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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:06 pm


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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:59 pm

    Even the heroic 76th Pskov VDV, who trashed the ukrops in kherson are angry at muradov and acknowledging wagner's ammo problems. So much for the cope here.

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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:01 pm

    Muradov, unlike Lapin, actually is incompetent and has failed in his assignments. When Lapin was accused, entire O group and even Vladlen Tatarskiy who is a voenkor embedded with wagner defended him.
    Nobody is defending him now, except some forum users here who think everythings peachy.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:06 pm

    Warning!!! Not for the faint of heart. 🔞🔞
    Prigozhin published pics of Wagner fighters that died in one day (!) and list of expended and received ammo.

    https://t.me/milinfolive/97259?single
    Extremely heavy shots, but they are worth seeing.

    The head of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, published a photo of the PMC fighters who died during the day and an application addressed to the Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov.

    There are three columns in the application: the first is the consumption of the type of ammunition per day, the second is the consumption of the type of ammunition for 10 days, and the third, handwritten, actually issued to the PMC ammunition for 10 days. Prigozhin claims that now "Wagner" is forced to walk with an outstretched hand and beg for other army units, begging them for ammunition.

    Prigozhin also expressed the key idea that if the relevant persons had prepared the army and done everything that they were obliged to do for the last 10 years, then Wagner PMC would not be needed at all.

    @milinfolive

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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:06 pm

    Shoigu has had questionable results, and him promoting muradov, despite failures on the south front calls his competence into question, together with the fact that

    The fact that wagner, even if they lack the most modern equipment and entire state defence budget, has successfully supplied and equipped its infantry to successfully fulfill combat assignments on the modern battlefield, has shown that prigozhin performs his duties better as a defence minister than shoigu, because hes better administrator. Prigozhin's management style got his infantry drones, talented commanders, great artillery coordination, and great comms in general that fulfill modern standards. At the beginning of the smo, The russian army, under shoigu's management didnt get most of that.


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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:08 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:Israeli nuclear programme benefitted from the influx of Russian and Ukrainian scientists, engineers throughout the 90s

    The Israeli nuclear program was in full swing looong before any benefit from the demise of the Soviet Union. Their covert program for nuclear weapons was primarily from US/French sources. In turn Israeli scientists helped the South Africans way back in the eighties but gave up those ambitions in 1989.

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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:09 pm

    Arrow wrote:China probably already has more nuclear weapons than France and England. They will soon reach parity with the US and Russia.

    China does not need parity with either Russia or the US and I would be very surprised if they will go for a full blown nuclear arms race. There will be an increase in numbers but all they need is to make sure they have enough to act as a deterrent and then concentrate on modernization. Pretty much what they have been doing over the last couple of years.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:13 pm

    China does not need parity with either Russia or the US and I would be very surprised if they will go for a full blown nuclear arms race wrote:

    The current strategic arsenals of Russia and the US are very poor compared to the 1980s. To achieve them horizontally is no effort for China. It's only 1500 warheads approx.
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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:29 pm

    From multiple sources on Twitter:

    A large-scale offensive of Russian troops has begun, starting from Krasny Liman, ending with the border of the Belgorod region, it is reported that in some areas they've advanced more than 5 km, the gray zone has passed completely under Russian control.

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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:40 pm

    Posting your losses like that, while Ukrainian ones are in caskets and have more respect..

    Well at least they are not lying and finally providing data. It will get sorted and someone will loose the chair

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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:52 pm

    Did he post KIA for one day or for one week?
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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:54 pm

    Interesting comment made by Khodakovsky re Wagner and general problems with ammunition:

    None of this shit should be aired in public.

    Now everyone knows that Russia really does have an ammo shortage. Well done everyone. F'ing idiots.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:00 pm

    Warning!!! Not for the faint of heart. 🔞🔞
    Prigozhin published pics of Wagner fighters that died in one day (!) and list of expended and received ammo.

    Doubling down on this retardation. Now Khodakovsky, how about you post some pics of your dead too. Seeing is that you were also stupid enough to follow Prigozhin the first time.

    Posting your losses like that,

    It will get sorted and someone will loose the chair

    Prigozhin should be the one to lose his chair. And it wouldn't surprise me if that will be the result. If there's an actual ammo shortage, no amount of whining and publicity stunts is going to change that.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:04 pm

    Ukraine shelled Shebekino (Belgorod region, near the UA border) multiple times today with tube artillery, seemingly at random. They hit a children's department store (toys, childrens' clothes), some houses, farm in the nearby village of Pervoye Tseplyaevo and some field in Tavolzhanka.

    2 civilians injured only, however. One bad, one moderately.

    Just random shelling out of spite, anyway. Possibly a frustrated reaction to the Russian offensive in the area (if true)? Ukraine behaves like that a lot. Donetsk city usually gets some random shelling whenever Ukraine suffers a setback there.

    In other news, Mariupol authorities say that AD shot down multiple drones. No damage. I wouldn't be surprised if it's about those repurposed target drones (RZ20) the Ukrainians boasted about, and they want to damage the new built apartments there, again out of spite.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:25 pm

    Kids of US servicemen in Poland

    This was already speculated on on YouTube

    What's more interesting is why all the flags are US and Ukrainian if they're in Poland? Twisted Evil

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:36 pm

    @limb
    Did he post KIA for one day or for one week?
    Post says one day, but I think it is done for stronger impression. I wouldn't read too much in it.
    What is important is that this is getting out of hand. It is obvious that there is a conflict among Russian security services. And that Prigozhin has to have backing from someone very high up in order to post these type of postings, in the first place.
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:44 pm

    @Backman
    None of this shit should be aired in public.

    Now everyone knows that Russia really does have an ammo shortage. Well done everyone. F'ing idiots.
    It has been a known problem for some time now. Structures in military, "leak" info to military correspondents in order to push some problems into the public light or for purposes of maskirovka.
    Ukrainians will use this for propaganda purposes. I doubt they were not aware of this problem, same way Russians know very well situation in Ukrainian army.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:54 pm

    The current strategic arsenals of Russia and the US are very poor compared to the 1980s. To achieve them horizontally is no effort for China. It's only 1500 warheads approx. wrote:

    ONLY 1500 warheads? !!! Like I said people have become far to blasé about the consequences of nuclear war. There are only 512 cities in the world with > 1m population and 31 mega cities in the world. So if you deliver 2 warheads to each major city and 4 to each mega city...what else could you do with the spares? USA has only 466 cities over 50K so it still wayyyy overkill. I think if it came down to it, so 800 in Europe and 466 in USA, still lots of spares, also lots of warheads on cruise missiles and iskander

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    Post  zare Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:00 pm

    What kind of ammo Wagner uses that Russia supposedly cannot deliver?

    Since he's talking about begging bullets from allied formations, Russia cannot deliver bullets? But somehow republican troops (the least equipped) have them at spare for beggars?

    IMO with no data to back it up, Russians are trying to provoke a preemptive strike from Ukrainians trying to picture holes in their defense. The Ukrainians have no force to do proper counteroffensive but with the latest batch of weapons they could try to organize effort for "anti-offensive", e.g. try to punch through Russian lines so a future offensive from Russian side is at jeopardy. If Ukrainians try to do this, and the Russian side is actually in full force, the Russians will get rid of enemy manpower and equipment faster than in reverse scenario where AFU is entrenched in defense and Russians pushing forward.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:01 pm

    None of this shit should be aired in public. Now everyone knows that Russia really does have an ammo shortage. Well done everyone. F'ing idiots. wrote:

    Unless this is what Russia wants them to think. Many things are possible. such as - A Wagner assault went bad, and he is trying to pass the blame., Russia wants Ukraine to think they are low on ammo and the risk of the big attack is low as a result, Russia may be reducing ammo expenditure to build stockpiles for a major move. he could be moving faster then the logistics can move etc etc. So many possible causes. He has Putins ear and I think its clear Putin does rely on him for some undistillled feedback. Putin will probably raise questions privately to the relevant minsters to see if there is anything to be done. In Putins position its hard to get the facts sometimes. Pregozhin serves this purpose quite well.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:21 pm


    Just random shelling out of spite, anyway. Possibly a frustrated reaction to the Russian offensive in the area (if true)? Ukraine behaves like that a lot

    I might get some flack for saying this. But this kind of insane cruelty is primarily the doing of the Anglo satanists. The CIA and their guys inside make this stuff happen. The same happens in every US instigated civil war. This is why the Yugoslav wars were so bloody. This is why ISIS operated the way they did. Same thing in Chechnya. The British were insanely cruel during WW2 too. The Lusitania was a conspiracy instigated by the British. MH-17 was the same thing. A cruel false flag designed to sow divide and propagate more war.

    Even some kind of west Ukraine state structure, left to its own devices, probably wouldn't do stuff like this. Because it is futile and they gain nothing from it. But if you are literally trying to instigate more war, more feuds and more death, this is what you would do.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:25 pm


    Unless this is what Russia wants them to think. Many things are possible. such as - A Wagner assault went bad, and he is trying to pass the blame., Russia wants Ukraine to think they are low on ammo

    Considering Wager hasn't stopped taking territory since this began, and now there's reports that the Russian military is on the offensive, rolling over the grey area, I guess that could be true.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:29 pm


    @ Franco

    I read with interest the English translated Russian document of difficulties in Donbas region for troops . I can say the following : First the difficulties are faced by both sides , it looks like Armour is not of much use there as it gets destroyed . Aviation is not used much either . Second that the fighting is from buildings and bunkers across minefields , covered by various guns . Third that the conclusion is made against close armed combat . And lastly a punitive system is suggested for troops that suffer high casualties .

    I think the conclusion against close armed combat , is not justified . In such terrain , it maybe the only way to make progress . And I disagree strongly about punishment for units loosing men . I think those units with high losses , should be pulled back and replenished and given medals . I think , even in this difficult terrain , that routes can be identified , that offer the easiest approach . Then advance by infantry along those routes . I also think that Russia could accept volunteer troops from Iran military or other international groups , to engage in ground fighting .

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:34 pm

    @Backman
    The same happens in every US instigated civil war. This is why the Yugoslav wars were so bloody.
    There is a history of a bloodshed in our local wars. Blaming someone else for it would be just looking for excuses.

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