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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:35 pm





    About the comment above, it was the Germans and Ukrainians who were insanely cruel during Second World War.



    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html



    I am not a fan of the British, but calling them as "insanely cruel during WW2" is a bit going too far.



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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:44 pm

    Anybody know if there is any internal conflicts between Wagner and any people in Russian army or government ? Question Question Question Question

    I heard some people hypothesize that "Russian government use Wagner only for their military value and despise the far-right elements inside the Wagner units. So when the opportunity arose the government might implement some crackdowns against Wagner as a warning. And the pissed Wagner retaliated by posting sensitive statements about the battlefield". Are these hypotheses accurate or just Western propaganda ? Question Question Question Question
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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:35 pm

    There is a history of a bloodshed in our local wars. Blaming someone else for it would be just looking for excuses.

    Local wars in the Balkans is a bit of an oxymoron. It is a place where empires push up against each other. Not an excuse. Just reality.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:51 pm

    I am not a fan of the British, but calling them as "insanely cruel during WW2" is a bit going too far.

    I don't mean in a micro sense. Of course the Germans and Ukrainians were cruel pieces of shit in actual warfare. What Nazi soldiers did in Belarus was the most cruel thing in the war.  

    I mean the most blatant diplomatic actions and false flags that started, perpetuated and made wars longer than they had to be; nobody is worse than the British and the Anglosphere.
    Anglo soldiers were less cruel and bloodthirsty than Germans and Europeans in general. The same is probably true today. But what sits above them at the very top are the most vile scum the world has ever seen.

    They started this war. They started the world wars too.

    I am Canadian. I was a Canadian nationalist who liked the British monarchy. But I had to come to grips with this. Look at Zelensky visiting King Charles. Need I say more? Yeah sure. West Ukranians are assholes. But they couldn't have and wouldnt have done this themselves.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:04 pm

    From MoA

    Don't know if it represents "official" party line in China, but more than likely it does. US has kind of crossed the "fu#k around and find out line" with Taiwan and other provocations.

    https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1628025723297341441

    "China has every right to send arms to Russia, in their war effort against NATO.

    So, Mr. Putin, here's a catalogue of Chinese weapons you might be interested.

    Payments can be in the form of discounted natural gas..."


    There's a lot of interesting stuff in that thread. Automated drone swarms, new drones for carrying high precision weapons, more surface-to-surface stuff, anti-radar loitering munitions for SEAD, fire-and-forget ATGMs etc.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:16 pm

    We talked about that a while ago John Smile

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:23 pm

    The Ukrainian side of my family had plenty of stories about the Bandera folks, and I heard they were more feared than the German nazis themselves. Just crueller, and that's an achievement.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:41 pm

    My grandmothers' stories were about how the Germans were civilized and gallant.
    Because they were just killing the people.
    Not like the Ukrs.
    Imagine the state, when just killing is a measure of humanity.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:42 pm

    nomadski wrote:Kill them ? What will that achieve ?

    It will achieve them being dead and no longer being a problem

    Dead people don't cause problems, don't need convincing and are not a pain in the ass


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:46 pm



    Russia will be torn apart if it stops the special operation without achieving victory — Medvedev

    Smartest statement that came out of Russia in ages

    They should keep this fact in mind at all times



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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm

    Automated drone swarms,
    Currently those drone swarms are of shorter range and can only attack a handful of targets at once. Because that is the main purpose of drone swarms, overwhelming
    air defence in a small area.

    I would prefer a truck mounted with 20 or so launchers for Lancet drones so that they can be launched rapidly against different targets. Not a swarm, just able
    to hit multiple targets in short time.

    Also before someone begins to think about buying untested stuff from foreign countries, just shorten the testing time of home made stuff and accelerate the
    state acceptance trials. There is a bunch of weapon systems shown in the Army exhibitions and on parades that could be put into service rapidly, including 
    Derivatsiya-PVO or the Kinzhal and Epokha turrets.

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:19 pm

    The pic Prigozin posted is the biggest propaganda own goal of the war and that is saying something. It is treasonous. And total disrespect for the families of the dead.

    He has to be punished. He's a loose cannon f*cking idiot. And be no longer has my support.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:20 pm

    Backman wrote:
    Interesting comment made by Khodakovsky re Wagner and general problems with ammunition:

    None of this shit should be aired in public.

    None of this shit should be happening

    Wars are supposed to be planned in advance

    If airing it in public is the last remaining option of fixing the fuckup then go for it, definitely better than ignoring the problem and letting incompetent morons get away with it



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    Post  mnztr Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:22 pm

    About the comment above, it was the Germans and Ukrainians who were insanely cruel during Second World War. wrote:

    I am not sure if anyone out crueled the Japanese. Cruelty is so stupid. Its not long before your enemy clues in to this, then you are facing and enemy that will fight to the death. You should ALWAYS keep in mind that you want surrender to be a good choice for your enemy. The worse you make it for your prisoners the worse it will be for you.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:25 pm

    And be no longer has my support.

    That will devastate him.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:50 pm

    He might be a loose cannon to a point but he's getting results the Russian army has problems getting

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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:01 pm

     Anybody know if there is any internal conflicts between Wagner and any people in Russian army or government ?  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question 

    I heard some people hypothesize that "Russian government use Wagner only for their military value and despise the far-right elements inside the Wagner units. So when the opportunity arose the government might implement some crackdowns against Wagner as a warning. And the pissed Wagner retaliated by posting sensitive statements about the battlefield". Are these hypotheses accurate or just Western propaganda ? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39 - Page 6 Icon_question


    Interpretation is wrong. Thing is very simple, as said by Prigozhin - pencil pushers and bureaucrats who have no clue what is going on the ground. No one gives a crap about any element in Wagner, nor MOD wants to destroy them. He went public because he is absolutely pissed off. He states, that wagner needs more shells than army due to them being in high intensity warfare and army taking a smoke break.

    Prigozhin is very well connected and I am sure he will get what he wants/needs. Last year they also had shortages, but they were provided with what they need and now it’s the same shit again


     He might be a loose cannon to a point but he's getting results the Russian army has problems getting”


    In what way he’s a loose cannon? Apart from few circus moments, he seems to be speak sense. He is not some new bloke, but been in the circles for decades. Loose cannons don’t last that long


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:05 pm

    Wagner made many advancements in the past 2 days. They quite demonstrably aren't "out of ammunition" or whatever.

    Prigozhin is a clever troll, he's been trolling nonstop, but perhaps the troll part got the upper hand just now, not sure.

    Difficult to say what's legit concerns and what is stuff they just want outsiders to think.

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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:08 pm


    @regular, heres your answer

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    Post  limb Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:09 pm

    "If youre about to break through enemy lines of a force superior in size, lower the amount of ammunition for your attacking forces"
    - Shoi Gu

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    Post  par far Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:15 pm

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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:29 pm

    Limb, yeah, but Russian supply system should be more flexible than this. They don’t take a fact that Wagner are more active than other branches or what? 

    Wagner are doing so much lately and with their feats they make rest of the army look timid. Not to say, that Ukrainians fear them, especially the foreigners. It would be big loss for Russia to exhaust them.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:01 am

    Missile now in a Russian laboratory Smile

    https://southfront.org/in-video-himars-missile-hit-russian-control-post-near-ugledar/

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    Post  Backman Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:16 am

    @Alamo
    And be no longer has my support. That will devastate him. wrote:

    So you'd support his antics no matter what he does ? Are you dine with the pic he posted ?
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    Post  Regular Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:33 am

    That video posted by John, wow, what a bad luck for that soldier, probably was pulled apart in his sleep, what a shitty way to die

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