Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

mr_hd wrote:

Erk wrote:...
Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full member of NATO, that is for certain.
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Strategic goals - to have installed pro Russian government in Ukraine is missed already and with that chance to control Ukraine. It is watershed historical moment with enormous repercussions for Russia, Ukraine, Euroasia etc. Russia is not on any security table in Europe right now, all doors are closed. Ukraine on the other hand will be further supplied with finance and weapons from West, it is member of western alliances in all but name. This is now turning into real war and Russia prospects are not good, still is behind Ukraine on the ground and trying to catch up, no one could predict that Ukraine will be able to respond so fast, strong and efficient... and now Ukraine is pissed, united 40millions people, has far the strongest leader on planet and wants each cm of its territory back including Crimea. In meantime Putin can continue to hide in bunker in Kremlin. Good luck with trying to discuss Russian security concerns with Ukraine, that train is gone.

Are you finished?

Ok back to the real world. Russia doesn't care about being on any NATO security table, just like NATO is not at Russia's security table. Russia is on the security table with other countries such as China, Iran, India, Turkey and that's all that matters to Russia.

Even Milley is now privately urging US politicians to pressure the Ukraine into negotiations.

Your accusation of turning into a real war looks out of place. It was a real war since day 1. If there is anything that's changing, it's mostly from Russia's side, in that it has become more willing to go after Ukrainian infrastructure and wage a long campaign.

A united 40 mil population, 1/3rd of which is in Europe now or more, and the fighting men of which have suffered enormous casualties, led by a coke-addled president out of touch of reality, trying to goad NATO into a direct conflict with Russia over blatant bullshit about a missile hitting Poland, the 'strongest leader on planet' as you call him - is not a threat to Russia at all. Nor him, nor them, nor all their aspirations of taking back 'every cm', and the Crimea which never belonged to them in the first place. Their opinions on the issue are not even worth discussing, nor of interest to anyone in the Donbass or the Crimea, much less Russia. This broken-down country with its infrastructure being steadily taken out cannot push back Russia or win against Russia, all it can do is serve as a road-bump; and those who've by now realized this such as Milley, are more concerned about preserving their regime and their manpower to fight another day than letting them fight to the bitter end right now.

If they will not discuss anything so then the war will keep going and the entirety of Ukrainian territory will eventually become part of Russia, same fate as awaited the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. This will solve the issue of a pro-Russian government in the Ukraine.
But I personally hope we avoid this, I'm not voicing any preference, simply saying how things can eventually end up if the Ukraine sticks to its maximalist position and thus forces Russia into one as well.

Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 17 Nov 2022

🩸 Russian forces have again carried out massive attacks on Ukraine's critical infrastructure today.

Energy facilities in #Odessa, #Vinnitsa, #Dnepropetrovsk and the #Kiev region were hit.

In addition, the Shebelinsky State Bearing Plant near #Balakleya in #Kharkov region, a mining facility in #Kiev region, a Yuzhmash workshop in #Dnepropetrovsk, a logistics hub in #Ochakov, and a military unit at #Zastava in #Odessa were also hit.

An unidentified object was hit in the #Stryisky district of #Lvov region.

Air defence systems were triggered in #Poltava and #Cherkasy regions.

#Crimea:

In #Feodosia, an Ukrainian drone attempted to attack the #Kafa power substation, but the facility suffered no damage.

In #Dzhankoy, air defence assets went off in the evening, there is no information about the arrivals.

#Belgorod Region:

Ukrainian militants shelled the town of #Shebekino, wounding a fifteen-year-old girl.

The enemy also hit a power substation in the #Belgorod region, damaging two transformers. There were no casualties and power supply was restored.

#Starobelsk Direction:

There were no significant changes on the frontline.

The AFU tried to attack east of #Makeyevka towards #Ploshchanka, but came under artillery fire and withrew.

Similar attempts are repeated in some parts of the front.

#Soledar Direction (MAP):

Wagner PMC troops are actively conducting an offensive on the southeastern outskirts of #Opytnoye and near #Bakhmut (#Artemovsk).

The enemy in #Bakhmut tried to attack Russian positions in the city, but the attack was repulsed. In the city itself, Ukrainian fighters set up fortifications and firing positions in residential areas.

The 53rd Mechanized Brigade of the AFU suffered significant casualties, including the commander killed by Russian forces.

According to some reports, the enemy blew up a bridge over Bakhmutka River near Sol station.

#Lugansk People's Republic:

Ukrainian militants shelled the town of #Stakhanov with HIMARS, killing several people, injuring three and destroying an apartment building.

Russian air defences intercepted enemy shells near #Rubezhnoye and #Zimogorya.

#Donetsk direction (MAP):

The 100th Brigade of the DPR People's Militia established control over the key #Basseyn stronghold southeast of #Nevelskoye.

The AFU has tried twice to retake the place but was unsuccessful. The position makes it possible to keep the road from #Krasnogorovka to #Pervomayskoye under fire control.

At the same #time, Russian units were clearing the outskirts of #Opytnoye and #Vodyanoye.

Enemy militants again shelled #Donetsk, #Yasynuvata, #Gorlovka and #Ilovaysk, where a railway line was damaged.

#Zaporozhye Direction:

Artillery duels continue, Russian forces shelling targets in #Zaliznichnoye, #Olgovskoye, #Volnyansk, #Gulyaypole and #Gulyaypolskoye.

#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

Russian missile forces and artillery hit AFU positions in #Kherson, #Chernobaevka, #Antonovka, #Kachkarovka and #Osokorovka.


https://t.me/sitreports/938

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/70705

The Terminators are somewhere on the frontline.

But the comment is interesting.

"Here they are, the beauties".

I consider that as a pro for a system, agree?

flamming_python wrote:his broken-down country with its infrastructure being steadily taken out cannot push back Russia or win against Russia, all it can do is serve as a road-bump; and those who've by now realized this such as Milley, are more concerned about preserving their regime and their manpower to fight another day than letting them fight to the bitter end right now.

They can die.
The case is as easy as that.
While the Russkie will hardly sweat.
Taking out "the mightiest army of Europe", "55 nations united" and "the ultimate might of NATO" assisted.
That is scary. Seriously.

Wagner unit "Angry North" training. Western experts: Russians can´t fight in winter. 

New bridge to Azovstal

One of the small troop concentrations

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:DNR said a long time ago that specifically Ukie artillery operatives would not be spared, for 1000s of good reasons.

I talked to a girl from Ternopol (western Ukraine) earlier on in the war

She said their guys are afraid to surrender as during the last war, the rebels had executed people from Western Ukraine. I heard about that previous, but only in regards to members of Pravyj Sektor. Maybe she was talking about the same thing. I don't think any ordinary conscripts or officers from western Ukraine were ever killed after capture.

Ukrops also believe that they dug out the black sea with wooden spoons and used all the dirt to create the caucasian mountains.
It is no suprise that these idiots believe the nonsense about washing maschines, toilet bowls, women's lingerie and make-up. Deep disgust will make a person believe almost anything about their "enemy"

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Ukraine isn't ceasing to exist you, delusional soul, that would mean Russia absorbing every piece of the country which they aren't going to do and if you think they are going to take the entire thing well that alone speaks of how out of touch with reality you are

Nor will it become a full member of NATO

When the war ends whatever is left will join nato

Ukro Uragans with some technical difficulties

Uncle Joe

Zaporoshye was visited by some Geran-2 drones.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:...

When the war ends whatever is left will join nato

Ukraine won't be allowed NATO membership.
They are a terrorist state, and we know what others like Turkey think of terrorists.

Ukraine is NOT a democracy.
At best you could call them a Military Dictatorship.
Why do you think Zelensky wears army greens all the time?
Putin stated back in Feb that the primary goal was to de-militarize Ukraine.
Think about that.

Trouble is, the military is being controlled via Washington and the UK.
So they have to convinced to stop funding the war in Ukraine first.

Russia is doing that slowly by it's actions.

The shelling of Ukrainian energy infrastructure achieves multiple goals.
It interferes with the movement of the Ukrainian military.
But just as important, it makes the citizens ask "Why is Russia doing this?"
Kiev will say because "Putin is evil" and that will mostly be believed by the sheeple, but others will notice that Putin wasn't doing that before, and may wonder "what changed?".

MR HD is a **** that has already written PUBLICLY here that he is in this conflict for Ukrops. Since Garry didn't block Ukronazi and 'elensky fan, you block it and get rid of the trash. Why do you answer him at all?

How can Ukraine join NATO

When Finland and Sweden won't make it in?

PapaDragon wrote:

Russia may be building more missiles

I should have been a journalist, much easier job...  

Well its possible Captain Picard flew through a time warp and lent Putin a replicator.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

When the war ends whatever is left will join nato

Well it's either going to be a pretty small piece left or the war won't end, not without an iron-clad agreement

Why would the Russians end the war just for the bulk of the Ukraine to then join NATO and be armed up again?

Once again, the only thing that can end the war prematurely are negotiations. And there are two conditions there. One is the territorial recognition. Was originally of just the Donbass and the Crimea, but now the land-bridge to the Crimea as well due to Zelensky being retarded. The second condition is neutrality; probably including a guarantee of access to Pridnestrovie as well. That's it. War won't end without that.

flamming_python wrote:Once again, the only thing that can end the war prematurely are negotiations. And there are two conditions there. One is the territorial recognition. Was originally of just the Donbass and the Crimea, but now the land-bridge to the Crimea as well due to Zelensky being retarded. The second condition is neutrality; probably including a guarantee of access to Pridnestrovie as well. That's it. War won't end without that.

Nothing the stinking Ukrop regime signs has any value whatsoever.  These lying thieving genocidal murderous cnts will not think twice about violating any agreement when it suits them.

Russia must destroy the Ukropi regime and install a puppet government of loyal Russian-speaking East (ex-)Ukrainians to adminster a military protectorate answerable solely to Moscow.  Only that can guarantee no backsliding by whatever rump Ukraine is left after nature takes its inevitable course.

Death and destruction are coming for the regime.  The best the regime criminals can hope for is to escape to NATOstan, or failing that, a quick death.

PapaDragon wrote:
I checked Reddit this morning and on anime sub there was some retard from Kiev

People in Kiev still have enough electricity and spare time to whine on Reddit about anime

This is a failure on Russia's part that needs to be rectified ASAP

still too many lights on

crod wrote:

still too many lights on

Yeah, Russia should destroy Ukraine's nuclear power plants too

Erk wrote:

crod wrote:

still too many lights on

Yeah, Russia should destroy Ukraine's nuclear power plants too

Not destroy, but they should occupy a few more of them, and disconnect their power to the rest of the country. Elensky was working with cookie monster Nuland to build up a bio weapons program, and Noodles even admitted it. With all the nuclear waste lying around those plants, and given Elensky's complete disregard for human life I would not put beyond them making a dirty bomb with some of that. Remember, a nuke requires specially processed stuff, dirty bombs just need radioactive materials tied to a conventional explosive. They aren't military weapons, they are terrorist weapons and so yeah I could see the Ukes, with US assistance, putting some together. So no, while Russia should not bomb them, they should seize most of them as is practicable for them.