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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:10 pm

    Mir wrote:What I don't understand from these minor Baltic States is that they keep barking at the Russians - putting a huge target on their back.
    The "freedom" they fought so hard for will evaporate in a few seconds once WWIII starts  dunno

    NATO’s ‘direct aggression’ against Russia means Moscow must defend itself

    https://www.rt.com/russia/557466-nato-engaged-direct-aggression-russia/

    The bloc is forcing Moscow to apply adequate self-defense, Andrey Klimov said after Lithuania blocked the transit of sanctioned goods to Russia’s exclave of Kaliningrad

    NATO member state Lithuania is now effectively engaged in “direct aggression” against Russia, senator Andrey Klimov argued in his Telegram post on Monday, citing Vilnius’ decision to stop the transit of sanctioned goods to Russia’s exclave of Kaliningrad.

    According to the Russian politician, who heads a commission for the defense of state sovereignty, by refusing to let certain goods pass through its territory to the Russian region, Lithuania has violated a treaty signed between Moscow and Brussels 20 years ago.

    No one asked Baltic civilians if they want to confront Russia, only politics do that as they can always escape abroad if SHTF. I think like all people, majority of us want to be neutral as we know that things can backfire.

    This decision makes no sense as it hurts Lithuanian railway as well, Russia can ship most of the good over the sea, even in winter time they can break it through so for them it will be inconvenience.

    Only winner of this decision and probably instigator is a paymaster from US as no sane politician would shot their own balls.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:11 pm

    Erk wrote:
    So do you think Lithuania came up with this "bright" idea on their own, or were they put up to it by someone else thinking for them?


    They are stupid enough to serve themselves as a starter for Russian dinner, voluntarily and on the silver plate.
    Nobody needs to provoke them Laughing

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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:21 pm

    Erk wrote:
    So do you think Lithuania came up with this "bright" idea on their own, or were they put up to it by someone else thinking for them?


    Just like confrontation with China, it was driven by someone controlling Lithuania as a proxy. Conflict against biggest import partner… during Covid pandemic… with no viable replacements… with multiple businesses importing Chinese goods… yeah, totally independent decision. Same goes here. As a Lithuanian I had **** all to say about it, my voting doesn’t even count as those decisions will be still done behind the closed door. Just depressing picture overall. I don’t know how Russia can answer to this, economically Lithuania already cut all the ties with Russia, I guess it will military pressure, Suwalki corridor threat. Just what an aging, small population wanted. To have economic hardship and war looming over us. pale

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:21 pm

    SpaceX has a real projects and real rockets with plenty of contracts with US government and NASA. The company value is overestimated because of dumbasses following Musk on twitter but it's not an empty company.

    SpaceX is corruption... it is a way for NASA to pretend there is competition in the market when there isn't, it is a way to hide money because a private company is not obliged to open its books to the public and it is allowed trade secrets et all that a branch of the government could only dream of.

    It is also a place for the US military to throw enormous amounts of money that can be kept secret and involve weapons and all the sorts of things NASA is not allowed to do either... and we know if the military are involved then a lot of money is not being properly accounted for.

    The slogan used to be... Join the Army, go new places, meet new people, and kill them.

    Now it is lose lots of money... don't know where... never be held account... and yes they do pay for sex change ops... in fact there are more sex change ops than special ops these days...   Embarassed

    But frankly Russia was dumb to stick with that useless island. Like I said from the begining, they should have put mines on it and in waters around it. If someone lands there they can just send a couple of su-34 to bomb them.

    If the plan is to grind up enemy forces then that island included the loss of at least 4 Hips loaded with troops... that would be at least 120 VDV or naval infantry equivalent soldiers, who would be quite dangerous on the ground in other situations... and there were landing ships hit and sunk too so the Ukraine has lost more than just drones with that island.

    Actually it could be another missile like this one :

    Could just as easily be a suicide drone too.

    Or it could be a Kh-59M.

    That's why I have been writing the Buyanm class with TOR for a long time, before this operation. These ships are what NATO does with its frigates with the straps. Fleet protection!

    Small ships should only be worried about defending themselves... patrol boats, corvettes and frigates... it is destroyers and cruisers and carriers that defend other ships too.

    Yes, TOR is expensive to buy but reliably save! The rockets, on the other hand, are cheap but 100% killers. PanzirM has also been actively overwhelmed. Ships are still expensive and therefore you need the best protection! Even small ships!

    Unfortunately you can't just snap your fingers and have things happen. the fact that a TOR system has been seen on the helicopter pad of a ship suggests they are looking at different ways of putting TOR on smaller ships... it is fitted to carriers and cruisers, the smallest ship with naval TOR is the Udaloy class Destroyers and they were at sea at least 3 years before the sensor mounts for these missiles was fitted... so it wasn't operational for the first 3 years of the ships operational life...

    They have showed new alternative mounts and are working on a new system but I rather think it might be a while before it is ready to go operational.

    Suicide drone can't attack building from the top... it's a missile.

    Are you saying there is no way a drone can climb up into the air and attack from a steep angle.... where is that coming from?

    These are the only ones that matter, destroying equipment officers is pointless because they will immediately be replaced

    Destroying equipment and men is the name of the game because they use that equipment and those men to fight back... eliminating the equipment and the people using that equipment is solving the problems.

    Besides I would say nazis with any sense of self preservation will be in HQs and meetings and also supply officers and support roles in the rear, because they want to encourage the conscripts coming through...

    This IS the way Russian military should be fighting , not with retarded scorched earth tactics , missing 97% of their artillery attacks.

    Vann... artillery shells do not require direct hits to be effective... near misses spray the target with fragments and kill things over a wide area... it is how they work.

    Most targets in war are not moving most of the time...

    A moving artillery piece is not firing.


    about fucking time , Russian army fighting like a modern army. Using artillery and cruise missiles
    for all is retarded slow and ineficient. Took 3 months for them to show this.. better late than never.

    The key word there is SHOW.

    Now they have revealed this the Orcs are going to be a lot more cautious, but then they have probably be using them for a month or more so they likely already know.

    I certainly think the planners behind the Ukranian civil was should be rounded up and held to account for the murders they encouraged. Perhaps some witch burning for the Nuland etc. But seriously, theses people need to face court for their crimes against humanity.

    Totally agree with you but of course they wont even admit to their crimes let alone find justice.

    The really scary part of this whole history is how little time is needed to zombify a nation.
    It took Hitler even less time to organize the first concentration camps.

    The treatment of Germany by the western powers made Hitlers rise inevidable.... ironically the nazification of the Ukraine was because of their black rich soils and lots of industry etc... why were they so poor... can't be their own fault... for hitler it was jew bankers in the west and the communists were all jews too according to his BS, and for the US all of the Ukraines problems came from Russia.

    The problem with Russia is that it really took a long time for them to learn, that they will never be accepted as a member of "civilized society".
    No matter what that means, BTW

    Realising that nazi germany was civilised society during WWII colours in the picture and explains that term... it means anti Russian.

    So no loss there.

    Those are the consequences.

    Western propaganda is very strong... Putin and Medvedev have woken up now though...

    Only winner of this decision and probably instigator is a paymaster from US as no sane politician would shot their own balls.
    Sinister pattern... Europe got cheap energy... gas, oil, even coal from Russia but no more... the US will call it a win but how much damage will Europe take before they notice the US still buys Russian oil and gas and Uranium... as usual it is do as I say and not as I do...

    They are stupid enough to serve themselves as a starter for Russian dinner, voluntarily and on the silver plate.
    Nobody needs to provoke them

    It applies to all of Europe really... you would think a multi pole planet where Europe could be independent and think for itself would be better than what they have now... but it seems Europe is afraid of its own shadow and perhaps its own divisions... is it really that fragile that it needs the US to hold it together with tales of the boogeyman Putin and Russia?

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    Post  gc3762 Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:24 pm

    Injuries reported after strike at Russian drilling platforms in Crimea
    Five out of 12 staff members have been rescued, the region’s head says

    https://www.rt.com/russia/557470-injuries-reported-strike-russian-drilling-crimea/
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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:30 pm

    How likely is it that Lithuania's blockade of Kaliningrad would lead to a direct confrontation between Russia and Nato? I just read about it. Russia could see this as a justification to attack them.
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    Post  Erk Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:09 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:How likely is it that Lithuania's blockade of Kaliningrad would lead to a direct confrontation between Russia and Nato? I just read about it. Russia could see this as a justification to attack them.
    Some Russian officials suggesting this.
    I would wait and see what Putin says.
    I am sure Putin will confirm some international agreements that have been violated.
    If he declares it's an act of war, then that's serious, suggests retaliation.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:16 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:How likely is it that Lithuania's blockade of Kaliningrad would lead to a direct confrontation between Russia and Nato? I just read about it. Russia could see this as a justification to attack them.

    Russia will apply transport restrictions to Lithuania and complain about the illegal move. The West is mad to escalate to justify wartime restrictions and through those jump directly into the great reset they so desperately need. I don't know if it can be avoided (provocation is easy to escalate higher and higher until you get a reaction like in Ukraine), but Russia will certainly try to avoid a world war, they sure as hell don't need it. People in Europe better pray the Russians manage to prevent this from escalating...

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:37 pm

    An interesting opinion piece on Snake Island contained the following.

    Let’s take a look at how the Russians had resupplied the island without any major incidents up until the early morning of the 17th June 2022. They had managed to ship over at least 18 separate vehicles, Air Defence systems, Fuel tanks, troops etc using cranes and supply craft like the Serna’s and the Project 22870. I was taking daily satellite images to keep an eye on the movements and positioning of this equipment and try to work out what was going on.

    I was also working with a few friends to try and identify as much as possible through various pieces of image/object recognition software. Currently, we can positively identify at least 5 TOR systems, 2 Pantir Systems, 1 Ranzhir mobile command centre, multiple Artillery pieces, 2x Air search Radars and multiple fuel/ammo dumps. Over the last week there has been a drastic increase in the use of camo netting, in an attempt to try and hide the equipment from the satellite passes.


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    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/snake-island-gut-feelings-and-impressions/

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    That's why I have been writing the Buyanm class with TOR for a long time, before this operation. These ships are what NATO does with its frigates with the straps. Fleet protection!

    Small ships should only be worried about defending themselves... patrol boats, corvettes and frigates... it is destroyers and cruisers and carriers that defend other ships too.

    Yes, TOR is expensive to buy but reliably save! The rockets, on the other hand, are cheap but 100% killers. PanzirM has also been actively overwhelmed. Ships are still expensive and therefore you need the best protection! Even small ships!

    Unfortunately you can't just snap your fingers and have things happen. the fact that a TOR system has been seen on the helicopter pad of a ship suggests they are looking at different ways of putting TOR on smaller ships... it is fitted to carriers and cruisers, the smallest ship with naval TOR is the Udaloy class Destroyers and they were at sea at least 3 years before the sensor mounts for these missiles was fitted... so it wasn't operational for the first 3 years of the ships operational life...

    They have showed new alternative mounts and are working on a new system but I rather think it might be a while before it is ready to go operational.

    Suicide drone can't attack building from the top... it's a missile.
    Just because it has not yet been done does not mean doing it tomorrow.

    The Buyanm class is not a "small boat". It is definitely for the black and the Mediransea a ship to ensure fleet protection. Russia has no 50 frigates like China or NATO and will never have it. Let's stay realitis.

    In my view, the BuyanM is ideal to have many of these ships that with 16xtorm2 (Navy version) and AK630 Plus 2 of 8 or 4 of 16 VLS cells with anti -Ship weapons to ensure fleet protection in the Black Sea and in the Mediterranean.

    The Radar Sea Version from TORM2 have a Range von ~80km. A Target Range from 30-40km. Better as not.

    Russia has to take what it can afford, which it can quickly build, which still offers a high level of protection. A convoy with 3x Buyanm ships what landing ships escorted to the Snake Island or merchant ships etc. is better than no fleet protection at all and just because they are "small ships" many of them would be much more suitable for everything coming.

    PS: Snake Island under Fire?[/quote]
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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:56 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
    The Buyanm class is not a "small boat". It is definitely for the black and the Mediransea a ship to ensure fleet protection. Russia has no 50 frigates like China or NATO and will never have it. Let's stay realitis.

    In my view, the BuyanM is ideal to have many of these ships that with 16xtorm2 (Navy version) and AK630 Plus 2 of 8 or 4 of 16 VLS cells with anti -Ship weapons to ensure fleet protection in the Black Sea and in the Mediterranean.

    The Radar Sea Version from TORM2 have a Range von ~80km. A Target Range from 30-40km. Better as not.

    Russia has to take what it can afford, which it can quickly build, which still offers a high level of protection. A convoy with 3x Buyanm ships what landing ships escorted to the Snake Island or merchant ships etc. is better than no fleet protection at all and just because they are "small ships" many of them would be much more suitable for everything coming.

    PS: Snake Island under Fire?
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    The Buyan-M is definitely a small boat. The original Buyan patrol boats were designed for the Caspian Flotilla. The follow-up Buyan-M is nothing but a small missile carrying patrol boat for coastal protection. The surface-to-surface missiles it carries are quite powerful and some have very long legs as demonstrated in the Syrian conflict. There is however nothing on the Buyan-M's that can qualify it for fleet protection. It can only attempt to protect itself at best.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:An interesting opinion piece on Snake Island contained the following.

    Let’s take a look at how the Russians had resupplied the island without any major incidents up until the early morning of the 17th June 2022. They had managed to ship over at least 18 separate vehicles, Air Defence systems, Fuel tanks, troops etc using cranes and supply craft like the Serna’s and the Project 22870. I was taking daily satellite images to keep an eye on the movements and positioning of this equipment and try to work out what was going on.

    I was also working with a few friends to try and identify as much as possible through various pieces of image/object recognition software. Currently, we can positively identify at least 5 TOR systems, 2 Pantir Systems, 1 Ranzhir mobile command centre, multiple Artillery pieces, 2x Air search Radars and multiple fuel/ammo dumps. Over the last week there has been a drastic increase in the use of camo netting, in an attempt to try and hide the equipment from the satellite passes.

    I am not sure if camo netting would help to "hide" anything? They probably use it for protection against the summer sun. That small island would be completely exposed to the elements.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:55 pm

    Regular wrote:...Russian TG groups said it was single Chechen and exchange was initiated by them. Or it could have been a gesture of good will, knowing how much backlash prosecuting females Russia got. Do you remember that Crazy Pizda helicopter gunner 8 years ago?

    So fuckin' what?

    Since when is backlash for anything relevant? Especially over females? This is war

    Chuds on this forum are constantly whining how women should know their place and should not be getting special treatment but suddenly everyone is coming up with excuses for this gas-chamber-fangirl psycho bitch Nazi avoiding persecution and walking away scot-free?

    Are you assholes so desperate for a pussy that you are willing to justify this bullshit?


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:02 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:How likely is it that Lithuania's blockade of Kaliningrad would lead to a direct confrontation between Russia and Nato? I just read about it. Russia could see this as a justification to attack them.

    NATO will not be going to war with Russia over Lithuania

    Europeans may have gone full retard lately but their owners across the pond still have their core logic functions intact




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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:18 pm

    Erk wrote:...I certainly think the planners behind the Ukranian civil was should be rounded up and held to account for the murders they encouraged. Perhaps some witch burning for the Nuland etc. But seriously, theses people need to face court for their crimes against humanity.

    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

    No harm can come to them

    If they get persecuted it will mean that Ukrainian population will be let go off the hook for what they did

    This surge of Nazism didn't come from top-down, it came from bottom-up and leaders of Ukraine have only been mouthpieces for what population wanted to happen

    Ukrainian leadership must be kept safe and allowed to relocate to EU and live like kings while Ukrainian population is allowed to watch and contemplate their own errors

    Ones who should be persecuted are foot soldiers who have been implementing Nazi policies on the ground and their supporters




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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:25 pm

    Tell me you're not serious PD! scratch
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:33 pm

    Mir wrote:Tell me you're not serious PD! scratch

    I am dead serious

    Tens of millions of Nazis after WW2 were let of the hook because everything was pinned on several big wigs (and not even most of them)

    Now we have a Nazi comeback

    This mistake should not be repeated

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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:42 pm

    Perhaps you have a point but I believe you have to work from the top downwards. You must keep in mind that the Nazis back in the 1930's and now used the same terror tactics among the population to keep them in line. The people are scared shitless and fear for there lives. Those that don't corporate or resist are simply removed.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:45 pm

    ⚡Russia will inflict strikes on decision-making centers in retaliation for attack on Chernomorneftegaz drilling platforms in Crimea - Deputy Sheremet ⚡

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:57 pm

    Backman wrote:⚡Russia will inflict strikes on decision-making centers in retaliation for attack on Chernomorneftegaz drilling platforms in Crimea - Deputy Sheremet ⚡

    This is some kind of stupid statements contest he participates in or something?
    An oil platform is a legitimate wartime target. Who cares if the company is "civilian"? Oil depots and refineries Russkies struck the third month in a row are just the same.
    Stupid comments like that, while doing nothing to destroy artillery positions that hit a Doneck city that is full of civilians, is only an example that being stupid can be achieved on both sides of the line.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:58 pm

    Backman wrote:⚡Russia will inflict strikes on decision-making centers in retaliation for attack on Chernomorneftegaz drilling platforms in Crimea - Deputy Sheremet ⚡

    Technically that would mean Washington DC. Which basically isn't gonna happen... yet.

    But I wonder if its another coded warning to America. That "Islamic terrorist groups" could strike America at any time.
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    Post  Backman Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:33 am

    Larry Johnson vs Ritter debate. The host is a bit of a wanker. It takes them awhile to get going.

    I think they are both right. With lend lease, Russia's political goals of a neutral Ukraine and demiliterization is harder to attain. At minimum it will take longer. Without weapons from the west , the way could be close to over now. Even Pushilin said that Russia will fight till the end of the year which is 5 more months.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:46 am

    "The Ukrainian attack on the Chernomorneftegaz towers untied Russia's hands, in the near future retaliatory strikes will be inflicted on the Kiev regime decision-making centers” - Duma Deputy Sheremet

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:06 am

    Eh every country has a right to say what and whom goes through their lands.

    Bitch that Luthaina did this and saying it wrong is just childish and frankly stupid to say, they are not "blockading" you really don't know the meaning of the word if your calling it that

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