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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #19

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:05

    The US is in a precarious situation in its southern direction

    Colombia has just overthrown the right wing government it has had for a long time, combined with Venezuela and a Left wing Brazil, the entire continent has the means to supply Mexico and Cuba
    With Russia having a ripe moment to move in for the kill.

    This will mean forming a relationship with the bloc which is not just antagonistic , but which will mean Russian presence in Latin America for a very long time

    Jeanine Anez fate is symbolic of what has happened to Latin America

    Never before has this Red Tide truly swept through the continent

    If baltics want to blockade kaliningrad, it's fine

    Just wait to see what is cooking in the land of our resident latino friends

    I smell Eurasian Integration, from sea to shining sea
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:18

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The US is in a precarious situation in its southern direction

    Colombia has just overthrown the right wing government it has had for a long time, combined with Venezuela and a Left wing Brazil, the entire continent has the means to supply Mexico and Cuba
    With Russia having a ripe moment to move in for the kill.

    This will mean forming a relationship with the bloc which is not just antagonistic , but which will mean Russian presence in Latin America for a very long time

    Jeanine Anez fate is symbolic of what has happened to Latin America

    Never before has this Red Tide truly swept through the continent

    If baltics want to blockade kaliningrad, it's fine

    Just wait to see what is cooking in the land of our resident latino friends

    I smell Eurasian Integration, from sea to shining sea

    Woooooooooow you propagandist

    first off no one was "overthrown" a dude won an election and there is nothing to suggest he is anti-american or looking to make those deals with Russia.

    Brazil also isn't

    And whats Venezeula going to do? nothing

    You just made up some extreme BULLSHIT, but a liar will liar when it comes trying to make up their bullshit lol!
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:19

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The US is in a precarious situation in its southern direction

    Colombia has just overthrown the right wing government it has had for a long time, combined with Venezuela and a Left wing Brazil, the entire continent has the means to supply Mexico and Cuba
    With Russia having a ripe moment to move in for the kill.

    This will mean forming a relationship with the bloc which is not just antagonistic , but which will mean Russian presence in Latin America for a very long time

    Jeanine Anez fate is symbolic of what has happened to Latin America

    Never before has this Red Tide truly swept through the continent

    If baltics want to blockade kaliningrad, it's fine

    Just wait to see what is cooking in the land of our resident latino friends

    I smell Eurasian Integration, from sea to shining sea

    Do not trust the Latin American left and I have plenty of evidence for living in Argentina.
    I can only get to highlight Cristina Kirchner as a friend of Russia (rather China, better said), but she is the same son of a bitch who has taken resources from our armed forces when there was money to spare. They never bought Russian weapons despite constant British provocations in Malvinas. They are traitors.
    The left has always been allied with Democrats like Biden. Bolsonaro has acted much better with Russia than the corrupt and traitorous Lula would have done.
    Like the rights, they are left imposed by foreign interests. Soros has been a financier in many cases. Don't forget something important: in Latin America, gender ideology, indigenism, cultural progressivism and abortion were promoted by leftist governments.


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    Post  calripson Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:31

    The Monroe Doctrine is in full effect. (A point Mearsheimer brings up regarding the hypocrisy of the West's reactions to Russia). Any leader that becomes too inconvenient in Latin America will be isolated, replaced, or die of an extraordinarily rare form of childhood cancer. American is not Russia/late USSR. They know how to keep their backyard in check.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:37

    calripson wrote:The Monroe Doctrine is in full effect. (A point Mearsheimer brings up regarding the hypocrisy of the West's reactions to Russia). Any leader that becomes too inconvenient in Latin America will be isolated, replaced, or die of an extraordinarily rare form of childhood cancer. American is not Russia/late USSR. They know how to keep their backyard in check.

    The United States controls both sides, left and right. Both are functional to their interests.
    You were left with the image of Guevara's idiotic bourgeois terrorist revolutionary.
    The last true statesman on the continent was Juan Domingo Peron who died in 1974 (and I am not a Peronist)

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:40

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The US is in a precarious situation in its southern direction

    Colombia has just overthrown the right wing government it has had for a long time, combined with Venezuela and a Left wing Brazil, the entire continent has the means to supply Mexico and Cuba
    With Russia having a ripe moment to move in for the kill.

    This will mean forming a relationship with the bloc which is not just antagonistic , but which will mean Russian presence in Latin America for a very long time

    Jeanine Anez fate is symbolic of what has happened to Latin America

    Never before has this Red Tide truly swept through the continent

    If baltics want to blockade kaliningrad, it's fine

    Just wait to see what is cooking in the land of our resident latino friends

    I smell Eurasian Integration, from sea to shining sea

    Woooooooooow you propagandist

    first off no one was "overthrown" a dude won an election and there is nothing to suggest he is anti-american or looking to make those deals with Russia.

    Brazil also isn't

    And whats Venezeula going to do? nothing

    You just made up some extreme BULLSHIT, but a liar will liar when it comes trying to make up their bullshit lol!

    The Colombian government has been right wing for close to 20 + years 

    It is catastrophic for USA

    And Brazil is getting ready to welcome Lula

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu 23 Jun 2022, 18:58

    The US never ever tried to control if their gov is left or right, again you are lying and making shit up BTW GENIUS the guy in question doesn't even have the seats in the congress he needs to pass his lawls lol!

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    Post  Werewolf Thu 23 Jun 2022, 19:09

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The US never ever tried to control if their gov is left or right, again you are lying and making shit up BTW GENIUS the guy in question doesn't even have the seats in the congress he needs to pass his lawls lol!

    Now you are lying.

    The US is directly involved in many countries parties. The entire EU is under control of US policy and most South American countries have been or are under attack by USpAID NGOs and parties.

    Let us not pretend like the US did not had many years of intense economical hitmans forming the South American continent the way they imagined the easiest way to control the governments.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu 23 Jun 2022, 19:18

    The official telegram channel of Uralvagonzavod is asked to convey gratitude to Macron for the samples of French CAESAR howitzers provided to them. They are slightly disappointed with the quality of the products, but they ask for more, because any of them will come in handy Wink
    https://t.me/uvznews/2110?single

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 19:57

    Werewolf wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The US never ever tried to control if their gov is left or right, again you are lying and making shit up BTW GENIUS the guy in question doesn't even have the seats in the congress he needs to pass his lawls lol!

    Now you are lying.

    The US is directly involved in many countries parties. The entire EU is under control of US policy and most South American countries have been or are under attack by USpAID NGOs and parties.

    Let us not pretend like the US did not had many years of intense economical hitmans forming the South American continent the way they imagined the easiest way to control the governments.


    The Americans have lost the continent 

    This guy winning in their backyard is a signal of things to come for them

    This is a bloc which is forming that is anti American 

    When colombia and Venezuelan borders are open

    Well, wagner will be training not just the Venezuelan army, but the Colombian one as well soon

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 20:02

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The US never ever tried to control if their gov is left or right, again you are lying and making shit up BTW GENIUS the guy in question doesn't even have the seats in the congress he needs to pass his lawls lol!

    Of course it did, the DEA , the state department and CIA had a hand in Colombian politics since Pablo Escobar and even before

    Colombia is the outpost of USA in Latin America , 

    But do not worry about it, we will take care of it for you 

    Since you are enthusiastic about being in everyone else's backyard except for your own

    Wagner will have to train many militaries, and Rosneft has a lot of oil and gas to process and resell 

    We may yet see the trans American pipeline, just not the one trump wanted 

    And built by rosneft no less;)

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    Post  ludovicense Thu 23 Jun 2022, 20:25

    GarryB wrote:
    What you want is for everyone to believe in everything russia says has facts while not believing a single dam thing Ukraine says (Unless it suits your narrative).

    Based on normal logic you have to get away from the idea of good guys and bad guys, and accept that some are liars and others tell the truth as they know it.

    In that regard we have clear track records for all parties involved and so far the side to believe is the Russians, and the side to ignore is Kievs and the British and the American and the EU version of events.

    It really is that simple.

    Russia has lied to try and cover up some tactical failures, such as the river crossing etc.

    Lied?  There has been a lot of speculation about what happened with no confirmation. Russia has not stated everything is going their way and that they have made no mistakes.

    Kiev tells us the counter offensive starts in Autumn so this time next year they will have the Crimea back... by force.

    For instance Slovenia is transporting BVP M-80 IFVs to Ukraine. Why isn't Russia targeting these supply routes?

    Because letting them get to the front line, it is easy to destroy them when they are full of Orcs so you kill the vehicle easily enough and you also eliminate some orcs at the same time.

    Rather more impact on the enemy than telling them some APCs are on the way... and oops now they are not coming...

    Russia has used more long range precision weapons than anyone in the West thought was possible, but they are still limited in the amount they can launch on a daily basis. They must retain a large reserve taking into account possible escalations with NATO.

    They will have humint resources in place, but will have to fully confirm targets are what they think they are... Kiev would love for them to hit a building with nuns or school children in it rather than a Nazi barracks they were expecting.... the cameras would be on site before the attack even started...

    However, it would make a lot of difference in a country like Ukraine if used in large quantities.

    So you want thousands of drones operating in Ukraine... who is going to be operating all these thousands of drones considering the size of the operational Russian force being used they don't have the numbers to hold the territory they have and also support and operate drones and artillery and air power... that is just stupid.

    In terms of bang for buck one drone providing recon for artillery battery is vastly more powerful than 1,000 suicide drones.

    Ukraine does not have air defenses in large numbers for medium and high altitudes.

    The Russians don't have enough soldiers in the Ukraine to operate all these magic drones you are dreaming about... and they have thousands of stingers.

    Many posts show formations and columns of tanks, bmp and transports roaming freely without any cover. They would be potential targets without a shadow of a doubt.

    And how much damage would a drone make with a column of enemy forces?

    Compared with say an artillery spotting drone or an attack helicopter or CAS aircraft.

    I think that the Russian Armed Forces have already reached this conclusion, since they are increasing the production of attack drones a lot.

    You are assuming many things here with no supporting evidence. Suddenly seeing videos from drones is not evidence they have not been used up until now... Russian artillery started the use of drones during the cold war and are the branch of the Russian military with the most experience with drones and drone use... it is the reason they use laser guided shells because their drones have laser target markers built in to them.

    I used the Predator as an example. The MQ-9 Reapers are the modern version of them. In spite of all the advances drones are deficiencies of the Russian armed forces.

    When was the last time the US operated such drones freely and widely over territory where the enemy had BUK and S-300 systems operating?

    Such drones are sitting ducks to even very average air defence systems... which is why the US is not sending those heavier drones because they know the Su-35s would easily chase them down and butcher them.

    Russia has a few types in those sorts of categories, but we don't know what they have or have not deployed... such drones would not be that useful because even a big drone like the ones you mention only carry half a dozen weapons at best and would be next to useless taking out a column of enemy forces caught out in the open.

    That's one of directions. Loitering suicidal drones would also be nice to dive on targets just approved by an operator. But for now small light quadcopter drones would add a lot of value in close combat or ambush detection. Hard to detect and even harder to hit. Is aad missiles as used its pretty expensive deal...

    Drones solve specific problems... but problems Russia does not have in this conflict. A single drone can be used to direct artillery from multiple batteries depending on where the enemy is located... one drone using cameras and a datalink can provide target information that allows entire columns of enemy to be wiped out via air power or artillery... you don't need thousands of drones... and these so called suicide drones are pathetic... their payloads seem to be too small and therefore their lethality is marginal... compared to a 152mm shell or a 203mm shell they are rubbish.

    I don't believe in invincible tanks, everyone is subject to defeat. However, a more sophisticated tank has a greater chance of survival and greater attack potential. Otherwise why don't we stay at T 34?

    If you send in better tanks the enemy will simply use different tactics... land mines and IEDs etc etc.

    The point is that these forces operate these vehicles... changing vehicles for a fight is short sighted.

    Kalibr and Iskander are Russia's top weapons today, even though they've been in service for a long time. Kinzhal is another very new type of weapon that probably doesn't have enough strength to make a difference on the battlefield.

    Kinzhal seems to be able to reach deep into buried underground bunkers and destroyed the contents... contents I am sure minutes before the attack thought they were safe... then all of a sudden Zelensky is in front of a green screen...

    Drones are a nice tool , but they will remain a minor player until more drones are produced, and can fly in true autonomous fashion and conduct air warfare on their own

    Until then, it's just another toy

    They are what the west based its whole plans on... drones would sneak through and take out all of Russias formidable air defence forces and then the western air force would just breeze in and clean it up like it did with Iraq... except they are not that effective.

    Long-range artillery fire is fixed by drones. How does it make no difference?

    But you said they weren't using drones.

    And you didn't need to repeat that entire conversation just to make that one comment did you?

    Now, Ukraine is limiting the use of TB-2s to 'rare special occasions and attack missions,' said one of the pilots.

    Like for massacres of Kievs gear on a certain island in the Black Sea.

    French politician Régis de Castelnau:
    “Another achievement for Macron. Two French CAESAR self-propelled guns were captured by the Russians unharmed.

    As soon as they mentioned they were sending them I said they would mount missions to capture them.

    The caravan hunters captured all sorts of stuff in Afghanistan including Stinger Missiles, Blowpipe missiles, and Milan anti tank guided missiles... amongst other items.

    Nice trophy yes but I don't think there will be much the Russians can learn from it - let alone wasting their time reverse engineering it >>>

    For every design there are solutions to problems.... and every solution is a trade off of cost or complexity etc etc

    Looking at the solutions the french took with their design will be valuable... even just to work out where to hit it to take it out efficiently.

    Nope bipolar just amazed by how stupid sometimes russians can be and how hyped they are with their AD.

    I have not come across a single Russian who has stated the entire territory of Russia is invincible and protected from all air based threats.

    In comparison, most western countries are seives for drug smugglers and all sorts of other aerial infiltrations every day... are they stupid too?

    They are spending too much money on AD and clearly not enough on the airforce which could have destroyed the airports this drone operated from

    These drones could have operated from any stretch of road... the west is totally in the shit in this regard because they spent all their money on their aircraft which are eye wateringly expensive... to expensive to even operate... and what defences would they have to that?

    The Ukraine flew a subsonic drone into HATO territory which was a front line which all of HATO planes and satellites and resources would be watching and it crash landed without being shot down too.

    They should have had at least 100 su-57 by now if they invested enough money in it instead of S-500 which has no real use in an atomic war.

    Su-57s would be less use than their air defence forces... even Pantsir and TOR have shot down more drones and enemy threats than 100 Su-57s could manage.

    Now they have to keep the few su-35 they have far away from danger because they don't have enough of them. Su-30 and su-34 don't seem to have any survivability against soviet made AD systems with their huge rcs.

    Should be a real eye opener for HATO really... how will they go against Russian air defence?

    I also think Russia should have at least 300 SU 35 which is what is possible now. Su 57 will only have production cadence when the new engine has been completed.

    Well I am sure they would be interested in your opinion but they are going to put 76 Su-57s into service and operate them for a bit to decide whether the extra operational costs are worth the improved performance. Once they have more Su-57s in service and more experience operating with them they might freeze production of the Su-35 and put in a second order for Su-57s... but by then the LTS will likely be starting to get ready and any MiG equivalent will also be at a point where they can look at them both as options to an affordable fleet of modern aircraft...

    Peresvet can blind them all , the question is: blinding US military sats means war. But private companies....

    Eventually the US is going to offer an escalation that warrants it... or perhaps Kiev is stupid enough to try to attack Crimea...

    Send an arty shell with instructions on how to surrender to the Z-Forces their way.
    At least give them a chance to walk out alive.

    And when the nazis read these notes they will know where to aim to shoot their own in the back as they surrender... if these guys want to surrender then drop your weapon and run away... or shoot your officers and then run away and then drop your weapon.

    Either by Speakers, leaflets spread by red artillery shells or radio frequency intercept. An offer and instructions to Surrender is easily made.
    If they refuse. so be it.
    Then its an direct millitary solution.
    They are in the way after all.

    I appreciate what you are saying, but the people in charge of these forces don't want to give up their meat shields and certainly don't want to end up captured either because they probably have done things that will get them hung.

    Besides... what are they going to do with all these prisoners?

    Every time I am struck by the intensity of the stupidity of Western propaganda - as well as the number of people who believe it unconditionally in the West

    Especially when such people actually think the people of the Soviet Union and also Russia were mindless drones that believed everything their governments tell them... ironic really.

    Most Russians and Soviets were skeptical of their own governments and hated them for all their lies... and then they were exposed to western governments and their promises.... hahahaha.

    A peaceful route still possible , but not with the clown Nazis in power . Any candidates on the Uki side ?

    Any serious opposition to Zelensky is in jail or murdered... opposition parties are banned too... any replacement will just be more of the same...




    Sometimes I think that the translator generates distortions in the verb tense, which leads to a misunderstanding in my line of thought.

    I said that it would be desirable for Russia to have around 300 Su 35 fighters today. It is a fighter that went into production in 2011.
    I didn't say that Su 35 has to be massively produced in the next few years.

    The logic is to invest in the SU 57 although 76 is a low number of aircraft considering the size of the Russian territory. Also remembering that this number will only be reached in 2027.
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    Post  Hole Thu 23 Jun 2022, 20:34

    Actually there is a pretty simple way to disable an airport. It is called containerized bomblet dispersal unit. Basically a cruise missile which has a mix of explosives and anti-personnel mines. The explosives wreck the runway and the anti-personnel mines will maim anyone trying to clear the rubble. There were agreements in the 1990s in several initiatives to ban the use of mines which removed this weapon from most countries arsenals. I think Russia and the US never signed that treaty.

    Looks great on paper and exercises but in reality the runway can be cleared in a few hours. Each military airport in the FSU had engineer units to solve such problems. I´m pretty sure there are still such units in Banderaland. Shit, back in the 80´s the ancestor of the VKS had units that could rebuild a whole airport in a matter of 2 month or so. Just to show you their capabilities.

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    Post  ludovicense Thu 23 Jun 2022, 20:38

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    ⚡❗Europe is ready to resolve the issue of transit of goods for Kaliningrad.

    Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda said that the European Commission will soon give detailed explanations on this matter.


    ......................

    The European Union blinked first.....

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    Post  JohninMK Thu 23 Jun 2022, 21:11

    Hole wrote:
    Actually there is a pretty simple way to disable an airport. It is called containerized bomblet dispersal unit. Basically a cruise missile which has a mix of explosives and anti-personnel mines. The explosives wreck the runway and the anti-personnel mines will maim anyone trying to clear the rubble. There were agreements in the 1990s in several initiatives to ban the use of mines which removed this weapon from most countries arsenals. I think Russia and the US never signed that treaty.

    Looks great on paper and exercises but in reality the runway can be cleared in a few hours. Each military airport in the FSU had engineer units to solve such problems. I´m pretty sure there are still such units in Banderaland. Shit, back in the 80´s the ancestor of the VKS had units that could rebuild a whole airport in a matter of 2 month or so. Just to show you their capabilities.

    Agreed re the runways, bulldozers are very effective. A better chance of crippling an airfield is to hit its infrastructure, comms, munitions but especially the fuel dumps. Just as the Russians have been practicing doing in Ukraine.

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    Post  LMFS Thu 23 Jun 2022, 21:57

    Broski wrote:concern troll

    a person who disingenuously expresses concern about an issue with the intention of undermining or derailing genuine discussion.


    I see several of them in the last few pages alone, especially when their "solutions" to Russia's "problems" just happen to line up perfectly with US/NATO doctrine or objectives.

    This is the exact definition of emo-marxists and sixth columnists that plage this board for years, more even than plain trolls. For some reason they seem to think their stench is less discernible so, they may even think they actually care for Russia, when in the end all they are craving for is the collapse of Putin's regime, the ensuing destruction of the whole country being acceptable collateral damage for them dunno

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    Post  LMFS Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:04

    It seems there was major advance today, Zolotoye taken, the allied forces walked all the way to Lisichansk, the road to Seversk is under fire control. May be the last days of nazi occupation of LNR

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    Post  Hole Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:24

    JohninMK wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Actually there is a pretty simple way to disable an airport. It is called containerized bomblet dispersal unit. Basically a cruise missile which has a mix of explosives and anti-personnel mines. The explosives wreck the runway and the anti-personnel mines will maim anyone trying to clear the rubble. There were agreements in the 1990s in several initiatives to ban the use of mines which removed this weapon from most countries arsenals. I think Russia and the US never signed that treaty.

    Looks great on paper and exercises but in reality the runway can be cleared in a few hours. Each military airport in the FSU had engineer units to solve such problems. I´m pretty sure there are still such units in Banderaland. Shit, back in the 80´s the ancestor of the VKS had units that could rebuild a whole airport in a matter of 2 month or so. Just to show you their capabilities.

    Agreed re the runways, bulldozers are very effective. A better chance of crippling an airfield is to hit its infrastructure, comms, munitions but especially the fuel dumps. Just as the Russians have been practicing doing in Ukraine.

    Still every time the Nazis manage to get some aircraft or drone into the air the same people here are screaming: "Russians have to destroy the airports!" Rolling Eyes

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    Post  JohninMK Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:31

    Hole wrote:

    Still every time the Nazis manage to get some aircraft or drone into the air the same people here are screaming: "Russians have to destroy the airports!" Rolling Eyes

    Getting one or two Su-25 or Mig-29 into the air is a doddle compared to the shear numbers of aircraft, most needing clean runways, that NATO would have to continue putting up to defeat any Russian attack. Especially as aircraft not SAMs are their main defence.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:31

    The liberation of donetsk will be interesting

    How to attack ?

    The Lughansk operation was marked by the battles surrounding Severodonetsk

    My guess is forces will be rotated and massed near Izyum and Barvenkovo, to storm Slavyansk

    Once Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are taken

    The avdeyevka and Ugledar fortifications should be approached from the rear/north as lisichansk was

    That way they are surrounded and cleaned of nazism

    Once the donetsk operation is wrapped up by winter,

    A full storm of undefended Ukraine will be in order

    Since all their main forces will be destroyed in the donbass , it will be easy to move on other regions

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    Post  ludovicense Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:32

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    After Germany messed up repairs Russia offered to turn on Nord Stream 2 to deliver the missing gas. Germany refused. This is deliberate. They want you poor!
    ..............

    Russia wants to humiliate Germany.... Very Happy

    I have a feeling that Russia will cut the gas in the middle of winter... it is gradually decreasing the flow.....

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    Post  LMFS Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:35

    Hole wrote:Still every time the Nazis manage to get some aircraft or drone into the air the same people here are screaming: "Russians have to destroy the airports!" Rolling Eyes

    It is always cleaner and easier in the theory than in practise, and war is the definitive definition of chaos. That is why attrition is a continuous process, not an operation limited in time... people need to get real about it

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:39

    ludovicense wrote:Stan
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    After Germany messed up repairs Russia offered to turn on Nord Stream 2 to deliver the missing gas. Germany refused. This is deliberate. They want you poor!
    ..............

    Russia wants to humiliate Germany.... Very Happy

    I have a feeling that Russia will cut the gas in the middle of winter... it is gradually decreasing the flow.....

    Germans wanted to live green with the heroic Greta thunberg

    So let them! 

    If they want Nord Stream 2 can be turned on any time 

    If not,  have a happy winter !

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    Post  LMFS Thu 23 Jun 2022, 22:39

    ludovicense wrote:Stan
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    After Germany messed up repairs Russia offered to turn on Nord Stream 2 to deliver the missing gas. Germany refused. This is deliberate. They want you poor!
    ..............

    Russia wants to humiliate Germany.... Very Happy

    I have a feeling that Russia will cut the gas in the middle of winter... it is gradually decreasing the flow.....

    Yeah, Russia cuts the gas for political reasons, say these creepy clowns, and we are supposed to believe it, but in the meantime they scramble to get the fucking compressor out of Canada and as soon as it is ready for operation, Russia will be shown their place and will start pumping again... the guys really think there is no-one with a brain in this planet clown clown clown

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