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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:45 pm

    Shells are actually fairly cheap if you've got stockpiles in the millions from the Cold War. Russia is doing to the US now what the US did to Russia in the 80s, namely flounder under the weight of its military spending. Oh look, the US is producing all these thousands of rounds, well there goes the deficit ever closer to default and they might cut social security and social programs and education. The longer Ukraine keeps in this war, the more will have to be rebuilt and the more it will have to be carried by the west.

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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:36 am



    The attacks on Engels and Ryazan were a NATzO operation. The Kiev regime has been nothing more than an extended condom
    of NATzO since February 2014.

    Mercouris got an email from someone he considers a qualified expert who told him the Strizh drone is not merely "Soviet garbage"
    but is actually hard to detect by ground stations and requires AWACs platforms to track (aside from satellites which in my opinion
    can do this as well with the right sort of IR optics). So the Russian "fail" was not such a "big fail". bounce

    But I do not buy the idea that Russia is limited in its detection ability this way. That is what it wants the Americans and their
    NATzO vassals to think. The less your enemy knows about your capabilities the better it is for you. This must be noted in
    Sun Tzu's "Technology of War" (not "Art" as incorrectly translated).

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:37 am

    after using Israel's kamikaze drones to take out one of their bombers, WTF is Russia going to do since now they feel encouraged to start making their own kamikaze drones. This war is moving at a snail's pace to the point that they might be able to make long range kamikaze drones. Problem is how are they going to address this problem.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:40 am

    In meters/ day the war is moving slow in Ukrainian dead /day its moving quite well.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:36 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:Shells are actually fairly cheap if you've got stockpiles in the millions from the Cold War. Russia is doing to the US now what the US did to Russia in the 80s, namely flounder under the weight of its military spending. Oh look, the US is producing all these thousands of rounds, well there goes the deficit ever closer to default and they might cut social security and social programs and education. The longer Ukraine keeps in this war, the more will have to be rebuilt and the more it will have to be carried by the west.
    Russia inherited more than the massive artillery warstock of the USSR.  

    They also maintained much of the supply chain necessary to maintain the USSR's colossal output of artillery shells. They have ores and coals in abundance to produce the shell bodies and on tap piped gas for heating and explosives production. Their factories and rail networks are also oversized for the current demands of the Russian economy so they can easily expand production many times over.
    thegopnik wrote:after using Israel's kamikaze drones to take out one of their bombers, WTF is Russia going to do since now they feel encouraged to start making their own kamikaze drones. This war is moving at a snail's pace to the point that they might be able to make long range kamikaze drones. Problem is how are they going to address this problem.
    First off, let's get one thing straight: Ukraine doesn't develop anything. They repackage Soviet - now NATO shit with that piss flag of theirs and call it day.

    Russia will respond the same way it has for every new wunderwaffe NATO has developed. Develop and disseminate new tactics, technique, training, and technology to deal with the pest before NATO even finished their power points jerking off to yet another game changer.

    They can also respond in kind: Iran just so happened to have "developed" imaging satellites with accuracy of 1m. Imagine what mayhem hezbollah can do with that resource. Any halfway useful infrastructure can be mapped for destruction with ultra-cheap drones and there is not much anyone can do about it.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:10 am


    Even if Russia has the spare ammo or can manufacture cheaply , still the Orcs seem to be importing stuff , through the open border with Poland . Now the decision seems to be made , for Russia to only hold or liberate the four oblasts in the East only . No more ideas of going West or taking more oblasts or crossing River to carry out punitive strikes or confronting NATO troops , if they enter through Poland .

    Also the idea of a long war seems to be accepted by Russia . If they only hold the eastern oblasts , and the Orcs hold the rest and freely import stuff and there seems to be many more troops that they can bring forward , then this idea seems the right prediction . The Orcs need to be removed by Ukraine , and not solely Russia military .

    The idea of a " meat - grinder , " may not be entirely a valid analogy , and be misleading . It is about liberating territory and holding it . In this sense then , stopping supplies and men getting to the frontlines , while advances are being made , makes more sense . Once this is done and defensive positions built , then it is not too late to go back to the meat - grinder idea . But even then , if Roads , Rail and Bridges are down , there will be far less meat to grind and equipment to destroy .

    Hitting all Bridges on Dnieper now , is the right idea . The Orcs either use these or Boats to bring men and supplies . Hitting further West also needed , by drones or missiles or planes , for many more years .

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:17 am

    Russian-made trenches:
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    Duckboards and plywood everywhere Smile

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:24 am

    Ukros position prepared when they had time&strenght for it looked alike.
    It is only now they don't have the possibility for improving the quality of life in tranches.

    By the way, have you noticed that a photo coverage of Artemovsk is made with highly professional sessions?
    Very similar to Azovstal.
    Ukrs won't leave any chance for more agitprop.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:00 am

    Duckboards and plywood everywhere Smile

    Minor technical correction, that isn't plywood its particle board. Only one layer.

    I assume that much of that wood was supplied as munitions cases and has been repurposed or maybe burnt for heat. Top marks for Russian recycling Laughing Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:23 am

    Duckboards and plywood everywhere Smile

    That trench network is tidier than my apartment

    Gotta be a propaganda shoot sadly

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:43 am

    Where´s the banya?  Very Happy

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    Russian soldiers landed on that island, according to Twitter sources.

    According to our information, due to catastrophic losses in the battles near Soledar, the Ukrainian command is withdrawing the remnants of two mechanized battalions of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the combat area.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:50 pm

    @Spriter0000
    Information has emerged claiming that the USA has asked Germany to send Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine due to the worsening situation with heavy equipment within NATO countries themselves. Germany could deliver about 70 of these tanks to Ukraine in a short period of time (about 3 months).


    ............................

    I swear I wanted to see them in combat... I don't know how many made it to the front line....but it would be interesting to see them torn to pieces, like in Syria, hurting the pride of the German arms industry.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:18 pm

    💥💥💥Summary from the front: The Russian army is advancing on Artemovsk and Marinka
    Russian units are developing an offensive in the Artemovsk direction
    Thus, active assault actions were undertaken both in the city itself and to the south and north of it. The Armed Forces are suffering heavy losses.
    The offensive in the Marinka area also resumed. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation storm the fortified area.
    It is from Marinka that a significant part of the strikes on Donetsk is delivered. The capture of Marinka and Avdeevka has not only great strategic, but also psychological significance....victory will be ours💥💥💥

    Very good fighting, Ukraine has 250 thousand troops dispersed throughout the donbass and surrounding areas

    Russian army and wagner advances are significant to dislodge this mass of cannon fodder from the area

    If reports of soledar and marinka are true, this is a very big development and Ukraine will not have the opportunity to make any offensives, they will try to stabilize the line by plugging with more fodder

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:22 pm

    Wargonzo announces the withdrawal of units of the 93rd brigade from Soledar.

    The operational sources of the @wargonzo project confirm the information about the withdrawal of the remnants of the 2nd battalions of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Soledar.

    According to incoming intelligence, the neo-Nazi command plans to withdraw units to Slavyansk for regrouping. For this, the Kiev division of "Aidara" was sent there as part of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of Kyiv.

    The withdrawal is associated with catastrophic losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine along the Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut line.

    Meanwhile, it is impossible to talk about the complete withdrawal of troops from Soledar at the moment: parts of the 53rd separate mechanized brigade, the 71st Jaeger brigade and the remnants of the 65th brigade of the Troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remain in the city.

    @wargonzo

    So Charlie line is collapsing, if they can do this, the ground will be set for major offensive in January/February in North

    Great progress

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    Post  Arrow Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:28 pm

    So Charlie line is collapsing, if they can do this, the ground will be set for major offensive in January/February in North wrote:

    There is no reason to plan a major offensive from the north.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:32 pm

    Of course there is, the clearance of the border territory, and the strike on Engels and Saratov already justify this only further,

    Russia needs a buffer space, a demilitarized zone from the wagner line fortifications, to the Dnieper river,

    Such an offensive would not be to hold territory, but to clear out the VSU, and then to depopulate and restrict from military activities

    Putin already met with the MOD and I'm sure final plans were made to assure this by winter,

    In fact the storming of donbass and the advances to Oskol reservoir would not be happening if it was not the case,

    Further we can see streams of columns moving into areas north of Ukraine , along with reservists freeing up contract personnel for the big push -

    Russia has begun the preliminary steps already, check Liman and Pesky fronts
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    Post  Arrow Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:35 pm

    Further we can see streams of columns moving into areas north of Ukrain wrote:

    There is no massive movement of equipment and troops to the north of Ukraine and Belarus, which excludes an offensive from this direction in the near future.

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    Post  famschopman Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:55 pm

    When Odessa. Now that would be a gigantic slap in the face. A complete cutoff from sea.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:24 pm

    An attack from the north will be problematic with all the recently introduced minefields. They first need to be cleared before putting infantry at risk.

    They have mine clearance equipment and attachments too!

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:46 pm

    There is no reason to plan a major offensive from the north.
    That´s what the General Staff does most of the time: planning.  Very Happy

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:52 pm

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    Streams of equipment have been flowing to the Ukrainian border for months, in white camouflage to boot

    Meaning an offensive is certainly on the cards and has been on the cards for a while

    De-electrifying the urban centers of Ukraine holds military value, only in the sense that it slows down the movement of Ukrainian reinforcements from Right bank to Left Bank,

    Ergo an offensive on left bank of the Dnieper would resolve the issue of Ukrainian drones and long range HIMARS hitting Russian bomber bases and other infrastructure

    Also manpower has been streaming to the front for a while

    All the preparations for an offensive have been going on since August when first reports of 3rd corps came out

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:22 pm

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    Currently the Strategic Defence of the Russian troops brings good results = a lot of killed and wounded enemy fighters.
    That´s why a new offensive can wait a few weeks.  Very Happy

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