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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:17 pm

    Typical Western view of the current state of the conflict.

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    10 months and 1 week after Moscow started its 3-day special operations misadventure inside the Ukraine and they really are on the backfoot:

    1)    In the north of the Kharkiv Oblast, Moscow is getting pushed back, having advanced around 20 miles of the Oskil river (a natural defensive line, which they reached in September and where Moscow really should have held the line) at the city of Kreminna, there is talk that the Ukraine has captured it.

    2)    In the centre, for some very strange reason, Moscow has spent the past 4 to 5 months trying to capture the city of Bakhmut, which despite all the extra troops it has deployed to take the city, has suffered huge losses resulting in this past week of Kyiv actually taking back lost ground (The videos and photos from the city show a death toll that would bring down any western government , one photo alone shows 19 dead Russian troops, another (recent video clip) shows a UAV using a thermal camera to track a squad of Russian troops (remember its winter, so cold) allowing Gunners to take them out. Another video clip (yesterday) shows a loitering munition tracking a speeding APC (BMP2 I think) from above its starboard side dropping down behind it and racing to strike it in the rear, a rear which has its clam shell doors open and which clearly shows a bloke sat in the back and another on the turret trying to shoot it down.

    3)    At the bottom, Moscow appears to have made some progress against the city of Malinka , the thing is, it is 14 miles to the centre of Malinka from the centre of Donetsk city, so hardly anything to write home about.

    4)    In the south east, the Ukraine has taken to hitting concentrations of Russian troops with uncanny accuracy (usually inside R&R Hotels) , as well as striking ammo dumps, HQs and lines of communication. Leading Moscow to presume that the Ukraine is going to strike there next cutting the land bridge to the Crimea which kind of explains why Sat photos show they have completely fortified the city of Tokmak and the town of Kam’yanka

    5)    Following on from the strike on Engels airbase 2 nights ago (duty rumour has it 5 TU95 jets were damaged , 17 blokes killed , 21 injured and control tower destroyed, having watched the street cameras videos of the explosions, (with sound) I would rather believe that claim than the report issued by Moscow that they shot the missile down and the debris killed 3 people) Moscow (Like it did in the Crimea) has started relocating aircraft further away from the area. Which kind of explains the rash of missile and arty strikes on the city of Kherson yesterday.

    6)    For some reason Moscow still peddles the line of nothing more than unconditional surrender , yes I can see that is just for Western public consumption and things like the British PM asking for an audit of British Aid to the Ukraine doesn’t help. I mean the last poll inside the Ukraine (last week) had 78% of those surveyed voting for the Ukraine to continue fighting.
     
    Well its almost a new year, I expect to see the Ukraine open a completely new front and retake another huge swath of land back from Russia, something I expect Moscow is expecting and dreading simply as the quality of its troops is less than that of British army cadets , which might explain the 100 odd T90M in Belrus, which I feel would be used as a distraction in which to put the brakes on any Ukrainian thrust.

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    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/nato-hq-goes-lights-out-in-solidarity-with-ukraine/

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    Post  Regular Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm

    Flaming_Python wrote: Such mini-suicide drones on the front are bad news regardless of who introduces them

    Russia needs to get some EW systems in support to jam this crap, except for the frequencies used by its own drones, changed frequently, and employed at certain time intervals. Else it should be a sea of intense static.

    Ukrainians do complain about heavy Russian EW. They can’t use drones with 2.4-5gHZ frequencies in some places. Latest Ukrainian FPVs usage is most likely using short range <1gHZ close to frontlines and in defence where Russian EW is patchy. What worries me most - they started to use large FOV drones with RPG warhead attached to them.

    Very cheap, impossible to shoot down, impossible to see until it’s too late, much more effective than Javelins or any other ATGMs, suicide drones even cheaper than commercial ones, the problem is that they are short range and eventually useless when Krasnukha rolls up (but then again, it jams friendlies too)

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:20 pm

    garryb wrote:
    But have a good sulk... obviously Russia is in the shit and the sky is falling... if only the west wasn't so right about how evil and bad Russia and Russians were, if only Russia was a bit stronger so it couldn't care less what the west thinks...

    I'm not saying Russia is in the shit, and I'm also not saying the west is doing well

    What I am saying, is that most of these incidents are due to some kind of negligence

    Little details that are overlooked , or tasks left for a later day which result in consequences when there is an accident

    And leaving aside the engels base attack, there are plenty of other examples, of high profile accidents at strategic enterprises, or with advanced equipment

    Which does occur in every other country, but also occurs in Russia at a higher occurrence and which seems like could have been avoided if lessons from the first time it happened were applied to other bases, submarines, ships, docks, piers, carriers, and so on

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:35 pm

    If anyone thinks that there will be another Russian offensive in Ukraine, they are wrong.

    This conflict will most likely end when moderate Ukrainians on Kievs side eliminate Zelensky and all the pro western thugs that bully him into his anti Russian policies, and can then talk to Russia without Europe or the US even being a party to the talks, because we saw what impartial European mediation and influence did to the Minsk agreements.

    I don't think they will bother with an offensive right now... they have minimal losses and are killing enemy forces at a steady and steep rate that Kiev actually cannot cope with... they are essentially destroying their own future with no hopes of that even gaining them anything... they think strength comes from a minor advance or occupying territory the Russians just pulled back from, and that they can trade that strength in negotiations to get the Russians to leave... and it doesn't work like that.

    The people in these four regions have said they want to be Russians... Kiev have made being Ukrainian a dirty word for them...

    Russia needs to end this quickly , within months or a year .

    It is the west that is suffering... it is the west struggling to work out who or what to sanction that they have not already sanctioned... there are actually lots of things, but many are off limits because those things benefit the west way more than Russia... but then that didn't stop them sanctioning cheap energy but they have been ruining that for some time.

    The Ukrainian people need to end this by cutting their strings to the west and getting rid of the nutters in power... not easy... if it was the UK and France and Germany and the US and New Zealand and Australia and all the countries of the west would have done it and had governments that actually care about their interests instead of paying back favours to the very rich people who got them into power.

    They cannot return home as they would likely be killed and seek asylum. They were offering themselves as volunteers to fight in exchange for a decent living condition in exchange for their services. Apparently they reached an agreement with Russia.

    What a gift NATO has given Russia!

    I don't doubt their ability to fight, but I would wonder about their behaviour on the battlefield and treatment of enemy prisoners... I mean they have US training... like the Orcs... so the Russians would have to untrain them in their barbarism and then teach them to be human.

    I am also quite certain that Poland will intervene in the conflict in April or May if there are signs of major territorial losses for Ukraine.
    Then they can justify an operation to "protect" Ukrainian civilians in western Ukraine.

    Russia should make it clear that if Poland wants to cross into Ukrainian territory then they become legitimate targets because they wont have UN resolutions or UNSC resolutions to allow such actions... Ironically their claims would likely be to go in to save the Polish population from Russian oppression... which is exactly what Russia is doing and what the Poles armed the Orcs to fight against.

    If the Poles go in they are fair targets... all of Poland the way all of Russia seems to be fair targets and Article 5 of HATO does not cover protecting allies that invade other countries and get massacred because of that.

    Not sure why they are doing this now.

    They are no longer working as meat shields where they are, so withdraw them for use as cannon fodder and hostages later as they get inevitably pushed back even further.

    Like a scorched earth policy but with people.

    By the way, NATO doesn't do it any better! And Russia is learning from its mistakes. Better to learn now in the conflict than when you are really in direct conflict with the whole of NATO.

    They are learning lots of invaluable lessons, but then they were always quite smart... those Iranian drone designs were not shipped to Russia, they decided to produce them some time ago and they modified the design to incorporate their own components... essentially they did with the Iranian drone what they did with the Israeli Forepost drone...

    Typical Western view of the current state of the conflict.

    A UK defence journal interested in funding and not interested in reality is why western military forces are so disfunctional... they are more interested in propaganda than the reality in the field so of course they are going to get kicked out of Afghanistan and Iraq and soon Syria and Yemen and all the other places they send "advisors" and troops where they are no longer welcome.

    Just really sad.

    The inevidable result of yes man syndrome. Yes man syndrome happened in companies where the CEO was narcissistic and didn't like to hear the truth... just to hear how wonderful they were and how amazing their ideas were, so they fired anyone who questioned the CEO and just filled the company board with yes men, so to stay on the board you said yes to whatever the CEO wanted to do no matter how stupid and bizarre, and so instead of reason and thought and knowledge of the company and customer, the board members just said yes to any hair brained idea the CEO came up with... or their therapist came up with...

    The result was of course stupid investments or directions for the company that made the company go bankrupt and everyone loses their job.

    It seems the western culture is non confrontational... you are either with me or you are wrong... there can be no discussion, no debate, you wont argue, you will just get fired and someone else will take your job so agree on alphabet people or you will never rise in the ranks to any position... people learn very quickly what to say and what to think in public... the US government trained the US media very quickly too... you follow our line and don't question it or you don't get the brief and all your competitors will beat you to the stories... print what we tell you and don't think about it... no critical thinking is allowed or you are no longer part of the gang... you are on your own...


    What I am saying, is that most of these incidents are due to some kind of negligence

    Really, is that your expert opinion?

    In your world there are no accidents and no mistakes... someone has to be fired if something bad happens because you are a child and can't accept bad things happening... we have to blame someone because accidents don't happen any more if you blame people for things they can't control... Rolling Eyes

    And leaving aside the engels base attack, there are plenty of other examples, of high profile accidents at strategic enterprises, or with advanced equipment

    Hahahaha... high profile accidents... like 11/9... these things are not fucking accidents... someone is actively planning for these things to happen, but you think they can all be stopped just by people doing their jobs properly... right.

    Which does occur in every other country, but also occurs in Russia at a higher occurrence and which seems like could have been avoided if lessons from the first time it happened were applied to other bases, submarines, ships, docks, piers, carriers, and so on

    Well the west has been openly and covertly trying to destroy Russia the last 300 odd years, so accidents and problems might happen a little more often for them, but I don't agree with that... the west tends to cover up or ignore their own problems and accidents, yet shine a spotlight and highlight and repeat any little problem Russia might have.

    You would think after trillions of dollars and 20 years that the withdrawal from Afghanistan by the US and HATO would rate higher as a humiliation than the ordered withdrawal from Kiev by Russian forces ordered to do so because they were in range of enemy artillery and the enemy forces had been damaged enough to reduce their mobility so the Orc force no longer needed to be held there... but reading western reports all Russians should hang their heads in shame that they didn't remain around Kiev and continue to take casualties to artillery to no real benefit. Equally Snake Island is a funny one... the constantly were wiped out there by Orc forces, which later turned out attempts to take the island were wiped out at great cost to the Orc forces, which made it useful to hold because those were mostly Orc Naval Infantry forces they were killing in large numbers... easier to kill in groups in landing boats and helicopters than in bunkers and trenches in the Donbass... but then Snake Island came under artillery fire range and so holding it lost its value so they left... another humiliation... what a joke.

    It seems words mean anything the west want them to mean.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:52 pm

    It seems words mean anything the west want them to mean.

    Stalingrad's struggle lasted for about seven months and was carried out by almost 3 million strong army groups at the end.
    Led to total destruction of 6th and 8th Axis armies, and broke the neck of German advances not worse than Kursk battle that was supposed to follow shortly.

    Contact with reality and history can be much helpful for both domestic doomers and NAFO incels.

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:16 pm

    Residents will be sent to the Ternopil and Cherkasy regions.
    They´re taking hostages.

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    From the "experts" of Rybar.
    To point 2: the UAF only exists because the west keeps sending planes and spare parts.
    Last point: the only side using S-300 missiles against ground targets are the UkroNazis.

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    Post  diabetus Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:45 pm

    "Hahahaha... high profile accidents... like 11/9... these things are not fucking accidents."

    Does someone have to remind you that there wasn't a second identical attack to 9/11 a few weeks after?
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    Post  limb Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:02 pm

    Same as those dead bodies posted near by MTLB in Bakhmut were all Wagner, not Ukrainian. Posted from Ukrainian drone footage where they shell them and drop bomblets for days. It’s self own to use enemy’s material like that
    Theres no proof that they were wagner. The dead bodies uniforms are lighter, and look ukrainian.

    These are actual dead wagners or RF soldiers around bakhmut:
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/3822

    60 dead in 2 days for maybe a few dozen meters advanced.

    Agree about the rest.

    They´re taking hostages.


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    From the "experts" of Rybar.
    To point 2: the UAF only exists because the west keeps sending planes and spare parts.
    Last point: the only side using S-300 missiles against ground targets are the UkroNazis.

    You edited out the part where rybar says that russian PVO isnt actually an IADS because air defense batteries up to this day still cannot share or recieve surveillance or targeting info from other batteries, because the russians never developed such a system. Every battery is alone.

    rybar wrote:🔻Insufficient level of interaction with other branches and types of troops. Along with the inoperative identification system, this more than once led to “friendly fire”, to the point that almost all (!) Su-34, Su-35S and Su-30SM aircraft lost since the spring, as well as part of the Ka-52 helicopters, are “on account" of the Russian air defense.

    🔻The absence in the troops of an automated control system (ACS) and warning, similar to the Ukrainian "Virage-Tablet". For this reason, each battery and sometimes even the crew operate independently of each other, without having operational data on the air situation in other areas.

    https://t.me/rybar/42329

    Rybar has  a lot more accurate info than you, mercouris, the bloated saker, etc. who claim every day in the last 3 months that bakhmut is about to fall and that theres an epic russian counteroffensive coming just 3 days away.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:07 pm

    Hole wrote:From the "experts" of Rybar.
    To point 2: the UAF only exists because the west keeps sending planes and spare parts.
    Last point: the only side using S-300 missiles against ground targets are the UkroNazis

    Also point 3... All TB-2s that Ukraine had in its inventory at the start of the "SMO" were destroyed in about *two weeks*.

    All since then have been new deliveries, some literally fresh off the production line judging by the s/ns, the paint had hardly dried before they got shot down.

    Now, this fall and winter, TB-2 mentions have dried up completely. So I guess if they have any they are indeed used far from the front, for surveillance or so.




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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:39 pm

    We talk fan songs folks.
    And I speak that from the middle of most anti-Russkie hell that can be unleashed.
    Where the main titles don't differ from the Ukro propaganda channel and narrative for months.
    Where used to be reputed titles just public the idiocies that won't stand a minute of crossfire and come from a direct translation of Ukro sources.  
    Ukro case is going down the toilet.
    It is pumped up occasionally, but we talk a factor of what used to be let's say in the Spring/Summer.
    This is one of the main symptoms of how much they are screwed.
    Just take a moment and think about that in a perspective.
    "A Bachmut meatgrinder" is being carried by ... a PMC.
    Spell that ...
    A P... M... C...
    While in Soledar and Uglodar we have a Chechen-breed-fukin'-riot-police that is grinding them down ...
    While the Ukrs are rotating regular, best trained, best equipped elite units they have because there is not much left of them after a week of fighting ...
    Propaganda materials of how the new reinforcements ae being trained along Europe shows ill-equipped light infantry that can't shoot properly and would make my drill sergeant teeth fall out of anger just by watching them.
    They can't perform an operation higher than a platoon level for months. Even the divers are out, and we can see the remains of technicals hitting each other, jumping into road rows, and sticking in a mud.
    In reality, this is what is making a difference.
    Regular army troops are mostly limited to the republicans, and we all know that they don't represent the regular Russkie army yet.
    VDV is holding the Cherson line, just bleeding the Ukrs white there.
    Russkie are facing a casualty ratio on pair with car accidents. They can carry that forever. For-bloody-ever.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:49 pm

    So Ukraine has committed 16 (!) brigades to fend off Wagner in Bakhmut. Jesus christ..

    Bunch of these have already been decimated, to boot.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:02 pm

    .. against a P...M..C...


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:17 pm

    Automat "Kord"/A-545 in the "SMO" zone. Late Imperial Russian patch visible, but not Sparta (lacks the M).

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35 Fle_pg11

    Recoil-balanced like the AK-107, practically recoilless. You can fire it full-auto one-handed and still get decent groups at pistol/SMG distance, ridiculous.

    It was competing against the AK-12 in the latest AR tender, and was formally adopted but hasn't really been seen much.

    My dream gun, really. Got some H&K-inspired aperture sights and telescoping stock, lots of good reliable Kalashnikov genes, etc. Ideal, but more expensive than the original AK-12, and a lot more than the somewhat dumbed-down 2nd AK-12 variant that was eventually adopted. So I get it, but yeah.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:42 pm

    In this Wagner made report today, an officer with a broken arm said that he can handle the weapon single-handed so far - have you noticed the type? scratch

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:01 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35 Flfxk710
    Brigades on paper. Remember that Adolf was moving around whole Wehrmacht armies on maps back in April of 1945.  geek

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:11 pm

    ... I would call that a commercial, but at the other hand those folks retook half of French-owned Africa so far ... Laughing

    Yeah bro, you are right.
    Those "brigades" by far are 200 men strong at most. A looses stated at "70" take them out and force a rotation.
    Untergang.

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:21 pm

    .. against a P...M..C...
    Compare that to Blackwater. Got kicked in the ass by some angry iraqi goat shepherds.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:26 pm




    Reportedly the "Wagner" Private Military Contractors are NOT Being Supplied with Ammunition.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-disgruntled-troops-intensify-battle-between-key-allies/ar-AA15INqT?cvid=c9ffa14d6a024ca186ec11baaf33565e


    Putin is asking to be whacked.



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    To "Hole" - During April of 1945 Wehrmacht still had around one million troops.





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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:28 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35 Flfvzn11
    Reports: Geran-2 active.
    Dnjepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye are being hit.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:35 pm

    Compare that to Blackwater. Got kicked in the ass by some angry iraqi goat shepherds.

    It is not as easy as that bro ...
    The outfit of the crazy 2003 invasion was a mass underground along the entire not Iraq only ...
    The BAAS financials not stolen by the Muricans, the Saddam secret service created all over the area - that was the result.
    Some Murican-based resources tried to blame them for ISIS creation later on, but we DO know that they might have only something in common. The bulk of ISIS was the opposite.
    So the BW was nit fighting shepherds in real but well prepared and determined reminiscent of the SAAD regime.
    That does not help them much indeed, but we must know the grounds, cause ...


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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:35 pm

    NSFW Warning for dying/killed troops
    18+, situation on Avdiivka frontline filmed by Ukrainian soldier

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:36 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35 Flfh1810
    World map from 1900. Searching for the 15.000 year old state of "Ukraine"...

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:39 pm

    AB, the thing needs some explanations...
    As I am watching it only now, can I just edit my entry folks?

    The first - guy who holds an RPG is not a Russian/Ukrainian.

    The guys in background neither. If I will figure the nationality I will tell you.


    The RPG is not Soviet/Russian/Ukro origin.

    the round does not seems alike either - it looks like an Bulgarian made antipersonell piece.

    Edit : the upper command in the comm speaks sole Russian ...


    Edit : in 2:00 some natives arrived in the scene ...

    Later on, he is complaining that AGS is shitting them hard.

    Edit : te 4:00 minute he has lost somehow his accent Laughing and sounds western Ukr ... (Canadian?)

    Edit : 5:20, the backs has been already covered by art fire. Withdrawing.

    Edit : 5:46, there is a "dear Good" in Polish wit the eastern accent, so he might be 50:50.

    Edit : 7:00 + there is no point to translate it further ... they are just being decimated without even visual contact of the enemy ...

    That's all folks...


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