Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Em...if we observe the situation on the ground...NO!

Who?

I have a friend who works in a factory... he hears rumours but has no idea what goes on in the board rooms and doesn't know what the plan is... most of what he knows about the company is based on guesses and assumptions...

But your friend is Putin I guess...

I'm not the only one critical.

Nothing wrong with being critical, but you go further than that... you don't just say that was bad or that is good... you say... the Russian military are idiots and Putin is a fool.... the enemy is winning...

And your claimed enemy loves you for it... you are creating division amongst a coalition fighting nazis in Europe... should there be any question who is in the wrong... but no... the Russians are just idiots... and they are just like the west if they don't allow you to criticise them... but we are in the west and I am sure Putin and Shoigu and Lavrov are done trying to please us or let us in on what is happening and why.

And for good reason... like it or not the west is the enemy.... Russia didn't do this... the US and UK and Germany and France etc etc did.

ALL Russian military experts shake their heads at many General Staff decisions. After all, their patriotism makes them look ahead.

They don't recommend a decapitation strike on their own side as the solution every time though...

The most important person in life is yourself and the people who are close to you and who you love! No amount of great speeches by Putin or some beautiful oligarch's palace can compensate for a person's personal loss. A dead son, brother, father is dead! No speech, no matter how nice, will bring him back to life.

Very true, but you are blaming Putins speeches and Putins choices for the deaths of Russians... removing Putin will involve a change in tactics that will likely massively ramp up this situation to a war that is going to kill 1,000 times more people on BOTH SIDES.

I don't give a **** about extra nazis and kiev supporters going to their graves... whether they wear a uniform or a fucking nappy (yes... I mean baby and old age pensioner), but a massive escalation will only end up in more of those Russian soldiers getting killed... NOT LESS.

It is the duty of the politicians in the Kremlin to do EVERYTHING to protect the lives of Russian citizens and people who define themselves as Russians and not some 5D master plan.

That is exactly what they are doing.

Sending thousands of soldiers into captivity pointlessly, abandoning territory and having civilians slaughtered by Ukronazis is not one of them.

That is all in your head so far.

Me and the people I love are EVERYTHING and you are NOTHING to me! That is the truth and reality for me.

If you want to be only a slave...go ahead. Your slavish behavior explains your actual mental condition very well.

You claim to care about Russia and Russians... how about you let the big boys do the job and stop aiding your real enemies in Kiev and London and Washington and Brussels by spreading panic.

I don't know if you can't or don't want to understand it? Pointing out a problem doesn't make you a doomer!

Pointing out it is raining and then blaming Putin and Shoigu... and not understanding that during war sometimes it rains... is being a coward.

The worst kind of coward because no one is shooting at you. Being shot and and attacked with artillery I don't think men who run away from that are cowards... because bullets and shells are dangerous and can kill you and it is natural to run away from such stuff... but when you read things on the internet and think the sky is falling and feel the need to share your panic with the rest of the world, you make the world worse.

If you want to get out of such a club how about growing up a bit... report what you hear and discuss... but don't think you know or your sources know better than the men planning this in Russia.

By the way...it was breaking NEWS! What else is a forum for? Just for jerking off on concept art of imaginary aircraft carriers and the PAK-DP?

This forum is about letting westerners know the true character of Russia, where the west can be criticised without getting banned, and Russia and Putin can also be criticised too... you might notice we even have a Putin criticism thread... but during a serious conflict don't think I am going to ignore those who propagate Nazi propaganda... this is their big push and of course they are desperate... it is grinding to a halt at great cost and if they get pushed back now there will be nothing to show their masters in the west.

Ignoring the BS crap from the doom sayers, the reports from Ispan don't reflect the catastrophe you are claiming but time will tell... keep blaming the Russian military that the orcs attacked... perhaps it was Putins fault the Ukraine signed two agreements in Minsk to solve this all peacefully and it has not worked out this way... blame Putin because obviously Kiev and Germany and France did everything they could to get a peaceful outcome...

If it's perfectly normal...no problem! Let more russian soldiers be surrounded by Ukraine? It's a cool plan according to you!

I know what a trap looks like. And a trap by Russian Army let Ukronazis slip in would be very nice. But a trap would never endanger the own troops so massive.

A trap with no bait is not a trap... it is just a convenience... the Kursk bulge was an act of nature... till it was recognised by the Germans as a place to attack, and also recognised by the Soviets as a place to defend and absorb that attack and then mount a massive counter attack to deal a serious blow to the Germans.

Thank you for the personal insult!

Not an insult... anyone can act like an idiot and being told you are being one is the best way to respond to someone being an idiot.

The other action I could do to a hysterical person is to restrain them till they recover... like going through the list of doomsayers and giving them all a weeks break so when they come back we might have more facts and less emotion... tell me... would you prefer that?

So I can call you an idiot too?

You can if you want... if you can do it in a nice or clever way I might even not ban you for insulting Admin...

And for COPIUM IDIOTS like you every loss is a great victory.

This loss killed thousands of nazis... and only you are calling it a loss because those nazis did not kill a lot of Russian soldiers in their advance.

You would smile if a Ukronazi would cut off your balls and say...hey that's Putins 5D chess masterplan. Hahaha X-D

Don't need them much at my age, but I would be happy to play the long game... and as a civilian if the Russians arrived and then left I would go too.

The critical man is the smart one!

No, the critical man is the shit stirrer... Peirce Morgan is not smart... he finds fault to attack and criticise... a critical man is like an opposition MP.... they can criticise anything... even something the government is doing right they can criticise for not doing it fast enough or within budget, or the advert should have used more green or red paint.

Criticising but never having to do anything yourself creates an angry bitter twisted little twerp who thinks they know better than anyone... suggesting you know better than anyone in the Russian military because you read Twitter and Telegram... half of which are likely western bots... well there are those that do and those that criticise.

Another factor is the purpose of the criticism... you claim you want to save the lives of Russian soldiers, yet your solution is a more hardline approach that would send rather more Russian soldiers into harms way and kill rather more people.

Only idiots never see failures at all and at least their own failures and proceed with the same shit again and again and again...

The Russian military has changed tactics during this conflict to suit the results they were getting on the battlefield... most of their decisions appear to be made to minimise the death toll of Russian soldiers and civilians... the former is common sense the latter is international law.

By the way...Uncle Sham won big in this war...beside Vann7, RTN and Co we are ALL pro russians and love this great country.

Because cowardly doom sayers made is so. All you had to say was... ooh... that is a bit of a worry... hope the Russian military and putin know what they are doing and left it at that there would be no division, but you had to switch sides and cheer for Kievs victory and claim the only solution to such a humiliation is to fire Putin and Shoigu... maybe they need some American advisors and support like Kiev has?

The fact that you don't understand your cowardice is helping your enemy at their most desperate time is just a bit sad... they put together large forces... they were hoping for rather more than they got... I suspect they wanted to cross the river all down its length and push Russian forces back much further but it hasn't happened and the longer it hasn't happened the longer they are losing troops and material and waiting for a counter attack.

But I only see hate, insults and distrust within the forum! If we are so divided without being directly affected by the war, how divided is the Russian world? It is nicer for you to harm a brother in spirit and direct your hatred at him than at the real opponent.

I tried giving you a slap, but you are too far gone.... you seem to like spreading orc propaganda and think your cowardice means anything other than annoying actual patriots and people who do more than just think critically. Just thinking critically is to believe the worst in everything... that is a sad and destructive way of thinking because Putin and Shoigu are shit, but they are the best you have so any replacements will be even worse so why not just skip the endless replacements of those in charge till Navalny is the only one left and just surrender to the nazis like a good little unpaid US troll.

Ukrainian soldiers post footage of the raising of the flag over the Village Council in Novoselovka. Thus, from the north, between Liman and the advanced units of the enemy, there remains only one village of Drobyshevo and only a few kilometers of land. The city is in an extremely dangerous situation.

For all we know that village was undefended... so they rolled in and took a photo... so what...

For people claiming to be critical thinkers you don't actually seem to be critical of very much the west wants you to say.

The problem with you and other doomers is not that you're too critical.
It's that you are faced with a deficit of information and decide to simply assume that which you don't know, trust unreliable sources, and presume competencies of yourself that you do not possess.

I would say more a bias in their criticism... Ukraine losing thousands of troops a day and Russian losses minimal is still a defeat if Russian troops don't remain in place in the face of overwhelming enemy numbers... ignoring common sense of course, because if those Russian forces stood and fought the Ukrainian loses would actually be less and Russian losses much higher because a static target is an easier target and once they kill more Russian soldiers there will be far fewer Russian soldiers to kill them.

Russian military and political leadership are idiots, but no mention of the evil they are fighting... it seems they are above criticism... almost appears like they are supporting Kiev, yet they claim to be pro Russia.

But they don't understand our confusion and continue to support western propaganda... every little propaganda win Kiev gets they pop up with and display as a Russian defeat till it turns out all those destroyed vehicles are Ukrainian, or the dates are faked and it was from 2015 or a different war... but the next propaganda attempt is always true till proven false because the west never lies and the Russians never do anything else but lie... and I am from the west and even I know which side can't be trusted.

Being critical is fine.
After the fact.
When the true picture emerges and it's possible to judge as to what went wrong, what X or Y achieved, how many men were lost on this side and the other side, what sort of other repercussions or knock-on effects there were, etc..

Being selectively critical and making judgements in real time is what European based international courts do... launch a cruise missile attack on Syria because Assad is using chemical weapons... yeah right... that is you being critical, doom sayers.

My recommendation is for you and other doomers to stop panicking, bickering and arguing in real-time on every random tid-bit of information that comes out. Or going to Telegram to grab up the latest updates and then put your own spin on top of it like Arkhangelsk does. We've had 2 week's worth of prophecies about the fall of Krasny Liman already so far. And what? What was the point of all this commotion?
It's emotional defeatist porn and I'm tired of it. If you have an indictment against the Russian military leadership over this or that operation to make then by all means - but support it with facts, reasoned arguments, timelines and so on.

Very much agree... by all means post information you find, but instead of being critical of the Russian military and Russian political leadership ONLY... how about a bit of critical thinking as to why this is being posted and by whom. What would they know in their position. What would they gain by posting it online... do they think that is a backup line to the military and that they can solve problems and bypass red tape by bitching on the internet...

You guys claim to support the Russian troops but your whining and complaining is probably really upsetting the families of the men actually fighting in this war... not that I think they would read this forum of course, but you are assisting people whose motives for this bullshit are not exactly transparent and clear.

But look at me being critical... that is a sign of genius according to you guys.

There is no plan in terms of Liman IF that was a setup Russia would have launched the trap by now.

Russia had no way of guessing where the Orcs would concentrate their attacks... they could probably guess, but not 100% accurate guesses... they will just watch the situation and take advantage where they can with what they have.

Trying to say "you don't know the plan, they know more than us don't question them" is fanboy boot licking at its finest. You can insult, pull the "well did you apply for position in Kremlin" shit all you want it just makes you look ignorant is all and I laugh at it.

If you were ever in the military you would know they create plans all the time and change them as things change on the battlefield all the time... suggesting there is no plan is fanboy crap at its finest.

Now that clusteruck doesn't mean Russia lost the war, nor is anyone SAYING that.

Worried about the sort of orgies you attend... Russian forces withdrew in a few places and made the enemy pay for that territory in blood... they have mobile forces and options... it is the west that wants this over and done with so they think they can buy Russian gas again and the price will go down. Putin has said many times... this will continue until it is done.

What we have here is a case of the fanboys who cannot stand others calling out incompetent decisions and using the idiotic excuse "it's a plan duuuuur"

How do you define incompetent in this case. The forces they had on the ground were in no condition to stand and fight off a ground force 10 times larger... withdrawal was the most sensible option to maximise enemy losses and to minimise friendly losses.

The reality is Russia could have avoided this entire situation if it merely moved in the spare troop it already has, that's the problem and THATS what's being called out this is a completely preventable situation well it was.

Or they could nuke Washington...

Perhaps the only way to make the US stop escalating is to actually escalate instead of just responding and reciprocating.

The US sends money and weapons to Kiev, Russia sends nukes to Iran and North Korea.

Russia starts massive bio weapons centres inside Russian territory where the west can't touch or inspect them.

Russian education system become hardcore anti west.

All energy exports to countries that support Kiev stop from Russia including Uranium fuel for NPPs.

The question is not the competence of forum members versus the Russian military and political leadership, it is the competence of US/UK military and political strategists vis a vis the Russians. So far the answer to which group is more competent is rather clear.

Russian forces are fighting inside former Ukraine territory and Kiev is on its 8th or 9th call up to replace the enormous numbers of troops it has lost so far, so I think I know who is doing the better job and who is just using spoiler tactics and propaganda to make it look like they are doing rather better than they actually are.

Seems like quite a short-term strategy, as if the Western powers are betting on Russia being close to collapse and so burning off all their assets out at the rate of jet fuel might pay off by making that happen.

Seems to me that the west knows better than any of us that Ukrainians are just a type of Russian so the more "Russians" that die in their books is better... no matter which side they fight on.

Either way, the orcs are getting ground up on the battlefield while the Russian team in the caravans decide where to back over again, while us dogs bark and bark with our tails wagging or hanging between our legs...

Dunno bro you sound like a slave to your passions and have a bleak, misanthropic point of view. Like many in our generation. This is why you see so many fleeing from being called to service. They dont care about anyone but themselves and loved ones. Though if you actually dug deeper you would find thry dont truly love their loved ones. They are emotionally attached to their loved ones. Loving loved ones means doing things that might hurt ones self or even family for what is right and good. This is called sacrifice, which is bravery and the cardinal virtue. It is also love.

The cowards and the children run away while the men sort it out... same thing is happening in Ukraine... but then the women are going to get called up... what sort of man runs away leaving the women to fight for them?

Lots of people like that... walk past a mess hoping someone else will deal with it...

Russian draft dodgers , who do not turn up to register or leave the country , must face punishment . They should loose social benefits of pay heavy fines on return .

I am old enough to know war is terrifying.... I am also old enough to know I am not going to live forever... I have never been drafted, but if I was to actually save my country I would not run away. Death is coming for everyone... it is irrational to fear it... to be honest I would be more afraid of being blinded or losing an excessive number of limbs... but I have a cousin that has a business making prosthetic limbs so I should be OK.

That ammount will last 3 to 4 days max.

It concentrates them into small groups that makes them more mobile but also easier to kill with one missile.

I still have a contract for the next 3 years against € 0,90 per m3 of gas but if I now have to sign a new one, I believe the latest price is € 3,94 per m3. Now that Uncle Sam blew up both pipelines' prices will skyrocket. Luckily my house is well isolated, and my yearly use is only approx. 750m3 and will manage even without but for sure this will hit European industries and they will have to incorporate higher cost of goods impacting competitiveness on the market.

When I was a kid heating the whole house was not an option and we normally just heated the living room and the kitchen... these days we heat the whole house but if our energy costs were going up internal doors would be shut and only smaller more limited parts of the house would be kept warm in winter.

And what % is LNG capacity against pipelines?

More importantly winter happens in the US at the same time it happens in the EU so their available gas to export will drop in volume as European demand increases... so which side of the atlantic is prepared to pay more... and domestic US customers don't have to pay for shipping so even if they pay the same price it is less costs for the company that delivers.

I think Russia will find a way to destroy that Baltic pipeline and watch Europe descend into darkness and coldness for the next couple years.

They don't need to... and it is more fun to see Norway make huge profits at Europes expense and how the EU are getting jealous over that...

That's worth 10-20 million at best, depending on what type of radar they send.

Certainly not 1.1 billion.

You are forgetting lubrication costs... lots of gears need to be greased to make this stuff happen...

Should really be asking how they kept it so cheap... and why doesn't the US military get them at that price...

Unlike you, he is one of the best posters on this forum.

You would be perfect Odin if you were not so modest...

This information is consistently deleted in Germany and elsewhere in the west. Even on more alternative websites.

Not this one...

Sure it was easy money, but that's also the reason there was never an attempt to truly diversify away from selling Gas to Europe

It was stable money in a stable region that might have earned them some respect and gratitude for stable and cheap energy, but they forgot it is Europe.

Pipes were there from the Cold War period and they just kept supplying till we are where we are now.

Russia is not going to any effort to force Europe to take cheap energy... now they are trying to blame Russia for blowing the pipes up... no explaination as to why they did it where they did it let alone how they managed that, but if they want to ignore the truth then Russia should just stop all gas supplies and build their own storage sites and drop the domestic price of gas to so cheap people use it for lighting as well as heating...

With Nord Stream dead in water, literally and figuratively

One NSII pipe is intact AFAIK, but Germany would have to certify it for use first.

Russia will have to redirect the gas flows , and also truly diversify away from raw materials sales

There are companies in Germany that will now go bust because they needed cheap gas to be cost effective... encouraging companies from around the world to build factories in Russia to use cheap gas and produce products the Germans used to make is a good business proposition because the German competition will be gone...

Or moved to America...

{quote]Now the sale of LNG will be of utmost importance[/quote]

During the 1970s and 80s there was a petrol shortage in NZ and a lot of people converted their cars to LPG... most motors will run on LNG or other gas fuels... all they needed was an LPG fuel tank fitted in the boot of the car and a switch to go from petrol or LNG fuel... there were not a huge number of other changes needed and the car could run on either fuel...

I would think Russians should think about using it instead of petrol in their cars and vehicles... even just as a backup...

But guess what.. the blue water navy is 20 years away from actually coming to being

The wont need a carrier group per tanker or cargo ship... most of the time just operating in groups will be enough... perhaps with a unit or two of armed naval infantry to make seizing the ship problematic.

I doubt they factored this happening when they laid those pipelines

They likely assumed they were dealing with rational people.

The rest of the world knows they are not.

Probably they really thought they'd sell this gas and Yankees would allow Putin to build up the coffers and lay a blue water navy gently and delicately in 30 years

The funny thing is that they didn't let him... but he did it anyway...

The decision of the residents of Donbass, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to seek protection from Russia was a natural result of the inhumane policy pursued by the Kiev regime.

Important to add that without Germany and France enabling and supporting Kievs genocide attempts things could have been very different... it is not just the Orcs that are the bad guys... the west helped these nazis too.

And everyone can be home by the new year.

No rush.

Um, Russia's stockpiles are being eaten up too though.

Artillery shells and rockets that were produced in eye watering volumes and could probably be replaced just as quickly.

Their ATGMs and SAMs are generally relatively cheap command guided or beam riding weapons that are also cheap to produce in large numbers.

They had millions of surplus AKs... and they always make lots of ammo...

But when we see M-60/M1/Leo-2 burning then yeah we can claim NATO stocks are being used up, so far nothing catastrophic for NATO, not yet that is

The fact that Ukraine started the conflict with plenty of armour and now is out of stock suggests they aren't using them properly or they aren't looking after them... so any new vehicles you give them will not last very long either.

LNG is an option but given the situation, there will be provocations on LNG and Oil tankers

They can attach a dozen naval infantry to each tanker to make sure they are OK... a half dozen Verba missiles... a dozen Kornets... some PKMs and Kords and a few light disposable RPGs and they should be just fine...

What is the best solution to bypassing Ukraine for oil sales, and developing trade with other states not including the EU?

It seems a lot was bet on Europe

I kept telling everyone to expand their navy...

When people in Germany start dying in winter because the gas ran out, you are going to look like a real jerk.

If Germans wait till people start dying of the cold before they let their own government know they are not happy with their choices then who is actually to blame?

America blew up the pipes... south stream still operates AFAIK. Kiev has closed of some of their pipes... but some guy commenting on the internet is personally responsible for dead Germans?

When I was at University and money was tight I just spent time in the nice warm library...