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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jan 02, 2023 6:40 am

    "Russia... ...may be preparing a new offensive"

    This Stolty is some kind of fcking genius, is he not? How has he managed to single-handedly scry the malicious intentions of the Evil Moskal horde and their insane dictator Putler the Mad? Suspect

    With "leadership" like this idiotic brainless clown, its hardly a surprise that NATO is losing so badly. Razz Razz Razz Razz

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    Post  famschopman Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:15 am

    I do think the Russian command could do more with attack drones to counter highy mobile weapon systems like the himars. If this happened to the US they for sure would have predator drones in the sky all day long taking out targets with hellfire missiles one by one.

    I know Russia has similar capable systems by now. Is the Ukraine AD still such a risk? Almost all of the serious systems should be gone by now.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:20 am

    ALAMO wrote:I would say that the interception rate over Doneck is actually disappointing.
    So much disappointing that it makes me wonder if it is not deliberate.
    Not like the Russkie are doing that by purpose to let's say antagonize the population more...
    But like they are making a trade-off for the damage caused by those attacks versus collateral damage that would appear if they would start to target missiles or artillery shells above the city with heavy systems.
    They are taking down what is relatively safe, and pass some of it because can't intercept them without causing additional damage. No matter how cynical it seems, if the missile or a round is above the city anyway, if you intercept it, it will still fall down. Along with your own missile that can still have unburnt fuel etc ... As the Ukrs are not targeting any strategic infrastructure there being incapable of doing so, the risk is only civilian casualties and material damage ... Material damage is irrelevant, there will be a massive reconstruction of the whole regions anyway ... so the only real goal is to disperse the people. Make them sit in shelters etc.
    The other factor is the lack of operational space there - Ukrs are still at the perimeters of Doneck. Every single shell or missile is above the city a few seconds after the start, so there is no option to take them down on approach. The only real solution would be to push them back for another 30 km. Then you can construct a proper AD at the approaches to the agglomeration, not over it.

    That was the theory going around at the beginning of the war as well.
    That Russia was deliberately not dislodging the Ukrainian army from the Donbass and suburbs of Donetsk so that the Ukrs can continue to shell Donetsk and the Russians can thus justify military action to the domestic audience

    But over the course of the war it has turned out that throwing the Ukrainians out of anywhere in the Donbass is a bit more tricky than many casual observers assumed. In fact it still hasn't been achieved.

    And about the interception rate above Donetsk; well from my understanding its mostly artillery, not HIMARS systems. Donetsk is in range of Ukrainian tube and rocket artillery, and no doubt all of its buildings have been ranged and calculated for well in advance.
    And yes even in the cases where its technically possible, it's rarely economical to shoot down artillery shells with anti-air missiles, unless they're really on the way to somewhere critical. You'd quickly run out of missiles. It makes a lot more sense to try and respond with a counter-battery MLRS barrage and perhaps that's what goes on

    At the end of the day, the ones who are antagonizing, or provoking such trade-offs - are none other than the Ukrainians themselves. Nobody's forcing them to target civilian objects in a civilian city. That's their own initiative, and who knows what reason they have in mind for it.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:38 am

    I do think the Russian command could do more with attack drones to counter highy mobile weapon systems like the himars. If this happened to the US they for sure would have predator drones in the sky all day long taking out targets with hellfire missiles one by one.

    I know Russia has similar capable systems by now. Is the Ukraine AD still such a risk? Almost all of the serious systems should be gone by now.

    You would need thousands of these systems, with infra-red optics, scanning the ground day and night to have a good chance catching one of these HIMARS systems in the probably no more than 10-minute window during which it will start up, move out of hiding, aim its missile pod, fire, and retreat back into hiding.

    We're talking about between 6000-10000 sq kilometers here among which such systems can be hiding, if we assume a maximum range for them of 85km, a minimum range from the target at which they'll be situated at about 35km, and assuming that you only control between 180 to 240 degrees worth of territory in a circle around you; with the other half or third being open to the enemy to move around in.

    If these are good drones then we can be generous and say that each drone can patrol an area of 10 sq km effectively. So 600-1000 drones. And that's just for one important part of the front. You'll need the same amount above Bakhmut, as beyond the Dniepr in the Kherson region, as in the Zaporozhie region.
    And this is w/o taking into account enemy air defense efforts, or the fact that drones don't have unlimited endurance and you will need to cycle through them in shifts; thus needing some percentage more of them.

    Needless to say this approach would be horribly inefficient.

    It makes much more sense to attempt to narrow down possible locations by looking for clues in satellite photos, through electronic eavesdropping and signals intelligence, and through trajectory calculations once enemy systems do fire.
    And all of that I'm sure they're doing already.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:48 am

    Ukraine Battle Map
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    In the past 5 days Russia has fired 184 Shahed Kamikaze Drones and 116 Cruise Missiles at Ukraine 🇺🇦

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:54 am

    Garry you might want to move this to a different thread if you can edit out the first video.



    https://twitter.com/i/status/1609806732196458496


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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:54 am

    That was the theory going around at the beginning of the war as well.

    Sure I know.
    And we both know who was the author of these kinds of rumors, how they spread them, and why.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:57 am

    The loss of the mobilized men is a tragedy, but for the outcome of the war it will be more important that Nato is running out of its stockpiles. I do not know exactly how such a huge warmachine like Nato is running out of supplies, but that is what sources like Col. MacGregor are saying.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:58 am

    Think this in the second video might have cleared that street

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:00 am

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:00 am

    There was obviously no "loss of mobilized" other than imagined by some voyenkors who wanted to pretend how close to the things they are. And pumped up with Ukro propaganda later on. So our local bugs crawled from the swamp and pissed for two days about a non existing event.

    Edit : here you have something quite interesting. A POW interview like many others, but ...

    https://t.me/chub_detection/6624

    The guy answers the question if he was afraid to go POW, and answers no. Because he was working and living in Russia for 8 years, nobody ever made him any harm, and he knows perfectly well who are the Russians. And worked at ... Tula Arms Factory.
    This might give you some perspective of how much impossible is to avoid all terror acts in Russia. There are millions of Ukrainians living there for years. And any single one can be a potential saboteur. The kievan regime was getting ready for a clash for the last 9 years.

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:32 am

    Named the probable cause of the strike of the Ukrainian military on Makiivka

    The high cellular activity of servicemen in Makiivka, Donetsk People's Republic, could be the reason for the strike on the vocational school building by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU). This was reported by TASS with reference to law enforcement officers of the DPR.

    “Preliminarily, the reason for the HIMARS hit was the active use of mobile phones by the arrived military personnel,” the agency’s source said.

    It is explained that the Ukrainian military was able to establish activity using the ECHELON intelligence complex. Thus, the activity of mobile communications among the military located in the building of an educational institution was revealed.

    Data on the number of injured and dead TASS has not yet been given.

    Ukrainian security forces dealt a massive blow to Makiivka on New Year's Eve.

    On February 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he had decided to conduct a military special operation in Ukraine in response to a request for help from the heads of the LPR and DPR.

    The decision to conduct the operation was the reason for new sanctions against Russia by the United States and its allies.

    https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2023/01/02/19408399.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:54 am

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:27 am

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    This cowardly attack is without a doubt carried out with assistance by NATzO. This incident cannot go without a proper response. Russia needs to inflict a powerful strike against NATzO agents in Pukraine ASAP! attack

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:41 am

    ... what would literally mean that we have some first confirmed effective usage of HIMARS other than killing their own.
    And seems to be caused by the newly arriving soldiers' negligence and breaking of the rules of not using phones in the military operation area.
    So 63 of them won't have time to learn.

    Wunderwaffe masturbation fiesta in 3...2...1... Laughing
    Aren't you too short-handed for that?
    Because if you will help each other, it is homo sex already, you know? Laughing Laughing

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:41 am

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    Wow thats a quick response Very Happy

    But Im not satisfied with just over 70 NATzO NAZIs dead. Numbers should at least be no less than 1000+ and NATzO PIG advisers needs to be among the casualties attack

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:47 am

    And seems to be caused by the newly arriving soldiers' negligence and breaking of the rules of not using phones in the military operation area.

    Its unfortunate that such negligence has given NATzO NAZIs an opportunity to strike Russian forces, I think non use of phones should have been more strictly enforced in the front.

    I'd like to see Russia strike more NATzO PIG personnel under guise of volunteers in Pukraine, this latest strike against Russian soldiers wouldn't have been possible without NATzO PIG intel. NATzO PIGS needs a proper Slap in the face
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    Post  Hinex1988 Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:50 am

    ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (2 January 2023)

    📄 Part 1 (read Part 2)

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

    💥 Attacks launched by high-precision armament of Russian Aerospace Forces at the provisional bases of the 'Foreign Legion' near Markovo, Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as near Novoosinovo (Kharkov region) have resulted in the elimination of over 70 foreign mercenaries, more than 100 of them have been wounded.

    💥 In Kupyansk direction, Russian forces have launched artillery strikes at manpower concentration areas from 103rd and 105th territorial defence brigades near Berestovoye, Kislovka, and Sinkovka (Kharkov region).

    ◻ Up to 30 Ukrainian personnel, 2 armoured fighting vehicles, and 3 motor vehicles have been eliminated.

    💥 In Krasniy Liman direction, artillery strikes have resulted in the neutralisation of the units from 13th and 95th airborne assault brigades near Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic), and Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◻ Over 40 Ukrainian personnel, 3 armoured personnel carriers, and 2 pickups have been eliminated.

    💥 In Donetsk direction, neutralisation of the units from 60th Mechanised Infantry and 79th Airborne Assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), as well as offensive action of Russian forces have resulted in obtaining new advantageous frontiers.

    ◻ The enemy has lost up to 70 Ukrainian personnel, 4 armoured fighting vehicles, and 5 motor vehicles.

    💥 In South Donetsk direction, complex shelling at enemy units near Zolotaya Niva and Prechistovka (Donetsk People's Republic) has resulted in the elimination of over 40 Ukrainian personnel, 3 armoured fighting vehicles, and 2 pickups.

    💥 Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian groups of forces have neutralised 67 artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and military equipment at 92 areas.

    ◻ 2 AFU ordnance depots, and 1 fuel depot of 102nd Territorial Defence Brigade have been destroyed near Orekhov, Malinovka, and Zaliznichnoye (Zaporozhye region).

    ◻ 1 fuel depot of Khortitsa group of forces has been destroyed near Dnepropetrovsk.

    💥 Within the counterbattery warfare, 2 U.S.-manufactured M-777 artillery systems have been destroyed at their firing positions near Chasov Yar and Minkovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◻ 1 Polish-manufactured Krab self-propelled howitzer has been destroyed near Antonovka (Kharkov region).

    ◻ 4 Ukrainian D-30 howitzers have been destroyed at their firing positions near Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
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    ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (2 January 2023)

    📄 Part 2 (read Part 1)

    💥 Air defence facilities have shot down 15 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Shipilovka, Liman, Kremennaya, Ploshchanka, Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic), Petrovskoye, Novognatovka, Nikolayevka (Donetsk People's Republic), Skelki, Ocheretovatoye (Zaporozhye region), Rubanovka, and Lopatki (Kherson region).

    ◻ Moreover, 3 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by Olkha and Uragan multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) have been intercepted near Krasnaya Gora, Podgornoye (Donetsk People's Republic), and Radensk (Kherson region).

    📊 In total, 355 airplanes and 199 helicopters, 2,794 unmanned aerial vehicles, 399 air defence missile systems, 7,366 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 957 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,763 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,876 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

    ◽ The Kiev regime has launched a strike with 6 rocket-propelled projectiles by U.S.-manufactured HIMARS MLRS at the provisional base of a unit of the Russian Armed Forces near Makeyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ Russian air defence facilities have shot down 2 HIMARS projectiles.

    ◽ The impact of 4 rockets with high-explosive warheads has resulted in the death of 63 Russian servicemen.

    ◽ Families and friends of these servicemen will be fully assisted and supported.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #report
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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:17 am



    Ukraine made up their own number though, making shit up as usual.
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    Post  limb Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:41 am

    Woah, it seems live caused a lot of butthurt and cope

    belisarius wrote: I'm under no obligation to show a single photo.

    And now Limb?
    Are you going to show me 50 different photos of 50 Russian KIA?
    Are you going to show me 90 different photos of 90 Russian WIA?

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    Show a single comment of mine where I readily agreed with the supposed death toll in these attacks

    There were a bunch back in june, july and august

    It was Ukraine, not Russia, that created Ghost of Kiev.
    It was Ukraine, not Russia, that used DCS and Arma 3 clips to prove that it shot down Russian aircraft.
    It was Ukraine, not Russia, that created the story of the "13 of snake island".
    It was Ukraine, not Russia, that claimed to have sunk the patrol vessel Vasiliy Bikov with an MRLS only for the vessel to turn up 2 days later in port unharmed.
    It was Ukraine, not Russia, that killed people in Bucha and then blamed the other side.
    It is Ukraine, not Russia, that lies compulsively every day, which is why I believe that it is Ukraine, not Russia, that has to show proof of everything it claims.

    Nice deflection. I dont care if the ukrainians lie. I care about the russian MoD's baseless claims and people like you taking it as pure gospel

    Meanwhile:
    The russian MoD never said what sunk the moskva
    The russian MoD said absolutely no aircraft were destroyed at saki
    The russian MoD has said that ukraine has lost over 150 Su-25s, despite entire NATO and ukraine combined not having that many su-25 airframes, in flyable condition or not
    The russian MoD by august claimed to have destroyed 30+ himars despite ukraine only having around 20 then.
    The russian government said that kherson will be forever russian



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    Post  limb Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:47 am

    While you still believe that dozens of Russian soldiers died even without the clear pic...
    Do you even understand the meaning of the word coherence?

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/39716

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine struck with six rockets of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system at the point of temporary deployment of one of the units of the Russian armed forces near the settlement of Makeevka.

    Russian air defense systems shot down two HIMARS missiles.

    As a result of the destruction by four missiles with a high-explosive warhead of a temporary deployment point, 63 Russian servicemen were killed.

    -Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

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    Post  limb Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:56 am

    There is no basis for such conclusions, such as 'no culture of precaution'. Just more doomer bullshit.
    It only takes one idiot commander to approve such a 'New Year's Party' and for the Ukrainians to find out about it from some local sympathizer with a Telegram account. That's literally all it takes. If it was the sort of thing that was common on the front then we would have seen more than 1 HIMARS strike.

    I would suggest a court-martial for all responsible for this little get-together, as well as an investigation (and a prompt one) into the failure of air defense to intercept the rocket as well

    Your only purpose on these forums is to provoke and turn people in the wrong direction, whether that's dooming, sowing discontent and mistrust, or attempting to paint the forum in a bad light by making suggestions about raping someone. Buzz off.

    The mod thankfully said theyll investigate this.

    Idc. Im going to speak my mind, and always use tg voenkor sources. I dont care what people think. I want the truth. So far voenkors are saying things closer to the truth, judging by the MoD confirmations after their posts. I cannot and will not stop dooming, and if you want to stop me dooming kindly censored  off.

    I will not post good news and believe almost anything the MoD says until:

    Liman is taken
    Avdeevka is taken
    Marinka is taken
    Artemovsk is taken
    Slavyansk-kramatorsk agglomeration is taken




    And yes, nazi whores who come to russian land to kill civilians and spread their trash ideology deserve to be raped, because I dont believe in the death penalty.


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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:57 am

    Woah, it seems live caused a lot of butthurt and cope

    Only butthurt and cope addict here is you jocolor



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    Funny how NATzO PIG bootlickers are quick to dismiss info when it doesn't suit them  Laughing



    HIMARS masturbators: -0

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    Post  PhSt Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:59 am

    and if you want to stop me dooming kindly off.

    No, You F*CK OFF NATzO PIG


    And yes, nazi whores who come to russian land to kill civilians and spread their trash ideology deserve to be raped, because I dont believe in the death penalty.

    You're a NAZI Whore yourself stop pretending Laughing Laughing

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