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    Post  RTN Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:18 pm

    Heavy artillery like 2S7 Pion, 2S19 Msta and other heavy artillery should have been used in the opening hours of the conflict. Along with a judicious use of loitering munitions and armed drones.

    Instead Russia rushed head on with Tanks and IFVs that were easily targeted by the Ukrainians with armed drones and ATGMs. Extremely poor planning by Russian military. And this is a country just across the border.


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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:20 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    Yes naturally so - UNLESS you have an agreement with Russia to guarantee uninterrupted transit through Lithuania to Kaliningrad. This agreement was reached when Lithuania joined NATO back in 2004.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:29 pm

    Mir wrote:Perhaps you have a point but I believe you have to work from the top downwards. You must keep in mind that the Nazis back in the 1930's and now used the same terror tactics among the population to keep them in line. The people are scared shitless and fear for there lives. Those that don't corporate or resist are simply removed.

    Those who have been shelling civilians for 8 years, killing "subhumans" and using them as meat shields don't seem to be scared shitless

    Their fans and supporters back home aren't too scared either

    Simple truth is that they are all Nazi scum, every last one of them and they all need to be dealt with otherwise this will just keep repeating until eventually they win

    Sick cattle needs to be culled otherwise disease will keep spreading





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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:31 pm

    RTN wrote:Heavy artillery like 2S7 Pion, 2S19 Msta and other heavy artillery should have been used in the opening hours of the conflict. Along with a judicious use of loitering munitions and armed drones.

    Instead Russia rushed head on with Tanks and IFVs that were easily targeted by the Ukrainians with armed drones and ATGMs. Extremely poor planning by Russian military. And this is a country just across the border.

    Correct

    Plus extensive air raid campaign was required, two or three months at least to send that scum back to 19th century and terminate their recruitment pool before moving in

    Fortunately they aborted the retarded Plan-A before they fucked up too hard and started using their brain cells




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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:34 pm

    Mir wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    Yes naturally so - UNLESS you have an agreement with Russia to guarantee uninterrupted transit through Lithuania to Kaliningrad. This agreement was reached when Lithuania joined NATO back in 2004.

    Russia expecting this to be honored was just another Russian signature retard move and now they got what they deserved for being stupid and ignoring existence of Nazis

    Start moving stuff by sea and stop whining


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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:46 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    No not really. This is just like Finland joining NATO. It is a violation of the agreement that gave them independence.

    Lithuania would not have got independence if they did not agree to this passage to Kaliningrad. They are reneging their existence. It's a big deal.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:51 pm

    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    No not really. This is just like Finland joining NATO. It is a violation of the agreement that gave them independence.

    Lithuania would not have got independence if they did not agree to this passage to Kaliningrad. They are reneging their existence. It's a big deal.

    Why were these agreements made in the first place?

    Ownership is nine tenths of the law

    You can't expect other people to treat their own property as your own

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Regular wrote:...Russian TG groups said it was single Chechen and exchange was initiated by them. Or it could have been a gesture of good will, knowing how much backlash prosecuting females Russia got. Do you remember that Crazy Pizda helicopter gunner 8 years ago?

    So fuckin' what?

    Since when is backlash for anything relevant? Especially over females? This is war

    Chuds on this forum are constantly whining how women should know their place and should not be getting special treatment but suddenly everyone is coming up with excuses for this gas-chamber-fangirl psycho bitch Nazi avoiding persecution and walking away scot-free?

    Are you assholes so desperate for a pussy that you are willing to justify this bullshit?



    Calm down francis

    She's a nobody, else she wouldn't have been exchanged but prosecuted. She had a little bit of fame and Russia exploited that to get her exchanged for some minor personage it wanted back too.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:19 pm

    RTN wrote:Heavy artillery like 2S7 Pion, 2S19 Msta and other heavy artillery should have been used in the opening hours of the conflict. Along with a judicious use of loitering munitions and armed drones.

    Instead Russia rushed head on with Tanks and IFVs that were easily targeted by the Ukrainians with armed drones and ATGMs. Extremely poor planning by Russian military. And this is a country just across the border.



    They didn't have orders to shoot first in the first few days pretty much, just the standard regulation on retaliation. All those tanks and vehicles came in on the march, as if they were moving around in their own territory.

    Whole point was to come in nice and polite and collapse the Ukro govt or split the military from the political elites, or fracture the political elites and take over some cities. Things like that. But avoiding bloodshed as much as possible as it would have been counterproductive. Didn't work anyway, we've been over it before.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:30 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Yes naturally so - UNLESS you have an agreement with Russia to guarantee uninterrupted transit through Lithuania to Kaliningrad. This agreement was reached when Lithuania joined NATO back in 2004.

    This agreement is much older if I remember, and runs almost all of the post-Soviet period.
    The point is, that in reality, it is Russia who made these tiny bastards so laud.
    They gave them time and paid for the recalibration of the whole system.
    A few years back, they were dependent on the electricity supply, but since 2016 they are connected with an underwater cable with Sweden. Swedes run nuclear and have some net energy production, so potentially cutting off the Russian/Belarusian supply won't do much harm.
    Opposit. The Lithuanians keep the Belarussian balls tight, as the Klaipeda is a major port for Belarussian export, and nothing changed much here.
    The situation is weird, as Belarus has a very good connection to several ports in the Russian territory, Ust-Uga being one of them at about the same logistic distance as Klaipeda. There is some private business issues involved, as some of Klaipeda facilities are owned by RUS/BEL "money".
    At the moment, I see one very serious threat, and that is the free passage of the Danish Straits for Russian shipping, as one of the tools discussed at the moment of banning the transportation of Russian goods on the EU territory.
    And yes that would have been an act of war

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    No not really. This is just like Finland joining NATO. It is a violation of the agreement that gave them independence.

    Lithuania would not have got independence if they did not agree to this passage to Kaliningrad. They are reneging their existence. It's a big deal.

    Why were these agreements made in the first place?

    Ownership is nine tenths of the law

    You can't expect other people to treat their own property as your own

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes



    It's easy to say in hindsight. The USSR should have never broken up. But you supported that didn't you ?

    If Russia was being a total hardass about everything in the 90's and 000's , it wouldn't have gone very good either. But the mistake was the breakup of the USSR as an imperial unit. Russia is avenging those mistakes now by taking everything of value from Ukraine.

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    Post  calripson Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:37 pm

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    RTN wrote: How...? It's a Zionist mafia group controlled exclusively by the state of lsrael. They are also playing a role in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
    No that's not what he said. He is referring to the Deep State. A network that runs several countries including the U.S and E.U. An example of Deep State is The House of Windsor. And the Deep State is profiting from the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

    The "Deep State" is the operative mechanism of the global government which operates at the behest of the decision makers who control the global financial system. The "Anglo-America" power structure is at its heart a financial system dating back to the days of the British Empire. Leo Strauss (the neocons favorite philosopher) wrote extensively on society functioning as a pyramid with each level only knowing and acting in its capacity. Many functionaries and bureaucrats in the CIA/MI6/Pentagon/NSC probably think they are the top of the heap - they are not.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:45 pm

    Ah how foolish trying to bring up the 1991 agreement? first of you are all quoting article 14 while leaving out article 2 and others supercede it.

    Funny how that works you choose to only recognize the small portion of the treat that suits you but ignore the parts that.

    The situation is this

    Lith is saying due to Russia invasion of Ukraine they are exercising articles 2 and 1 which they have full legal rights to do.

    Russia helped write that treaty up don't bitch and moan likes kids when Lith uses a legal maneuver within the treaty to do something you don't like.

    Maybe the Russians should have been smart enough to think ahead or did anyone in the Kremlin actually think the Baltics would not react this way  lol!

    So sorry you legal and expert scholars (being sarcastic here)

    But you are wrong, Lith did not violate shit it was the Russians who gave them the opening and they took it

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:53 pm

    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

    No not really. This is just like Finland joining NATO. It is a violation of the agreement that gave them independence.

    Lithuania would not have got independence if they did not agree to this passage to Kaliningrad. They are reneging their existence. It's a big deal.

    Finland never had a written agreement it would never join NATO.....

    You are lying here.

    You can argue at best there might have been a verbal agreement but verbal agreements are about the time they are made not 50 years after.

    Governments dating back hundreds of years were smart enough to get stuff written down on official pieces of paper.

    So at least if the other party broke it they could be like "Hey see this paper they signed, they broke it" vs "Hey you know that promise this one leader made to our leader over 50 years ago when the global situation was vastly different from now? they broke that"

    You do know buttercup one man from over 50 years ago cannot speak for his country 50 years later and its insane to expect that.

    The logic on this forum is so broken and silly I swear

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:02 pm

    calripson wrote:

    The "Deep State" is the operative mechanism of the global government which operates at the behest of the decision makers who control the global financial system. The "Anglo-America" power structure is at its heart a financial system dating back to the days of the British Empire. Leo Strauss (the neocons favorite philosopher) wrote extensively on society functioning as a pyramid with each level only knowing and acting in its capacity. Many functionaries and bureaucrats in the CIA/MI6/Pentagon/NSC probably think they are the top of the heap - they are not.

    I summarize it for you and the forum. It is international Judaism, the eternal Jew. That is what controls Anglo-America and the West.

    The problem is that eternal Jew cannot completely dominate the world as long as countries like Russia, Iran, China, India exist. They are powers that compete with him and he tries to destroy them individually. He also cannot infiltrate ethnically like he did in Europe. There will never be a Japanese or Chinese Jew.


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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:03 pm

    Backman wrote:
    It's easy to say in hindsight. The USSR should have never broken up. But you supported that didn't you ?
    If Russia was being a total hardass about everything in the 90's and 000's , it wouldn't have gone very good either. But the mistake was the breakup of the USSR as an imperial unit. Russia is avenging those mistakes now by taking everything of value from Ukraine.

    Russia was not much in the position of playing hardass for the whole 90s.
    It has more than enough internal problems, fueled by the dissolution of the whole Soviet Union and really bad things that happened due to that.
    It was not in the position of playing hardass back in 2014 either, even if we all know that it would have spared thousands of lives.
    Tons of things should not have happened. Poland should have retained its position as a valuable Russian partner, just as it was at the beginning of the 90s.
    Europe should have re-established itself as a major superpower, with federal structures, and an economic deal making the open economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
    Nothing like that happened, and that was billions of $ pumped to achieve that goal. To disturb the European renaissance, to block European ties with Russia, and secure the Anglosaxon hegemony.
    It is always easy to be smart post factum, yeah?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    RTN wrote:Heavy artillery like 2S7 Pion, 2S19 Msta and other heavy artillery should have been used in the opening hours of the conflict. Along with a judicious use of loitering munitions and armed drones.

    Instead Russia rushed head on with Tanks and IFVs that were easily targeted by the Ukrainians with armed drones and ATGMs. Extremely poor planning by Russian military. And this is a country just across the border.

    Correct

    Plus extensive air raid campaign was required, two or three months at least to send that scum back to 19th century and terminate their recruitment pool before moving in

    Fortunately they aborted the retarded Plan-A before they fucked up too hard and started using their brain cells




    You can thank many Russians even some on this forum who advocated for gloves off approach

    That we would send recon in force platoons on foot and we would be greeted as heroes

    Fucking assholes got our men killed

    They should be the ones paying the price

    In the end , command got their plans together and are annihilating the VSU wholeslaughter of manpower 

    Apparently forces are massing near Kharkov according to many sources

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:41 pm

    [quote="SeigSoloyvov"]
    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Eh every]

    No not really. This is just like Finland joining NATO. It is a violation of the agreement that gave them independence.

    Lithuania would not have got independence if they did not agree to this passage to Kaliningrad. They are reneging their existence. It's a big deal.

    Finland never had a written agreement it would never join NATO.....

    You are lying here.

    You can argue at best there might have been a verbal agreement but verbal agreements are about the time they are made not 50 years after.

    Governments dating back hundreds of years were smart enough to get stuff written down on official pieces of paper.

    So at least if the other party broke it they could be like "Hey see this paper they signed, they broke it" vs "Hey you know that promise this one leader made to our leader over 50 years ago when the global situation was vastly different from now? they broke that"

    You do know buttercup one man from over 50 years ago cannot speak for his country 50 years later and its insane to expect that.

    The logic on this forum is so broken and silly I swear

    Are you insane ? You think Finland and Sweden (who managed to find a reason to stay neutral even with Hitler) are on the same agreements as the former Soviet states ? Take history 101 then some back. Or maybe just join Twitter , add a Ukrainian flag and spout off there instead.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 pm

    [quote="Arkanghelsk"][quote="PapaDragon"]
    RTN wrote:Heavy
    They should be the ones paying the price

    In the end , command got their plans together and are annihilating the VSU wholeslaughter of manpower 

    Apparently forces are massing near Kharkov according to many sources

    They were greeted as liberators by the population. Which is a big thing to convinienty leave out. Or am I wrong ? Can you point to some action by the great Kherson insurgency ?

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:53 pm

    Don´t react to those dumbasses, Backman.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:53 pm

    Backman wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    RTN wrote:Heavy
    They should be the ones paying the price

    In the end , command got their plans together and are annihilating the VSU wholeslaughter of manpower 

    Apparently forces are massing near Kharkov according to many sources

    They were greeted as liberators by the population. Which is a big thing to convinienty leave out. Or am I wrong ? Can you point to some action by the great Kherson insurgency ?

    Kherson, Melitopol "insurgencies" amount to lone SBU agents conducting scattered sabotage operations.

    In other words, same as has been going on in Crimea for 8+ years.

    Most of them are caught long before they manage to do something, but occasionally they plant a bomb somewhere to destroy some local water or gas pipe to the chagrin of some local babushki, or they stage a shootout and kill somebody the SBU don't like chilling a café. And the local population is without fail appalled, making them hate Kiev even more.

    But who cares about what the locals think...

    edit: Hey, that sums up everything, come think about it. "Who cares about what the locals think?"

    In Crimea, the Donbass, even as far as Kherson and Zaporozhie these days, when the Russians are welcomed by the majority, the majority opinion doesn't count. They should know better.

    When say Israel occupies places, throw the locals out, the majority hates it, but the majority opinion don't count!

    ...They should know better? Apparently so!


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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:49 pm

    Russian state media reports that a week before the attack on the Chernomorneftegaz drilling platforms, American commercial satellites filmed this area of ​​the Black Sea.

    Thus, the Earth remote sensing satellites Worldview-1, Worldview-2 and Worldview-3 photographed the area where the drilling platforms are located on June 11, 13 and 14, respectively.


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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:50 pm

    The Russian strike fleet has lined up for a massive strike, the Russian Federation is preparing an attack "on decision-making centers in Kyiv" in response to a strike on gas drilling rigs, - Arestovich

    Zelensky's spokesman said the Black Sea Fleet had lined up along Crimea's western coast for a massive missile strike.

    He urged residents of Pechersk and other central districts of Kiev not to neglect the alarms today and in the coming days.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:56 pm

    http://heninen.net/sopimus/1948_e.htm

    Article 1

    In the eventuality of Finland, or the Soviet Union through Finnish territory, becoming the object of an armed attack by Germany or any state allied with the latter, Finland will, true to its obligations as an independent state, fight to repel the attack. Finland will in such cases use all its available forces for defending its territorial integrity by land, sea, and air, and will do so within the frontiers of Finland in accordance with obligations defined in the present agreement and, if necessary, with the assistance of or jointly with, the Soviet Union.

    In the cases of aforementioned the Soviet Union will give Finland the help required, the giving of which will be subject to mutual agreement between the Contracting Parties.

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