminary reports, there were no casualties or damage. Ukrainian formations shelled the village of #Spodaryushino, several residential buildings were damaged, no casualties among civilians. In Shebekino, artillery shells damaged eight residential buildings and several cars, no civilians were injured.#Starobelsk (#Svatovo) Direction: In the #Kupyansk sector, the situation has not changed significantly. Artillery duels continue along the line of contact. To strengthen the defensive positions, the Ukrainian command moved additional forces to #Dvurechnaya. In the #Liman sector, both sides are fighting positional battles in the Serebryanskoye forestry and near Balka Zhuravka. Russian units are striking at the enemy's strongholds.#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction: On the outskirts of #Bakhmut, Ukrainian formations continue to suffer heavy losses in equipment and manpower as they attempt to retreat from the town. The retreating Ukrainian army units are subjected to point artillery strikes. Heavy fighting continues for control of Liberators of Donbass Street, which is the last stronghold of the AFU on the western outskirts of the city. The enemy fired four HIMARS rockets at the detention center of Ukrainian POWs. According to preliminary data, none of the prisoners were killed, several people were injured. The Associated Press France news agency reported the death of correspondent Arman Soldin near Chasov Yar as a result of shelling of AFU positions.#Donetsk Direction: Near #Novobakhmutovka, positional fighting continues west of the H-20 highway. The RF Armed Forces are cracking the defences of Ukrainian formations, preventing the transfer of reserves to the area with artillery fire. The Ukrainian terrorists once again fired indiscriminately at populated areas of #Donetsk agglomeration. In #Ozeryanovka, a school building and several residential buildings were damaged, one person was wounded.#Zaporozhye Direction: In #Melitopol district, the AFU terrorists shelled the village of #Plodorodnoye with HIMARS. One woman was killed and a girl was taken to hospital with wounds.#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront: On the right bank of the #Dnieper River in #Kherson and its suburbs, Russian artillery struck enemy concentrations of personnel and equipment. In turn, the Ukrainian terrorist formations shelled civilian infrastructure and residential buildings in #Kakhovka and #Vasylyevka. As a result of the massive strike on Novaya Kakhovka, several transformers were damaged and the city was de-energized.Political and other Events:The #US announced another package of military assistance for Ukrainian formations in the amount of $ 1.2 billion, which included 155-mm shells, satellite reconnaissance and additional air defense batteries. European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen arrived in #Kiev for a visit. According to the Washington Post, the #UK is preparing to transfer Storm Shadow air-launched missiles capable of hitting targets at a range of up to 300 kilometres. Amendments to Law No. 3048-IX have come into force, according to which banks now have the right to block the accounts of Ukrainians for non-payment of debts again. In total, more than one million bank accounts are at risk of being blocked. Ukrainian Deputy Trade and Agriculture Minister Taras Kachka said that the government is ready to completely ban all imports from #Moldova in response to a ban on imports of Ukrainian grain by the Moldovan side.https://t.me/sitreports/8414
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Anyone got any confirmation of this?
Interestingly enough, Wikipedia has updated that general Syrsky (commands Bakhmut sector of Ukraine forces) has died on May 10th in Bakhmut.
"Oleksandr Stanislavovych Syrskyi (Ukrainian: Олександр Станіславович Сирський; born 26 July 1965, died 10 May 2023) was a Ukrainian military officer."
https://twitter.com/tommikv/status/1656258886607724544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Syrskyi
Also, this rumour
Rumours that Zaluzhny was killed in one of the Russian strikes:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/85338
Regarding the rumors about the death of Zaluzhny.
1. Yes, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation covered one of the headquarters with high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. This is official information. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not report the death of specific officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they knew for sure that one of them was Zaluzhny, they would certainly have been informed.
2. Who exactly was there - is unknown, in the public field there is no reliable information about the participants in the meeting. The fact that the Ukrainian generals periodically visit the Donbass is not a secret. In addition to Zaluzhny, Syrky or the same Tantsyura periodically flashed there.
3. Ukraine denies the death of Zaluzhny, but due to the fact that he has not been in the public field for a long time, this gives rise to rumors that he could have suffered from such a blow, especially if he was tracked.
4. Exactly the same story with General Tantsyura, who, according to Prigozhin, could have been in the destroyed off-road vehicle near Chasov Yar, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine denied this, claiming that Tantsyura and "everyone else" (about which Prigozhin did not speak at all) are alive. Who they are is not clear. The dance is still not shown.
Therefore, we are waiting - they will show Zaluzhny or not. The long public absence of Zaluzhny will naturally multiply rumors that he could be killed or wounded. But so far this has not been verified.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45341
Interestingly enough, Wikipedia has updated that general Syrsky (commands Bakhmut sector of Ukraine forces) has died on May 10th in Bakhmut.
"Oleksandr Stanislavovych Syrskyi (Ukrainian: Олександр Станіславович Сирський; born 26 July 1965, died 10 May 2023) was a Ukrainian military officer."
https://twitter.com/tommikv/status/1656258886607724544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Syrskyi
Also, this rumour
Rumours that Zaluzhny was killed in one of the Russian strikes:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/85338
Regarding the rumors about the death of Zaluzhny.
1. Yes, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation covered one of the headquarters with high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. This is official information. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not report the death of specific officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If they knew for sure that one of them was Zaluzhny, they would certainly have been informed.
2. Who exactly was there - is unknown, in the public field there is no reliable information about the participants in the meeting. The fact that the Ukrainian generals periodically visit the Donbass is not a secret. In addition to Zaluzhny, Syrky or the same Tantsyura periodically flashed there.
3. Ukraine denies the death of Zaluzhny, but due to the fact that he has not been in the public field for a long time, this gives rise to rumors that he could have suffered from such a blow, especially if he was tracked.
4. Exactly the same story with General Tantsyura, who, according to Prigozhin, could have been in the destroyed off-road vehicle near Chasov Yar, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine denied this, claiming that Tantsyura and "everyone else" (about which Prigozhin did not speak at all) are alive. Who they are is not clear. The dance is still not shown.
Therefore, we are waiting - they will show Zaluzhny or not. The long public absence of Zaluzhny will naturally multiply rumors that he could be killed or wounded. But so far this has not been verified.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45341
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kvs wrote:Wagner is doing its job and getting sufficient support. Prigozhin is running his mouth like a retard.
He is not a military commander, BTW. He is basically a financier for the organization.
You are right, he is not a military commander. He knows that. He is like a chief of operations. So he is there to make sure his commanders have the tools they need to deliver the desired results. And since he is dependent on the military supply chain, he is just advocating for his commanders.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
SolidarityWithRussia Wed May 10, 2023 10:49 pm
The UK is about to give long range missiles to Ukraine with 200 miles range. Could this escalate into a nuclear war, if Russian nuclear arsenals are targeted by Ukraine? The drone attack on Engels airfield last year already sparked this kind of fear, but long range missile are probably more dangerous than drones.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
sepheronx Wed May 10, 2023 10:59 pm
No, Russia will simply start striking harder at the borders around Ukraine where this shit is delivered through.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
Arkanghelsk Wed May 10, 2023 11:44 pm
Dmitry Rogozin announced the need for a second wave of mobilization in Russia.“We must bear in mind that the enemy is stronger than us. We cannot act here in such a way that it is every man for himself. Therefore, mobilization is needed. We had to go through not only one at the beginning of autumn, we have to go through one more. We have problems with the personnel, because the guys are wounded, our fighters are killed. Even when the front is standing, there are shelling. We are losing combat-ready guys. They need to be replaced."
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And since he is dependent on the military supply chain, he is just advocating for his commanders.
Ranting and raving on public social media showing dead bodies of soldiers in not advocating.... more like blackmailing.... and shaming...
The UK is about to give long range missiles to Ukraine with 200 miles range. Could this escalate into a nuclear war, if Russian nuclear arsenals are targeted by Ukraine? The drone attack on Engels airfield last year already sparked this kind of fear, but long range missile are probably more dangerous than drones.
Russia needs to start arming the IRA perhaps.
Was going to suggest selling new submarines to Argentina, but Kiev are terrorists and so are the IRA...
No, Russia will simply start striking harder at the borders around Ukraine where this shit is delivered through.
They need to make it clear that 300km+ range missiles violates international agreements on missile exports... there are lots of countries the UK does not want to have modern missiles...
And again... the IRA with Igla missiles... wont that be interesting.
And before people complain can you honestly say that Kiev wont kill civilians with these weapons like they have used M777 and HIMARS and drones and other weapons they have received over the last almost decade they have been murdering civilians?
Honestly I am looking forward to what Medvedev says about it...
One British official actually said they are free when it comes to arming Kiev because they say Russia already hates them.
The entire western world is earning that title now.
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Well if they do it will be interesting because as we now know mobilisations don't lead to instant forces on the battlefield that can be shifted around at will.
But the idea that in some future time a large increase in Russian forces numbers is coming will either force Kiev to a clumsy attack to try to get some political or ground gains so they can negotiate with some leverage, or it might cause western partners to stop support realising the game is up... or the demands from Kiev will get bigger and instead of demanding resources for a big push to beat the Russians it will be for the resources they need to survive big pushes coming from the Russian forces.
The arrival of a lot of extra forces will make lots of targets for enemy artillery... when you assemble large forces you need fuel dumps and ammo dumps and equipment supply lines and of course enormous vehicle parks and places to accommodate the extra troops... all of which enemy artillery can target... so rather than having it sitting waiting to get hit it makes more sense to use it and advance, except use more conventional tactics and bypass strong points and leave follow up units to grind them down, which is usually easier when they have been bypassed because their supply and support has been cut off by the advancing forces, so you can use artillery and infantry units to grind them down.
Pushing them back rapidly would mean increased chances of capture of tanks and vehicles and artillery etc, but it makes teams trying to stay behind the lines and act like guerillas easier.
It is an option I suppose.
If they do they need to stop screwing around, call it a war and target HATO resources as top priority everywhere, and also try to kill off the Americans in the US embassy that are running the country... hey it is war and you guys are running it for their side... making you a legitimate, and actually, a priority target.
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Like others have stated the BMPT was designed to accompany MBTs and was designed to have similar protection they are based on T-72 or T-90 due to its role it's highly likely that it has tank like protection. On another note Belarus designed the 2T stalker which is a T-72 with main gun removed retained the 7.62mm machine gun the main gun replaced with 30mm cannon, AT-6 ATGW and sa-18. This was some years ago and if they were to revise the project I would imagine that the 30mmgun would be replaced with 57mm gun or 57mm grenade launcher, AT-6 replaced with shershan or Kornet and sa-18 replaced with Verba and possibly addition of a pack of Bulat.
Anyways what we know is the BMPT is effective at what it does.
Anyways what we know is the BMPT is effective at what it does.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
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NEWS UPDATE BAKHMUT MIDNIGHT MAY 11 CET
Cautious @Suriyakmaps
has also confirmed russian takeover of most of the territory east of Chajkovskogo Street as well of four of the high rises within the "Citadel/Nest". The two highrises that are red shaded are probably also taken, since fighting has reached the Peremona cinema (red circle). Some of the buildings in purple might also have been captured by the Wagner forces.It seems that the local Wagner commander came to the same conclusion as I proposed in my old tweet and started by attacking the unsupported corner house in the SW (red square) and continued forward the same way as I also proposed.
NEWS UPDATE BAKHMUT AFTERNOON MAY 10
Wagner forces are now capturing the entire eastern side of Chajkovskogo Street. The minicitadel and area north of it (1) are cleared of ukrainian forces. The area south of the Industrial Collage (2) are presently being cleared by the Wagner forces and ukrainian forces are withdrawing to the western side of Chajkovskogo Street.
We gave earlier said that the ukrainian part of Bakhmut is divided into two parts, a minor southern part and a major northern part. Now has the easily defendable eastern half of the south been captured. The western part (blue shaded) consists mainly of small houses and will probably be easy to capture by the Wagner forces
In the SE part of the main Citadel/Nest, Wagner has reached the Peremona cinema (3) and captured half a dozen high rises in the eastern part of the complex. At least two of high rises was taken last night.
NEWS UPDATE BAKHMUT MIDNIGHT MAY 11 CET
Cautious @Suriyakmaps
has also confirmed russian takeover of most of the territory east of Chajkovskogo Street as well of four of the high rises within the "Citadel/Nest". The two highrises that are red shaded are probably also taken, since fighting has reached the Peremona cinema (red circle). Some of the buildings in purple might also have been captured by the Wagner forces.It seems that the local Wagner commander came to the same conclusion as I proposed in my old tweet and started by attacking the unsupported corner house in the SW (red square) and continued forward the same way as I also proposed.
NEWS UPDATE BAKHMUT AFTERNOON MAY 10
Wagner forces are now capturing the entire eastern side of Chajkovskogo Street. The minicitadel and area north of it (1) are cleared of ukrainian forces. The area south of the Industrial Collage (2) are presently being cleared by the Wagner forces and ukrainian forces are withdrawing to the western side of Chajkovskogo Street.
We gave earlier said that the ukrainian part of Bakhmut is divided into two parts, a minor southern part and a major northern part. Now has the easily defendable eastern half of the south been captured. The western part (blue shaded) consists mainly of small houses and will probably be easy to capture by the Wagner forces
In the SE part of the main Citadel/Nest, Wagner has reached the Peremona cinema (3) and captured half a dozen high rises in the eastern part of the complex. At least two of high rises was taken last night.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:
“We must bear in mind that the enemy is stronger than us. We cannot act here in such a way that it is every man for himself. Therefore, mobilization is needed. We had to go through not only one at the beginning of autumn, we have to go through one more. We have problems with the personnel, because the guys are wounded, our fighters are killed. Even when the front is standing, there are shelling. We are losing combat-ready guys. They need to be replaced."
Well I kinda predicted this when they implemented the new mobilization call up system.
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sepheronx wrote:No, Russia will simply start striking harder at the borders around Ukraine where this shit is delivered through.
they shoulda closed that border as job 1. Instead here we are. A lot of people keep saying Russia has no time pressure. I say that is BULLSHIT. There are real risks both military and political to a long war. Closing the western border would have been much easier a year ago. Now there are minefields everywhere and closing it will take much more careful and deliberate action. But still, why all the rails lines and main road are not hit daily with FAB 500's is a real mystery to me. Only theory I have is to bleed NATO dry. But so what, NATO will rearm. It will take 2-3 years. Unless Russia is planning an ultimatum to NATO after they defeat Ukraine.....
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42
PapaDragon Thu May 11, 2023 2:41 am
Arkanghelsk wrote:
“We must bear in mind that the enemy is stronger than us. We cannot act here in such a way that it is every man for himself. Therefore, mobilization is needed. We had to go through not only one at the beginning of autumn, we have to go through one more. We have problems with the personnel, because the guys are wounded, our fighters are killed. Even when the front is standing, there are shelling. We are losing combat-ready guys. They need to be replaced."
Rogozin Jr. is more than fit to serve hence he should go first (why isn't he there already?)
Every time someone lets this moron near a phone dumb shit happens
Also, maybe they would have had less wounded if they didn't use soldiers as artillery sponges and instead focused on exterminating Ukrainians with heavy firepower?
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Last I checked/heard and read was that Russia still had very few units in Ukraine and about 100K in Belarus and 300K at the border. Estimated close to 500K close to Ukraine. I'm unsure there needs to be another mobilization since what, less than 20K wounded and dead?
Anyway, I wouldn't bother increasing mobilized but offer more incentives for volunteers and other units. Old cossack units? Maybe look at creating another PMC group to compete with Wagner? Lots of options and Russia isn't shirt of volunteers.
Anyway, I wouldn't bother increasing mobilized but offer more incentives for volunteers and other units. Old cossack units? Maybe look at creating another PMC group to compete with Wagner? Lots of options and Russia isn't shirt of volunteers.
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they shoulda closed that border as job 1
That is a ridiculous thing to say.
Their entire strategy was based around making this a limited intervention... to close the Ukraine border with all HATO countries would have required a full scale invasion... numbers of soldiers and equipment to the point where it wouldn't matter if they closed the border or not... which is ironic don't you think?
A lot of people keep saying Russia has no time pressure. I say that is BULLSHIT.
The longer this conflict continues the longer the west remains in full anti Russia mode and Russia can cut all ties and relations with us bastards.
When this conflict ends European countries are going to go to Russia and try to start trade again and get cheap energy again and all that other shit that started all this in the first place and Russia goes back to where it was...
What Russia needs to do is say to the west that they are helping their enemy and so their people and resources in the Ukraine are now legitimate targets and will be hit repeatedly because you are aiding the enemy and are a core part of the problem.
Give them a week to leave and then start hitting them where ever you can find them.
There are real risks both military and political to a long war.
the opposition still thinks it has a chance to survive and join HATO and essentially "win".
In such a situation any peace agreement wont be on good terms for Russia because Kiev wont even talk till Russian forces leave what they think is their territory, so there are no peace agreement options for Russia any time soon... they have to win peace on the battlefield.
This is step one... kill their armed forces.
Step two will be advance to where the natives stop being friendly and start building new boundaries and setting up new states with governments Russia finds acceptable... you know... the way the west does it around the world.
But still, why all the rails lines and main road are not hit daily with FAB 500's is a real mystery to me.
Because maybe 5% of that traffic is military and the rest goes to keeping the civilian population alive.
They are not bastards like the west who care about Iraqi oil and will leave the Iraqi civilian population to fend for itself while it secures oil fields and levels cities.
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d_taddei2 wrote:On another note Belarus designed the 2T stalker which is a T-72 with main gun removed retained the 7.62mm machine gun the main gun replaced with 30mm cannon, AT-6 ATGW and sa-18. This was some years ago and if they were to revise the project I would imagine that the 30mmgun would be replaced with 57mm gun or 57mm grenade launcher, AT-6 replaced with shershan or Kornet and sa-18 replaced with Verba and possibly addition of a pack of Bulat.
Anyways what we know is the BMPT is effective at what it does.
2T was constructed around GM-352 tracked chassis it shares with Tunguska.
It was not heavy protection in mind, but being low observable,, with a special silenced engine and exhaust.
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ALAMO wrote:Jesus fukin Chris, STFU finally and go lecture or something, because that gets more and more pathetic.
BMPT armor package is better than most of the MBT in line, and newly developed platforms are not much inferior, if even.
So yes, it is a MBT level of protection in all cases.
And you are too lazy to do a bloody 5min research.
Listening to you yapping about what should and shouldn't is not only utter nonsense, but a waste of time everyone can spend digging own arse left-handed.
Perhaps you should 1, take some anger management meds 2 learn some manners and failing that, just use the ignore feature so you don't to view content from people you don't find useful. Much better then throwing a tantrum like a 12 year old.
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GarryB wrote:
they shoulda closed that border as job 1
That is a ridiculous thing to say.
Their entire strategy was based around making this a limited intervention... to close the Ukraine border with all HATO countries would have required a full scale invasion... numbers of soldiers and equipment to the point where it wouldn't matter if they closed the border or not... which is ironic don't you think?
A lot of people keep saying Russia has no time pressure. I say that is BULLSHIT.
The longer this conflict continues the longer the west remains in full anti Russia mode and Russia can cut all ties and relations with us bastards.
When this conflict ends European countries are going to go to Russia and try to start trade again and get cheap energy again and all that other shit that started all this in the first place and Russia goes back to where it was...
What Russia needs to do is say to the west that they are helping their enemy and so their people and resources in the Ukraine are now legitimate targets and will be hit repeatedly because you are aiding the enemy and are a core part of the problem.
Give them a week to leave and then start hitting them where ever you can find them.
There are real risks both military and political to a long war.
the opposition still thinks it has a chance to survive and join HATO and essentially "win".
In such a situation any peace agreement wont be on good terms for Russia because Kiev wont even talk till Russian forces leave what they think is their territory, so there are no peace agreement options for Russia any time soon... they have to win peace on the battlefield.
This is step one... kill their armed forces.
Step two will be advance to where the natives stop being friendly and start building new boundaries and setting up new states with governments Russia finds acceptable... you know... the way the west does it around the world.
But still, why all the rails lines and main road are not hit daily with FAB 500's is a real mystery to me.
Because maybe 5% of that traffic is military and the rest goes to keeping the civilian population alive.
They are not bastards like the west who care about Iraqi oil and will leave the Iraqi civilian population to fend for itself while it secures oil fields and levels cities.
So allowing more of their men to die is better then the bandera supporters? They can leave allow outbound traffic to leave and allow food aid to be flown in if it stops in Crimea for inspection first. This will also create a huge refugee problem for the lovely Polish partners. They can even allow civilian goods through Belarus as long as its inspected first. They had enough men to close the border at the start of the war, it would not have taken that many.
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The Russian leadership did mention that this struggle is an existential one , unlike some views that this is a picnic ! That Russian soldiers should put every effort into this conflict . The red square parade only showed one T34 Tank . Meaning the entire force is or should be deployed . This outlook is different to the one , more than a year ago . The optimistic view of a limited and quick war to denazify and disarm , by a bold and large pincer offensive .
Therefore we can say clearly given these facts , that the threat must be entirely eliminated by full force at the earliest opportunity . An existential threat , remaining and given room and oxygen to thrive , like a cancer , grows and infects every organ , finally ending the host's life . A surgeon does not allow the cancer to grow and spread in the body . He cuts it out at the earliest opportunity .
The tactics must change : First all civilian goods must pass by Ship , through Black Sea , or through Belarus , after inspection by Russia . The border to Poland and Romania must have all traffic stopped . All Road and Rail to be cut .Second all Bridges on Deniper must fall , all supplies to Ukrs Army in East cut . Any food aid for East by say UN or EU , to pass through Russia . Third , all Nazi leadership to be a target by Khinzal , and any subsequent replacement be a target by Calibre . Fourth , civilian resistance anti-Nazi partisans to be organised and armed , to fight the Orcs . The Russian Army then drive to the Deniper River , and then capture Odessa by marine landing . Fifth , any subsequent long rang attack by NATO or the Orcs , by missiles , to be reciprocated . Ad infinitum !
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So allowing more of their men to die is better then the bandera supporters?
The fact of the matter is that Russian soldiers are going to die in this conflict... no matter what they do.
Massing up a huge force will just put more Russians in the way and create a target rich environment for a guerilla war that the west has been hoping for... that wont work in the east and south of the country because the locals are less likely to support orcs that have been shelling them for the last decade, but as the Russian forces move forward they are going to come to areas where they believe the shit the west is broadcasting and they will help these terrorists and that is going to be a problem.
Another factor is that the longer this goes on the more nazis get whacked too.
If they don't deal with it properly now the west is going to build up and fund what is left and in 5 to ten years time some more young men are going to have to do this all again.
Russia is not doing this for fun, this is important and it is important they get it right.
Maybe the problem is the west thinks Putin is weak and does not have the spine, so maybe using nukes might wake them up, or it might just escalate things further.
Personally I think nukes should be kept for any HATO troops thinking they can come in and get directly involved because they would represent a direct threat to Russia which justifies the use of nukes but I hope the Russians spell that out clearly so they are not stupid enough to send in troops and require such actions in the first place.
PS did you have to repeat my entire post to make that comment?
This was one of the reasons the quote button disappeared.
The red square parade only showed one T34 Tank . Meaning the entire force is or should be deployed .
They have tens of thousands of tanks they could send to a parade and the conflict... sending a T-34 only to the parade was about the fact that this parade is about WWII nazis... not present day nazis from the west.
They are running exercises in Russia around the place all the time and those exercises use men and machines that are not being used in Ukraine or in Syria.
The tactics must change : First all civilian goods must pass by Ship , through Black Sea , or through Belarus , after inspection by Russia . The border to Poland and Romania must have all traffic stopped . All Road and Rail to be cut .Second all Bridges on Deniper must fall , all supplies to Ukrs Army in East cut .
Not really practical, the land borders are quite long and there are more than a few roads and rail lines and bridges.
They are waiting for the big Orc offensive which I suspect they intend to stop and roll back and go on an offensive themselves.
I rather suspect a naval attack on Odessa would fail, they need to attack from the land.
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