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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:52 pm

    par far wrote:
    famschopman wrote:US is close to invading Haiti to take their fuel res... bring democracy. Imagine the civilians getting access to manpads or lancets.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31 - Page 19 1f601


    How much gas reserves does Haiti actually have?

    I know it is far away but it would be very nice to see Russian weapons in Haiti.





    What gas reserves... Haitians could use such a break. The invasion is because the US installed government is losing control, not that they had much to begin with. The population is poor, desperate and restless.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:56 pm

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    Bulgarians are against delivering weapons to 404
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31 - Page 19 Pokrov10
    Ammo depot in Pokrovsk after Geran-2

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    Post  auslander Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:57 pm

    franco wrote:
    par far wrote:
    famschopman wrote:US is close to invading Haiti to take their fuel res... bring democracy. Imagine the civilians getting access to manpads or lancets.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31 - Page 19 1f601
    How much gas reserves does Haiti actually have? I know it is far away but it would be very nice to see Russian weapons in Haiti.

    What gas reserves... Haitians could use such a break. The invasion is because the US installed government is losing control, not that they had much to begin with. The population is poor, desperate and restless.

    1.3746822 cubic meters. Official estimate from Langley.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:05 pm

    * 21:37 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in the Dnepropetrovsk region. Geran hits targets
    https://t.me/intelslava/40613

    * 21:38 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Vinnytsa region. Also explosions
    https://t.me/intelslava/40614

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:16 pm

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    Post  11E Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:55 pm

    limb wrote:The ukrainians repaired and put their captured T-90M in service. It was left most likely by a guards division, and it shows that there was no sabotage

    Is there a doctrinal reason that when russians abandon a tank, they don't sabotage it or scuttle it any any way, shape or form? I wonder if the russian army discussed giving russian tankers some explosives to just set inside.  


    Interesting to know if there is a doctrine/procedure for that. I can imagine in the heat of the battle with the tank on fire you abandon it and run away. But anyway, the wartime load of the Leopard 2 was several handgrenades (blast and fragmentation, red, green, yellow smoke and also 2 White Phosphorous. These last two were meant to destroy the tank. The theory was that you took out as much rounds as possible from the hull storage, opened the ammobunker in the turret, took the rounds out when possible, open all hatches and the gun breach.

    One white phosphorous was to be put were barrel and breach contacted and the other was to be thrown in the tank.

    Radios and crypto had to be erased and optics such as main gunnery sight and auxiliary sight and peri of the commander had to be destroyed.

    This all depending on time of course..

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    Post  zorobabel Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:57 pm

    auslander wrote:
    franco wrote:
    par far wrote:
    famschopman wrote:US is close to invading Haiti to take their fuel res... bring democracy. Imagine the civilians getting access to manpads or lancets.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31 - Page 19 1f601
    How much gas reserves does Haiti actually have? I know it is far away but it would be very nice to see Russian weapons in Haiti.

    What gas reserves... Haitians could use such a break. The invasion is because the US installed government is losing control, not that they had much to begin with. The population is poor, desperate and restless.

    1.3746822 cubic meters. Official estimate from Langley.
    The US has so much natural gas it doesn't know what to do with it. More likely just to coup the government and gain tighter control. Where I live, there is so much, they drill wells, cap them, and don't even bother starting them until prices rise above $5.
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    Post  VARGR198 Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:57 pm

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    Post  Erk Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:09 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    The US has so much natural gas it doesn't know what to do with it. More likely just to coup the government and gain tighter control. Where I live, there is so much, they drill wells, cap them, and don't even bother starting them until prices rise above $5.

    No they don't.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gas/us-natural-gas/#gas-reserves

    What's more, the green movement of the Democrats killed investment in the fossil fuel industries, by saying they want to phase them out.
    That's why there is a oil refinery capacity shortage in the us, it takes them 15years to recoup their costs, and they wont be able to sell the business if it's going to be banned.
    So the refinery operators are not prepared to invest.

    Shale fracking is down, because a lot of permits cancelled, so investment dropped, that's where a lot of the gas comes from.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:46 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Analysis of types of equipment NATO sent to Ukraine, done by some Ukrainian guy. Blue circle represents equipment that has been  sent.

    Interesting that the graphic doesn't include Turkey, also a NATO member... Razz

    Garbage numbers BTW.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:39 am

    Just in case its not been posted, an interesting and strange mix in this week's US gift

    US announces new $400M military aid package for Ukraine:

    - 45 T-72B tanks from Czech Republic (US paying to upgrade optics and armor)
    - 1,100 Phoenix Ghost drones
    - 40 Riverine boats
    - Refurbishment of Hawk anti-air missiles
    - 250 M117 armored vehicles

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:43 am

    1100 Phoenix Ghosts and add to already hundreds of Switchblades to Ukrainian arsenal yet we dont really see many footages of these in action.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:43 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    The figures are crap, just look at them.
    Gray circles represent actual inventories. This guy is probably trying to suggest that they can get much more, which is a wishful thinking. Blue circles represent what was sent. 

    Latest US package:
    ❗The new package of US military military assistance to Ukraine in the amount of $400 million contains 250 M1117 armored personnel carriers, 40 armored boats, 1.1 thousand Phoenix Ghost drones, MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems and 45 T-72 tanks bought from the Czech Republic - Pentagon.

     @milinfolive

    I wonder, when guys like this or Zelensky or any number of Ukrainian officials talk about sending more weapons - and the Ukraine's dire lack of weapons at present; they don't actually mean to send manpower and crews along with those weapons as well?

    Because otherwise they can have all the weapons in the world, but who will they man them with at all? I won't even mention manning this equipment with those who are trained sufficiently in their use; as that would be an unthinkable luxury

    Or is it really the case that the system is destroyed but the crew survive w/o serious injury a significant enough portion of the time, that now they have all these vehicle, artillery, aircraft, etc.. crews moseying around with nothing to do until the next batch of NATO-supplied weapons are delivered?
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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:50 am

    limb wrote:The ukrainians repaired and put their captured T-90M in service. It was left most likely by a guards division, and it shows that there was no in/66967

    Is that why they draped camo all over the thing ? We are supposed to believe that its a T-90m under there? lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:52 am

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    🇷🇺🇮🇱🇺🇦Russia warned Israel about the consequences of supplying air defense to Ukraine

    Russia has promised Israel a "tough response" if air defense missiles and any other Israeli-made interceptors reach Ukraine directly or through third countries-Bloomberg

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:55 am

    limb wrote:The ukrainians repaired and put their captured T-90M in service. It was left most likely by a guards division, and it shows that there was no sabotage

    Is there a doctrinal reason that when russians abandon a tank, they don't sabotage it or scuttle it any any way, shape or form? I wonder if the russian army discussed giving russian tankers some explosives to just set inside.  Does it even go through their mind that they should throw a grenade inside(Russian tankers have always been given grenades AFAIK) or light a fire? Even if the ukrainians are in hot pursuit it would only take a few seconds. Also if a tank is isolated, its the fault of commander of the unit by extension for not having proper supply and scuttling means.

    Were the crewmen given this tank too stupid or too cowardly to be tankers? This kind of reminds me of T-90A tanks being given to random syrian NDF militias, rather than elite units like the tiger forces(which only use T-55s) who due to stupidity abandoned one or two.

    This connects to how Lapin's group, using unupgraded T-72Bs and BMP-1s abandoned less vehicles  than the 4th and 1st tank armies around kharkov. yet Lapin was criticized sharply , and O group only now is modern kit en masse.

    A russian commenter mentioned if a guards unit abandons above a certain number of vehicles in working order, they should have their guards title removed. These units cant be riding off of the prestige of their members 80 years ago. Im inclined to agree.

    https://t.me/historywarweaponmain/66967

    There is no reason other than a lack of training and instructions about doing so. It's not hard to disable a tank when you have access to the ammo or fuel compartment. A long cloth soaked in a little diesel at a minimum together with a lighter. Or even better a small timed explosive charge can be supplied to crews who could plant it next to the propellant on their way out

    This is a serious oversight. Thanks to which NATO has all the information about the T-90M and T-80BVM, T-72B3M that it could ever want. And can use their technology in their own designs for reactive armour, ATGMs, etc..
    The only thing worse would be if they got their hands on a T-14 armed with the Afghanit APS.

    And BTW I fully support abandoning vehicles if needed to preserve crew lives or to maintain the schedule of the advancing column. It's just there is not excuse when it comes to handing them over to the enemy intact. Or failing to evacuate them if possible. There were many vehicles during the initial advances towards Kiev, Sumy, Chernigov which were simply left by the side of the road and no BREM vehicle or tank transport ever retrieved them - or at least not before hostile villagers or saboteurs damaged or set fire to them themselves.

    Quite a callous attitude towards military equipment and military-industrial secrecy. Hope it's rectified.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:57 am

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    The man in the video is call sign Kot (Tomcat) - a Donetsk militiaman of the first hour, who fought in Slavyansk, was taken prisoner by the Ukrainian army & ended up disabled after being tortured by them.


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    Post  thegopnik Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎
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    🇷🇺🇮🇱🇺🇦Russia warned Israel about the consequences of supplying air defense to Ukraine

    Russia has promised Israel a "tough response" if air defense missiles and any other Israeli-made interceptors reach Ukraine directly or through third countries-Bloomberg

    I guess that means israel is the country with the 2nd most reliable air defenses if that bothers Russia. But again thats the opinion from bloomberg not quoting any Russian officials so it can be BS.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:38 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    Lancets may not have a large warhead, but you can clearly see the jet from the shaped charge penetrating the FULL LENGTH of the vehicles they hit and emerging from the rear to strike the ground behind. The jet clearly sets the interior on fire as a consequence.  thumbsup

    Don't exect them to do that to a MBT like they can to SPGs and IFVs, but still impressive. Very Happy

    More please.


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    Post  Godric Sat Nov 05, 2022 1:39 am

    JohninMK wrote:AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎
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    🇷🇺🇮🇱🇺🇦Russia warned Israel about the consequences of supplying air defense to Ukraine

    Russia has promised Israel a "tough response" if air defense missiles and any other Israeli-made interceptors reach Ukraine directly or through third countries-Bloomberg

    hopefully meaning they will shoot down Israelis Airforce attacking Syria via Lebanese aerospace

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:Just in case its not been posted, an interesting and strange mix in this week's US gift

    US announces new $400M military aid package for Ukraine:

    - 45 T-72B tanks from Czech Republic (US paying to upgrade optics and armor)
    - 1,100 Phoenix Ghost drones
    - 40 Riverine boats
    - Refurbishment of Hawk anti-air missiles
    - 250 M117 armored vehicles

    Not really game changing stuff must be scrapping the barrel, I am more concerned that this load of crap costs $400m oh wait that's USA deal prices lol.

    40 river boats are going to do what? Get hit my Lancet drones?
    Hawk AD is old and outdated even the Iranians version is better than what USA is sending Ukraine.
    As previously mentioned switchblade drones seem to have done very little and these drones will be no different.
    45 old T-72 tanks won't make a difference and how long will it take to upgrade these?, and with no electricity for railways will take she to get to the front line that's if tank transporters aren't targeted by drones leaving tanks stranded and sitting ducks.
    M1117 is a great way to can up Ukrainian troops ready for drone strikes lol!

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    Post  lancelot Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:10 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Lancets may not have a large warhead, but you can clearly see the jet from the shaped charge penetrating the FULL LENGTH of the vehicles they hit and emerging from the rear to strike the ground behind. The jet clearly sets the interior on fire as a consequence.
    Depending on the model the Lancet has either a 3 kg or a 5 kg warhead. For reference the Metis missile had a 2.5 kg warhead with a HEAT round with 460mm armor penetration. The Kornet missile has a 4.6 kg warhead with a tandem HEAT round with over 1000 mm armor penetration. The larger Lancet should be able to penetrate any tank from any direction.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:04 am

    Hole wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:Be better to have US weapons captured in Ukraine supplied to the Haitians by Russia.
    Do you want the Haitians to loose?  Shocked

    Lulz, no. However, I do think there would be karma in US occupation forces getting slammed by their own equipment. They might start the stupid scam in Ukraine if it happened enough. . . .

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:29 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    There is no reason other than a lack of training and instructions about doing so. It's not hard to disable a tank when you have access to the ammo or fuel compartment. A long cloth soaked in a little diesel at a minimum together with a lighter. Or even better a small timed explosive charge can be supplied to crews who could plant it next to the propellant on their way out
    The first documented T-90M loss fell to a friendly subcaliber shot to the rear. Of course they have procedures for scuttling vehicles. But shit happens, and in the case of the captured T-90M the crew were nowhere near the tank when it did get captured. The tank is valuable yes, but not nearly valuable enough to risk soldier's lives for.

    flamming_python wrote:
    This is a serious oversight. Thanks to which NATO has all the information about the T-90M and T-80BVM, T-72B3M that it could ever want. And can use their technology in their own designs for reactive armour, ATGMs, etc..
    The only thing worse would be if they got their hands on a T-14 armed with the Afghanit APS.
    That ship has long since set sailed. Ukraine shipped the jointly Russo-Ukrainian developed Object 477A prototypes to the US which heavily compromised Soviet/Russian armor for a time.
    The silver lining is that because of this the RuMoD finally let up on the stringent technology controls for its tanks which led to the massively successful T-90S being exported to India, and being forced to develop the Object 195, which finally lead to the T-14.
    The T-90M is not nearly as capable a tank as the Object 477A so its capture is not that big of a loss.

    lancelot wrote:
    Depending on the model the Lancet has either a 3 kg or a 5 kg warhead. For reference the Metis missile had a 2.5 kg warhead with a HEAT round with 460mm armor penetration. The Kornet missile has a 4.6 kg warhead with a tandem HEAT round with over 1000 mm armor penetration. The larger Lancet should be able to penetrate any tank from any direction.
    It has a heavy cumulative warhead capable of busting the strongest frontal turret armor of tanks, but it can also do top-attack. Unironically the deadliest anti-tank weapon on the battlefield right now.

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