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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:32 pm

    There won't be insurgency. They don't have the mind to be insurgent. Being under russian or under western control isn't a big difference.

    The nazi will be the first to run in germany ince their line get destroyed in the east.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:46 pm

    There would be one, don't be clueless
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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:52 pm

    They entered from Belraas and hold a big part of terrain there for few months and there wasn't.

    Some nazi will for sure but they will hunt them thanks to there tatoos. Rest of the population won't.

    And most hot heads are going on the front and getting killed.

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    Post  zorobabel Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:09 pm

    Reading mixed reports on Marinka. If nothing else, the center fell to RU/DPR. Very good. Hopefully momentum accelerates so that Donetsk can have a buffer zone, as today's shelling demonstrates that it desperately needs.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:25 am

    All AD missiles have proxy fuze. Without it they would have trouble hitting anything. Radars don't work over very small distances, IR seajer might see just a big red target in the last seconds and is a dumb seaker contrary to radar...

    No.

    The original Igla and Igla-1 didn't have a proximity fuse... they were accurate enough to get direct hits on targets the size of aircraft and helicopters and therefore didn't need anything other than a graze fuse.

    The Igla-S added a proximity fuse for use against tiny targets like cruise missiles or small drones where the missile might not make actual contact with.

    Tests of Igla showed that against an AT-3 Malyutka ATGM drone target five out of nine shots got direct hits, but that obviously four out of nine shots did not make contact with the target. The AT-3 is a rather small target so five hits out of 9 shots was actually rather good especially at a altitude of about 15m, but it was determined for targets like small drones and cruise missiles a proximity fuse needed to be added... resulting in the Igla-S.

    Igla S may have better stuff but even former Igla had proxy fuzes.

    The Soviet Igla and Igla-1 didn't. Eastern european ripoffs of Iglas might have a proximity fuse added... but in this case it clearly failed.

    But these cities would be russian then and the Ukros would attack them like they attack Melitopol or Donetsk now. The regime has to go.

    The current regime are too in bed with the west and the agreements they sign are not worth anything at all so they do need to be replaced with people who are no corrupt goons of the west.

    Or the charge is reduced.
    Interesting.

    Have never heard of any reduced propellent charge options for 125mm guns... just the standard charge for all rounds, and an increased charge for some of the newer APFSDS rounds which have additional propellent encasing them too.

    Not sure if the picture is morphed but why would a Su-35 carry such a large payload of air to air missiles?

    Its primary kill weapons would be the R-37s because when Su-35s get airborne I suspect Orc aircraft will run away or land or not launch, so they will be doing most of their shooting down of Orc aircraft from 200km plus distances.

    The R-77s and R-73s would be fine for medium sized drones, but the Kh-31s would be used against any radars they detect including battlefield radars trying to spot Russian artillery.

    R-77s and R-73s could in theory be fired at incoming BUK and S-300 missiles too I suspect... but the primary war load is ARMs and long range AAMs.

    "Putin’s Belarus Visit Stokes Fears It Could Be Drawn Into Ukraine War"

    "Russia’s closest ally has resisted being pulled into the conflict, but pressure from Moscow to open a new front appears to be growing"

    Western bullshit... there is no evidence that Moscow wants Belarus to join the conflict... more like the west wants to use their Ukrainian meat puppets to damage Belarus as well as Russia...

    "Poland prepares for 'liberation march' in Ukraine. We already know the most important dates": Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny writes that Poland's ruling party has not only fully agreed on a plan to take over Western Ukraine but has also set dates. Having invaded on 4 May, the Poles expect to hold a referendum on accession on the symbolic day of the beginning of the Volyn massacre, 11 July.

    Good... a western massacre of Polish troops might ease the pain of Ukrainians... Polish columns of forces could be devastated by cruise missile attacks using cluster munitions to destroy vehicle convoys...

    If they wanted to destroy energy system they would have targeted the nuk power plants... not their goal. They need to provide the people with electricity after the war.

    A lot of their infrastructure needs to be replaced anyway...

    Reading mixed reports on Marinka. If nothing else, the center fell to RU/DPR. Very good. Hopefully momentum accelerates so that Donetsk can have a buffer zone, as today's shelling demonstrates that it desperately needs.

    Doesn't really matter where they move the border to someone will still be getting shelled... it is a question of destroying those firing the shells and the logistics systems that supply ammo and fuel and food etc etc.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 am


    Poland attempting to get a slice would be excellent opportunity to pop that taboo about NATO being untouchable

    The moment they go in light their asses up




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    Post  Krepost Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:58 am

    On the soccer field:

    NATO (all of it) was defeated
    The Global South (represented by Argentina) won
    Macron is flying back home with a sad face and bitterness in his mouth
    Putin is still not answering his phone calls


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:23 am

    Losing a soccer game as nothing to do with this war

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:20 am

    Doesn't really matter where they move the border to someone will still be getting shelled... it is a question of destroying those firing the shells and the logistics systems that supply ammo and fuel and food etc etc.
    No, it definitely matters. Luhansk, for example, is no longer being shelled. There's a pretty big difference between an unpopulated village being shelled and a city of 1+ million.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:44 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Losing a soccer game as nothing to do with this war

    Not one to reject an omen Cool

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:00 am

    No.

    The original Igla and Igla-1 didn't have a proximity fuse... they were accurate enough to get direct hits on targets the size of aircraft and helicopters and therefore didn't need anything other than a graze fuse.


    Yes.
    Igla was designed with a proximity fuse from the beginning, the only issue was the fact that the program was much delayed.
    So the Igla-1 system was adopted, being a swap of newly developed solutions with an already working Strela-3 9K34 missile.
    That is how 9K310 was constructed. It combined contact fuze with some mechanism that detonated the missile only if "touched" the target.
    9K313 - a "proper Igla" - had a proximity fuse, and an additional system to detonate the fuel if reminded on board making it more deadly than the warhead size suggested.
    The same was adopted with the Polish Grom system, being nothing else than localized Igla made with stolen plans. It was being built with parts imported directly from LOMO even in the late 00s and the system is compatible with Igla.
    You can replace the shooting mechanism and N cartridges.
    And believe me, I am sure about that Laughing Laughing
    Igla-S with 9K338 missile uses a laser proximity fuse.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:00 am


    Poland attempting to get a slice would be excellent opportunity to pop that taboo about NATO being untouchable

    Poland sending forces into the Ukraine would completely nullify Article 5 and mean they are on their own... fair game...

    Losing a soccer game as nothing to do with this war

    A competition Russia and Belarus were excluded from because of this conflict.

    No, it definitely matters. Luhansk, for example, is no longer being shelled. There's a pretty big difference between an unpopulated village being shelled and a city of 1+ million.

    When they push the Orcs back to 300km away from Crimea or initial Russian territory, how long before the US approves the delivery of ATCMs to the orcs?

    The all of a sudden lots of centres will be in range again...

    Igla was designed with a proximity fuse from the beginning, the only issue was the fact that the program was much delayed.
    So the Igla-1 system was adopted, being a swap of newly developed solutions with an already working Strela-3 9K34 missile.

    Whether they were designed with a proximity fuse or not does not really matter... the Igla and Igla-1 missiles deployed did not have proximity fuses fitted to them.

    The results of tests against small targets (ATGMs) resulted in the new Igla-S whose main feature was a proximity fuse and other improvements.

    AFAIK Verba and the new Metka have proximity fuses too.

    It combined contact fuze with some mechanism that detonated the missile only if "touched" the target.

    You mean a graze fuse?

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:24 am

    One of the coal-powered thermal power plants (TPP-3) was hit during last night’s drone strikes.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:40 am

    Yeah, I suppose you called it a proper name - I have never used it in English.
    It is just a magnetic disruption sensor made of a few wires.
    And again, Igla has a proximity fuse from the beginning. Just the same as Grom has.
    Polish Grom is Igla made in Poland, with parts imported from Russia for 15 years.

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:56 am

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:59 am

    So we can consider the successful interception of Russkie missiles by several objects, including Antonov. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Post  zare Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:48 am


    A competition Russia and Belarus were excluded from because of this conflict.

    Russia is an average European team in quality and Belarus is the worst Euro football nation.
    Yes the exclusion was political but let's not pretend like the tournament ground was shaken because these two can't participate.

    Also catering to the "global South" is not what is happening. If anything was happening it was the desire of Arabs to give trophy to Messi in hopes that he will play a season or two in future in their league for big $. Ukrainians were catered to in the qualifications by UEFA/FIFA but they aren't simply good enough to play the World Cup so that got them nowhere.

    All three nations are pretty much irrelevant in the top world stage football (understatement for Belarus)

    What this WC showed tho, is the hypocrisy of western states that went full political (kneeling and shit) but their players praised the organization of the cup. Because it was cozy to them. In reality Qatar is a far worse dictatorship than Russia the authoritarian state, and of course their event will be on the clock with everything perfectly done - they can easily cut someone's arm as an "incentive".

    As far as future goes, Russia not participating in FIFA will get points for Russia because FIFA is on the course to become the #1 human rights abuser in the world and #1 filthy capitalist. Also the next WCs will be completely different thing with the inclusive shit where everyone gets to play and where everyone gets to organize. So the top players will not be very keen on traveling a thousand miles to play against Barbados or Kiribati Islands.

    If there was a good period to be banned from FIFA, this is probably it.
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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:01 am

    It's afraid....


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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:30 pm

    If there was a good period to be banned from FIFA, this is probably it.
    Sure. But that´s not the point. Russia was banned from playing the qualifing match-up and is prohibited from taking part in the next Euro and the Olympics. While countries like the US, UK, France and all the other NATO warmongers are allowed to compete. Had FIFA banned the US and UK from taking part in an World Cup because of their invasion of Iraq or the destruction of Libya or Syria it would be OK to ban Russia. But that didn´t happen. So it´s a double standard or even a form of racism.

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