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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:26 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Fighterbomber says it was Su-34. Engines malfunctioned during take-off. Crew is alive. Unclear if there were civilian casualties.

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/8995

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    Zapadnaya street is pretty far from the AFB, they should have had enough speed to keep staying airborne on one engine at that point IMO, if it occured after take-off. At least until the city was cleared (it is tricky to fly on one engine when they're so widely spaced, at low speeds when rudder authority ain't the greatest).

    Eyewitness say fire was seen in the air, I guess a catastrophic malfunction.

    Or, worst-case scenario, smuggled MANPADS. It's not awfully far from UA.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:28 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

    Zapadnaya street is pretty far from the AFB, they should have had enough speed to keep staying airborne on one engine at that point IMO, if it occured after take-off.

    Eyewitness say fire was seen in the air, I guess a catastrophic malfunction.

    Or, worst-case scenario, smuggled MANPADS. It's now awfully far from UA.

    Maybe. I hope that civilian casualties are not high. Whole building is engulfed in flame.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:35 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Not much to learn here. The Geran-2 is on the level of the La-17 produced in the 50´s and 60´s. It´s just that the russian leadership (political and/or military) deemded it more useful to invest in drones like the Okhotnik which is decades ahead of anything that Iran can produce.

    G2 is CHEAP.
    That closes the case, it is simply a mindblowing cost-effective.
    I am not sure what in detail makes you C_P wonder about the price factor scratch
    Nobody said it costs $300, what you seem to perform. scratch
    The engine that powers it is Iranian made, and has been so for about a decade.
    It is called MADO550, and is a close clone of Limbach L550.
    Some parts of it are made of plastic, as it is a single-use piece.

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    The retail price of a similar Chinese-made engine with a 40-50KM range is about $1000, but we talk a normal piece rated for regular use for motorboats, trolleys etc.
    My friend owns a trolley powered with this kind of engine, he paid some $1200 for it.
    Iran is much more cost-effective, as the PPP heavily favors them. And we don't talk about the retail prices obviously.

    This thing costs nothing in military grade price tag.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:36 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:It seems like some reservists were sent to Ukraine only 10 days after they were called up and they were not fresh out of the army. Few guys from Krasnoyarsk krai in their late 30, early 40 and a 40 year old lawyer from Piter got killed!?

    Panicking again?

    Are you on the draft list?

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:36 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Russia can certainly learn a lot from them in drone industry.
    Not much to learn here. The Geran-2 is on the level of the La-17 produced in the 50´s and 60´s. It´s just that the russian leadership (political and/or military) deemded it more useful to invest in drones like the Okhotnik which is decades ahead of anything that Iran can produce.

    If that were the case, the help of Iran would not be necessary. In lack of experience, Russia cannot better by Iran at drones. Iran was supplied by the USA, the IDF and Russian material. Free House. Over years. Everywhere in the world you have experience to carry out strikes against all types of air defense and resistance. Iran is far ahead of Russia. Accepting is not that difficult.

    We are better pleased that Iran is playing and brother in our team. A real brother.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:37 pm

    In exchange with Ukrainians 110 Russians are coming home, among them 72 sailors from civilian ships.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2022/10/17/18817717.shtml

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:40 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:In exchange with Ukrainians 110 Russians are coming home, among them 72 sailors from civilian ships.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2022/10/17/18817717.shtml

    This sole thing just proves we face a terrorist state. They have simply kidnapped the civilian crews of ships caught by the war in Ukro harbors.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:42 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Panicking again?

    Are you on the draft list?
    No panic. Just observing. People were sent to front mere 10 days after being mobilized. You're becoming paranoid af.

    https://www.dp.ru/a/2022/10/13/Glava_Agori_pod_Lisicha

    https://vzinfo.ru/21637/

    https://ria.ru/20221013/mobilizatsiya-1823609788.html
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:43 pm

    ALAMO wrote:

    This sole thing just proves we face a terrorist state. They have simply kidnapped the civilian crews of ships caught by the war in Ukro harbors.

    I agree. I hope that Russian government structures got the memo.
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    Post  Backman Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:47 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Russia can certainly learn a lot from them in drone industry.
    Not much to learn here. The Geran-2 is on the level of the La-17 produced in the 50´s and 60´s. It´s just that the russian leadership (political and/or military) deemded it more useful to invest in drones like the Okhotnik which is decades ahead of anything that Iran can produce.

    If that were the case, the help of Iran would not be necessary. In lack of experience, Russia cannot better by Iran at drones. Iran was supplied by the USA, the IDF and Russian material. Free House. Over years. Everywhere in the world you have experience to carry out strikes against all types of air defense and resistance. Iran is far ahead of Russia. Accepting is not that difficult.

    We are better pleased that Iran is playing and brother in our team. A real brother.

    It is a very subjective statement. Iran is ahead in light drones. Russia is clearly ahead in heavy drones.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:49 pm

    Any ideas where exactly the mobilized 300,000 are going to be deployed?
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    Post  Backman Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:51 pm

    Oh no an su 34 crashed. That must mean the su 34 is junk. Even though it is just a variant of the most successful heavy fighter in the world that has proven itself 10 times over already.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:53 pm

    Backman wrote:Oh no an su 34 crashed. That must mean the su 34 is junk. Even though it is just a variant of the most successful heavy fighter in the world that has proven itself 10 times over already.

    Russkie are doomed. That was the last nail in the coffin.

    Oh no!

    Ukro Empire revealed the weapon of final doom!

    A PTB.

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    Pickle Throwing Babushka.

    Russkie will capitulate now for sure.


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    Post  franco Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:03 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Panicking again?

    Are you on the draft list?
    No panic. Just observing. People were sent to front mere 10 days after being mobilized. You're becoming paranoid af.

    https://www.dp.ru/a/2022/10/13/Glava_Agori_pod_Lisicha

    https://vzinfo.ru/21637/

    https://ria.ru/20221013/mobilizatsiya-1823609788.html

    Didn't that military commissar get fired or demoted for screwing up the call-up. Believe he was one of the first cases...

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    Post  limb Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:07 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Panicking again?

    Are you on the draft list?
    No panic. Just observing. People were sent to front mere 10 days after being mobilized. You're becoming paranoid af.

    https://www.dp.ru/a/2022/10/13/Glava_Agori_pod_Lisicha

    https://vzinfo.ru/21637/

    https://ria.ru/20221013/mobilizatsiya-1823609788.html

    I wonder how many more cases of these fuckups there are. Im surprised the entire chain of command just went along with putting guys with 10 days of training on the frontline.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:16 pm

    franco wrote:

    Didn't that military commissar get fired or demoted for screwing up the call-up. Believe he was one of the first cases...

    That was in Khabarovsk. And he was just transferred to Magadan. It looks like military commissar in Belgorod survived and wasn't demoted, as well.
    Unless someone goes to prison nothing serious will change.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:29 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Panicking again?

    Are you on the draft list?
    No panic. Just observing. People were sent to front mere 10 days after being mobilized. You're becoming paranoid af.

    https://www.dp.ru/a/2022/10/13/Glava_Agori_pod_Lisicha

    https://vzinfo.ru/21637/

    https://ria.ru/20221013/mobilizatsiya-1823609788.html

    And who is this chap, regarding the first link?

    Глава правозащитной организации "Агора" Павел Чиков

    I wouldn't take notice without official sources

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    And who is this chap, regarding the first link?

    Глава правозащитной организации "Агора" Павел Чиков

    I wouldn't take notice without official sources

    Which official sources?
    https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/10/13/71733731/
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:44 pm

    Interesting discussion between John Mark Dougan and Russel Bentley



    Most of it is devoted to the reports of the Ukraine using miniature dirty-bombs on the front-line. To go along with other recent reports of DNR soldiers feeling sick after getting shelled, although that was chalked down to some alleged gas.

    Well of course it sounds like the cheapest kind of fake at first, this whole story.
    But the more you listen the more you start to wonder. And that if this is perhaps some kind of message from the Ukraine, could it be connected to the strikes on Belgorod as well? As in shelling Belgorod with dirty warheads next time may be their deterrent, against another Russian offensive?

    From about 52:40 they go into MH-17. Russel Bentley brings up a lot of interesting facts and rationale not widely known, for those interested in the matter.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:46 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    And who is this chap, regarding the first link?

    Глава правозащитной организации "Агора" Павел Чиков

    I wouldn't take notice without official sources

    Which official sources?
    https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/10/13/71733731/

    That's better

    It does say however that he was a veteran of Chechnya 2.0

    So not quite a randomly mobilized lawyer without any knowledge of anything.
    Although that war was certainly a while ago so presumably he just slipped through the cracks; they sent him off thinking him some combat veteran, maybe even from this war, without checking how long ago he was actually in the military.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:51 pm

    Cmo'n...
    The guy is saying that there was a dirty radioactive bomb hanging under Miriya Laughing Laughing
    Seems they have the same dealer with Cocainsky.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    That's better

    It does say however that he was a veteran of Chechnya 2.0

    So not quite a randomly mobilized lawyer without any knowledge of anything.
    Although that war was certainly a while ago so presumably he just slipped through the cracks; they sent him off thinking him some combat veteran, maybe even from this war, without checking how long ago he was actually in the military.

    Someone surely checked his service book. That's the first thing they do when you get to the assigned unit. In any case, sending people to war after a week of training shouldn't happen in the first place.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:09 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    franco wrote:

    Didn't that military commissar get fired or demoted for screwing up the call-up. Believe he was one of the first cases...

    That was in Khabarovsk. And he was just transferred to Magadan. It looks like military commissar in Belgorod survived and wasn't demoted, as well.
    Unless someone goes to prison nothing serious will change.

    I'm sure things will change and rapidly

    Just like at the beginning of the operation when some unit commanders didn't interpret the president's words over no use of conscripts in the special operation zone the right way it seems.

    That was fixed quite quickly

    In this case, frankly drafting some alcoholics or just random people on the street before then sending them back home once they get to the units - is not an offense anyone ought to be jailed over. Even leaving them on some train somewhere. Although reprimands and demotions may be in order.

    However sending someone to the war-zone without adequate training, preparation or equipment certainly should be classed as a crime in my view. And I hope measures are taken over the death of this lawyer, demonstrative measures.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Cmo'n...
    The guy is saying that there was a dirty radioactive bomb hanging under Miriya Laughing Laughing
    Seems they have the same dealer with Cocainsky.

    That guy Russel Bentley was a small time pot farmer or some such in US. Probably, consumed too much of his own stuff.  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29 - Page 21 1f604

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:14 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    That's better

    It does say however that he was a veteran of Chechnya 2.0

    So not quite a randomly mobilized lawyer without any knowledge of anything.
    Although that war was certainly a while ago so presumably he just slipped through the cracks; they sent him off thinking him some combat veteran, maybe even from this war, without checking how long ago he was actually in the military.

    Someone surely checked his service book. That's the first thing they do when you get to the assigned unit. In any case, sending people to war after a week of training shouldn't happen in the first place.

    They will have checked his service record, it's a small passport type thing you bring with you - but not necessarily cared too much.

    If there is a general order such as 'send everyone with combat experience to the special operations zone ASAP', without the order specifying when said combat experience was obtained, or even if it did - some military commissars here or there simply having quotas to fill.

    I guess the inherent assumption of such orders, if they were issued, might have been that combat experience means such from this war, i.e. people who fought just a few months earlier. Indeed many among those mobilized are those who've already fought in this war.

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