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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:After Lisichansk falls, what are next targets for Ru forces?

    I'd say it's time for Slavyansk w/o any more distractions

    First the defensive positions and smaller settlements as well as roads that supply the cities should be blocked or placed under fire control

    That was the idea behind popasnaya, Rubizhne, and Izyum,

    It wasn't just because Russia wanted some small victories for Putin as the imbeciles of west write

    It was in order to choke the agglomeration of VSU and starve them of supplies and material while subjecting them to intense ordinance

    Same will apply to Slavyansk, first cut off Barvenkovo to the west,

    My guess is we will see a Russia push into Dnipropetrovsk to make way to the west and rear of Slavyansk

    From Izyum forces will drive west

    Seizing the roads leading to Slavyansk from the west and from the south will be of utmost importance

    Once Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are starved and isolated, storm them

    Then in Avdeyevka similarly, near Ugledar, cutoff supplies and roads

    And then rocket and bomb the defensive positions before storming

    With firepower and material superiority , Russia can repeat this process until Donbass is cleansed

    But taking Donbass will require as in Lughansk attacks farther west in neighboring regions

    So Russia will expand the foothold in Kharkov region, and Dnipropetrovsk region

    To make way to the rear of Hohol defenses and not storm them head on/directly

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    Once lisichansk falls, they will move 20 BTG towards Kharkov and Izyum, and mass an attack there

    They will leave the positions before Bakhmut with around 7 BTG as Kharkov is now,

    Since the importance of maintaining the pressure in the Lughansk area is not that high anymore

    Now 20 BTG should push west and south of Slavyansk creating a boiler similar to Severodonetsk

    And leaving a corridor to Avedyevka for Kramatorsk hohols to retreat to, but blocking off their escape west

    The red estuary, krasny liman , similarly will be the sight of massing of Russian forces



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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:46 pm

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    8 years of CIA directed work to prevent such scenario I presume. What did they expect? Pro Russians either bought,  threatened or just eliminated.
    I agree with you. As usual whole truth will come out only after war is over.

    Except in the West, the lies will continue here for decades

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:57 pm

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    This is what I believe will happen

    Repositioning of the mass of Russian battalions in Lughansk to the north sector

    And attacks west towards barvenkovo, and further into Kharkov and Dnipro directions


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    Post  RTN Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:10 pm

    For a 20 km stretch Russia is deploying 9 Battalion Tactical Group (BTG). Classic example - Belogorovka.

    8 BTGr. + 1 BTGr to attack and at least one in reserve, what if the front fails somewhere. That is, a minimum of 10 BTG only to complete the ring, assuming the resistance is weak. Of course these BTGs are backed up by LNR and DNR troops. A lot of artillery shelling on stationary positions makes a massive assault unnecessary. Russia can attack in small groups

    The shortage of units is affecting Russia's defensive strategy. For example BMPs, AFVs are not safe from heavy machine gun fire or ATGMs. As opposed to offense, defending in small group,  isn't working.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:17 pm

    RTN wrote:For a 20 km stretch Russia is deploying 9 Battalion Tactical Group (BTG). Classic example - Belogorovka.

    8 BTGr. + 1 BTGr to attack and at least one in reserve, what if the front fails somewhere. That is, a minimum of 10 BTG only to complete the ring, assuming the resistance is weak. Of course these BTGs are backed up by LNR and DNR troops. A lot of artillery shelling on stationary positions makes a massive assault unnecessary. Russia can attack in small groups

    The shortage of units is affecting Russia's defensive strategy. For example BMPs, AFVs are not safe from heavy machine gun fire or ATGMs. As opposed to offense, defending in small group,  isn't working.

    That much is clear, but again, holding onto symbolic positions near Kharkov is not the mission as of now

    It is to clear the VSU defensive agglomeration In Northern donetsk, of slavyansk, and Kramatorsk

    To get to the rear of the avdeyevka fortified area

    Once those areas are clear

    The BTGs can be dispersed and used liberally

    Ukrainians defenses after Donetsk are scattered and thinned out

    Keeping 20 BTG near Lisichansk and Zolotoye and Severodonetsk made sense ,

    But now that this group is gone, you don't need so many BTG for Bakhmut or Seversk

    The chechens and militias can take those areas with fire support

    The mass of BTG is needed west of Izyum to expand the foothold in the southern Kharkov region and Southern Dnipro

    A corridor for the last grouping of VSU in donetsk should be created , as in Lisichansk, where they can exit but only under full scale bombardment
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:22 pm


    I share the previous question, once eastern Ukraine is under complete Russian rule, what will be next? reinforce positions and plan a full invasion?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:23 pm

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    Here the map shows clearly , the heavy fire missions are occurring precisely in Barvenkovo

    A major offensive to take this settlement will be launched, as in Rubizhne, to the south west of Izyum and Dolina

    Then other operations taking smaller settlements south of Barvenkovo to cutoff exit of Slavyansk defenders , such as Velikaya Kamyshevakha

    Obviously this will take place as the Lisichansk operation finishes

    Bakhmut and Seversk will collapse as they will lose the depth that lisichansk provided them

    The belogorovka area is important, but barvenkovo and Great Kamyshevakha is even greater to cutoff

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:34 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    I share the previous question, once eastern Ukraine is under complete Russian rule, what will be next? reinforce positions and plan a full invasion?

    First donetsk must fall

    Then after this everything will happen quickly

    It will be necessary to face provocations from NATO

    But after the fall of Donetsk, the rest of Ukraine will be taken very quickly

    Potentially at this point we will face the prospect of a fight with Poland ,

    So units in Belarus should be prepared to enter Lvov

    But again, this scenario will be triggered after the fall of Donetsk

    Russia will push into Dnipro, Kharkov, and Nikolayev, even Odessa

    And with this NATO will face a choice, to enter and assist Poland in capturing Halychyna (Galicia)

    And face Russia

    Then bets are off, Russia will expand the fighting to Suwalki and 1st GTA new objective could be to demilitarize everything to the Vistula River

    But we are still far from this scenario, but we are assured NATO has something in works

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:50 pm

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    Hohols are now becoming more creative with their fake stories. Recently Ukronazi propagandist tried to use a picture of American porn star and model Billy Herrington, as a “Russian casualty” in Donbass. Not only they claimed he is a casualty, but they also made a whole story about how he was killed while trying to save a tank crewman after his tank was destroyed.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    First donetsk must fall

    Then after this everything will happen quickly

    It will be necessary to face provocations from NATO

    But after the fall of Donetsk, the rest of Ukraine will be taken very quickly

    Potentially at this point we will face the prospect of a fight with Poland ,

    So units in Belarus should be prepared to enter Lvov

    But again, this scenario will be triggered after the fall of Donetsk

    Russia will push into Dnipro, Kharkov, and Nikolayev, even Odessa

    And with this NATO will face a choice, to enter and assist Poland in capturing Halychyna (Galicia)

    And face Russia

    Then bets are off, Russia will expand the fighting to Suwalki and 1st GTA new objective could be to demilitarize everything to the Vistula River

    But we are still far from this scenario, but we are assured NATO has something in works
    Easy there tiger. Step by step. Kharkov will not be easy target unless Ukrainians decide to retreat. Which doesn't look like the case atm. Also Zaporozhye and, more importantly, Dnepropetrovsk will be even harder. Dnepropetrovsk is run by Kolomoisky and his clan and they will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:20 pm

    Problem is that in main pro-Russian cities in Ukraine, such as Kharkov and Odessa, many suporters of Russia were killed or purged in other ways. Many pro-Russian people moved out from Kharkov ( I've seen numbers upward of 50k since 2014). Problem of Kharkov per se, is that Ukrainian gov is aware of that and they invested a lot of money to support building up Kharkov as a stronghold of nationalists, akin to Mariopol. It didn't help that Biletsky is from there and he recruited a lot of scum. This is why Marchenko, ex head of Aidar batallion, was appointed as a head of Odessa oblast after the war started. Mayor of Odessa, Trukhanov, remains primary candidate to switch sides. Taking every big city by force will take much longer time and will carry huge loss in lives and property.

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:22 pm

    LGBTQ rally in Warsaw in support of Nazi AZOV battalion. At first I was little bit surprised to see this. What with these Neo-Nazi loving liberal brainless zombies? Maybe it's because AZOVs are notorious for being sexual perverts & practice degeneracy just like them. These same folks will quick to call you a nazi if you don't call them by their pronouns.

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:25 pm

    Razz
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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:46 pm

    The Russian response to the ban on transit to Kaliningrad will be very tough, they are able to "cut off the oxygen" to our Baltic neighbors

    Medvedev

    Do it

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:00 pm

    Backman wrote:The Russian response to the ban on transit to Kaliningrad will be very tough, they are able to "cut off the oxygen" to our Baltic neighbors

    Medvedev

    Do it
    What are they going to do?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:01 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Problem is that in main pro-Russian cities in Ukraine, such as Kharkov and Odessa, many suporters of Russia were killed or purged in other ways. Many pro-Russian people moved out from Kharkov ( I've seen numbers upward of 50k since 2014). Problem of Kharkov per se, is that Ukrainian gov is aware of that and they invested a lot of money to support building up Kharkov as a stronghold of nationalists, akin to Mariopol. It didn't help that Biletsky is from there and he recruited a lot of scum. This is why Marchenko, ex head of Aidar batallion, was appointed as a head of Odessa oblast after the war started. Mayor of Odessa, Trukhanov, remains primary candidate to switch sides. Taking every big city by force will take much longer time and will carry huge loss in lives and property.

    The population centers won't be the main targets, at least not yet

    The Russian army will move to all the areas that are loosely defended

    So when I say Kharkov, I don't mean the city, I mean the region itself

    So all the small settlements and swathes of land will be important to take before storming Kharkov

    The same approach to Donetsk

    And all major population centers

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    Post  franco Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:06 pm

    Rybar has a POW update. Over 15,000 now, with more coming in. The discrepancy with some of the "official" Russian figures that seem too low is because Russia counts the POWs in their hands and in the LDPR's hands separately.



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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:09 pm

    Arkhangelsk:

    What are Russians going to do with fortified urban areas like Kharkov?
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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:23 pm

    The same as with Mariupol. If neccessary.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/newsbits-on-ukraine-lysichansk-cauldron-civilian-damage-reserve-troops-russian-default.html#more

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    Orc head is severly deformated. Very Happy

    Elenskiy has odered most if not all reserves from Kharkov, Odessa and Nikolaev to the Donbass. unshaven Maybe he is a russian agent after all. Laughing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:36 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Arkhangelsk:

    What are Russians going to do with fortified urban areas like Kharkov?

    Those areas will be the last to be taken

    For example, if you look at Lughansk, Severodonetsk and Lisichansk were the last population centers to fall

    The settlements and roads were first

    So in Kharkov, the same, small settlements and roads will be blocked and taken, and the storm will come after

    Zelensky issued a directive June 25th, that all reserves from Nikolayev, Odessa, and Kharkov be transferred to the Lisichansk fortified area

    This is desperation

    Because the gate to central Ukraine is coming unhinged from the portal

    When Slavyansk and Kramatorsk fall, the entire central Ukraine will be open for the taking

    You will see regions fall very quickly , as opposed to the methodical grinding we have become used to seeing

    Why?

    Because noone will be left to defend these areas

    NATO and Ukraine placed their bet in holding LDNR until the winter

    Noone could imagine the demilitarization process would be so fast

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:48 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:Razz
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    Why are you surprised if you know that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are homosexuals and liberals financed by international Zionism. Ukrainian neo-Nazis want to live like Western Europe. It's that friend. They want to be gay and hip like their German friends.

    I tell you: in Buenos Aires there was a demonstration of Ukrainians against Russia. All young liberals who take advantage of the fact that this country is kidnapped. Of course, I passed with my car doing the Z. The sons of bitches couldn't believe it.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:50 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:LGBTQ rally in Warsaw in support of Nazi AZOV battalion. At first I was little bit surprised to see this. What with these Neo-Nazi loving liberal brainless zombies? Maybe it's because AZOVs are notorious for being sexual perverts & practice degeneracy just like them. These same folks will quick to call you a nazi if you don't call them by their pronouns.

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    I will tell you why.

    Warsaw is a major center of the ruling German-Ukrainian mafia.


    Lots of people on the photographs are in reality Germans and Ukrainians living in Poland.



    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


    Now you know.


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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:55 pm

    All those people should be re-educated in Chechnya by Ramzam's tigers.

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    The Lisichansk cauldron is almost sealed

    8km between the neck of the cauldron

    Those who flee are subjected to deadly grad strikes

    The situation for VSU is difficult as the entire front collapses

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    Of course slavyansk and kramatorsk are the new objectives, but as I stated , they will go around the cities from west and east

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    8km means the Allied troops can use Kornets now to destroy enemy troops/vehicles. thumbsup

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