Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Keep your head clear bro!!! I never said that Russians are stupid and that I love Nazism...what kind of BULLSHIT are you writing here?

You are proudly claiming to be team doomsayer... team cynic and the rest of us are simple fanboys who don't understand the real world is more complex than we imagine... whether you actually said it or not I am past caring... you picked your team.

And it is a team that says the suffering of Russians in the Ukraine is putins fault.

Doesn't matter your feelings about nazis, you are protecting them.

You are not even a Russian and writing as a armchair general from New Zealand with no slavic roots.

Now you are saying my anglosaxon blood makes me a nazi?

My grandpa fought against Nazism in war and I hate them as depp as I can.

You obviously hate him too if you think the problem here is with the Russian military finishing the job they started.

I love Russia...they are brothers to me..I'm slavic and more connected to Russia than you will ever be! Sorry for being so rude!!!

I wont apologise till you snap out of it... like I said... you need a damn good slap and I am sure your grandpa would be first in line... just for your own good...

The only thing I wrote is that...Russia has manpower problems or the general staff is acting not really good. That's all!

They would have man power problems if they wanted to fight the way you want them to fight.

The way they are currently fighting... which is successful by the way... they do have enough.

Of course they are no perfect and mistakes will be made but give it a few days or a week and those mistakes turn out to be bullshit propaganda... the fact that you don't notice the pattern is odd... I have some respect for paid trolls... everyone has to pay the bills... but people trolling that are not paid are stupid doing it for free.

All my sources are PRO RUSSIAN sources and I'm in dozens of telegram channels!!! So it's otherwise...you are telling me that russian are stupid and they don't know what they are writing.

There is a proverb about five blind men taken to experience an elephant... one touches its trunk and says an elephant is like a snake, another touches its leg and says an elephant is like a tree, a third man touches its tail and says an elephant is like a rope, while the fourth man touches its ear and says it is like a giant leaf. The last man touches its side and says it is enormous like a barn.

They are all telling the truth but are any of them actually right?

No one on the front line knows the whole picture and had it crossed your mind that if they were saying it was a trap to get the Orcs to over extend their lines that the Orcs might be a bit more cautious and not over extend so much?

But no... the Russian military are dumb who are corrupt and inept and only make mistakes... and have been outplayed by the west... despite all evidence so far showing that is not the case.

These sources are partially more connected to soldiers on the frontline than the general staff.

Obviously the guys on the ground keep everything all secret from the general staff... it gives more impact to their moaning on the internet...

Or do they have contacts in western intel who tell them what to say to make the Russians look bad so they don't get banned from social media?

And here you show once again that you have no idea about strategy and tactics!

I never claimed to, but the tactics they seem to be using are better explained by what I am saying, because to fit what you are claiming the entire general staff of the Russian military have to be morons.

Tell that to the relatives of the killed and tortured civilians in the Kharkov region! And please exactly as you write it here!

What I would say to them is that their countrymen are bastards and that the entire west supports their actions and that Russia and Russian soldiers are risking life and limb to help you is something you should be keeping in mind. Those in Washington want you to blame Putin and the Russians for this but the US has spent more these last few years to create this conflict than they have spent to cure cancer or solve issues of poverty in their own country.

With the new referendums Russia now has a mandate to protect those areas as their own and when they get back to your territory if you haven't already gotten a Russian passport you will get the opportunity to join the Russian Federation too and help bring justice and revenge to the nazis in the western dominated parts of your country so horribly perverted and tarnished.

Revenge will happen while they continue to fight and justice will happen to those captured alive.

What a bad comparison! Putin and Co can do as much for the rain as we do, but Putin and Shoigu can do something for the army and its tactics. We saw 50,000 Russian soldiers at Vostok 2022 and at exactly the same time there was the regrouping in Kharkov and hundreds of civilians were being killed, kidnapped and tortured by Nazis. People who believed in Russia!

Are you a moron?

Sending troops... many of which are still in training (doing an exercise does not mean you are combat ready... it is part of the process getting combat ready, but it does not mean you are ready to act against a real enemy yet)... their tactics are still working so there is no value in changing them now by throwing troops onto the fire.

It does not make sense with the current tactics to send more troops... they rely on mobility... we saw gas guzzling T-80s getting left behind... sending in more troops just makes everything worse... more supply columns to attack and shell, more troops on the ground to charge... Artillery is still working.

I don't want to offend anyone here in the forum, but if bad news comes in then everyone here should be man enough to accept it and not insult the courier.

That is the problem... team coward go to pieces every claim of victory by the enemy... and most of the time it turns out to be bullshit but that doesn't seem to stop you with the sour faced bullshit.

Your problem is you go to pieces at any news that is not a victory for Russia or Russians.

Ark sounds like he is on a fucking roller coaster... sometimes Russia is kicking their arses... and next they are the dumbest idiots around and if they don't buck up their ideas they are going to lose this.

.... they are not going to lose this.

I was also very often wrong with my estimates and I stand by it... I thought, for example, that the war would last a maximum of 2 weeks and then the Ukraine would collapse. I was completely wrong there! But it's not a mistake to expect the same from others on the forum instead of being confronted with personal insults and lame excuses.

And it is easy to be wrong when you are not presented with all the facts which is like most of the time... Knowing all the criminal activity involved on the Orc side there is a large portion of that force for which surrender is not an option so two weeks is ridiculous... but then I was wrong too... I didn't think Putin would attack in the first place... as far as I was concerned this is a Ukrainian civil war, but attitudes have changed and many Ukrainians clearly don't want to be Ukrainian any more... Kiev and the west have made it a dirty word for them.

Now that we know the orcs were going to start their attack on the 8th of march then I totally understand Putin attacking first... who knows what sort of damage the Orcs might have tried to pull off without the distraction of running backwards under a Russian attack.

I don't particularly like offending some of you guys... but as I keep saying... sometimes a slap is needed...

If I start claiming all is lost I would expect to be reminded of this... letting a friend be wrong is not being a friend.

And what is absolute NO GO at all are personal insults that come straight away from the usual corner. A personal insult only speaks of hitting something deep and having no arguments about it.

That is the problem though.... some people ignore everything else and continue with their hysteria.

What i don't understand is why the hell they are more scared and introspective about the idea of attacking Iran or North Korea than they are mainland Russia.

Because America won the cold war and they are the only super power left, so the rest of the world should be brainless automatons like Europe and the west are.

Russia should be like Germany and Japan after WWII... but they aren't.

China and Russia and Iran and North Korea are bad because they don't do as they are told. Independent thought cannot be tolerated.

Another point is that western politicians (Europe and USA) think that slavs are subhumans and they can play them like a fiddle.
Clear case of racism! Even if there is "no more racism" in the western caste of politicians Wink And for them, all Slavs are equally stupid, regardless of whether they are...Poles, Russians, Serbs, Czechs, etc. They try to play them off against each other.

Yeah, they divide them up into the critical and the patriotic and divide them that way...

And FP, I agree with everything except:

If this war hadn't happened the situation would still be the same, it would just proceed more peacefully. One way or the other the current world order is at its end and is up for reorganization. That's the reason for the desperation, for the provocations against Russia via the Ukraine prior to the war, those against China via Taiwan, and so on.

This war is very very important... it has made lots of Russians in the west recognise their place as niggers in the west from days gone by... it has forced lots of Russians thinking their future was with the west to realise the west is no friend of any potential rival... it has accelerated the separation of Russia from the west... and the longer it goes on the more permanent this separation will be... I suspect there are plenty in the west keen to restore ties with Russia... mainly the cheap energy and resources, but for their own interests and not for Russia or Russian people.

The longer this conflict takes the better for Russia and the more time they get to eliminate their enemies the better too.

These Orcs are not rushing forward to protect and save... they are as much a danger to civilians as they are to enemy soldiers... which makes them not just expendable... it makes them worthy of extermination.

Not suggesting executions or mishandling prisoners, but if they don't want to surrender there is no need to suggest it to them till more of the nazi element has been dealt with.

The minority knows but the majority is bombarded by (US owned) media. Ukraine is winning. Russia threatens with nuclear weaponry. Putin throws opponents out of windows. Russia blew up NS1 and NS2 themselves (interestingly you see quite a lot of people openly calling these statements insanity). Putin wants a revival of the Soviet Union wanting for the old KGB spy days. Russia was overdue with payments for x, y, z but ignoring sanctions freezing assets. There were no secret labs in Ukraine. I can continue forever.

However, I choose to get my information from a wide variety of sources with people critical on both sides of the fence.

I totally agree, but that is not Russias problem, that is a problem for the west... the west is engineering the separation of the west with Russia and Russia is allowing it and will complete it where it can... I would not be surprised if Russia takes the financial hit of not selling any gas to Europe this winter unless they stop funding and arming Kiev... I suspect they might even withdraw their embassies from most if not all western countries because without trade and with travel bans there really is nothing to actually talk about... I think they might start promoting a neutral place for the UN to meet that the US can't control by denying visa applications.

The point is that while the western public thinks it is all Putins fault and if they could only get rid of Putin... those to bother to read more understand Putin is the most pro western leader they have had except for sold out stooges like Navalny with no chance of every getting any power at all.

Western success in getting rid of Putin would only accelerate the break between Russia and the west and Russian responses will not longer be measured and reciprocal... they would more likely be retaliatory... so you kick out 5 Russian diplomats because you claim they were spying... they will kick out 20 of your diplomats for being a dick about things because the US spies on everyone including its own allies.

If the covid situation taught us something that is that you can very easily and without much opposition influence the behavior and thinking of people. Just tell them that science shows x, research shows y, and they are all quite willing to inject themselves with a vaccine that didn't even pass basic testing.

The republicans did that years ago... companies with official sounding titles were used to create results they could use to their own ends... basically the equivalent of a cigarette company paying a lab to find there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer... do a dozen studies so when real labs show the truth you can muddy the waters with fake reports and fake studies and they can claim it is all science so you can't refute it.

James Bond's, Tomorrow Never Dies with "Elliot Carver" playing the media mogul setting the narrative nowadays appears to be closer to the truth.

I suspect that character was based on Rupert Murdoch... the best stories reflect reality...

The US is an existential global threat for peace, welfare, and prosperity on our planet moving forward. And so far, we have only one planet.

The west will have to change but the US wont disappear... but a lot of things have to change... when the CIA realised they could corrupt an entire society by buying up the news media and killing all the scoops that would fix things and direct the media to be a propaganda branch of the government the west was ruined.

Patriots point out criminal activity at the highest level and end up being scapegoats themselves like Snowden and Assange and Manning and there are plenty of others who gave up careers because they didn't like what they were seeing and going through official channels got them blocked and silenced... watch the Jason Bourne series too...

Beginning to ask if the west supports Ukrainian nazis who butcher their own people and ISIS in Syria who burn women alive in metal cages for not marrying their soldiers... and no one in the west cares or speaks out... is it worth saving... is it too late?

For Evil to win, it just takes good men to do nothing.

When was the last time we saw some good men or women in the west... Assange, Snowden, Manning... they didn't do what they did to destroy the west, to destroy the US... they wanted to make it better and actually live up to the bullshit ethics and morals it spouts every day through every media and medium.

According to him, thanks to a well-developed strategy, the operation is carried out quickly, precisely and efficiently. “Besides, this allows us to nullify losses among the personnel. Our guys approach the performance of a combat mission with the utmost scrupulousness. The high combat training of the Chechen security forces deserves special attention,” the head of Chechnya said.

But the doomsayers say they are doing it wrong...

Ukraine must have existed as a society and polity on 23 February 2022, else Ukrainians would not have collectively resisted Russian invasion the next day.

By that definition Palestine must have existed to resist the creation of Israel, which means Israel is an illegal state created on the destroyed corpse of another country they murdered.

Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

Ironically HATO sending troops into Ukraine would be grounds to use tactical nuclear weapons.

Ukraine is not a threat but HATO is.

They pay up to $ 2 thousand a day, which indicates that "specialists" are recruited for high-risk tasks.

Will they pay up to dead people though?

Big_Gazza wrote:

LMFS wrote:The plot for Western escalation becoming more obvious:

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BREAKING NEWS

Polish Foreign Minister Rau says he does NOT rule out participation of NATO forces in hostilities in Ukraine IF nuclear weapons are used there.

Well I guess that having the bulk of their military forces wiped out by a sudden application of artficial sunlight could be considerd as "hostilities", but I prefer the phrase "compassionate euthanasia".  

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Arkanghelsk wrote:I am believe a nuclear war could be quite like the biological one of 2020, underwhelming

Mankind have a good habit of overestimating and hyping their capabilities

Let the nukes go, and let's see the damage , I have a hunch we will see an underwhelming nuclear exchange with some deaths, but not nearly as grim as nuclear winter scenarios and whole populations dead

COVID 19 really exposed how bio war would not kill populations en masse

COVID 19 disappeared due to herd immunity, not from vaccine but from repeated infection

And nuclear war will be the same, scientists love hyping themselves up

But their projects are pretty underwhelming so far

Anyway I'd love to see what a city killer looks like, probably just hype, as virus , supposed to kill massive population, and got 3 to 4 millions at best

Probably nuclear weapons have a nice blast, but are no asteroids, and as far as "radioactive contamination" lol don't make me laugh

Chernobyl is quite okay, and all those atolls and novaya Zemlya still have no given forth mutant godzillas

More hype for the train

Maybe, but one shouldn't try to test that theory