Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Red army won in the end, but the entire genocide in the east, and almost losing St. Peter, Moscow, and Stalingrad could have been avoided with competent leadership during the opening stages of barbarossa

We keep hearing this but this was at a time when the amazing military superpower of the UK and France had already been pushed back into the sea and obliterated despite their amazing leadership and training and the quality of their troops and weapons and equipment...

There was not land based force in all of Europe that would have done better against the Germans... we know that because they didn't.

More good news. Wonder if the 45 Azov operatives released in exchange for those 3 pilots are on their way to the front?

Hope so... harder to kill if they go anywhere else...

I know if those but they are kinda like the BMP-3. I don't think they have MBT level armor protection do they?

The entire reason for being of the BMPT was for a vehicle with SPAAG level gun fire power but with tank level protection and mobility that could operate with tanks where it was not safe to operate softer vehicles like BMPs and BTRs to support the tanks in places where infantry are too vulnerable to operate without getting killed.

The chassis does not make it a tank. The Typhoon is on the same platform at a T 14. It may not be the same protection class is the bmP-3 but I don't see any evidence it approaches MBT Levels of armour.

Using a tank chassis gives it tank level protection for the crew in the Chassis.

Having a turret where the crew are located below the turret ring means there is no part of the turret you can hit and kill the crew because they are essentially protected by the frontal hull armour like the driver.

This is rather better than the vehicles previously used in the ground support role like the ZSU-57-2 and the ZSU-23-4 and the Tunguska, which all have large turrets and not much armour.

The ZSU-57-2 has a T-55 chassis but with reduced armour to reduce weight and most of the crew are in the open topped turret.

Have you seen how large a 57mm cart is? 30mm allows serious firepower and qty of rounds. Thats it. Whats the max rate of fire of a 57 mm vs 30mm? These machines are to hose down the enemy. Yes I have heard of all of these, they lack the MBT level armour. So you are making them go closer to the enemy with less armor.

The T-15 has a 57mm grenade launcher with an enormous HE bomb for the calibre and also a rather large and high velocity APFSDS round too...



It also carries Bulat ATGMs which are relatively small and designed to hit point targets that do not have MBT level protection, but it also carries Kornet missiles which can deal with any tank known...

It can also carry troops in the rear troop compartment or extra ammo for the main weapons... it is based on the chassis of the Armata tank but with the engine moved to the front.

The Typhoon is on the same platform at a T 14.

Typhoon is a four and six wheeled family of light vehicles that are not related at all to the Armata chassis.

An interesting memo - Iranians operate modified ZSU-57-2 made with wheeled 6x6 chassis and directed by modern FCS.
Not sure if they are using any different types of ammo, but as the product is brand new, I suppose they do produce new ammo for it.
New in a "factory condition" meaning, which should resolve most of the issues with them we watched.

Important to keep in mind that the S-60 is an AA gun so the armour piercing rounds are not designed to penetrate tank or vehicle armour and also they are intended for use against aircraft but the armour piercing and HE rounds had to have the same weight and the same velocity so they both shoot to the same point of aim when fired from a mixed clip of ammo.

With the new ammo there are APFSDS rounds with very high velocity and of course the HE shell is as heavy as they can make it to make it effective.

That their trajectory does not match does not matter because on new vehicles it will have a digital fire control system so the barrel will be reaimed for each different type of ammo.

What that means for older gun types is that you have to zero each type of ammo and adjust your aim as you change to different ammo types.

The new HE rounds will likely travel slower than the older HE rounds that were designed to have a higher velocity to match the AP rounds so new HE rounds will likely have more drop, while the APFSDS round will shoot very flat.

Being able to use old barrels and old ammo stocks is a bonus of course and for many jobs the old ammo would be just fine... against enemy BMPs and M113s even HE rounds would probably be effective while even the old AP rounds would do damage to any light vehicles they operate.

Jesus fukin Chris, STFU finally and go lecture or something, because that gets more and more pathetic.
BMPT armor package is better than most of the MBT in line, and newly developed platforms are not much inferior, if even.
So yes, it is a MBT level of protection in all cases.
And you are too lazy to do a bloody 5min research.
Listening to you yapping about what should and shouldn't is not only utter nonsense, but a waste of time everyone can spend digging own arse left-handed.

Today a memorial of fallen pilota of the 38.Separate Aviation Regiment was revealed. 16 names, most of them of March 22. I will chceck how IT applies helikopter number, but most are Mi-17.

The armor of the tank does not necessarily go with the chassis.

The intention of the BMPT is a fire support vehicle to operate on the front line with tanks which means it needs tank level armour and the fire power to take out targets that tanks are not ideal for dealing with.

In other words it is about two BMPs rolled into one vehicle in terms of fire power but it does not carry troops... just the guns of the two BMP-2s... with comparable protection to the tanks they operate with.

A lot of armor esp in older tanks is applique armor and I don see it on these machines. Yes they should have the same protection of a tank because they do a more dangerous job esp with the latest ATGMs they should have active kill protection systems.

The vehicles previously used in the role were SPAAGs because of their fire power which is devastating in the ground to ground role, but the armour protection levels of these vehicles which are not supposed to roam near the front lines of a battlefield is weak... few could withstand much more than small arms fire.

Pregozhin is doing a great job IMHO.

Don't think there is any question about that, the problem seems to be that he is a bit of a drama queen that thinks open social media is the way to air dirty laundry... and in that he is wrong.

He is not a military commander, BTW. He is basically a financier for the organization.

Yes, he is a billionaire oligarch that the west like to claim own Putin and run Russia like a criminal mafia state... love the irony there....

franco wrote:

38th regiment is Belbek?

My bad, 39th.
Memorial settled in Dzhankoy, Crimea.
Here : 45.710202125531524, 34.39511026541265

3x Ka-52, 3xMi-28, 3xMi-36, 7x Mi-17.
3 ranked major, 6 ranked captain, 7 ranked shturman, what would suggest 9 or more shoot down helicopters.
Most of the cases in March, dates are same for pilot and shturman, suggesting a big rocket strike, like S-300 or Buk. There won't be much left of a helicopter after that.

Thats relatively light losses, accumulated for the beginning of it and decreasing rapidly after.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61769

By the way, how is the mighty counteroffensive doing? Boys are getting bored...