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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:59 pm

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    American bribes.
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    Tanks somewhere in Belarus

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:47 pm




    Why did not Poland get any money?


    dunno


    The U.S. government is not even giving Poland any money to support the Ukrainian (pseudo-)refugees, and Poland received millions of them, by far more than any other country.

    Even Japanese government gave some money to Poland for sheltering the Ukrainians in 2022, but nothing from the U.S. and the other Western governments.

    I know it is for 2017-2021, but Poland started getting a large number of the Ukrainian (pseudo-)refugees already starting in 2014.


    These are Poland's so-called "allies"?



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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:03 pm

    Didn´t the polish government offer Trump to pay for an american base in the country?
    It seems most politicians in Warsaw (as in Berlin or London) are so deep in the pockets (asses) of the Americans that
    no further bribes are needed, except the usual good paid job at some company after the political career came to an end.

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:07 pm

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:10 pm




    The big problem with Poland is that it is not ruled by ethnic Poles, but by a German-Ukrainian mafia.


    It is interesting that far wealthier countries than Poland (like Germany and U.K.) do not pay to host U.S. military bases, while Poland, which is one of the poorer countries in Europe, is required to.


    Perhaps Trump being half-German has something to do with this?


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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:42 pm

    Holly shit, this is hilarious ...

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/37845

    Short: Ukro Fieldmarschall just called the Supreme Commander - in public - that he shall sign the bill of increased punishments for army disobedience, desertions etc. that was adopted by the Ukro Reichstag a few days ago.
    The list is long.

    Oh sure, sounds extremely victorious if you ask me!

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    More stuff in Belarus

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    santa HO-HO-HO So many machine guns!

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:52 pm

    ... oh shit ... Laughing
    I'm just watching that "live", and as far as I understand Ukrainian, I am not fluent in it, so maybe some Russian native or Ukrainian speaker can correct me, but if I am right ...

    The guy principally confessed that the military units are deserting as a whole. Just abandoning positions and they must use reserves to plug the holes.
    The harsh measures including ECONOMIC punishments must be switched on to carry the discipline to the ranks.

    Why he is addressing that in public? Because they are "democratic regime" Laughing Laughing which I find an especially funny part of the whole entry Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 19, 2022 8:59 pm

    Back in April.

    Ukraine Attempted 'Decapitation Strike' Of Russia's Top General, Even As US Tried To Stop It

    Monday, Dec 19, 2022 - 11:11 AM

    A lengthy and wide-ranging New York Times assessment of "Putin's War" detailing the last ten months of how a "walk in the park" became a catastrophe for Russia - as the story is sub headed - includes a particular bombshell buried deep within the narrative which has yet to be subject of widespread reporting.

    US officials cited in the report say that Ukraine's military and intelligence attempted to assassinate General Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, even after American officials urged against such a brazen action of unpredictable consequences, on fears it would invite uncontrollable Russian military escalation. 

    While the key details embedded within the dozens of pages-long NYT Saturday report have received scant notice in broader US mainstream media, Russian state media has certainly already taken note, with TASS - among others - highlighting it.
    Gen. Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and First Deputy Minister of defense, via AP

    The alleged Ukrainian attempt for a 'decapitation strike' on Russia's top commander and Putin's military right-hand during the planning phase involved Washington pleading for Kiev to call off an attack, only for US officials to find out they already launched it.

    It reportedly happened in late April, during a time period in which unnamed American officials boasted that US intelligence was helping the Ukrainians take out Russian generals who were positioned on or just behind front-lines of fighting, as we detailed at the time.

    In its new reporting, the Times says that last Spring, Russia's top military brass decided it was necessary for generals to make trips to the front lines due to worsening morale: "But the generals made a deadly mistake: They positioned themselves near antennas and communications arrays, making them easy to find, the Americans said." NYT describes further as follows in this key section of the report, thus allowing US intel to begin identifying top commanders' whereabouts on the Ukrainian battlefield:

       "Ukraine started killing Russian generals, yet the risky Russian visits to the front lines continued. Finally, in late April, the Russian chief of the general staff, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, made secret plans to go himself."

    The US apparently knew of the 'secret' trip in real-time, leading to the dilemma of whether to share the information with the Ukrainians. But the Times' sources say Washington "kept the information from the Ukrainians, worried they would strike."

    The driving concern was that a provocation of that magnitude would increase the likelihood of direct war between nuclear-armed superpowers. The NY Times reveals what happened next: 

       The Ukrainians learned of the general’s plans anyway, putting the Americans in a bind. After checking with the White House, senior American officials asked the Ukrainians to call off the attack.

       "We told them not to do it," a senior American official said. "We were like, ‘Hey, that’s too much.’"

       The message arrived too late. Ukrainian military officials told the Americans that they had already launched their attack on the general's position.

       Dozens of Russians were killed in the strike, officials said. General Gerasimov wasn’t one of them.

    Gerasimov is the equivalent of Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest-ranking military officer...

    And as the report concludes of that key time period of April to May, "Russian military leaders scaled back their visits to the front after that."

    In May, unnamed senior American officials had begun leaking to US media greater intelligence-sharing with Kiev. This had reportedly led to the Ukrainians having killed in pinpoint strikes an estimated 12 Russian generals, which during those opening months of the invasion was an astonishingly high number (given the rarity in any war of deaths from among these highest officer ranks).

    The month prior to that, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin bluntly admitted of policy aims in Ukraine that the US wants to see a greatly "weakened" Russia. "We want to see Russia weakened to the degree it cannot do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine," he had said at the time.

    If the Ukrainians had managed to kill Gen. Gerasimov, it's very possible the world could have already been in the throes of nuclear Armageddon. But thankfully this scenario until now has been avoided, but very narrowly ...if the fresh NYT revelations are indeed accurate.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-attempted-decapitation-strike-russias-top-general-even-us-tried-stop-it

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    Post  ludovicense Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:28 pm

    Back in April.

    Ukraine Attempted 'Decapitation Strike' Of Russia's Top General, Even As US Tried To Stop It

    Monday, Dec 19, 2022 - 11:11 AM........



    This story seems fake.... there is no tangible element or at least an indication that it is true...

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:31 pm

    I was expecting some fan fiction to show up eventually.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:38 pm

    They are desperate to balance the fact that Russkie can kill'em all in a minute if desired.
    Give them some space bro.

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    Post  diabetus Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:54 pm

    Quotes are incorrect in the article. For instance, it should say: "Ukraine claimed that they started killing Russian generals."

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:14 pm

    When I am reading that Putin was fooled by Merkel into not attacking Ukraine for 8 years, I wonder whether this has turned out to be more disastrous for the Western bloc than for Russia, because instead of Russia the Western world is now bleeding out for Ukraine due to the inneficiency of their war machine. A quick Russian victory 8 years ago might have been less painful for Nato and their blundering strategy.
    And even though Ukraine had to time to prepare its military, Russia had time to improve its economy as well. So I guess the real fool was Merkel. Most of her overhyped character was probably just a product of propaganda and no worthy opponent for Putin in my opinion.

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:24 pm

    Strelkov is in doomer mode again. Sadly he was right on a few key points over the past 4 months.
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:26 pm

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    Melitopol

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:51 pm

    Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 17-18 Dec 2022⚡

    ♦#Belgorod Region:

    ▪ Russian air defences intercepted aerial targets near #Belgorod, Shrapnel damaged residential buildings, four civilians injured.

    ▪ One of the shells hit a poultry farm in the #Belgorod district, killing one man and injuring eight others.

    ♦#Starobelsk Direction:

    ▪ In the #Kupyansk area there is no significant change in the situation. Positional fighting continues at the #Liman 1st - #Olshana line.

    ▪ In the #Liman sector there is fighting near #Makeyevka.

    ▪ Both sides are engaged in artillery duels along the line of contact. The RF Armed Forces have hit enemy concentrations in #Vishnevoye, #Kupyansk, #Tabaevka and #Kotlyarovka.

    ♦#Soledar Direction (MAP):

    ▪ In the #Soledar sector, the Ukrainian command has moved units of foreign mercenaries to #Soledar to deter the Russian offensive.

    ▪ In the #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) sector, Wagner PMC assault troops are fighting in #Bakhmut, #Opytnoye and on the outskirts of #Kleshcheyevka.

    ▪ Units of the 28th Mechanized Brigade's 3rd Battalion and the 46th Separate Airmobile Brigade of the AFU have unsuccessfully tried to attack Russian positions in #Ozaryanovka. The militants were pushed back.

    ▪ In the #Toretsk (#Dzerzhinsk) sector, the enemy is forming assault groups near Nyu-York (#Novgorodskoye).

    ♦#Lugansk People's Republic:

    ▪ AFU fired HIMARS rockets at civilian targets in #Alchevsk and #Shchastia, three civilians killed, five wounded.

    ♦#Donetsk Direction (MAP):

    ▪ Motorized rifle units of the RF Armed Forces continue to advance in the center of #Maryinka and break through sections of enemy defence on Druzhba Avenue.

    ▪ In the south, AFU assault units pushede Russian forces out of their positions in the fields southeast of #Pobeda.

    ▪ Ukrainian militants shelled populated areas of the #Donetsk agglomeration. Residential buildings and also a hospital in the center of Donetsk have been hit. One person was killed and four were injured.

    ♦#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):

    ▪ In the #Orekhov sector, units of the 65th AFU Mechanized Brigde attacked Russian positions near #Nesteryanka on Saturday. Russian forces repulsed the enemy attack, forcing the militants to retreat to their initial positions under mortar fire.

    ▪ In the #Pologi area, reconnaissance teams of the 79th Battalion of the 102nd AFU Territorial Defence Brigade monitor the movements of Russian troops near the settlements of #Shirokoye, #Marfopol and #Stepanovka with the help of drones.

    ♦#Kherson Direction on Southern Front (MAP):

    ▪ Enemy drones search for positions and logistics facilities of the RF Armed Forces along the #Dnipro coastline from Nizhny Rogachik to Novaya Kakhovka.

    ▪ Russian forces worked on the sites of AFU concentrations in #Stepanovka, #Kazatskoye, #Tyaginka and the outskirts of #Kherson.

    In turn, Ukrainian militants shelled civilian facilities in Novaya Kakhovka, and part of the urban district settlements were left without power supply.


    https://t.me/sitreports/2276

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:12 pm

    This fcking stupid nonsense again?  Razz  Ukronazis and their murkan backers are really losing their sht if they need to dredge up this crap for reuse  Twisted Evil

    This had reportedly led to the Ukrainians having killed in pinpoint strikes an estimated 12 Russian generals...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-attempted-decapitation-strike-russias-top-general-even-us-tried-stop-it

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:45 am

    Strelkov is in doomer mode again. Sadly he was right on a few key points over the past 4 months.

    Why, what's he saying now?

    He was right on some things but wrong about the main ones. Like how the entirety of 'Novorussia' was waiting for liberation or whatever.
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    Post  Regular Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:36 am

    What Strelkov said? Just the same things like before. SMO needs to be upgraded to war and war economy needs to follow, complains about lack of supplies to the troops (Tanks being used in a role of artillery)

    He is not the only one complaining, but I think at this point he departed from reality. It’s not nearly as bad. He refuses to take into account that Ukraine is having even bigger issues and portraits them as ultimate boogey man. Oh yeah, he said something about being hanged in Kiev…
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:53 am

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    Only 50 mil for Serbia?

    So this is why our TV channels are suddenly loaded with Russian movies and soap operas? And not just local but foreign owned ones as well

    Then again after their local flunkies skim off the top there's maybe 5 million bucks left at most for intended purpose

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:27 am

    Yeah, I suppose you called it a proper name - I have never used it in English.
    It is just a magnetic disruption sensor made of a few wires.
    And again, Igla has a proximity fuse from the beginning. Just the same as Grom has.
    Polish Grom is Igla made in Poland, with parts imported from Russia for 15 years.

    If Igla or Igla-1 had functioning proximity fuse warheads the Igla-S would be unnecessary... the Igla and Igla-1 were tested against Malyutka target drones with the warheads replaced by flare launchers, and 4 out of 9 missed the target and therefore despite flying very close by did not make contact with the target an therefore did not explode. That by definition suggests they did not have working proximity fuses.

    The Igla-S was developed with a working proximity fuse fitted to allow it to shoot down small targets so it did not have to make direct contact with the target for the warhead to explode and get a kill.

    Russia is an average European team in quality and Belarus is the worst Euro football nation.
    Yes the exclusion was political but let's not pretend like the tournament ground was shaken because these two can't participate.

    It makes a joke of itself... not allowing politics to interfere in sports and then they make political decisions about who can or can't play...ridiculously stupid.

    Also catering to the "global South" is not what is happening. If anything was happening it was the desire of Arabs to give trophy to Messi in hopes that he will play a season or two in future in their league for big $.

    So Qatar made Argentina win for some conspiracy motive... If they want him to play in their league then they can offer him big money... trophies would not mean much in that regard... If they offer him hundreds of millions of dollars to play do you think he would say no because they didn't single him out with a trophy at their world cup event?

    All three nations are pretty much irrelevant in the top world stage football (understatement for Belarus)

    Which makes soccer an irrelevant western tool of control and sanctions...

    What this WC showed tho, is the hypocrisy of western states that went full political (kneeling and shit) but their players praised the organization of the cup. Because it was cozy to them. In reality Qatar is a far worse dictatorship than Russia the authoritarian state, and of course their event will be on the clock with everything perfectly done - they can easily cut someone's arm as an "incentive".

    The west will seize your money and assets if you happen to be Russian... or Venezuela or Iran or Afghanistan...

    As far as future goes, Russia not participating in FIFA will get points for Russia because FIFA is on the course to become the #1 human rights abuser in the world and #1 filthy capitalist. Also the next WCs will be completely different thing with the inclusive shit where everyone gets to play and where everyone gets to organize. So the top players will not be very keen on traveling a thousand miles to play against Barbados or Kiribati Islands.

    Soccer has always been preachy... it is like Hollywood... Russia should join the Asian league, though I suspect Australia and Japan will object, and just not care about the world cup.

    If there was a good period to be banned from FIFA, this is probably it.

    FIFA is as corrupt as the rest of the west... time for change... or just not bothering to be a part of.

    Had FIFA banned the US and UK from taking part in an World Cup because of their invasion of Iraq or the destruction of Libya or Syria it would be OK to ban Russia. But that didn´t happen. So it´s a double standard or even a form of racism.

    The irony is that the west claims Russia is a threat to the world because it does not follow international rules and laws... when in actual fact the west is far worse in terms of ignoring international laws completely.

    This story seems fake.... there is no tangible element or at least an indication that it is true...

    It sounds like the western media are wanting to depict Kiev as being a bit out of control and the US as being moderate terrorists who shouldn't be treated the same as the real terrorists (Kiev) who are going to be exposed down the track for the hideous monsters they are when numbers of soldiers and civilians killed start to be revealed in more realistic numbers... this is a Soviets vs Finland type scenario with the Russians as Finland and the Ukrainians as the Soviets except the Fins are going to win this one outright... and instead of the Fins being supported by Germany and the west, this time around the west is supporting the Soviets (Kiev) who are the nazis... probably too confusing to be a good analogy I now admit... Embarassed

    Quotes are incorrect in the article. For instance, it should say: "Ukraine claimed that they started killing Russian generals."

    Yes, the number of claims of dead Russian generals that turned up to be alive was amusing... didn't stop them from continuing to do so... some generals got killed several times and eventually turning up fine.

    And even though Ukraine had to time to prepare its military, Russia had time to improve its economy as well. So I guess the real fool was Merkel. Most of her overhyped character was probably just a product of propaganda and no worthy opponent for Putin in my opinion.

    The longer this conflict goes on the more damage to the west, and this admission has destroyed Merkel as a political figure... what a bitch.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:30 am

    Only 50 mil for Serbia?

    So this is why our TV channels are suddenly loaded with Russian movies and soap operas? And not just local but foreign owned ones as well

    Then again after their local flunkies skim off the top there's maybe 5 million bucks left at most for intended purpose

    The core problem of course is that propaganda spending is like defence spending.... handing out cash is easy, the amount you spend really means nothing at all... what is critical is value for money and the US is well known for no accountability or auditing of money spent so most of it will be wasted... and totally ineffective.

    As opposed to spending those large volumes of money fixing their own problems in the US and caring about their own population... but the EU isn't going to destroy itself of course... Rolling Eyes

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