Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

Azi wrote:

limb wrote:Will russia destroy the dnepr bridges now, since its impossible to take anything west of the dniepr now?

They could have done it right at the beginning of the war, but that would deprive Ukraine of the possibility of resupply and the chance to kill Russian soldiers. So NO! Kharkiv und Saporoschje continue to be well supplied by train and motorways.

But now I'm sure someone will tell me that this is just a ruse used by the Russian army to weaken Ukraine by leaving the bridges intact

A quick count reveals 44 bridges / dams across the Dniepr.

I don't like them withdrawing but I don't know what is happening.

In the next weeks an additional 238.000 russian soldiers will come to the frontlines.
Plus volunteers.
Plus some additional units that were withdrawn in March or are still waiting in western Russia for an NATO attack.
You don´t do this and then make some shitty deal with Nazis.
Pulling the troops back (maybe, maybe not) is done because of the danger from a broken dam.
At the end of this war Russia will decide which territories it will incorporate. I hope they take all, even Lviv, show the Nazis who is boss.
Don´t leave some save heaven for Bandera worshippers!

A last remark about manpower. The problem will be solved in the next weeks, but if the problem would make a comeback somewhere...
Use the f...ing concsripts! The are 18+ and soldiers. At least send them to the 2nd echelon. You can´t talk about the existential threat to Russia
all the time but keep 150.000 or so trained soldiers out of the conflict. Why spend hundreds of millions on their training each year?

Possible solution: line them up and ask them if they are ready to defend their country. If so give them a 1 year contract. Bingo. No longer conscripts.

par far wrote:


I don't like them withdrawing but I don't know what is happening.

Too much copium

Kind of funny to see Alamo, Flaming and others completely wrong and completely disconnected from the reality that is easy to see with own eyes

You don't have to be an idiot and call people 6th column to use your own brain

Actually Surovikhin announced "tough decisions" when he was appointed to handle the military defeat of Russian Army

I won't blame VKS, VMF or SV, they did as told, we all know who is at fault

But you must have a brain to reason, and extrapolate obvious information

You should get ready and tighten up for "tough decisions" in Zaporozhye and Kherson

Donbass will be free by 2055

Arkanghelsk wrote:

par far wrote:


I don't like them withdrawing but I don't know what is happening.

Too much copium

Kind of funny to see Alamo, Flaming and others completely wrong and completely disconnected from the reality that is easy to see with own eyes

You don't have to be an idiot and call people 6th column to use your own brain

Actually Surovikhin announced "tough decisions" when he was appointed to handle the military defeat of Russian Army

I won't blame VKS, VMF or SV, they did as told, we all know who is at fault

But you must have a brain to reason, and extrapolate obvious information

You should get ready and tighten up for "tough decisions" in Zaporozhye and Kherson

Donbass will be free by 2055

You need a Richter scale to measure the incompetence of Russian/Soviet leadership going back to the late USSR. I thought I would never live to see a humiliation matching what Gorbachev pulled off; now I am not so sure.

The only thing that bothers me is that Russia never announced or gave any estimates as to how many ukrainian troops are left in Kyiv or how many ukrainian troops are in Odessa since this entire war I guess. Because it would sort of help us keep track how many mercenaries they throw in with their remaining forces and sort of predict how many offensives Ukraine can pull before they start to collapse

flamming_python wrote:..........What is with this humanitarian crisis death porn?

Going down the Arkhangelsk route

Best the Kiev/Kievan Rus elite finally get a clue and re-open negotiations. Because otherwise the Ukraine will be split down the middle by Russia and NATO, however many months or years of war later

What negotiations? With who? Have you been smoking Lenin's shit again?

If anyone tries to split that shithole just start exterminating anything coming in from the western border, easiest thing in the world  



There is nothing in Kiev worth preserving other than couple of medieval buildings, just one giant commie built Nazi spawning ground

Kill the power, cut the water to get that cesspool emptied and then go rolling thunder on it (I wouldn't even bother with first two steps myself buy Russian gotta pussyfoot)

Initially it appears like a very strange decision indeed. So much material being transported into the region, energy infrastructure was brought down, air defense clearly minimalized, massive attrition for Ukraine forces (although, somehow, they still manage to pour in a continuous stream of troops and material).

As your typical armchair general, you'd think this is the time to make advantage of the situation, advance, reinforce structures making it harder for Ukraine to regain territory before the next round of Ukraine's mobilization and training has completed and supplies have replenished.

I also find it hard to believe that logistics are at play here, the lines are still relatively short. Not sure if this is military deception or that certain politics and backchannel negotiations (sanctions related) are playing a role here.

Maybe just pull back, wait for the winter and more easily accessible terrain and indeed spare your men and resources, e.g., the mud stretches resources, troops and isn't really good for the lifespan of your armored equipment.

i've no idea what is going on except:

1. he did indeed say upon his appointment that tough decisions were going to have to be made - tactical spoof or not, i cannot speak for him
2. a shed load of equipment has been streaming into the area for weeks now

i'm just going to sit back and watch. time will tell what is going on.

Spin it however you wont, the bottom line is, Russia is not capable of holding territory for whatever reason and that is a genuine concern. This “withdrawal” may be a necessary tactical decision to preserve lives, but the only reason it is necessary is because logistics and tactics failed in the first place.
I guess the silver lining is, we now know that if Russia is incapable of defeating “mighty” Ukronazistan they sure as hell have no business taking on Nato , might as well take the “deal” bend over to the west and keep nukes on stand by just in case they get a dumb idea to invade after this clusterfuck because Russian military standing has taken a battering not seen since the 90’s and that will only further embolden it’s enemies to try more brazen things.

Now time to take a long break from this crap, the news, this forum, delete TG and go on a holiday.

crod wrote:i've no idea what is going on except:

1. he did indeed say upon his appointment that tough decisions were going to have to be made - tactical spoof or not, i cannot speak for him
2. a shed load of equipment has been streaming into the area for weeks now

i'm just going to sit back and watch. time will tell what is going on.

What we all should do. I don't like the move if they do it but I'm not the one in charge

limb wrote:Will russia destroy the dnepr bridges now, since its impossible to take anything west of the dniepr now?

i don't see any reason to. I think its an open question if Ukraine forces will dare to cross all that open farmland and try and occupy Kherson, Russia will leave some troops there for sure. A small contingent for observation and targeting. If Ukraine waltzes in and takes Kherson without suffering any losses then its truly time to lose confidence in Russias military and rename the Gen. Armageddon to Gen. Snowflake.

Serberus wrote:Spin it however you wont, the bottom line is, Russia is not capable of holding territory for whatever reason and that is a genuine concern. This “withdrawal” may be a necessary tactical decision to preserve lives, but the only reason it is necessary is because logistics and tactics failed in the first place.
I guess the silver lining is, we now know that if Russia is incapable of defeating “mighty” Ukronazistan they sure as hell have no business taking on Nato , might as well take the “deal” bend over to the west and keep nukes on stand by just in case they get a dumb idea to invade after this clusterfuck because Russian military standing has taken a battering not seen since the 90’s and that will only further embolden it’s enemies to try more brazen things.

Now time to take a long break from this crap, the news, this forum, delete TG and go on a holiday.

How long have they held Kaliningrad?

Serberus wrote:Spin it however you wont, the bottom line is, Russia is not capable of holding territory for whatever reason and that is a genuine concern. This “withdrawal” may be a necessary tactical decision to preserve lives, but the only reason it is necessary is because logistics and tactics failed in the first place.
I guess the silver lining is, we now know that if Russia is incapable of defeating “mighty” Ukronazistan they sure as hell have no business taking on Nato , might as well take the “deal” bend over to the west and keep nukes on stand by just in case they get a dumb idea to invade after this clusterfuck because Russian military standing has taken a battering not seen since the 90’s and that will only further embolden it’s enemies to try more brazen things.

Now time to take a long break from this crap, the news, this forum, delete TG and go on a holiday.

The Russian army is capable of dealing immense damage to NATO and Ukraine

The Russian army can WIN any war and any battle in this country of Ukraine

This fiasco would have been over back in March

Do you know why an "Arm chair " general knew more about this than Putin?

Because Putin has no fucking clue how to conduct a military operation

The people that do know, were overruled , fired, silenced, and called "6th column"

Putin, Shoigu, and the rest of the bureaucrats from Matvienko to Siluanov invented this SMO

An SMO were you expend thousands of weapons on small targets scattered throughout a battlefield the size of Texas

Do you know what an exercise in futility means?

It means you perform an exhausting and meticulous task, to accomplish an objective which cannot be achieved

And that is what the SMO is, he tried to compel his opponents, to surrender to him, by inflicting casualties on the military, both manpower and materiel

The west, which has not suffered any consequences except for minor inflation, took care of material , and Ukraine, genetically Russians, would fight this war to the last man- everyone knew that from day Z

So he cannot force them to negotiate, he cannot compel them to his will, and he paid , thousands of Russian lives, damage to Russian infrastructure, and irreparable harm to the morale and image of the Armed Forces

What has he gained? Fuckall

Because there is nothing to gain, from day 1, America prepared a trap for this imbecile

He needed to go in, and scorch the fucking place, and walk away, and make it impossible for the west to hold, and leave it as a scorched barrier between the southern Russian border , and the rest of NATO, filling it with army bases, and a depopulated state

That was the best he could hope for

And ANYONE knew this, anyone with a brain knew it

Noone could have seriously thought that Russia would rehabilitate Ukraine and compel them to rejoin the Russian world- because the elites were replaced, the intelligentsia co-opted, and the pro Russians , murdered, cleansed, and silenced by force

Georgia is incomparable, isolated in the Caucasus, mountainous, and small in size and population

And this clown believed he could scare the Ukrainians to demilitarize and stand down

The day he pulled out of Kiev is the day he should have leveled everything, because Ukraine is not going to stop, nor can it after what has been done

But when you are inept, and you take the words of inepts at face value, you are bamboozled when something so painfully clear, becomes incomprehensible because you buy your own bullshit

As others have commented that, whilst Zelensky jumped on it, many in the Ukrainian Military are regarding this announcement with caution, definitely having a good look in the mouth of this gift horse. In particular, they will be concerned that up to today Russia has resisted fiercely any attack and now they are expected to believe that these forces will suddenly withdraw.

At this time of year the only practical way to move is down the roads, due to mud and minefields, All of which will be preset on one side into Russian artillery and drone system computers based on the east side of the Dneiper, whilst on the other, Ukrainian artillery covering the same areas all the way to the west bank of the river. In a way this potentially turns the whole area into a kind of no-mans land, with light recce forces and UAVs roaming over it.

The timing is interesting, as it seems likely that the Russians could have continued as they are for a while yet but instead they have knowingly handed Zelensky on a plate the victory of forcing them back east of the Dneiper which he can take as a big positive to the G20 in 10 days.

As Russia has already announced that they are getting out, which the World will believe, there is even the strong possibility that the Ukrainians will not actually need to risk lives and equipment to, at least prior to that meeting, fully capture the area.

The next week or so will show but it does look possible that Kherson, maybe by agreement actual or tacit, will now become a relative ‘backwater’ until the Spring, with both sides moving forces east to the Donbas.

mnztr wrote:

How long have they held Kaliningrad?

Not hard to hold something that is not under attack.

Judging by the comments being made now by several Russian officials about willingness to negotiate, that agreement mentioned a day or so ago , or capitulation to be more precise, which included giving up Kherson and paying for restoration while keeping the meagre territories still in Russian hands, may not be so far fetched after all.

Anyway stay sane, till next time

Wow..  controversial developments to say the least  I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Armageddons office...

It seems that Russia has opted for fully securing the Western approach to the Krim peninsula so that the upcoming Winter offensives can concentate on less problematic fronts elsewhere?

IMHO this seems to rule out any idea that any imminenet offensive might seek to push thru Kherson to take Nikolayev and Odessa, & link with Transnistria. I think it was always more likely that Russia will strike for Zap city and concentarte on liberating the rest of Donetsk region.  

Interesting days/months lie ahead.  

PS: Operationally, what we are seeing could still be consistent with continued Russian defense of the city along the following lines:  Defensive lines of minefelds and anti-vehicle trenches, patrolled by surveillance UAVs and defended by precision arty (Krasnopol shells etc).   AFAIK this is the nature of the primary defenses used thus far to repel Ukrop offensives and probing attacks and it has been successful. Russian manpower on the west bank is kept to a minimum, deployed as fast recon, and with contingencies in place to allow them to quickly abandon positions and withdraw across the river.  Plausible? Maybe, which could explain the apparent Ukie apprehension...

The bigger issue would still be what's on Kherson people's mind. They might not be a matter to general's office the thing is that the feeling of being betrayed can be real. Like imagine just few months after Rosy referendum and "integration" to Russian federation.. They now have to evacuate and later hear this news of withdrawal, means the battlefield is getting closer to their home and their life. What's the point of those integration etc.. if in fact The Russians cannot defend them.

These people could be a ticking time bomb, holding grudge to the Russians. They can take it themselves or turned into SBU Agent.

Serberus wrote:
Not hard to hold something that is not under attack.

Judging by the comments being made now by several Russian officials about willingness to negotiate, that agreement mentioned a day or so ago , or capitulation to be more precise, which included giving up Kherson and paying for restoration while keeping the meagre territories still in Russian hands, may not be so far fetched after all.

Anyway stay sane, till next time

It's interesting to see how this will impact morale of Russian army and society as well as its standing among allies.
 
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zorobabel wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:So 11 AM we get to find out the official line on Kherson.  So help me if they take that deal.

I don't think Russia will retreat from Kherson. That would be a massive defeat and a reversal of one of the most important victories in the early part of the war.

Kherson is a mystery, Russia could have been taking out all the Ukrainian equipment as it was approaching Kehrson, and they choose not to, they let it build up.
There is obviously a strategy in play, but it's not clear exactly what.

Stealthflanker wrote:The bigger issue would still be what's on Kherson people's mind.  They might not be a matter to general's office the thing is that the feeling of being betrayed  can be real.  Like imagine just few months after Rosy referendum and "integration" to Russian federation.. They now have to evacuate and later hear this news of withdrawal, means the battlefield is getting closer to their home and their life.  What's the point of those integration etc.. if in fact The Russians cannot defend  them.

These people could be a ticking time bomb, holding grudge to the Russians. They can take it themselves or turned into SBU Agent.

If what is being said is true. I would not want to be a Ukrainian right now because its very likely Surovikin is bringing forward a can of whoop ass.

Erk wrote:

zorobabel wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:So 11 AM we get to find out the official line on Kherson.  So help me if they take that deal.

I don't think Russia will retreat from Kherson. That would be a massive defeat and a reversal of one of the most important victories in the early part of the war.

Kherson is a mystery, Russia could have been taking out all the Ukrainian equipment as it was approaching Kehrson, and they choose not to, they let it build up.
There is obviously a strategy in play, but it's not clear exactly what.

Its very much maskirovka. They are f***ing with NATO and Ukraine's minds.

flamming_python wrote:

sundoesntrise wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Aaaaand here come the doomers

Poor try to deflect.

Any words of wisdom on the recent announcement?

Specifically asking you, as you've evolved into the main propagandists on this board - basically blowing non stop smoke into people's eyes and leading the online witchhunts on the dissidents that dare to question the Kremlin's effort and strategy.

How nice of you to rejoin us sundoesntrise. Haven't seen you since the last Ukro propaganda offensive

How are Kissinger's efforts with the Chinese doing?

As planned. Man was outed as a Soviet spy by Frank Capell in the 70s already - just another Martini sipping 5000 USD suit wearing scumbag playing both sides, a game he eagerly extended to the Chinese when that opportunity arose.

The receipts are out there, and the more informed people on this board (for as much as they haven't been chased away) obviously know. In fact you have to be a fucking retard not to see that, but then again you fit that description. The Mithrokin Archive, Major Jordan's Diaries, all the defector literature, Diana West, Kay Griggs, Anthony C. Suttons work? Hello?

As for the faked optimism, at this point I am just here to harvest the sweet copes and salty tears. At a point in time it was cringe and now it's just moving beyond that stage to the point where you can only laugh about so much dimwitry, spin and cope.

Also please don't hold your breath waiting for the fabled Russian equivalent of Steiner storming in from the north.

This is it. It's only gonna get worse from here. Lil Putin should be on his knees thanking the Lord everyday day of the week if the (((Anglos))) let him keep at least a sliver of the 'newly acquired territories' - because at the sight of so much weakness, confusion and incompetence they might as well go for the killshot.

Let the cope run wild.

sundoesntrise wrote:

As planned. Man was outed as a Soviet spy by Frank Capell in the 70s already - just another Martini sipping 5000 USD suit wearing scumbag playing both sides, a game he eagerly extended to the Chinese when that opportunity arose.

The receipts are out there, and the more informed people on this board (for as much as they haven't been chased away) obviously know. In fact you have to be a fucking retard not to see that,  but then again you fit that description. The Mithrokin Archive, Major Jordan's Diaries, all the defector literature, Diana West, Kay Griggs, Anthony C. Suttons work? Hello?

As for the faked optimism, at this point I am just here to harvest the sweet copes and salty tears. At a point in time it was cringe and now it's just moving beyond that stage to the point where you can only laugh about so much dimwitry, spin and cope.

Also please don't hold your breath waiting for the fabled Russian equivalent of Steiner storming in from the north.

This is it. It's only gonna get worse from here. Lil Putin should be on his knees thanking the Lord everyday day of the week if the (((Anglos))) let him keep at least a sliver of the 'newly acquired territories' - because at the sight of so much weakness, confusion and incompetence they might as well go for the killshot.

Let the cope run wild.

It's all part of the plan,

Ukraine is going to run out of men any day now

They have no more tanks

They have no more manpower

It's just a propaganda win

They only retook Kiev, Kharkov, Kherson, Sumy, Chernigov

Russia still has Pavlovka, Lisichansk, and mariupol



Anyway the west will collapse, anyway Russia will retake Nikolayev

It's a 6d chess move, fucking with their heads

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