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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:32 pm

    In the Avdeevka area (DPR), a US-made AN / TPQ-50 counterbattery radar was destroyed.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:05 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:Although you all write about aviation and ground forces, the fact is that the Caspian Flotilla and the Black Sea Fleet did a lot of work in returning Ukroshitstan to the pre-Tesla period.

    The pics are for references I suppose?
    The first one is 3M54 AShM. Ukrs didn't have a target worth it even back in 2014 Laughing

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:06 pm

    Even if I accept that Ukraine is indeed shooting down Russian cruise missiles, I wonder how Ukraine, in the middle of a war, integrates NASAMS, IRIS-T, Gepard and S-300 into a common air defence network?
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:08 pm

    They won't.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Per hour ? Hard to believe. The barrel would double in diameter at this rate with the heat.
    Is it, really? 300 rounds in 2 hours is 2.5 rounds per minute. Or one round every 24 seconds. Sustained rate of fire for howitzers of the caliber is around 2-3 rounds per minute. For older guns it would be pushing it but that part of the world gets really cold even during daytime especially now that winter is just poking its nose in.

    Sujoy wrote:Even if I accept that Ukraine is indeed shooting down Russian cruise missiles, I wonder how Ukraine, in the middle of a war, integrates NASAMS, IRIS-T, Gepard and S-300 into a common air defence network?
    They don't. These systems just wait until NATO HQ phones and tells them there's an incoming their way. In theory, that is. Most of the time they only know they are under attack when the first missile has hit its target. That's how they got so many hohols burned in their bunks, when a warning would've emptied the building in less than a minute.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I checked Reddit this morning and on anime sub there was some retard from Kiev

    People in Kiev still have enough electricity and spare time to whine on Reddit about anime

    This is a failure on Russia's part that needs to be rectified ASAP



    I already had problems taking you serious but after reading this it's game over.

    An anime sub? On Reddit? That's bad enough in and of itself but aren't you a 50+ year old Serbian boomer on top of that?

    Pure comedy.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:48 pm

    lyle6 wrote:They don't. These systems just wait until NATO HQ phones and tells them there's an incoming their way. In theory, that is. Most of the time they only know they are under attack when the first missile has hit its target. That's how they got so many hohols burned in their bunks, when a warning would've emptied the building in less than a minute.
    That's probably the only plausible explanation.

    Some military analysts suggest that Greece was able to integrate S-300, Osa-AKM and Tor-M1 into NATO's air defence network so Ukraine has done something similar.

    However, for Ukraine to achieve that Almaz will have to provide integration assistance and help with debugging.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:47 pm

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    What is appalling, is not the shirt this girl is wearing

    Which is basically a quote from a Ukrainian diplomatic to Kazakh that more Russians must be killed

    What is appalling to me, is that there are genuinely a majority of Russian people, who are genuinely shocked by this

    Russian people, for the most part are smart and down to earth people

    But when it comes to Ukraine, the vast majority of our people are like 2 year old infants in their perceptions of Ukrainians

    There was a documentary where a filmmaker is showing how Ukrainians and their kids chant to kill Moskals

    And the old Russian women are in denial about it

    That is why the SMO is conducted the way it is

    Because people in Russia, are willfully ignorant, and willfully cover up the crimes or outright deny the criminal disposition of the brotherly people

    There should be a study conducted on the cult like mentality of Russians towards Ukrainians

    So many people are prepared to make guys pay a price, to "rescue" these genocidal maniacs

    These people don't want to be rescued by us

    In fact it's embarassing that most of our people believe this, that somewhere in Ukraine, most people want to be rescued , and are pro russian , never-mind that in cities like Kharkov, guys were murdered, guys were executed, never-mind that in Kherson they threw bandera smoothies at our columns-

    Trust me young guy, Ukrainians are brothers

    Now Granted,  it is mainly women, mostly older women, who make up the vast majority of the putin supporting, Ukrainian brotherly people embracing populace

    And this demographic is what has fucked us in the SMO

    These nazis do not hide their desserts , named after killing Russian babies, their torchlight marches, their fanatical behavior

    And babushkas are asking, how is it possible for young children to say this

    Most of the Soviet boomer populace, needs to disappear , they have fucked us , with their nostalgic bullshit , fantasy perception of all these Ukrainians
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:32 pm





    They better manufacture some more sections , just in case of more attacks or accidental damage . Costs are less now , and easier , than restarting project altogether .

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:35 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:* 23:10 🇷🇺🇺🇦 A large destroyed column of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction. A lot of burnt armored vehicles of the Ukrainian army, including T-72M1 tanks transferred by Poland.
    https://t.me/intelslava/41341 .....

    Media is too big

    Media is too big

    Media is too big

    Media is too big

    .....

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:38 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I checked Reddit this morning and on anime sub there was some retard from Kiev

    People in Kiev still have enough electricity and spare time to whine on Reddit about anime

    This is a failure on Russia's part that needs to be rectified ASAP

    I already had problems taking you serious but after reading this it's game over.

    An anime sub? On Reddit? That's bad enough in and of itself but aren't you a 50+ year old Serbian boomer on top of that?
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    40+ GenX, you dumb unemployed fanboy fück

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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:54 pm

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    A monument to Olga Katsura was unveiled in Donetsk.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:56 am

    Because they need to. After the 2nd or 3rd shot, the pzh2000 and krab are extremely accurate, due to a digital FCS and much longer range(30km regular round, 40km RAP, 60km Smart or excalibur, while 24.7km, regular, 30km RAP, 27km krasnopol for msta) . The msta and giatsint arent and without krasnopol, need to fire 10-50 rounds at a target to disable it..

    Why do you keep talking about artillery like it is a short range cruise missile substitute?

    Artillery is used against attacking and retreating infantry and vehicles... you don't aim for individual targets, you deliver a spread of explosive shells that covers the target area in fragments so that most things in that area get damaged or injured or destroyed.

    Russian artillery will savage an area with fragments and HE and then move... orc artillery will be based on one or two vehicles and can fire a few shots and then run away... it is like comparing a forest fire to a candle.

    But you think the candle is better... maybe for reading a book at night but when you have a forest of enemy soldiers you want to get rid of... a forest fire is best.

    If they are quite close then you ask Pinocchio.

    Russian ammo expenditure is a sign of obsolete tech, not superiority.

    No, it is a sign that they are killing Orcs in large numbers at a time, while the Orcs are trying to kill Russians one at a time.

    That being said, NATO artillery really doesn't cope withe xtended fire, but it doesn't need to. actual NATO coalition armies, with about 700-900 pzh2000, archer, krab, AS-90, paladin, M198 would the wipe the floor against 2000-3000 D-20s, 2S19M2, D-30s, msta-B, giatsint B, pion

    And how effective would they be when irradiated.

    The Orcs already have more than half of HATO artillery and are getting some systems before the HATO countries that own them have them... not to mention their ammo stocks.

    Part of their problems with these guns is that they are using the ammo they have instead of using the special ammo each different gun requires and was made for their own gun system... HATO is designed to work as separate gangs who don't share ammo or equipment or tools, and when they do it all turns to crap.

    As artillery pieces the HATO shit is only good at being very short range Tochkas... tiny payloads though...

    You see HATO wants long range precision of a ballistic missile but for the price of artillery so they have ruined their artillery which can no longer deliver the amount of shells needed for most support roles... they wouldn't have enough ammo for that anyway, but at the same time they don't have the range or HE power of a proper ballistic missile... but I would think the 20-30 rounds of each you would have to fire to get the same effect as a 500kg warhead on target would cost more than a Tochka anyway.

    Even if I accept that Ukraine is indeed shooting down Russian cruise missiles, I wonder how Ukraine, in the middle of a war, integrates NASAMS, IRIS-T, Gepard and S-300 into a common air defence network?

    They likely receive messages from HATO countries monitoring from HATO airspace... which means small targets like drones and cruise missiles will be difficult for them to get early warning over...

    There won't be coordination of systems, which will limit the effect they will have.

    Some military analysts suggest that Greece was able to integrate S-300, Osa-AKM and Tor-M1 into NATO's air defence network so Ukraine has done something similar.

    A decent IADS would use two way communication, which in this case would betray the locations of the air defence platforms... they will be using any AD vehicle that works... I doubt they would be upgrading them to HATO standard... which isn't a high standard for IADS.

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