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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:24 pm

    limb wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The Russian offensive is commencing shortly

    The Kremlin throwing party - for the new regions

    Then theyl rotate forces in there and restart offensive operations

    In which direction can't be sure

    Rumors suggest 2 groupings have been formed

    1 in Belgorod and 1 in Rostov

    That would be 3rd AK from weeks ago and some new groupings by Belgorod which could be 20TH CAA

    There is also reports of Russian army in Belarus hanging near Lutsk and Lvov

    We will see what this brings

    They said the same when those Mi26s landed near kupyansk, that there was going to be an imminent 5D chess counterattack to close the trap. Instead we got a "tactical regrouping".

    Yes but now we have had mobilization called for and referendums completed and recognized by Russia as their territory in Zaporozhye and Kherson. The situation has changed, Russia has to make big moves soon to counter the Ukrainians...no more pussyfooting.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:26 pm

    limb wrote:

    They said the same when those Mi26s landed near kupyansk, that there was going to be an imminent 5D chess counterattack to close the trap. Instead we got a "tactical regrouping".

    3rd army never deployed,  neither did belgorodsky grouping

    They're on the border

    https://t.me/asbmil/5810

    Massive amounts of equipment and forces that never got sent into Ukraine

    Which makes me suspect they are indeed waiting for order for offensive

    In fact BARS and SOBR never got reinforced, they just delayed VSU

    The party is kicking off shortly

    On top of all that what Putin is doing is a formality to change the SMO into a war

    Once the reserves replace 3rd AK and 20th , 8th and other armies , theyl go for encirclement


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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:33 pm

    09/30/2022 02:53 PM (updated: 09/30/2022 03:22 PM)
    RIA Novosti

    Ceremony of signing treaties on the entry of new territories into Russia

    live broadcast.. https://ria.ru/20220930/tseremoniya-1820506640.html

    The Kremlin is hosting a ceremony of signing treaties on the entry of new territories into Russia.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:34 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    Azi wrote:
    LMFS wrote:The press of Ukraine writes that at a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council, Zelensky may announce his withdrawal from the Budapest Memorandum with the rejection of non-nuclear status

    https://en.topwar.ru/202595-ukrainskaja-pressa-pishet-o-tom-chto-na-zasedanii-snbo-zelenskij-mozhet-objavit-o-vyhode-strany-iz-budapeshtskogo-memoranduma-s-otkazom-ot-bezjadernogo-statusa.html

    Anglo maniacs do not accept anything else than surrender, they may learn that Russia does not accept anything different than sovereignty. The meaning of those talks about "striking decision centers" becomes clear now.
    USA ist not sending Abrams tanks or F-16....why on earth they should send tactical nukes making them the main target for a retaliation strike?

    Ukraine is decades away from a nuclear bomb. They have reactors but exactly zero infrastructure for processing of uranium/plutonium isotopes.

    Of course Zelenski will say something like this...but it will be only hot air of a clown!

    US is readying the transport of 200 M1A1 tanks (just hasn't been made official yet) and those F16s will eventually show up as well.

    European weapon storage sites are mostly empty and any further military aid will gravely inhibit their own armies' combat readiness. From now on it will be on the US to keep Ukraine both financially ND militarily afloat.

    Not true. As I previously stated European armies still have loads left to send without impacting on its regular troops equipment. France still has loads of AMX-30 AMX-10p, along with various other armour and towed artillery. UK hasn't sent or exhausted it's 432, challenger 1, scimitar and sabre, abbots, L121/FH70 towed 155mm, light guns etc. Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany still have equipment that they could send sitting in storage, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, all have a lot they could send some of which is very similar to Soviet equipment yet nothing has been sent or exhausted.

    As for F-16 that would take months worth of conversion training not just to fly it but to be combat trained. And I doubt any western mercs who have experience in F-16 (ex air force pilots etc) will want to give up their high paid civil aviation jobs risk their life to go fight in Ukraine and face Russian aircraft and air defence systems for the sake of zelenskys pipe dream

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:39 pm

    ...holy f*ck, this speech is still which sounds like a declaration of World War III.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:54 pm

    Scorpius wrote:...holy f*ck, this speech is still which sounds like a declaration of World War III.

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:12 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Yes but now we have had mobilization called for and referendums completed and recognized by Russia as their territory in Zaporozhye and Kherson. The situation has changed, Russia has to make big moves soon to counter the Ukrainians...no more pussyfooting.
    Nothing stopped them from sending reinforcements till now. Battle for Lyman and surroundings has been going on for three weeks now.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:20 pm

    TASS


    ** Russia is a great millennial power, a country-civilization, and will not live by such rigged, false rules,” the Russian President emphasized, noting that the rules that Western countries are talking about are “complete deception, double or already triple standards
    , Putin.”

    ** "For them, our thought and philosophy are a direct threat, and therefore they encroach on our philosophers. Our culture is a danger to them, therefore they are trying to ban it. Our development and prosperity are also a threat to them," he said.

    ** "Western elites deny not only national sovereignty and international law, their hegemony has a pronounced character of totalitarianism, despotism and apartheid. They arrogantly divide the world into their vassals, into the so-called civilized countries and all the rest, who, according to the plan of today's Western racists, should replenish a list of barbarians and savages. The false labels "country of outcasts", "authoritarian regime" are ready," Putin said. "And this is nothing new. The Western elites are what they were, and have remained so - colonialists. They discriminate, divide peoples into the first and other grades. We have never accepted and will never accept such political nationalism and racism," the Russian leader stressed.

    ** “What, if not racism, is Russophobia, which is now spreading around the world? What, if not racism, is the peremptory conviction of the West that its civilization, neoliberal culture is an indisputable model for the whole world, “whoever is not with us is against us” - even all this sounds strange, ”Putin said on Friday .





    ** Putin ended the "George speech" with the words "The truth is behind us, Russia is behind us!"




    ** Putin said that Russia will defend its land with all available forces and means

    "We will defend our land with all the forces and means at our disposal and will do everything to ensure the safe life of our people. This is the great liberation mission of our people," Putin stressed.


    People cannot be fed with printed dollars and euros, they cannot be fed with these pieces of paper,” Putin said. - All this is important, what I'm talking about, but no less important is what has just been said - you can’t feed anyone with papers, you need food, Putin ”



    *** "In 1991, in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, without asking the will of ordinary citizens, representatives of the then party elites decided on the collapse of the USSR, and people suddenly found themselves cut off from their homeland. This tore apart, dismembered our people's community, turned into a national catastrophe. Like when After the revolution, behind the scenes, the borders of the union republics were cut behind the scenes, and the last leaders of the Soviet Union, contrary to the direct expression of the will of the majority of people in the 1991 referendum, destroyed our great country, simply put the people before the fact, "he said.


    **
    “It was precisely with their destructive policies, wars, robberies that they provoked today's colossal surge in migration flows. Millions of people suffer hardships, bullying, and thousands die trying to get to the same Europe,” he said.



    ** "Yes, in 1991 the West expected that Russia would not recover from such shocks and would fall apart on its own," he said. "It almost happened," Putin continued. "We remember the 90s, the terrible 90s, hungry, cold and hopeless. But Russia stood firm, revived, strengthened, and again took its rightful place in the world."



    ** The West wants to break Russia and other countries, and if it doesn't work out, it can bring it to collapse or use the formula "war will write everything off" - Putin.



    ** "We will not discuss the choice of the peoples in Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson, it has been made. Russia will not betray him,"


    ** "This is the real people's leader of Donetsk Alexander Zakharchenko, these are military commanders Arsen Pavlov and Vladimir Zhoga, Olga Kochura and Alexei Mozgovoy, the prosecutor of the Lugansk People's Republic Sergey Gorenko, this is paratrooper Nurmagomed Gadzhimugamedov and all our soldiers and officers who died the death of the brave during a special military operation They are the heroes of great Russia," Putin said.



    ** “We will definitely rebuild the destroyed cities and towns, housing, schools, hospitals, theaters and museums. We will restore and develop industrial enterprises, factories, infrastructure, social, pension, healthcare and education systems,” the head of state emphasized. “Of course, we will work on By raising the level of security, together we will make sure that citizens in the new regions feel the support of the entire people of Russia, the entire country, all the republics, all the territories and regions of our vast Motherland."

    "Today's KIEv authorities should treat this free will of the people with respect and nothing else. This is the only way to peace," the Russian leader emphasized.




    ** “Do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, instead of “mom” and “dad”, there was “parent number 1, number 2, number 3”? Are you completely crazy already? Do we really want perversions that lead to degradation and extinction to be imposed in our schools from the primary grades? - he said, speaking at the ceremony of admitting four new territories to Russia



    ** Putin said that the West "threw off the mask" in Ukraine, showing its true insides
    According to the President of Russia, compatriots "saw with their own eyes what the ruling circles of the so-called West are preparing for all mankind"
    The ruling circles of the West "dropped their masks" in Ukraine and showed their true insides. This was stated on Friday by Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the ceremony of accepting four new territories into Russia.
    "Our compatriots, our brothers and sisters in Ukraine - the native part of our united people - saw with their own eyes what the ruling circles of the so-called West are preparing for all of humanity. Here they essentially just threw off their masks, showed their true insides," the president said.
    “I want to appeal to the soldiers and officers who are participating in a special military operation, to the soldiers of Donbass and Novorossia, to those who, after the decree on partial mobilization, join the ranks of the armed forces, fulfilling their patriotic duty, who, at the call of their hearts, come to the military registration and enlistment offices, "I would like to address their parents, wives, and children, and tell them what our people are fighting for, what enemy is opposing us, who is throwing the world into new wars and crises, extracting their bloody profit from this tragedy."



    ** "They are targeting everyone, including our closest neighbors - the CIS countries. At the same time, the West has clearly been giving them wishful thinking for a long time. So, starting a sanctions blitzkrieg against Russia, they believed that they would be able to to build the whole world, but, as it turned out, such a rosy prospect does not excite everyone, except perhaps complete political masochists and admirers of other non-traditional forms of international relations,"
    Putin said.


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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:25 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Not true.

    Well, not so sure about that bro.
    NATO carried out several organized actions of melting - physically - outdated equipment en mass.
    They made some "enviromental&economic" fiesta out of it, citing how much they have "earned" by disposing a single tank or APC or whatever.
    Maybe we should check that with some care because as far as I know, all the reserve stock of M48 and M60, some old AMX, old APCs, trucks etc is gone.
    Some of the stocks that are not gone, are in a miserable condition and cant be used.
    The very first example I had in mind was a vast stock of Strela MANPADS we had here.
    It turned out that having missiles stored in reasonable conditions means perfectly nothing, as there is not a single battery for them left.
    Establishing a battery production is possible, but would require time.
    There is some news from yesterday, that the logistic supply for spare parts for repairing the pieces delivered to Ukro is non existing.
    Nobody was even calculating the scale of usage, the intensity, and the potentially needed spares.
    Some are not even produced, as those were not considered as replacement parts!

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:27 pm

    zorobabel wrote:If Russia can do an aerial assault on Hostomel, it can relieve the defenders of Krasny Liman. I believe the next two days will be decisive.

    Pretty much this

    I'd like to provide an excerpt from a book which details the consolidation of Bolshevik power in the revolutionary years, specifically concerning the Soviet-Polish war:

    Pilsudski launched his offensive with a proclamation saying that Polish troops
    came as liberators and would remain in Ukraine only until its people were able
    to defend themselves from Russia. Petliura, in a proclamation of his own, warmly
    thanked Poland for its fraternal assistance and called for the support of all
    Ukrainians in the task of national reconstruction.' Initially Pilsudski achieved
    striking success. His cavalry advanced eighty kilometres in two days, seizing
    the important centres of Berdichev and Zhitomir. Soon afterwards they severed
    communications between the Soviet Twelfth and Fourteenth Armies. It was an
    unequal struggle and the shattered Soviet divisions poured back towards the
    Dnieper. There they had to meet another Polish force advancing from Belorussia
    to meet Pilsudski's main forces in Ukraine. The junction of Polish forces at the
    confluence of the Pripet and Dnieper rivers established a continuous front from
    Lithuania to the Romanian frontier. They then advanced to Kiev, which fell on
    7 May.

    This apparent disaster did not alarm the Soviet high command. Although
    momentarily unable to repel the Polish offensive, they had longer-term plans
    well in hand. In particular they kept close tabs on the First Horse Army as it
    rode west across southern Ukraine to its assembly point on the right bank of the
    Dnieper south east of Kiev. "The present advance of the Polish front to the east,
    to Kiev, is advantageous for us," wrote S.S. Kamenev, the Soviet supreme
    commander, "because inevitably it will lead to the extension of the Polish right
    flank which will be left hanging in air." The Soviet government reflected the
    confidence of their generals. Men who had lived through the great military
    emergencies of 1918 and 1919 did not find that of 1920 especially daunting.
    Lenin said he had no "doubt that this new attempt by the Entente imperialists
    to strangle Soviet Russia [would] fall through just as the Denikin and the Kolchak
    ventures [had]." This highlighted the Soviet belief that Pilsudski had been unleashed
    by the Entente, or at least by France. Poland was dismissed disparagingly.
    "On the part of Poland itself," Trotsky wrote, "the war bears a plainly Bonapartist
    character, even if this is only third-rate Bonapartism, caricatural, low-powered,
    literary, combining romanticism with petty knavery: ... in a word ... Pilsudski. "

    Which subsequently turned into a calamity for Pilsudski:

    While the Soviet international situation remained unclear, their military position
    improved steadily. By mid-May the Poles had achieved their maximum
    success, slowly expanding their hold on the left bank of the Dnieper in the
    direction of Cherkassy. Some optimists even spoke of the impending fall of
    Odessa. The results, in fact, proved to be ephemeral. By the second week in
    May Soviet reinforcement had reached a level sufficient to unleash a counterattack.
    The bulk of the Polish army was concentrated in Ukraine, so when the
    Red Army passed to the offensive in Belorussia Pilsudski could not stem the
    advance. The Poles were taken by surprise and forced to retreat fifty to eighty
    kilometres in less than two weeks. The Soviet aim was to advance on Vilna,
    thus separating the Polish and Latvian armies while opening direct communication
    with Lithuania. By the end of May this objective was nearly achieved.

    The primary Soviet counter-attack was being prepared in Ukraine. Throughout
    the final weeks of May reinforcements, the First Horse Army in the van, arrived
    in the vicinity of Kremenchug and Ekaterinoslav ready to attack the exposed left
    flank of the Polish army. Originally the Soviet plan called for a vast encirclement
    of Pilsudski's forces south of Kiev, with Budenny advancing in his first leap as
    far west as Berdichev. An undertaking of this type, however, required that
    virtually all reinforcements be concentrated on the southwestern front. With the
    western front engaged in its own offensive and the Crimean front coming to life,
    the Soviet high command could not focus single-mindedly on Ukraine. By early
    June the scope of the counter-attack had to be reduced. Although the destruction
    of the Polish army at Kiev remained the Soviet aim, the initial objective was
    redefined as the region around Fastov rather than the more spectacular leap
    originally planned. On the morning of 5 June Budenny led his army into the
    gap between the two Polish forces operating against Cherkassy and Odessa.

    Do get a clue, you chicken littles, on how operations and plans are actually executed and over what time frames


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:30 pm

    Well if Putin finally lets the army treat this like a war and orders a full scale war properly then the **** up with Liman served a point, it got their asses into gear and out of the sand.

    Now IF russia does properly deploy its forces and mobilize more men the question becomes.

    How much of Ukraine will it take? I wager Odessa, Sumy and Khakrov, possibly Poltava but that's a maybe IMO.

    Porlbem is if they try to seize everything up to the Dnipro river that means you HAVE to take Keiv and if you take kiev well now you need to size more areas to create a buffer space around it

    but this is all "IF" war must be declared first and I must see the required number of troops deployed
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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:34 pm

    Don't forget Dnipropetrovsk and Nikolaev.
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Do get a clue, you chicken littles, on how operations and plans are actually executed and over what time frames
    Pay little attention to historical context. Newfound Red Army and Soviet State was fighting multiple enemies on multiple fronts ( in Ukraine, Poland, Siberia, south of Russia), with completely unstable country largely destroyed by civil war and with huge casualties from WW1 and under international blockade. 
    Back to present time, Russia dwarfs Ukraine militarily and economically, plus war is being fought on Ukrainian territory. 
    Things like Lyman, shouldn't be happening in the first place. 
    It is only natural to question strategy and thinking of Russian political and military top, without getting victory in war in question. 
    In a figurative battle of David and Goliath, Ukraine is David here and not Russia.
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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:51 pm

    Scorpius wrote:...holy f*ck, this speech is still which sounds like a declaration of World War III.

    Don't be a 6th columnist. Putin laid out the truth about the essence of the NATzO west. He even explicitly stated
    that their problems are their own and Russia has no interest in fixing them. The problem is that the NATzO parasites
    will not go down without trying to take the world and Russia with them. So f*ck off with your twisting of his words.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:56 pm

    Rest in Hell Ukroshitstan !
    Inevitably it will start soon, it's about to ring...







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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:58 pm

    Full list

    ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 30, 2022)
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

    💥 High-precision attack launched by Russian Aerospace Forces has resulted in the destruction of the workshops for assembling Ukrainian Grom-2 and Tochka-U operational-tactical missiles at Southern Machine-Building Plant near Dnepropetrovsk.

    💥 Missile attacks launched at the provisional bases of the units from 81st Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and a missile and artillery armament depot of 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU have resulted in the elimination of up to 200 nationalists, 23 units of military equipment and over 30 tonnes of ordnance for cannon-launched and rocket artillery near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

    💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the units from 26th Artillery and 59th Mechanised Infantry brigades of the AFU near Zakotnoye (Donetsk People's Republic) and Nikolayev, 128th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU and 121st Territorial Defence Brigade near Osokorovka (Kherson region) and Vremevka (Donetsk People's Republic), 66th and 93rd mechanised brigades of the AFU near Redkodub (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as 61 artillery units at their firing positions, 148 manpower and military equipment concentration areas.

    ◽ 6 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Mayaki (Donetsk People's Republic), Lezhino (Zaporozhye region), Pavlograd, Kolomiytsevo (Dnepropetrovsk region) and Nikolayev, as well as 2 field refuelling posts of 93rd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU near Redkodub (Donetsk People's Republic).

    💥 Attack launched by Russian Aerospace Forces has resulted in the elimination of a mobile group from AFU Centre of Electronic Reconnaissance near Chervony Stav (Nikolayev region).

    ◽ Moreover, 1 platoon of U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) has been neutralised near Nikolayev within counter-battery warfare.

    💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 MiG-29 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ◽ 1 Ukrainian Su-25 airplane has been destroyed by Russian air defence facilities near Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region).

    💥 Air defence facilities of Russian Aerospace Forces have shot down 5 unmanned aerial vehicles near Urozhaynoye (Kherson region), Svatovo, Vladimirovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Petrovskoye (Donetsk People's Republic) and Novoyegorovka (Kharkov region).

    ◽ 18 U.S.-manufactured rocket-propelled projectiles launched by HIMARS MLRS over Kherson, near Novaya Kakhovka, Chervony Mayak (Kherson region) and 2 U.S.-manufactured HARM anti-radar missiles over Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:05 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Do get a clue, you chicken littles, on how operations and plans are actually executed and over what time frames
    Pay little attention to historical context. Newfound Red Army and Soviet State was fighting multiple enemies on multiple fronts ( in Ukraine, Poland, Siberia, south of Russia), with completely unstable country largely destroyed by civil war and with huge casualties from WW1 and under international blockade. 
    Back to present time, Russia dwarfs Ukraine militarily and economically, plus war is being fought on Ukrainian territory. 
    Things like Lyman, shouldn't be happening in the first place. 
    It is only natural to question strategy and thinking of Russian political and military top, without getting victory in war in question. 
    In a figurative battle of David and Goliath, Ukraine is David here and not Russia.

    Then as now, Russia is facing the collective West

    And although the West is certainly more determined now than it was in 1918-1920, not to mention larger (now including Germany, former Austro-Hungarian territories and others); I do agree that the scale of the task faced by the Bolsheviks was considerably more so than that which is today faced by Putin, Lavrov and Shoigu.

    My point however is not that; I really am just talking about operational planning and execution.
    The Bolsheviks lost a considerable amount of territory before counter-attacking - but it was the enemy's over-extension and overconfidence that set them up for a surprise catastrophe (and this would later be served to the Bolsheviks themselves when they drove too far into Poland). Also, that the loss of this or that city or region did not phase the Red Army command or that of their leadership. They drew up plans and then executed them when the moment was right.

    Here though, we're basically talking about 1 town and its outlying villages. Yes the eastern part of Kharkov region as well, but that was abandoned on purpose.

    What is it that shouldn't be happening? A defensive battle centered on Krasny Liman? Then the battle would just be somewhere else. And with Russian forces probably attacking and suffering ambushes
    Here the opposite is happening. The NATO/Ukrainian forces are forced to expend a vast amount of material and reserves on assaulting a tenaciously-defended town whose defenders are backed up with superior artillery and air-support. And this has been going on for 3 weeks now. In my mind this is the smarter way of waging the war, compared to the slogging over Mariupol, Lisichyansk, Peski, Avdeevka and other places thus far. Let the enemy come to you.
    And whatever the losses among the defenders of Krasny Liman and its surrounding settlements; I'm willing to bet they're considerably less than the losses over the assaults of the places I've just named.


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    Post  Scorpius Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:08 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:...holy f*ck, this speech is still which sounds like a declaration of World War III.

    Don't be a 6th columnist.   Putin laid out the truth about the essence of the NATzO west.   He even explicitly stated
    that their problems are their own and Russia has no interest in fixing them.   The problem is that the NATzO parasites
    will not go down without trying to take the world and Russia with them.   So f*ck off with your twisting of his words.


    Could you tell me which words I distorted by stating my feeling of the tone of speech? After that you can go f*ck off with your far-fetched accusations.

    Or go and drink something soothing.In my memory, this is the first time that things have been called by their proper names at this level. That is why it all sounded as if war was to be declared on the entire West in the end.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:09 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    In a figurative battle of David and Goliath, Ukraine is David here and not Russia.

    Ukraine is David only now.
    Due to six months of intense struggle.
    Don't play Gooffy.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:10 pm

    Continuing the music theme, this is a stunning version best listened to far too loud and on a good sound system

    It looks like the Riders are on their way in unleashing a storm of Hell.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:12 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    In a figurative battle of David and Goliath, Ukraine is David here and not Russia.

    Ukraine is David only now.
    Due to six months of intense struggle.
    Don't play Gooffy.

    He literally called Ukraine David but you respond with insulting and saying Ukraine is infact David....

    You just can't help yourself can you
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Continuing the music theme, this is a stunning version best listened to far too loud and on a good sound system

    It looks like the Riders are on their way in unleashing a storm of Hell.


    Vietnam War song Wink

    And my subwoofer is up to the task Twisted Evil

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Continuing the music theme, this is a stunning version best listened to far too loud and on a good sound system

    It looks like the Riders are on their way in unleashing a storm of Hell.




    The question for the fighters of Ukroshitstan in Kharkov, Nikolaev and Odessa is..



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Continuing the music theme, this is a stunning version best listened to far too loud and on a good sound system

    It looks like the Riders are on their way in unleashing a storm of Hell.


    Vietnam War song Wink

    And my subwoofer is up to the task Twisted Evil

    Wouldn't consider Riders a Vietnam war song songs like fortunate son and All Along the Watchtower sure

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