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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:24 pm

    PR win for Russia. Except in the west, of course.  Rolling Eyes
    Russia will establish a ceasefire along the frontline. Russian troops will shoot back, but for the next two days there will be no big offensive
    or massive air attacks.
    Bakhmut, Soledar and other areas are not "big". Fighting there will propably continue. Or the Ukros use the chance and raise white flags.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:25 pm

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    This is the reason why the big offensive is on hold.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:35 pm

    What fucking one-sided ceasefire

    Morons

    Putin is living on some separate planet. If he wants to cosplay Nikolai II he can do it in private not in front of the country and the enemy, thank you.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:36 pm

    Every attack against Russia is a reflection of the failure to successfully interdict NATO aid. Every rail line form the west and bridge is a pipeline of death that is being allowed to operate. I really do not get why there is not a nightly strike on all transport links from the West. These are not defendable with the assets Ukraine has. Just randomly cut these links daily at different spots.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:49 pm

    Maybe it will be one of those rare ruses by Putin. Like when he said nothing would be bombed in the Odessa port. And they believed him. But Russia bombed parts of it anyway.

    That's what i would do anyway.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:58 pm

    The critics expect that Ukria will just shell Russian troops and that they will not shoot back. Rather detached from reality is such thinking.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:09 pm

    A 36 cease fire......lawls I can't even
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:15 pm

    Well. Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:38 pm

    Kyiv refused to support Russia's proposed Christmas truce, 01.05.2023.

    Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Danilo announced the refusal of Kyiv from the proposed truce by Russia.

    MOSCOW, January 5 - RIA Novosti. The Kiev authorities refuse to comply with the Christmas truce proposed by Russia, Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, said on the air of Channel 24.

    "No negotiations with them, neither about a truce, nor about any date, it has nothing to do with us," he said.

    Earlier Thursday, Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Rus' proposed establishing a Christmas truce from 12:00 on January 6 to 24:00 on January 7 so that "Orthodox people can attend services on Christmas Eve and on the day of the Nativity of Christ."

    President Vladimir Putin then instructed Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to impose a ceasefire along the entire line of contact in Ukraine at a specified time. In accordance with this instruction, a ceasefire order was issued to the Russian troops.

    The head of state has repeatedly noted that Moscow does not seek to spin the flywheel of the Ukrainian conflict, but to end it. According to him, Russia has always been open to dialogue, if the Kyiv regime matures before that.

    https://ria.ru/20230105/peremirie-1843194722.html

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:41 pm

    Yeah, not a good idea to instruct your troops for a cease fire if the enemy won't.

    Vietnam took advantage of their new years against American troops and hit 11 bases or so at same time.

    Putin isn't an idiot but sure makes head scratching moves that just wastes time and allows the enemy to reinforce itself or make gains when they shouldn't be able to.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:51 pm

    Why Kyiv rejected the Christmas truce, by Mikhail Moshkin for VZGLYAD. 01.05.2023

    Vladimir Putin supported the proposal of Patriarch Kirill to introduce a truce in the special operation zone during the celebration of the Nativity of Christ. The cease-fire must be in effect from 1200 hours on 6 January to 2400 hours on 7 January. The Ukrainian side was also urged to give people in the war zone the opportunity to safely visit the temples, but Kyiv responded with a categorical refusal to all proposals for a truce. Experts see in this behavior of the Ukrainian authorities clear signs of de-Christianization.

    On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a ceasefire along the entire line of contact in the special operation zone in Ukraine. The message on the Kremlin website says: given the appeal of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill, the President instructed Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to cease fire for Christmas time - from 12 noon on January 6 to midnight on January 7.

    “Based on the fact that a large number of citizens professing Orthodoxy live in the areas of hostilities, we call on the Ukrainian side to declare a ceasefire and give them the opportunity to attend services on Christmas Eve, as well as on the Day of the Nativity of Christ,” the message said. press service of the head of state.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ordered the introduction of a ceasefire along the line of contact for 36 hours.

    Patriarch Kirill suggested establishing a Christmas truce , an idea the primate of the Russian Orthodox Church came up with on Thursday afternoon. Earlier, on the last day of 2022, the Patriarch urged  to pray for peace to come next year and good relations between peoples to return.

    “The call of the patriarch has been heard. Thank God!" - Vladimir Legoyda, head of the synodal department for relations between the church, society and the media of the Moscow Patriarchate, reacted to Putin's decision in his Telegram channel.

    A completely different reaction to the proposal of the head of the Russian Orthodox Church followed from Kyiv. Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the office of President Vladimir Zelensky , wrote in his microblog that the Russian Orthodox Church is allegedly not an authority and is engaged in propaganda. The official accused the Russian Orthodox Church of calling for "even greater militarization of the Russian Federation," Kommersant notes . Podolyak later commented on the Christmas termination as well, stating that a "temporary truce" would only be possible when Russia left the "occupied territories".

    In the evening of the same day, an official statement was made by the head of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov. "Ukraine will not conduct any negotiations with Russia on a Christmas truce," he said.

    Kyiv's rude refusal to cease fire during the holiday, which is celebrated by the Orthodox in both Russia and Ukraine, is quite understandable, given the nature of the ideology that dominates Kyiv, emphasizes Vladimir Rogov, leader of the Zaporozhye movement "Together with Russia". “Obviously, any, even the worst world, when people do not die, is better than military operations,” Rogov told the VZGLYAD newspaper. But, he emphasized, the appeal to Christian values ​​is actually useless for those who are essentially a pagan, if not a Satanist. “The mockery to which the Kyiv authorities subject the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church is well known. They attack priests, rob, kill,” Rogov stressed.

    As the VZGLYAD newspaper noted earlier, the church, which by its very existence reminds us that the real history looked completely different from what Ukrainian nationalists paint it, has recently been increasingly under attack. Attacks are coming both from individual “activists” (for example, on January 2, the rector of the UOC church in Vinnitsa was seriously wounded ), and from the state: on Thursday, it was announced that two cathedrals of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra were transferred to the ownership of the Ukrainian state.

    “Christianity is being replaced by the worship of pagan gods – from historical characters like Stepan Bandera to a generalized image of a certain Mother Ukraine. The image of her in the form of a young girl with a wreath on her head is seriously becoming the subject of a cult,” said Rogov. The publication of the portal Lenta.ru noted that in the Lviv region, military priests - chaplains of the self-proclaimed "Orthodox Church of Ukraine" (OCU), sang a song glorifying Bandera. In the Uniate (Greek Catholic) Church of the Mother of God of Perpetual Help in Lviv, a fresco depicting Euromaidan activists appeared back in 2015, Komsomolskaya Pravda reported .

    Rogov emphasizes that the outbreaks of violence on Maidan in 2014 coincided with Christian holidays. “On the day of the Archangel and Archangel Michael, the heavenly patron of Kyiv, the Maidan began. The first deaths in January 2014 occurred during the week of Christmas. The feast of the Epiphany, on January 19, the militants turned into “baptism of fire” - “baptism of fire”, when Molotov cocktails began to be used in full force, Rogov lists.

    Therefore, this Christmas from the other side we should not expect a truce, but new shelling, terrorist attacks, and other crimes.

    In any case, there can be no peace, no peace agreements on their part.”

    A similar opinion is shared by the deputy of the Moscow City Duma, journalist Andrei Medvedev. “Those who worship their new pagan deities like Mother Ukraine or Bandera don’t celebrate Christmas,” Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel. - And if they do, it is very peculiar - remember how the nativity scene was decorated with figures of Biden and Bandera, and the father of the UPA * was larger than Maria and Joseph. Where the greeting “Glory to Jesus Christ” has been replaced with “Glory to Ukraine”, no one will pay attention to the Christmas truce.”

    Moreover, Medvedev added, the Uniates celebrated the holiday back in December - for Greek Catholics it falls on December 25, and coincides with Roman Catholic Christmas. Zelensky, we recall, congratulated Catholics and Uniates on the holiday.

    In fact, Ukraine long ago created a cult of death and worships it, emphasizes MP Medvedev, who compared the image of "Ukraine-Mother" with the Indian pagan goddess Kali, who was revered as the deity of death and destruction. “It's not that there are no Orthodox people in Ukraine. Millions. But they do not decide what to do,” the Russian deputy noted. Medvedev is sure that "there will be a truce with those Orthodox people who live in Ukraine, and even, unfortunately, are fighting in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine." “More like peace. After our victory,” the politician added.

    As for the current proposal of Moscow on a truce, this is precisely an offer to the enemy, and not a unilateral refusal to conduct hostilities, according to the publication of the MIG Russia Telegram channel. “A truce is not bayonets to the ground,” the publication emphasizes. “Well, if on one Christmas Eve the missiles and Geraniums don’t fly to Kyiv or somewhere else, this will definitely not change the course of the NWO.”

    Recall that since the beginning of hostilities in the Donbass in 2014, the people's republics have repeatedly put forward initiatives to declare a truce, timed to coincide with a particular holiday (New Year, Easter) or an event - harvesting or the beginning of the school year. The ceasefire initiatives were regularly thwarted by the Ukrainian side. For example, the school truce announced in August 2017 did not last even an hour. The shelling of Donetsk and Dokuchaevsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine marked the first day of the grain truce in June 2018.

    As military correspondent Alexander Kots noted in April last year, Russia made the right decision when it rejected the proposal of UN Secretary General António Guterres on an Easter truce, explaining this decision by the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using the ceasefire to regroup forces. “We passed all these truces in the Donbass,” Kots noted on this occasion. - And New Year's, and Easter, and bread, and school, and complete, and comprehensive. And each time, Kyiv used these truces to regroup and bring up fresh forces. Moreover, it is on religious holidays that Ukraine has always staged bloody provocations. The first one was for Easter 2014, at Bylbasovka, near Slavyansk.” Then, we recall, the militants of the “Right Sector *” shot down a checkpoint of the DPR militia on Easter night.

    * The organization (organizations) have been liquidated or their activities are prohibited in the Russian Federation.

    https://vz.ru/society/2023/1/5/1193815.html

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:04 pm

    Honestly, my take is that it's a circumstantial bullseye. I might be wrong, I am sometimes. But:

    It just happens that Orthodox Christmas coincides right now with a cold weather front moving into the Donbass, with temps set to drop below -10C over the weekend. It will take a while for the ground to freeze properly, but on Sunday hard ground will be a certain in the Bakhmut-Soledar-Kramatorsk-Slavyansk area.

    No particular big offensive actions on the ground would have been taken anyway, and if they have to respond to any UA fire (and UA will fire, and they will respond) they can call them anti-Christian, disrespectful truce breakers.

    Bit of a show for certain audiences.

    UA has of course been a constant breaker of all treaties, truces, promises of all kinds. Hell, their entire nation post-Maidan is the result of a broken promise (the 21st of February agreement, that was agreed but immediately was shat upon by the far-right), and they've been like that since. Russia naturally knows this. But because it paints Ukraine in a bad light it's been sugarcoated, or simply suppressed and ignored in the entire western world. The rest of the world hasn't been subjected to this kind of propaganda/manipulation though (esp China, India, Brazil, Argentina, etc).

    Once the "Christmas truce" is over, it just happens to coincide with a ripe opportunity for proper ground assaults in multiple directions, by forces that have been amassing recently but haven't moved into the fray yet.

    I could be dead wrong, it could just be Putin being naive and soft again, an attempt at goodwill for the hundredth time that will be answered the same as always by NATO and the EU (and Kiev) - Russia getting taken advantage of. Time will tell.


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    Post  franco Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:15 pm

    https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1611029398291091456

    We've written about the upcoming reorganization of the Ukrainian army, reducing the number of anti-tank and rocket artillery divisions in AFU brigades.

    Men of the disbanded divisions, first of all officers, will be sent to the 239th Combined Arms Range in Novomoskovsk.

    Col. Kokorev, deputy commander of the united command "East" (A1314), ordered the officer staff of the abolished divisions of the 53, 54, 92, 93, 17 AFU brigades (units A1302, A0501, A3283, A0536, A0693) to arrive at the 239th Range by 10:00 on January 8.

    Within ten days, the disbanded units will become part of the newly established 10th Army Corps (AC) in Dnipropetrovsk Region, and some will be re-staffed with mobilized personnel and sent back to the front line in the regular brigades.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:19 pm

    UN welcomes 36-hour ceasefire ordered by Putin in Ukraine, 01.05.2023.

    A spokesman for the organization says that Christmas is a sacred period and that respecting the date with the cessation of all hostilities is always a welcome possibility.

    The United Nations (UN) has welcomed Russian President Vladimir Putin's proposal for 36 hours of peace and cessation of hostilities in Ukraine, UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said on Thursday.

    "Christmas represents a sacred period for both Russians and Ukrainians. The possibility of this sacred period being respected with the cessation of all hostilities is always welcomed by the secretary-general, knowing that this will not replace a just peace in accordance with the UN Charter and international law," Dujarric said.

    Earlier, Putin ordered Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to start the ceasefire along the entire contact line in Ukraine from 12: 00 (06: 00 BST) on Friday (6) until 24: 00 (18: 00 BST) on Saturday (7). This was announced in an official Kremlin statement.

    Putin urged Kiev to adhere to the ceasefire to allow worshippers to attend masses in celebration of Christmas. Orthodox Christmas is celebrated every year on the eve of January 7, different from Catholic Christmas, which takes place on the eve of December 25, due to the calendar difference between the two Christian denominations.

    However, Kiev has decided that it will not accept the truce announced by Putin, according to Aleksei Danilov, Ukraine's National Security Secretary.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:41 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:42 pm

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    Wagner advancing
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    upcoming reorganization
    Nice term for loosing 500 to 1.000 troops a day.   Laughing
    5 Brigades which lost 70% of their troops will now form a "Corps".  Laughing
    Reminds me of the mighty armies some german leader was moving around on his maps.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 pm

    Reminds me of the mighty armies some german leader was moving around on his maps.

    WO IST STEINER ????
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:12 pm

    "Das war ein BEFEHL! DER ANGRIFF STEINERS WAR BEFEHL!"

    Indeed.

    Anyway, the recently announced NATO deliveries to Ukraine, as well as Zaluzhnyis never-ending requests actually say something fundamental that I don't think people realize. Namely that:

    Russia completely destroyed the entire Ukrainian army that existed prior to February 2022. And that was not a small army, Europe's largest (sans Russia's own), in fact.

    Russia has in addition to that completely destroyed another army over the course of 2022, one that was built up since February 2022 with full-on NATO help.

    Now Zaluzhnyi is asking for an entire 3rd army to be gifted to him, while Ukraine is on its 9th mobilization/forced conscription drive. 16 year olds and 60 year olds, the guys in between are running out.


    This is basically what it would have looked like if the Third Reich had any friends able to lend them anything by 1945.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:43 pm

    The ceasefire is a great PR move. NATO and Ukroreich fuehrer Zelensky and the devils in Kiev get painted badly. Plus, if they shell Ru AF positions or cities Putin can call for a corrective demolition of most of Ukraine on the 8th

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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:43 pm

    They need a new army but they are still yapping about launching major offensives to recapture Melitopol, etc.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:44 pm

    Does anyone get the feeling that the Russian govt seeks to stretch out this war? I can think of a few reasons for this. basically liquidating the Ukraine military, and depleting western arsenals and treasuries. Its allows them to fight a war of attrition against NATO and cause all kinds of friction within NATO at low risk. At the same time once this is done, everyone will know Article 5 is just words on paper and nothing more.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:57 pm

    Well, they did openly say that when Surovikin became head commander of this conflict.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:01 pm

    The ceasefire is a great PR move. NATO and Ukroreich fuehrer Zelensky and the devils in Kiev get painted badly. Plus, if they shell Ru AF positions or cities Putin can call for a corrective demolition of most of Ukraine on the 8th

    What PR move? With who?

    With the Russian population, who will be scratching their heads about why Putin is offering a Christmas truce to a country with a Jewish president following a heretical church and trying to get rid of Orthodox Christmas altogether?
    With the Ukrainian soldiers maybe, who will surely be reminded of their Christian faith and realize who the real enemy is?
    Or is it a PR move to the Western countries, who don't give a shit and want Russia to die?
    Or the Global South which is mostly non-Christian and doesn't know Christmas on the 7th of January is even a thing?

    No sorry, unless this really is part of a cunning plan then Putin is just being a cuck and providing an opportunity to the enemy that can be taken advantage of.
    Not the most critical mistake. But these things add up. Avoid giving the enemy 3 days of reprieve to resupply and reposition if you don't have to.

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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:15 pm

    And why in the hell would Russia even announce this ceasefire now, after Ukraine killed a whole bunch of Russians using HIMARS? Really? You want to give these nazi bastards a goodwill gesture after that catastrophic event? It makes no sense. What Putin/Surovikin should've announced is a massive new bombing campaign to avenge the patriotic heroes who lost their lives this week.

    I don't understand what trying to be "fair" and "nice" and "diplomatic" is gonna do for the Russians right now. The other side doesn't give two-shits about that now. They want Russia humiliated and defeated. Yet Russia is playing too much patty-cake with their enemies and I don't see the benefits it gets Russia. It does nothing for them but embolden their enemies to take even more advantage of them in this very critical time in the war.
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    Post  Regular Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:17 pm

    Russian gov sucks at PR. Luckily for them, PR doesn’t win wars.

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