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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:57 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Got footage of them entering an town saying" shoot everyone without an blue armband" and apparently they did.

    That particular material was made in Bucha.
    It was obvious proof of who committed war crimes there, along with the pics of dead bodies with white armbands & Russian MRE.

    There is another thing I find hilarious.
    Those nazi bastards are shameless enough not only to record those war crimes but to put them into the Internet without any hesitation.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:09 pm

    Isos wrote:

    When war started, they were using these red colored , winged decoys that look like small cruise missiles, I recall pictures of them back in February but have not seen them since

    And I am not talking about those dart shaped decoys from Iskander

    These were red winged decoys
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    Post  Regular Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:30 pm

    mr_hd wrote:
    There are clips of Kalibr interceptions when they are flying really low, it is available on the internet.

    So far both German and US-Norwegian air defense systems proved to be quite efficient in interception. Those are not well tested systems and there were doubts about their performance just few weeks ago. The issue is that they are expensive to use and complex - need quite a large training and their production rate is slow meaning Ukraine will not get enough systems to cover larger area any time soon. Country is too large. On long run they will get more of those systems and Ukraine will be super loaded with western weapons and systems like it is full member of NATO at the end.

    None of the intercept videos show AD system used, just claims that sometimes contradict each other. Like, two official sources claiming different systems.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:45 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    When war started, they were using these red colored , winged decoys that look like small cruise missiles, I recall pictures of them back in February but have not seen them since

    And I am not talking about those dart shaped decoys from Iskander

    These were red winged decoys
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    Chernishiv had an arrival half an hour ago.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:47 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    When war started, they were using these red colored , winged decoys that look like small cruise missiles, I recall pictures of them back in February but have not seen them since

    And I am not talking about those dart shaped decoys from Iskander

    These were red winged decoys

    Target practice drones, repurposed as decoys. I think it was the Enics E95M pulsejet target drone that was used.

    Rather cheap, variable RCS (corner reflectors can make it appear to be everything from cruise missile sized to full plane size on radar) and so on. Recoverable too, so it can be set to trigger AD in one area and if it survives it can parachute down on safe ground for re-use. Really, decoy use is quite obvious.


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    Post  Erk Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:47 pm

    mr_hd wrote:
    So far both German and US-Norwegian air defense systems proved to be quite efficient in interception. Those are not well tested systems and there were doubts about their performance just few weeks ago. The issue is that they are expensive to use and complex - need quite a large training and their production rate is slow meaning Ukraine will not get enough systems to cover larger area any time soon. Country is too large. On long run they will get more of those systems and Ukraine will be super loaded with western weapons and systems like it is full member of NATO at the end.
    No they haven't, Russia managed to hit dozens of strategic targets with missiles over the past 48hrs.
    So much for your magic German and US-Norwegian air defense systems.

    Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full member of NATO, that is for certain.
    You can't join NATO with a border dispute in progress, it's against the membership rules.

    Therefore Ukraine can't join NATO until it's military is defeated by Russia, and the government surrenders.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:50 pm

    No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are
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    Post  Erk Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:53 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are

    Don't make me laugh.
    The minute the conflict ends, all economic support from the West will cease, Ukraine will no longer be the money laundering capital of Europe.
    They will be utterly bankrupt, with a 3rd world energy system, sovereign defaults all over the place.

    The latest tally is 4.8million Ukrainians have fled as refugees to Russia now.

    Plus another 5million or more to the EU, and the millions of former Ukrainian citizens which are now in the 4 new Russian Oblasts.

    Ukraine is already starting to look like a rump state, and Russia hasn't started yet.

    That will teach them to attack Russian territory.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:07 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are

    Nor will it become a full member of NATO

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    Post  Backman Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:10 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are

    Nor will it become a full member of NATO

    Getting ahead of ourselves.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:11 pm

    Romania is a NATO member.
    That will be more or less the Ukro size when Russkie will finish.
    Aside from the fact that it will be a shithole jealous of the Somalian standards of living.

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    Post  Regular Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:11 pm

    Ukraine will exist, but in what form is another question. There is no need to occupy it when their politicians can be bought for very little as there won't be any economy left.

    I am thinking of big Transnistria. Very possible outcome.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:12 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are

    Well, without energy, heating, and destroyed infrastructure, it will become less and less of a real state, and more of a rump with small population, and lost generations born into poverty , lack of education,

    Most of the Ukrainian breadbasket, industry, port infrastructure, scientific and research centers have been destroyed, from rocket and missile plants to tank and machine building plants , neon and other rare gas producing plants, and now electrical substations and powerplants

    I would also say if they start targeting gas pipelines at some point, that Ukraine is finished as a sovereign state

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:20 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    When war started, they were using these red colored , winged decoys that look like small cruise missiles, I recall pictures of them back in February but have not seen them since

    And I am not talking about those dart shaped decoys from Iskander

    These were red winged decoys
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    Chernishiv had an arrival half an hour ago.

    Good find, I tried to look for them but could not find them

    Are these being used as well?

    I think decoys that would help SEAD should be developed

    Some wingman drones that fly slaved to 1 su34 or several slaved to a bomber that fly dispersed and ahead of the main plane

    Imagine a 2 plane flight with 2 drones embedded with them flying slaved

    So each plane would command 1 drone, and the maneuvering would not be so difficult,

    They would fly in straight line and yaw or roll and pitch in a straight flight path during a bombing mission

    Maybe there are better solutions, but MAWS coupled with a slaved wingman would assist , it could draw radar guided missiles, and the MAWS would pick up passive optically guided missiles
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    Post  mnztr Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:25 pm

    mr_hd wrote:

    So far both German and US-Norwegian air defense systems proved to be quite efficient in interception. Those are not well tested systems and there were doubts about their performance just few weeks ago. The issue is that they are expensive to use and complex - need quite a large training and their production rate is slow meaning Ukraine will not get enough systems to cover larger area any time soon. Country is too large. On long run they will get more of those systems and Ukraine will be super loaded with western weapons and systems like it is full member of NATO at the end.

    Does not matter if they are 100% efficient as there are not enough of them, and each interception costs more then the missile it shoots down. Esp with Geraniums. Each NASMS has 6 rounds. each round is at least $1m. They have 2 launchers.

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    Post  zepia Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:31 pm

    The Duran live from yesterday (17 Nov)

    Majority of time they talk about usual staffs in the scope of SMO eg. so-called war of attrition concept, degradation of western support, Russian diplomacy moves, Kherson etc. But what catch my interest is Alexander's experience when he visited Russia (he visited some kind of manufactures I assumed). He said Russian manufacturer are not operate on just-in-time basis, but they usually stockpiling materials at their factory to be less dependent on logistic, which make sense to them since Russia is a vast country with unfriendly weather. Of course that have been consider as "inefficient" by western logic, but also allow to instantly ramp up production when needed. And he also noted that experience from the great patriotic war influenced this setup. Like they are build for this kind of war.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:36 pm

    Surovikin deliver any care packages today? Oh and Ms. Low Def, enough with the NAFO propaganda. NAFO air defense hasn't stopped much and nor has Ukraine's. So stop lying to yourself.

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    Post  mr_hd Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:48 pm

    Erk wrote:...
    Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full member of NATO, that is for certain.
    ...
    Strategic goals - to have installed pro Russian government in Ukraine is missed already and with that chance to control Ukraine. It is watershed historical moment with enormous repercussions for Russia, Ukraine, Euroasia etc. Russia is not on any security table in Europe right now, all doors are closed. Ukraine on the other hand will be further supplied with finance and weapons from West, it is member of western alliances in all but name. This is now turning into real war and Russia prospects are not good, still is behind Ukraine on the ground and trying to catch up, no one could predict that Ukraine will be able to respond so fast, strong and efficient... and now Ukraine is pissed, united 40millions people, has far the strongest leader on planet and wants each cm of its territory back including Crimea. In meantime Putin can continue to hide in bunker in Kremlin. Good luck with trying to discuss Russian security concerns with Ukraine, that train is gone.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:50 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Surovikin deliver any care packages today? Oh and Ms. Low Def, enough with the NAFO propaganda.  NAFO air defense hasn't stopped much and nor has Ukraine's.  So stop lying to yourself.

    They need to dismantle some washing machines to grab the processors for rockets first Laughing Laughing
    Seriously, there is something in the air each day.
    The daily report of MoD will tell in detail tomorrow.

    zepia wrote:He said Russian manufacturer are not operate on just-in-time basis, but they usually stockpiling materials at their factory to be less dependent on logistic, which make sense to them since Russia is a vast country with unfriendly weather.

    JIT is a bizarre Japanese concept made in a small country, with a waste transport connection, close location of a chain of suppliers, and figured out in times of prosperity.
    If not for the stocks, my own company would be dead of covid. Logistics was dead for more than half a year, globally.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:15 pm

    mr_hd wrote:
    Erk wrote:...
    Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full member of NATO, that is for certain.
    ...
    Strategic goals - to have installed pro Russian government in Ukraine is missed already and with that chance to control Ukraine. It is watershed historical moment with enormous repercussions for Russia, Ukraine, Euroasia etc.

    its not worth controlling anything, most of it is destroyed Laughing

    Russia is not on any security table in Europe right now, all doors are closed. Ukraine on the other hand will be further supplied with finance and weapons from West, it is member of western alliances in all but name. This is now turning into real war and Russia prospects are not good, still is behind Ukraine on the ground and trying to catch up, no one could predict that Ukraine will be able to respond so fast, strong and efficient...


    they apparently hit Poland, and NATO shit itself Laughing real war? Thats why im pissed, it doesnt seem like a real war, more like a slaughter of hohols while the Russian army prances to and fro with leisure

    I want some bombing dammit


    and now Ukraine is pissed, united 40millions people, has far the strongest leader on planet and wants each cm of its territory back including Crimea. In meantime Putin can continue to hide in bunker in Kremlin. Good luck with trying to discuss Russian security concerns with Ukraine, that train is gone.

    lol half of them have left the country, and the coked leader is sitting in the dark - i dont think trains will be running at all in Ukraine btw
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:55 pm

    zepia wrote:The Duran live from yesterday (17 Nov)

    Majority of time they talk about usual staffs in the scope of SMO eg. so-called war of attrition concept, degradation of western support, Russian diplomacy moves, Kherson etc. But what catch my interest is Alexander's experience when he visited Russia (he visited some kind of manufactures I assumed). He said Russian manufacturer are not operate on just-in-time basis, but they usually stockpiling materials at their factory to be less dependent on logistic, which make sense to them since Russia is a vast country with unfriendly weather. Of cause that have been consider as "inefficient" by western logic, but also allow to instantly ramp up production when needed. And he also noted that experience from the great patriotic war influenced this setup. Like they are build for this kind of war.

    From 32.30
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    The metric defines the topology. The "efficiency" metric used by the western worms is profit maximization through cost reduction. Just in time
    is based on the Mickey Mouse notion that you do not have dead stock which cannot be used and needs to be unloaded at a loss later. This is
    something that a marketing-retard conceived. It assumes that there are no costs associated with supply delays. So customers must wait
    for products to be delivered/stocked because some prat wants to maximize profits. But those customers either shop elsewhere or do without.
    Anyone doing shopping in the 1980s will recall that supply was more predictable before the JIT craze took over. I know that JIT applies to
    manufacturer supply chains but end consumers experience all the glory of this moronic practice.

    In networks you have buffers for a reason. The economy is a type of network and there are way too many variables for a fully predictable
    clockwork alignment of all network IO (supply chains).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:09 pm

    🇺🇦❗Ivano-Frankivsk Mayor Ruslan Martsinkiv urged residents of high-rise buildings to go to the village for the winter

    Martsinkiv believes that the situation with electricity will only get worse.

    "I recommend finding a place to stay in the countryside or in individual houses. Someone may have a family, acquaintances in the villages. It is advisable to agree on accommodation, it will be very difficult to survive in apartment buildings," he said.

    Ukraine won't be around for very long

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:30 pm

    There is a quite an interesting point in the latest Ukro regime calls.
    They are trying to lower the general power consumption.
    I will tell you the case from my own experience.
    It is valid considering the urbanization level and HDI factors we generally shared with the Ukraine (not Ukropistan), and some nuances can be hard to get by the fellow members who live in less urbanized areas.
    We had a hell of a hurricane once, a year ago. Nothing serious in general, really minor human losses.
    But the influence to the living standard was mindblowing.
    For example, the destruction of a power grid caused a kill of the sewage system to work.
    An effect was, that after +/-24h, shit was flowing out of toilets - literally.
    As I was driving along a route, everything was a dead blackout. In 50 km route, there was ONE household with lights on - they had some generator or something.
    The most energy-consuming is to guarantee work of water supply, sewage system, and trash treatment.
    Those are the factors along with a direct gas/heat/power supply nobody thinks about - so clear it is to have it cared of that we forget the matter.
    The higher building is - the more energy is to be spent on supplying it with those.
    Sorry t be in a Captain Obvious mode, but I do take into consideration, that some of us are living on the other side of a planet - literally.
    If you have your own water supply, heating is not needed due to the weather, water is hot because the Sun did that in a tank you have on the roof, you can't get the picture. Your life is different, as easy as that.
    Waste treatment is important enough, that Italian mafia that took it as a part of activities was able to put on knees Italian govt a while ago, forcing them to negotiate a bribe - openly speaking Laughing


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    This guy is hilarious, the most powerful leader in the world

    If you guys get a chance to watch the impressions, you should do it

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