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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:59 am

    destruction means of the enemy launched at Snake Island. ▫The destroyed targets were: 13 UAVs, 4 Tochka-U missiles and 21 projectiles of Uragan multiple rocket launcher. ▫No Ukrainian destruction means have reached their targets in Snake Island. ▫The unsuccessful fire attack
    https://twitter.com/Andjela_Sipovac/status/1539378664382644224

    You will try again and again. Probably also specifically take the supply under fire. It is also interesting what Ukraine uses with NATO and does not use this on the "Eastern Front" but ...

    At some point, NATO will put frog men there a etc. ...
    But TORM2 held with the with now 5 Systems?
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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:59 am

    ludovicense wrote:
    Ned86 wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    IF the Russian military did their job right , with the right weapons , modern weapons with Ultra precision , from the very start ,and the standard equipment , like strike drones ,glide bombs ,loitering munition in big numbers , they could have routed ukrainian army from those trenches in the very first week of war ,and forced Ukraine to surrender ,after capturing 100,000 soldiers.


    You are either retarded or you watched too much BS from Hollywood.
    RuAF is using everything you mentioned plus much more you haven't seen in Hollywood movies.

    In at least some elements I agree with Vann... Clearly there is a lack of sophisticated drones in quantity like the American MQ-1 Predator. It would make a big difference on the battlefield. Could also use the T 90 M on a larger scale. As a counterpoint, use Kalibr and Iskander in large numbers, which are a last generation weapon. Even so, I think that the initial problems of the Russian army were due to misguided tactics, not due to the weapons used.

    Suspect The MQ-1 Predator was retired in 2018.

    What is a "last generation" weapon.

    Sounds like a Van sock. dunno

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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:02 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No its moronic to say Russia would not benefit from having such drones in mass Ukraine could not deal with them, unlike Russia they cannot rapidly resupply lost AD.

    But of course fanboys will state otherwise, it is true if Russia has fleets of drones like predators in the skies, Ukraine would be in way more pain then it is now.


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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:22 am

    The brOSINT retards on twitter are all giddy about the new satellite images coming in of Snake Island. They havn't dropped yet. But what do they expect to see ?

    Ukraine really needs either a propaganda win or a new atrocity propaganda story to keep the show going.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:53 am

    RTN wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Didn't work anyway, we've been over it before.
    Low IQ Putin miscalculated big time. Even the Russian speakers in the predominantly Russian speaking regions of Ukraine did not co-operate with the invading Russian forces.

    Im glad that expert on your level evaluated one of most influential people in the world. So who are you again?
    Cheers

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:49 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Didn't work anyway, we've been over it before.
    Low IQ Putin miscalculated big time. Even the Russian speakers in the predominantly Russian speaking regions of Ukraine did not co-operate with the invading Russian forces.

    Im glad that expert on your level evaluated one of most influential people in the world. So who are you again?
    Cheers

    Are we still responding to that fool? I had him on ignore before I got banned. Seems he is still doing his usual nonsense. He not only doesn't know what he speaks of, but does it intentionally.

    Loser really has no life I can tell.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:10 am

    ludovicense wrote:
    In at least some elements I agree with Vann... Clearly there is a lack of sophisticated drones in quantity like the American MQ-1 Predator. It would make a big difference on the battlefield. Could also use the T 90 M on a larger scale. As a counterpoint, use Kalibr and Iskander in large numbers, which are a last generation weapon. Even so, I think that the initial problems of the Russian army were due to misguided tactics, not due to the weapons used.

    That makes both of you retarded then.
    The only thing "clearly there" is an extremely intense role of inexpensive, small drones that are being used by the troops on the ground in thousands, not even hundreds.
    No armed forces on Earth had them before this conflict, as everyone considered it as toys.
    Some small numbers were used by the most sophisticated special forces, and that's it.
    Now, in both Russian and republican armies, those drones are the main subject of donations and each delivery to the front consists tons of them. DJI is already a superstar in this conflict, and the prices of drones doubled on Aliexpress.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Drones are irrelevant to this war

    That is an extremely immature statement, as we all see that the role of drones is huge.
    Only question is, what kind of drones.
    The Bayraktar saga already has proven, that they are all easy prey for solid AD assets, and don't pay any serious role.
    And no, Predator, and no other Wunderwaffe would have worked better. Maybe some high speed and low observable ones, could be slightly more effective, but hardly believe in that.
    Russians are using drones in huge numbers, let it be Orlans or Forposts. The conflict led to arming Orlans, maybe you have missed that. Forposts are already armed, and Inohodets is coming big, too. This huge plant freshly painted is not there for masquerade, you know?
    But no other country than China has the physical potential to produce thousands of small, civilian in mean, drones that are now the standard equipment of every single squad.
    Sometimes, we can witness how 2-3 operators run own drones operating in the very same point, same building. Drones are on the top priority list of any money collecting campaign, and the main supply of any volunteer group. I suppose that no official and big project of creating such a dro will follow, as those made for civilian usage are already in production in tens of thousands. Maybe, Russia should talk with the already established suppliers to open facilities in Russia, that's it. Or buy bigger numbers as an official order.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:52 am

    Guys, I just want to clarify. The original news says "50 generals and officers were destroyed," so in reality we can talk about two generals and 48 lieutenants. In addition, 50 is hardly an exact figure, it could be any other number from 50 to 3. I would not believe everything that is told to the press. The correct message should sound like this: "we have struck at a place where, according to our data, a meeting of the command staff could take place. We assume that up to 50 officers, including generals, could have died as a result of our strike."

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:33 am

    So Russia promised an appropriate response to Lithuania's blockade, but except from a military response I cannot imagine any other outcome. I hope it will not come so far.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:41 am

    Scorpius wrote:Guys, I just want to clarify. The original news says "50 generals and officers were destroyed," so in reality we can talk about two generals and 48 lieutenants. In addition, 50 is hardly an exact figure, it could be any other number from 50 to 3. I would not believe everything that is told to the press. The correct message should sound like this: "we have struck at a place where, according to our data, a meeting of the command staff could take place. We assume that up to 50 officers, including generals, could have died as a result of our strike."

    Alteratively, this strike could have resulted from solid human intelligence from anti-Banderite assets within the military or government. In which case, it could be exactly what it says.

    I'm going to assume the latter mainly cuz, if true, its simply so delicious Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:02 am

    Ukrainian attack on gas production platform off Crimea, apparently after their attack on Snake Island was an utter failure.  Ukrop claim the platforms serve "dual purposes" ie hinting that they have offensive military capabilities but that seems well dubious, and I don't expect they have anything more than self-defense wepaons, if even that.  

    Orcs gonna Orc, and then claim to be the victim...

    Ukraine's missile raid is understood to have severely damaged one of the three stationary production platforms on the Odesskoye gas field, identified as BK-1, and inflicted minor damage to two other production installations nearby, BK-2 and BK-3.

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    Russian state news agency Ria-Novosti said fire was also raging on a drilling jack-up, identified as Krym-1, located next to the BK-3 platform at the time of the strike.

    Photo of alleged damage.  Platform is toast if this image is genuine.  This smells like Ukropi using Western long range MLRS and guidance by NATO assets.  If so, there needs to be a kinetic response.

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    Tried to find some other images of these platforms to try verify if this image is consistent with the platforms design, but no luck so far.

    Edit: FAKE. Photo is from 8 years ago, in the Red Sea.


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    Post  Serberus Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:18 am

    https://t.me/swodki/120273
    Another fake
    Thats an image of fire damaged platform from 2014

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:18 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:So why is there a decision now, for Russian army to launch a major offensive on this Bakhmut , area?

    How come they don't proceed through Lisichansk slowly as in Severodonetsk?

    What is the change now in strategy, that makes it favorable to launch such a massive assault in the region?

    I think what we are about to see is the total collapse of the eastern front and it would be much easier for the Russians if they could first cut off the roads leading to Lisichansk. That would effectively cut all supply routes from this fairly large town.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:27 am

    Serberus wrote:https://t.me/swodki/120273
    Another fake
    Thats an image of fire damaged platform from 2014

    Ah, very good.  Thanks m8.

    The Ukies have definitely hit structures in the Black Sea, it just remains to see what damage and casualties result.   In any case, there needs to be a solid response.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:32 am

    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No its moronic to say Russia would not benefit from having such drones in mass Ukraine could not deal with them, unlike Russia they cannot rapidly resupply lost AD.

    But of course fanboys will state otherwise, it is true if Russia has fleets of drones like predators in the skies, Ukraine would be in way more pain then it is now.


    Suspect The MQ-1 Predator was retired in 2018

    Learn context, my statement means large attack drones. Not a Particular model.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:33 am

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:So Russia promised an appropriate response to Lithuania's blockade, but except from a military response I cannot imagine any other outcome. I hope it will not come so far.

    What blockade? There is no blockade, propaganda talking point
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    Post  Serberus Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:34 am

    Luftwaffe used a Baryaktar? drone in a “suicide” mission to strike at Rostov refinery
    https://t.me/wargonzo/7337


    Also Zolote looks to be Cauldronised
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    Post  Arrow Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:06 am

    Fire fighting action
    https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/85723

    It was PD2 UAV
    This shows how dangerous drones are. They are able to penetrate the most advanced anti-aircraft defense in the world, damaging infrastructure. The same was the case with Saudi Arabia and their refineries.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:17 am

    Russian lied themselves with their mighty AD systems and OTH radar that didn't want to see it isn't pefect. Stealthy cruise missiles will go just as easily as this drone IMO. Having a defensive strategy makes you loose the war. Nowadays you need a shiton of cruise missiles and fighter jets to win.


    https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1539520241906159616

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:22 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:When The Lies Come Home

    After lying for months, the media are preparing the public for Ukraine’s military collapse. By Douglas McGregor

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    Diogenes, one of the ancient world’s illustrious philosophers, believed that lies were the currency of politics, and those lies were the ones he sought to expose and debase. To make his point, Diogenes occasionally carried a lit lantern through the streets of Athens in the daylight. If asked why, Diogenes would say he was searching for an honest man.

    Finding an honest man today in Washington, D.C., is equally challenging. Diogenes would need a Xenon Searchlight in each hand.

    Still, there are brief moments of clarity inside the Washington establishment. Having lied prolifically for months to the American public about the origins and conduct of the war in Ukraine, the media are now preparing the American, British, and other Western publics for Ukraine’s military collapse. It is long overdue.

    The Western media did everything in its power to give the Ukrainian defense the appearance of far greater strength than it really possessed. Careful observers noted that the same video clips of Russian tanks under attack were shown repeatedly. Local counterattacks were reported as though they were operational maneuvers.

    Russian errors were exaggerated out of all proportion to their significance. Russian losses and the true extent of Ukraine’s own losses were distorted, fabricated, or simply ignored. But conditions on the battlefield changed little over time. Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and  the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless. But this development was portrayed as failure by the Russians to gain “their objectives.”

    Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force. This is all the more true in Ukraine, because it was apparent from the first action that Moscow focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces, not on the occupation of cities or the capture of Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper River.

    The result has been the piecemeal annihilation of Ukrainian forces. Only the episodic infusion of U.S. and allied weapons kept Kiev’s battered legions in the field; legions that are now dying in great numbers thanks to Washington’s proxy war.

    Kiev’s war with Moscow is lost. Ukrainian forces are being bled white. Trained replacements do not exist in sufficient numbers to influence the battle, and the situation grows more desperate by the hour. No amount of U.S. and allied military aid or assistance short of direct military intervention by U.S. and NATO ground forces can change this harsh reality.

    The problem today is not ceding territory and population to Moscow in Eastern Ukraine that Moscow already controls. The future of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions along with the Donbas is decided. Moscow is also likely to secure Kharkov and Odessa, two cities that are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, as well as the territory that adjoins them. These operations will extend the conflict through the summer. The problem now is how to stop the fighting.

    Whether the fighting stops in the early fall will depend on two key factors. The first involves the leadership in Kiev. Will the Zelensky government consent to the Biden program for perpetual conflict with Russia?

    If the Biden administration has its way, Kiev will continue to operate as a base for the buildup of new forces poised to threaten Moscow. In practice, this means Kiev must commit national suicide by exposing the Ukrainian heartland west of the Dnieper River to massive, devastating strikes by Russia’s long-range missile and rocket forces.

    Of course, these developments are not inevitable. Berlin, Paris, Rome, Budapest, Bucharest, Sofia, Vilnius, Riga, Tallin, and, yes, even Warsaw, do not have to blindly follow Washington’s lead. Europeans, like most Americans, are already peering into the abyss of an all-encompassing economic downturn that Biden’s policies are creating at home. Unlike Americans who must cope with the consequences of Biden’s ill-conceived policies, European governments can opt out of Biden’s perpetual-war plan for Ukraine.

    The second factor involves Washington itself. Having poured more than $60 billion or a little more than $18 billion a month in direct or indirect transfers into a Ukrainian state that is now crumbling, the important question is, what happens to millions of Ukrainians in the rest of the country that did not flee? And where will the funds come from to rebuild Ukraine’s shattered society in a developing global economic emergency?

    When inflation costs the average American household an extra $460 per month to buy the same goods and services this year as they did last year, it is quite possible that Ukraine could sink quietly beneath the waves like the Titanic without evoking much concern in the American electorate. Experienced politicians know that the American span of attention to matters beyond America’s borders is so short that an admission of defeat in Ukraine would probably have little or no immediate consequences.

    However, the effects of repeated strategic failures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are cumulative. In the 1980s, General Motors wanted to dictate the kind of automobiles Americans would buy, but American consumers had different ideas. That’s why G.M., which dominated the U.S. market for 77 years, lost its top spot to Toyota. Washington cannot dictate all outcomes, nor can Washington escape accountability for its profligate spending and having ruined American prosperity.

    In November, Americans will go to the polls. The election itself will do more than test the integrity of the American electoral process. The election is also likely to ensure that Biden is remembered for his intransigence; his refusal to change course, like Herbert Hoover in 1932. Democrats will recall that their predecessors in the Democratic Party effectively ran against Hoover for more than a half century. Republicans may end up running against Joe Biden for the next 50 years.

    Some Americans do get it.  Too bad McGregor isn't influential in US policy making circles.  As it is, the liberal 3/4 of the MSM calls him a traitor and a "kremlin-puppet".  These people are stupid, right down to their bones.  Razz

    Isn't this the same boomer that appeared on Tucker Carlson (day 3 or 4) stating that the main Ukrainian grouping in the Donbas would be encircled within 24-48 hours after which the wa - I mean 'special operation' would be declared over?

    Something which he then kept repeating every other week or so - up till 2 months ago when he suddenly he changed tune and started parroting whatever new talking-point-of-the-day BS?

    I'll give this 'expert' a hard pass, thank you very much. No surprise the drones keep falling for it hook line and sinker though.

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    The "Deep State" is the operative mechanism of the global government which operates at the behest of the decision makers who control the global financial system. The "Anglo-America" power structure is at its heart a financial system dating back to the days of the British Empire. Leo Strauss (the neocons favorite philosopher) wrote extensively on society functioning as a pyramid with each level only knowing and acting in its capacity. Many functionaries and bureaucrats in the CIA/MI6/Pentagon/NSC probably think they are the top of the heap - they are not.

    I summarize it for you and the forum. It is international Judaism, the eternal Jew. That is what controls Anglo-America and the West.

    The problem is that eternal Jew cannot completely dominate the world as long as countries like Russia, Iran, China, India exist. They are powers that compete with him and he tries to destroy them individually. He also cannot infiltrate ethnically like he did in Europe. There will never be a Japanese or Chinese Jew.

    Japan's Constitution was in part written by Jews, with the character of Beate Sirota as main villain (responsible for the most outrageous additions).

    Not going to go into their current standing in the world and how they are plugged into the (((globalist))) power schemes.

    As for China, it is well documented how Jewish subversives were common guests in Mao"s China - emphasis in Sidney Rittenberg who authored Mao's Little Red Book. From Deng onwards China became fully entangled in the webs of (((international finance))) - as a dependant player. It was only after 2015 that the Jews and the Chinese fell out as Xi embarked on a nationalistic, independent path something which has created deep ripples and will soon leave the entire political and business elite in (((The West))) seething.

    Also had to laugh about the dimwits babbling about Russia's perceived hostility towards international jewry. LOL. Chabbad isn't exactly like the Reform Jews that rule the West, but their Jews nonetheless.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:41 am

    Bytheway it's really cute to see the usual suspects still going on in circles as if nothing bad has happened in the past 4 months.

    At this point one just checks in here to have a good laugh at the expense of 'the usual suspects'. All the rest is just re-gurgitated Kremlin talking points topped off with fake bravado and chest pumping. (nobody outside the circle jerk buys it anymore anyway)

    This is why you don't buy into propaganda. It darkens your intellect/ critical thinking skills.

    With the addition that Russians get a pass as it's demanded of them to rally around the flag in these times. Putin simping Westerners deserve to be laughed at.

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    lol!

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:52 am

    Isos wrote:Russian lied themselves with their mighty AD systems and OTH radar that didn't want to see it isn't pefect. Stealthy cruise missiles will go just as easily as this drone IMO. Having a defensive strategy makes you loose the war. Nowadays you need a shiton of cruise missiles and fighter jets to win.

    Who says they lied to themselves? And who says they are losing because now and then a drone hits some place? OTH does not see in most of Ukraine BTW.

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