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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:51 am

    @FP
    Bad analogy. At the beginning of invasion, Napoleon collected biggest and most powerful army world has ever seen. Russians would lose bad if they fought under his terms. In this war, Russia has a clear upper hand and military superiority.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:58 am

    JohninMK wrote:"When misguided public opinion honors what is despicable and despises what is honorable, punishes virtue and rewards vice, encourages what is harmful and discourages what is useful, applauds falsehood and smothers truth under indifference or insult, a nation turns its back on progress and can be restored only by the terrible lessons of catastrophe."

    Sounds like an eerily accurate fortelling of the state of the US and EU... Razz

    Catastrophe in progress.... thumbsup

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:32 am

    @FP
    Bad analogy. At the beginning of invasion, Napoleon collected biggest and most powerful army world has ever seen. Russians would lose bad if they fought under his terms. In this war, Russia has a clear upper hand and military superiority.

    No it does not. You must always take into account the worst-case scenario, which is that NATO will enter the conflict by one means or another and Russia will have to contend with their manpower, organization and capabilities.

    It is imperative for Russia to neutralize NATO's forward force, being the Ukrainian army, with as few casualties as possible. And taking one's time favors Russia here as well, as it permits their military to gain experience, overcome deficiencies and for the economy to adjust as well.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:49 am

    How stupid football is. Typical mass show promoted by Jewish. What a disgusting sport. People lose their minds.
    In any case, it is unfortunate that Russia does not take advantage of an offensive and wipe the Ukrainian monkeys off the map.
    You could launch nuclear missiles all over the Ukraine and people wouldn't care because the stupid world cup.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:58 am

    @FP
    That's why they have nuclear weapons.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:37 am

    @FP
    That's why they have nuclear weapons.

    And NATO has concluded that Russia won't use them, in any scenario short of direct NATO-Russia war.

    I think they're right about that

    If we had Kim Jong-un in charge it would be a different story
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    Post  bandit6 Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:48 pm

    It has taken days for Ukraine to retake some territory but it takes months for Russia to advance a few km.

    The more the war drags on the worse it is for Russia because it's soldiers are dying every day. Even if more Ukrainians are being killed. The people dying are humans, they have families. This war should stop asap.

    If the keyboard warriors here think Russia is doing well they should volunteer and go to the front lines for the motherland.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:24 pm

    It's the other way around. If you think they are failing at the war, you go volunteer to show how its done.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:29 pm

    "It has taken days for Ukraine to retake some territory but it takes months for Russia to advance a few km."

    1. Remember, every time the Ukes take something its because the Russians either do not contest it or melt away into the night sort of like the German Army did in Prussia in August 1914. Also, remember everytime Russia retreats its to shorten logistics lines and stretch Ukraine's.

    2. Ukraine is very heavily entrenched and very dedicated to holding the territories in the Donbass. They dug in there and fortified the area for 8 years. Russia in the Donbass aims to destroy these fortifications. Ukraine cannot leave these positions. In fact they are committed to bleeding white their youth and their future to hold on to these fortress lines. Russia can easily use its air superiority and artillery superiority to destroy and take these strong holds one at a time at their speed because the aim is not land, its to kill.

    3. Remember, Putin never said anything about territorial gain, in fact outside the Donbass and protecting Crimea's drinking water supply and electricity (the whole reason for Kherson and Zaprozhiye), he has kept his word when he said the SMO has no territorial ambitions. This war is to kill lots of Ukrainian nazis, to destroy Ukraine's capacity to make war, to protect the Donbass and Russia, and this means very targeted operations to force Zelensky, or someone else, to talk peace.

    "The more the war drags on the worse it is for Russia because it's soldiers are dying every day. Even if more Ukrainians are being killed. The people dying are humans, they have families. This war should stop asap."

    1. The data is incomplete, but from what I have gathered from western sources and Russian, Russia, LPR, and DPR have lost 10-15,000 dead. The Ukrainians have lost 100,000 to 150,000 dead. Russia and its allies have lost another 30 to 40 thousand wounded, missing, POW and MIA. Ukraine has lost another 300 to 400 thousand wounded, missing, POW and MIA. As Scott Ritter has observed, Russia will gladly take that ratio all day every day and twice on Sunday.


    2. IF they can keep up a ratio like that, it does not suit them to shorten this war by so much as one hour. As Mao realized in the Chinese Civil War and Lincoln knew in the American Civil War, if you have more forces than your foe, the aim is to force your enemy to take land at high cost to him. The Peninsular Campaign is a Confederate victory. They held the field and Lincoln got tired of little Mac because of that battle and others, but the cost was that they had some 6,000 more killed and wounded than the Federal Army. In China, the Chicoms yielded land because they were more interested in killing as many of Cash the Check's and the Japanese forces because they knew they could take them back

    3. The tyrant of war is not Ukraininform, CNN, Hollyweird, and the BBC. No the god of war is Artillery and the tyrant is logistics. The longer the war goes on the worse it is for Ukraine. No electricity means less internet. It means no gas for Europe from Ukraine or nuclear electricity so the EU has to subsidize Ukraine at the expense of rolling blackouts and gas shortages. No electricity also means a lot fewer Ukrainian trains which means a lot less NATO munitions get to the front. Hit some key bridges across the Dniepr like I wish Putin would hurry up and take out and Ukraine loses almost overnight its ability to control what happens in half its territory.



    "If the keyboard warriors here think Russia is doing well they should volunteer and go to the front lines for the motherland."

    I have you tagged as either an American neocon or shitlib because only one of them would resort to a take off of if you don't like it here you should move to Russia thing. Sorry, but I don't peddle Yankee propaganda and well, frankly I have very little to offer militarily. I dare say I best serve the cause of peace online than I would at the front.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:38 pm

    This war should stop asap.

    You're free to go to Washington and then visit their puppet Zelensky to tell them to agree to negotiations and the concessions that were being discussed back in March/April. Plus some interest on top of that of course, it has been nearly 9 months of further war since then after all, and Russia has expanded a bit.

    Report back here and tell us how it went

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    Post  Pacense Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:06 pm

    Why would anyone quote Scott Ritter in any circunstance?

    Anyway, If you believe the ratio of casualties is way superior on the Ukrainian side, you are simply wrong. Right now, they are better motivated than Russia army, and probably better supplied already. For sure with more intel.

    At most, right now, ratio casualities are even. At most.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:08 pm

    1. I dunno why the hell would anyone quote you?

    2. Bullshit

    3. GarryB are we being shelled with NAFO Fellas again? Time to call Terminex

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:25 pm

    If the casualty ratio were even we'd have had our army of doomers raging driven on by a barrage of posts from voenkors on the Telegram ground about what a disaster it is for Russia and how the sky is falling
    Although managing an even casualty ratio with an artillery superiority of 9:1 would be quite the achievement of incompetence and actually worth complaining about

    But anyway none of that happening and there isn't even a casual complaint for anyone to make a molehill of it seems

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:47 pm

    I see some experts here pulling figures out of their behinds. No, Russia isn't losing nearly anything close to what Ukraine is.

    Even anti Kremlin rag tag Meduza is acknowledging that as they try to spin their fake narratives.

    It's just hilarious what some members here will post.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:58 pm

    These days only bots, paid shills and extremely naive teenagers follow the nafo stuff. It has been proven to be an intelligence operation

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    Post  Arrow Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:25 pm

    S300V4

    https://m.vk.com/video-206639135_456262553

    Fake ?
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    It doesn't sound very credible.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:27 pm

    Azov propaganda?

    No.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:38 pm

    But once again, it boils down to that the majority of the world's populations are rather dumb if they would have believed anything the west says contrary to what it has done for the last...forever.

    I agree with most of what you are saying but while the west is a slut you can't blame the Russians completely, because she is an alluring slut... she also has much of the rest of the world fooled half the time and the rest of the west almost all the time, but this situation has thrown things into stark contrast with the west showing what hypocrites they are and what a facade their talk of human rights and decency really is.... they are brutal ruthless manipulators that will happily let children die just to force the government of a country to do as they are told (which normally leaves them exposed to international business corporations which want to bleed them a bit of resources or people or both...).

    The US is the bad guy in this and no mistake...

    You must always take into account the worst-case scenario, which is that NATO will enter the conflict by one means or another and Russia will have to contend with their manpower, organization and capabilities.

    Russia just needs to keep reminding them that that is a red line... I am sure by now they will start to understand this concept perhaps... after the first few nuclear detonations taking out HATO troops just as they enter Ukrainian territory will certainly underline the red line concept because of the blood.


    And NATO has concluded that Russia won't use them, in any scenario short of direct NATO-Russia war.

    If they had concluded that Russia would not use them then they would have HATO troops in the Ukraine officially fighting for the Orcs, but they clearly are not and wont... because they are understanding what the term red line means even if they wont admit their mistake in the past.

    If we had Kim Jong-un in charge it would be a different story

    If you had that guy in charge the west would not care about Russia because Russia would be poor but would have a 3km talk statue of Kim in Moscow with a new one being built in St Petersberg...

    It has taken days for Ukraine to retake some territory but it takes months for Russia to advance a few km.

    When the Russians withdrew the Ukraine moved forward rather quickly, but right now the Russians are advancing through defended Ukrainian positions... in both cases the Ukrainians were taking enormous casualties and they continue to do so.

    The advancement speed for Russia is not important, this is about killing Ukrainian soldiers, it is not about taking territory... they are not trying to win this war quickly, they are fighting for the longer term to kill Orcs and weaken the west... both of which will take years, but will be worth the effort... doing it slow minimises the Russian loses...

    The more the war drags on the worse it is for Russia because it's soldiers are dying every day. Even if more Ukrainians are being killed. The people dying are humans, they have families. This war should stop asap.

    If it stopped right now and the Orcs moved out of the territory of the regions that just joined the Russian Federation and they set up borders along those lines HATO would continue to fund and support Kiev to start training up a new army and equip them and in 5 years time the shelling would start or the terrorism would start and the Russians would respond in a similar way to this time to the terrorism of Kiev against its own people, and it will all start again with Kiev with all new armed forces and equipment and the west in a better position to syphon money out of their own taxpayers to line their own pockets... Ukrainian soldiers will die again and Russian soldiers will die again.

    I don't like seeing people getting killed, but if they stop now it will have been for nothing because the issue isn't anywhere near sorted yet.

    3. Remember, Putin never said anything about territorial gain, in fact outside the Donbass and protecting Crimea's drinking water supply and electricity (the whole reason for Kherson and Zaprozhiye), he has kept his word when he said the SMO has no territorial ambitions. This war is to kill lots of Ukrainian nazis, to destroy Ukraine's capacity to make war, to protect the Donbass and Russia, and this means very targeted operations to force Zelensky, or someone else, to talk peace.

    But now that Merkel has stated publicly what the real plan was how can Russia trust Germany or France or Zelensky with any agreement or negotiated peace...

    You're free to go to Washington and then visit their puppet Zelensky to tell them to agree to negotiations and the concessions that were being discussed back in March/April. Plus some interest on top of that of course, it has been nearly 9 months of further war since then after all, and Russia has expanded a bit.

    Report back here and tell us how it went

    Exactly, this war will stop when the Ukrainian people accept their future is currently in the hands of people in Washington who are using them to make money from the US MIC and when I say using them I mean using them up.

    This war will end when they have had enough.

    At most, right now, ratio casualities are even. At most.

    Even Ukrainian sources say that is not true...

    But even if it was true so what... the US is fighting for money and for entertainment, the Nazis in Kiev but also the Russians are fighting for survival against Russia and the West respectively.

    3. GarryB are we being shelled with NAFO Fellas again? Time to call Terminex

    My policy is to let everyone speak, and in this case I think it shows the extend and effectiveness of western propaganda... at least in the west, for people who don't bother about hearing from the other side or who listen to the other side but discount it out of hand as propaganda.

    Ironically after all the lies and deception that is a place I am at with the western media of course... everything they say is a lie or misdirection... no need for evidence... they need supporting evidence before I will even consider they are telling the truth.

    They cried wolf too many times and don't deserve to be believed anymore, they have zero credibility... like Reuters...

    These days only bots, paid shills and extremely naive teenagers follow the nafo stuff. It has been proven to be an intelligence operation

    Or those fishing to become a paid bot might read from the scripture of HATO...

    It doesn't sound very credible.

    Sounds like good propaganda for Kiev... so I would want to hear from another source or two... unless they are talking about a Ukrainian unit... most western propaganda is based on reality but reflected and reversed...

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:50 pm

    An AFU servicemen threatens his command to sell “these beautiful Javelin complexes” that they have been supplied with in absence of food and warm clothes.
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    Better motivated and better supplied...

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:51 pm

    @Karl Haushofer why only 300, why not 600 like in Syria...

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