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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:23 pm

    "The American ambassador in Moscow has been told that in order to de-escalate the situation, the US should take steps to withdraw US & NATO military personnel and equipment from Ukraine - Russian Foreign Ministry"


    I know a better solution for the NATO infestation inside Ukraine.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:30 pm

    Only as long as he doesn't do something retarded like detonating nuclear bomb on Russian territory wrote:

    People have become too blase about the danger of nuclear war. Setting off a nuke will be a good reminder Maybe he should start a program. nuclear security for all and base nukes under Russian control in countries like Iran that may be provided if they are attacked by a NATO nation.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:33 pm

    I know a better solution for the NATO infestation inside Ukraine. wrote:


    So Grad you could come Laughing

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:36 pm

    Body double?

    Interesting, mind you in that light the pants look to be a different color!
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    Post  Backman Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:34 pm

    Will the US do this ? The ppl in Transnistria have held out for this long. Russia cannot betray them. Unlike the east Ukraine elite, these ppl really did hold out.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:39 pm

    Let the Ukrs try it and that Soros-doll in Moldova's capital dare to approve it.

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    Post  zorobabel Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:53 pm

    Large scale missile strikes hitting Donetsk, Debaltsevo, and Mariupol tonight. Rybar reports its the first use of precision GLSDB munitions by Ukraine.
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    Post  zorobabel Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:17 am

    Right now the only thing that can likely stop a Ukrainian move into Transnistria would be a rapid coup in Moldova. The US has been laying the groundwork for this activity over the last few months in Moldova, culminating in Sandu dissolving the cabinet due to threats of "Russian-backed takeover."

    She's therefore ruling without a government (undemocratically), which gives her the leeway to provide Ukraine with permission to attack Transnistria under the false pretense of a Russian threat against the government of Moldova.

    Biden's visit to the region of course coincides with all of this, and the Ukrops are no doubt salivating at the prospect of surrounding and capturing the Russian garrison there.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:19 am

    Well if it is, then that would expose more of their misinformation bullshit

    From the Wiki of the weapon:

    On 3 February 2023, the United States government announced an aid package for Ukraine as part of assistance during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine that would include the GLSDB which will be used in the Ukraine-operated HIMARS to hit Russian targets that had been moved out of GMLRS range. This will mark the weapon's first export and use in combat. However, since the weapon is not part of the U.S. military inventory and can't be launched from current Ukrainian equipment, it is estimated it could take up to nine months for Boeing and the U.S. government to agree on the terms of the contract and perform necessary retrofits on ground launchers.[14][15][16][17]

    Shortening 9 months to 2 weeks, huh, go figure.

    And this should be assumed for all their announcements.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:22 am

    Right now the only thing that can likely stop a Ukrainian move into Transnistria would be a rapid coup in Moldova. The US has been laying the groundwork for this activity over the last few months in Moldova, culminating in Sandu dissolving the cabinet due to threats of "Russian-backed takeover."

    She's therefore ruling without a government (undemocratically), which gives her the leeway to provide Ukraine with permission to attack Transnistria under the false pretense of a Russian threat against the government of Moldova.

    Biden's visit to the region of course coincides with all of this, and the Ukrops are no doubt salivating at the prospect of surrounding and capturing the Russian garrison there.

    They won't capture anything, you demoralized something or other. Pridnestrovie has its own military and its own reserves, and no-one will surrender Russian land or the people who live on it, or the people who defend it; not to Ukrainian nationalists, as not to anyone else. These people recall the fascist occupation during WW2, when their territory was renamed 'Transnistria' by the occupational authorities.

    While this bitch will be signing the end of the Moldovan state; the country will destabilize rapidly as soon as the first Ukrainian soldier crosses the border into Pridnestrovie. The war will spread to Moldova proper shortly after. Not that I doubt that she is capable of it. Such is the price of electing someone sponsored by the Empire of Lies.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:43 am

    Is Prigozin really saying this shit still ? He is the one airing this dirty laundery in public. I support Wagner. But if he doesn't start using the proper lines of communication and shutting the f#ck up in public , then he should be shot.

    It is becoming more apparent why Stalin had to knock so many of them off. The whole of Russian nationalist social media is calling for Shoigus head because of this. All because of some unverifiable hot air from Prigozin.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:47 am

    He's obviously not saying anything without cover from even more important people

    It remains to be seen what the deal with all this is.
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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:49 am

    While this bitch will be signing the end of the Moldovan state; the country will destabilize rapidly as soon as the first Ukrainian soldier crosses the border into Pridnestrovie wrote:

    But Ukraine troops wouldn't have to cross through Moldova proper. Aren't Transnistrians seen as separatists to regular Moldovans?

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:54 am

    Russian Defence Ministry has commented on the exalted statements, published on several sources, that the munition supplies to volunteers of the assault detachments, involved in the liberation of Artyomovsk (Donetsk People's Republic), are allegedly blocked.

    ◽ The Command of the Joint Group of Forces pays special, constant, and prioritised attention to providing volunteers and servicemen of assault detachments with all the necessary means within the special military operation.

    ◽ Over the past 48 hours, the assault detachments have advanced a total of over 2.5 kilometres towards the prepared defensive positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artyomovsk. The successful operations would have been impossible without entire fire support, provided to the offensive by the artillery, armoured hardware, and other firepower of the 'Yug' Group of Forces. Despite the difficult weather conditions near Artyomovsk, the Ground-Attack Aviation has performed 18 sorties to support the assault detachments' offensive operations over the recent days. This is why all the statements on the lack of ordnance, allegedly made by the assault detachments, have nothing to do with the reality.

    ◽ Thus, within the 48 hours from 18 to 20 February, the volunteers of the assault detachments have been provided with: 1,660 rocket-propelled projectiles for multiple-launch rocket systems, 10,171 projectiles for large-calibre cannon artillery systems and mortars; 980 projectiles for tanks.

    ◽ All the requests for resupplying assault detachments are implemented in the shortest time possible. This is the way it has been and will be.

    ◽ In the next few days, all the ordnance requests, applied for February, will be implemented for all the assault detachments. Since 25 February, all the range of ordnance will be delivered in accordance with the request, applied for March. In total, over the last year, the assault detachments' ordnance demands had been satisfied 140 percent of the requests received. This is our priority.

    ◽ We want to reiterate that both volunteers, and servicemen of assault detachments are bravely and selflessly liberating Donbass from the Kiev regime's militants. The attempts to split the mechanism of close cooperation and support between the units of the Russian Group of Forces are counterproductive, and only benefit the enemy.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:14 am

    But Ukraine troops wouldn't have to cross through Moldova proper. Aren't Transnistrians seen as separatists to regular Moldovans?

    They kind of live separately, but together as well, there is a lot of to and fro traffic, and Pridnestrovians vote at Moldovan elections.

    The point is though is that if a war starts in a separatist region of Moldova, it can't be contained to it. During the war in Pridnestrovie in the 90s, Gagauzians sent help there unofficially. It will be the same story again, but far more intense as the fighting will be far more intense.
    This whole move would also be ridiculously unconstitutional, there will be many in the Moldovan military, police and other structures who will not approve of it, regardless of how many have been purged by the current pro-Western authorities.
    The opposition parties will receive a huge boost - because regardless of whatever political sympathies, virtually no-one in Moldova wants the war in the Ukraine to come anywhere closer to them, especially not to a de-jure part of their own country with a huge risk of it spreading further. This is a decision that will be wildly unpopular.
    I don't see any possibility that the Sandu regime will be able to keep control of their own country if they cross the rubicon here. Events will develop of their own accord.

    Someone also earlier mentioned that a lot of Sandu's voting base is abroad in Europe.
    Well that's exactly correct. The sort of people who voted her in, and the same people who supported Moldovan nationalism in the 90s, or unionism with Romania - have left the country to work in the EU. While more of the pro-Russian population have stayed in the country, or go to Russia but not for as long periods of time. Thus while Sandu did get the votes, and only then - because she actually toned down anti-Russian rhetoric and tried to portray herself as a balanced leader - the actual situation on the ground is not as to her favour as the previous election results might have her believe.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:25 am

    If the newly built apartments get hit by US supplied missiles in Mariupol , then Putin has to respond with the gloves off. Like taking out the bridges in the Dniper. And air strikes on all government buildings in Kiev. What is there to save if Mariupol gets hit ? There's no reason to fight a diplomatic war.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:33 am

    @FP
    Pridnestrovie has its own military and its own reserves, and no-one will surrender Russian land or the people who live on it, or the people who defend it; not to Ukrainian nationalists, as not to anyone else.
    Wasn't most of the heavy equipment from Pridnestrovie transferred to Russia proper after armistice was signed?
    And Russian peacemakers don't have any artillery or heavy armour, as well. Due to it's geography, Pridnestrovie would be very hard to defend.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:43 am

    Wasn't most of the heavy equipment from Pridnestrovie transferred to Russia proper after armistice was signed?
    And Russian peacemakers don't have any artillery or heavy armour, as well. Due to it's geography, Pridnestrovie would be very hard to defend.

    You really think neither Russia or the PMR has thought through the scenario of Ukrainian invasion of the territory prior to the war? Russian Spetsnaz were holding exercises there regularly post-2014.

    About what weapons are there, I don't know, but presumably they have enough of what they need. The PMR military has its own tanks (T-64s), artillery and other things. The reservist pool in the PMR is up to some 80000, at least on paper, while in terms of a standing army they have 4 brigades of motor-rifles. The Ukrainians are not going to blitz through there, it doesn't matter how narrow the territory is. It's a little like the Donbass, heavily industrialized and heavily urbanized. If the Ukros try to approach it like the empty Kharkov region then they will be ambushed and shelled at every junction. The Ukrainians are capable of taking the territory in theory, but they would have to employ a large amount of reserves, and take their time. In practice, I'm pretty sure Russia will spoil any such dumb stunt.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:07 am

    @FP
    You really think neither Russia or the PMR has thought through the scenario of Ukrainian invasion of the territory prior to the war? Russian Spetsnaz were holding exercises there regularly post-2014.
    That's not really an answer to my question. Since you are Russian, I'm sure you can easily find an agreement on dissolving 14th army and withdrawal of all heavy equipment bar company of tanks. This was done due to the fact that Moldovan army didn't have almost any heavy weapons. Ukraine wasn't in the picture back then. As for ammo, part of it ( i believe about half) was transferred to Russia and then Ukraine situation began and transfer got postponed since.
    Moldovan army will not be the problem in this scenario, but Ukrainians will.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:15 am

    The answer is that I don't have anything to tell you as I don't know, and anyone that does know won't tell you.

    I rather suspect there is more than enough hardware there. And Moldova has had a pro-Russian government for years before this current Sandu one. Therefore what was withdrawn prior to 2014 may be only an academic detail.
    This region is not undefended; there has been 9 years by now to come up with strategies. If the Ukrainians decide to test those defenses, they'll only accelerate their downfall further.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:23 am

    "I don't know" is enough, so that we don't have to go through unnecessary back and forth.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:30 am

    It's also what I told you in my first reply, if you were to actually read through it properly.
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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:12 am

    Ukraine and Moldova should try taking Transnistria and it would be stupid for Ukraine not to do it. It would also give me hope that Belarus direction would open up. I don’t think lackluster attacks of Ukr infrastructure will be enough.


    I hate the nature of this war personally, grinding this and that, no one wants 100 years of war.


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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:12 am

    Mariupol is out of range for the normal HIMARS missiles, so presumably they've received a first batch of GLSDB, with the first ever combat test being to fire them at large cities indiscriminately. 100% intercept rate so far, no "arrivals" reported. wrote:

    This 'oh hey we're intercepting them so far' reaction isn't an appropriate F'ing response. They just want to scar up Mariupols newly built apartments and then make memes about it.

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