Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

DerWolf wrote:The downing of these aircraft will affect the bombing with glide KABs, which was a kind of game changer recently.

sundoesntrise wrote:You sound like the geopolitical equivalent of my Boomer uncle who suffered from long stretches of alcoholism. Who tried to convince the world 'there was no problem and that he had everything under control' even though he was mandatorily admitted to rehab in 10+ occassions, his children found at least a dozen of secret alcohol stashes in and around his house, and who managed to be drunk for weeks on end whilst trying to give the outward appearance that he was a man of great discipline and control.

You're like him. Grasping at whatever straw you can find to deny the undeniable. Defend the undefendable. Damagecontrol the undamagecontrable. Spin the unspinnable.

There is no reason/sense in carefully dissecting your pathetic 'arguments' because there are none. They are - be it directly or indirectly - all spinoffs of a psychological cope-mechanism called *projection*. Which, in laymen terms, means trying to flip-flop the presented situation in the exact opposite of what your sensatory organs are telling you it is. Obviously this happens either for political purposes (shills) or personal reasons (people to emotionally invested in a cause). It's up to to others to decide in what cagetory you fit.

Hence the assertions that 'Russia is actually winning because the US and allies can't keep this up because xyz' even though everybody and his mom can see that this is not true and that the US are 100 percent committed whilst spending a fraction of what Russia is spending.

Or, that 'Russia is showing the world it's interested in world piece by not doing the necessary'

Or that 'the West will freeze to death, and the Ukrainian civil/military infrastructure will collapse before xyz'

Or that 'Ukraine will soon run out of men due to the (imaginary) 8 to 1 attrition rates'

Hence the assertion that 'doomers have lowbrow arguments' even though they largely present arguments on well founded and logical grounds and have been proven to be accurate on basically every count with *your side* moving the goalposts time and time again - resorting to personal defamation as the message is more often than not bulletproof.

Etc etc etc. You get the drift.


Like with substance/alcohol abuse, the first step towards improving the situation would be acknowledging that there is a need to improve the situation - and not walk around with your head up your ass telling the world everything is fine even though a toddler can see the house is on fire.

Russia and its supporters deserve all the contempt in the world for letting this happen. Until they decide to take the gloves off (both domestically and internationally) they ought to be ridiculed, laughed at, despised, made fun of and what not. Even so I am not sure what will save Russia's credibility at this point. They literally let a Ukrainian assassination attempt at their Head of State slide for God's sake.

The uncle died of alcohol induced liver cancer bytheway.

LMFS wrote:

DerWolf wrote:The downing of these aircraft will affect the bombing with glide KABs, which was a kind of game changer recently.

No it will not...

Hole wrote:So we got 5 pages of dooming and glooming because of 2 planes and 2 helicopters shot down.
The Su-35 isn´t even confirmed yet.
In the meantime the Ukros lost 2 planes, too.
Which side has more planes and helis?
Which side is producing planes and helis?

As posted above the first losses in weeks or even months. In a high intensity conflict against the whole of NATO
hiding behind a proxy.

The whole day targets in Banderastan were hit by missiles/bombs/drones.
The nice explosion in Khmelnitskyi is only the tip of the iceberg.
But the whole time people are talking about the civilian targets hit in Lugansk.

The Storm Shadows/Scalps were easily shot down in Syria because there the west tried to
hit important military targets. That´s why the Kiev regime and his handlers are attacking
meat factories or civilian houses. Again.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Manpads did not kill a 4 plane combat group delivering FAB 500 with glide modules

And not a helicopter with Rychag jamming equipment that easily jams MANPADS like those over Gostomel

This was a very well planned strike with highest intel

Mi8MTPR -1 has Rychag and jams radar, su35 was providing top cover with IRBIS, Su34 was delivering the FAB, and the second MI8 was a recovery crew

This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession

The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos

Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK

Arkanghelsk wrote:
This was an ambush with some other weaponry coordinated against the group in simultaneous succession

The pilots were killed at the cockpit, which MANPADS does not have the strength to do to big aircraft like Su34 and Su35, maybe to helos

Also the dispersion of the combat group rules out MANPADS, and BUK

onwiththewar wrote:Knowing what the other side is good at, I personally think what happened is some sabotage group infiltrated the bases and attached timed explosives on these planes and helicopters near the cockpits. Then they also had someone on the ground at where the helicopters would pass with manpads.

Azi wrote:
Most likely scenario is....

Russia used the same flight paths for days, weeks or months. Ukraine placed a S-300 system exactly at the border or a few km behind. They switched at the right time the radar on for only a few minutes. Enough to track and destroy the aircrafts. Later the system was offline and Russia not able to detect the exact location.
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mnztr wrote:Using the same flight paths with no variance is such a common mistake that gets made again and again in air wars. wtf. Do these guys think they are flying cargo planes?