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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:00 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:O forces are advancing steadily with battles, SU-25's overhead in support



    Nice video , But to correct the mistakes of people that don't understand what those su-25's really
    doing..

    --> This is NOT close air support ..  This is not combat video of Su-25..

    What Russian army is doing with their su-25's ,as far videos they released, is using their
    su-25's for scouting,  For spying on Ukraine territory , And to avoid air defenses , they fly
    low and fly very fast ,as fast they can.. doing heavy turns and dropping a lot of decoys ,just in case they attacked with manpads.

    So what's the problem with this tactics?

    The problem is that this is useless for precision destruction of enemy important targets..
    in order for Su-25 to destroy for real anything , they  can't fly that fast , they need to fly
    high altitude and then dive their nose on their target while bombing.  


    This is an Su-25 in nagorno karabah by azerbaijan, providing close air support.. Notice how the plane needs visual contact with what they  are bombing , and don't pass flying fast of their targets. This is how Su-25's can be used efficiently. But i suspect Russia limitated number of precision missiles and lack of drones ,is the reason they have to resort so much using outdated
    unguided rockets , from far distances ,and without even having visual contant with the target to hit.




    The problem however is That Russia airforce don't have air superiority in Ukraine , the airspace
    over Ukraine is contested , and is very unsafe to fly , for the failure of Russian airforce to destroy Ukraine air defenses after 100 days of war.  So because the Russian airforce don't have enough drones to spy on ukraine airspace on a consitent way ,24 hours a day , then the russian airforce is forced to use Su-25's , as replacement of spy drones..  still their job is inferior ,because they can't stay illuminating the target , as it shold be for russian artillery or iskanders or cruise missiles to finish it.

    so as cool as the video look, is very innefficient tactics and slow ,how russia is searching and destroying important targets in Ukraine.  A much better tactic  would have been the Su-25 ,instead of dropping useless unguided rockets ,that had no chance to hit with precision anything important ,unless is lucky hit , flying that fast and so low and in indirect bombing , and from far distances.
    Much more efficient would have been Su-25 to be removed all their useless Rockets , and bombs ,if they had no plans to use the plane correctly for close air bombing with visual line of sight of target.
    then they could use those planes ,as drones carriers.. And drop a dozen of cheap drones ,whenever they find an important target , like artillery positions or air defenses.. and release a dozen of cheap and small drones and leave. and then a second pilot flying near the place operate the drones ,to illuminate the targets,, for Russian artillery to destroy it . if this is done very quick and fast , the drone operator + artillery operators , can blow a dozen of important targets.. before those drones shutdown by air defenses or man pads.  in wars , timing and speed is everything.. and this is how Russian airforce could speed up the destruction of Ukraine air defenses and artillery. Using Su-25's are drones carriers..   also glide bombs with tv cameras guidance  could be fired , towards the position those low flying su25s find important targets to destroy and provide coordinates of it ,to their base.

    another thing could be done is Arm Those Su-25 with smart missiles ,with artificial intelligence .
    so sad russian airforce don't have british or israel smart missiles fire and forget tech. that the missile themselves hunt for armor or artillery targets to destroy in the zone they are requested to look.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:24 am

    Regular wrote:
    Ukraine announced that they captured female Serbian sniper Bagira - Serbia denied: She is in Serbian prison, sentenced to 6 years for fighting on Russian side

    https://t.co/lpwiDrKFMr

    Ok, I guess Serbian volunteers better stay in Russia after this is over...

    This whole story is hogwash, that chick is currently serving prison sentence here in Serbia for whatever and couldn't physically be in Ukraine

    Also, that's not her in the photo

    Ukrops figured out that sending bomb threats to Serbian schools is not working so they are trying some other retarded move now?


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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:40 am

    Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?

    it works this way.. Is a circus,a propaganda show ,to made it look ,the russian airforce is bombing very hard the ukraine military, but most of this su-25's in reality ,what they provide of value to Russian military is scouting, the positions of ukraine forces from time to time , so that later they can use artillery and scorch the entire place.

    THe minister of defenses released 2 x Su-25s firing 3 unguided rockets , high in the air ,then turning
    around and flying fast away. No This is why The russian operation is soooo slow,.. Russian army
    is sooo slow , they lacks of an efficient airforce ,with True close combat support using precision weapons. Also very limited in their use of strike drones with precision weapons too..

    So this is why whenever you see an Ukraine trench , you will notices THOUSANDS and Thousands of failed strikes in their positions.. So this is literary dragging their feet in the war. with inadequate combat tactics in outdated warfare.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Ukraine announced that they captured female Serbian sniper Bagira - Serbia denied: She is in Serbian prison, sentenced to 6 years for fighting on Russian side

    https://t.co/lpwiDrKFMr

    Ok, I guess Serbian volunteers better stay in Russia after this is over...

    This whole story is hogwash, that chick is currently serving prison sentence here in Serbia for whatever and couldn't physically be in Ukraine

    Also, that's not her in the photo

    Ukrops figured out that sending bomb threats to Serbian schools is not working so they are trying some other retarded move now?



    Exactly. But it also worries me that Serbian gov is arresting volunteers. Is that true or another BS?

    Team Ukraine is onto you, expect more provocations from them. Serbians and Hungarians getting some unwarranted hate

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:03 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    medo wrote:Ex US general Steven Twitty said, that around 200.000 Ukrainian soldiers disappeared and no one knows, where they are.

    Those are not soldiers, but statistics are given to get the payment.
    And I am serious.
    No army can withstand a 200k dead in a few weeks, and keep rollin'
    This is just another paper army, after the Afghan one.
    Numbers add, the money adds, but there are no men behind.

    Sure that Russkies are boiling shit out of them, but not at that scale.

    It is a fraud.

    Typical exaggeration to get more funds flowing for the Nazi cause.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:03 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Say 🧀

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    A dream come true for a cross dresser! Laughing

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:04 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Do we have confirmation that the Buyan was indeed hit?

    Why isn't Gibka at least installed and slaved to the radar?

    At this point all who said no AD on these ships are fine have been totally discredited

    Regardless if these are small patrol corvettes, or offshore patrol vessels, they were the only ships floated and the most likely to see combat

    So they should have been armed as well as they could

    What a shame if this has happened

    They will land another harpoon hit if this goes on

    Get rid of the stupid artillery guns and come to the present time

    The likelihood of coastal artillery making any difference in this war is small compared to the importance of protecting oneself from a drone munition or an AshM

    Artillery guns and lowly protected small ships are OUT

    Self defense is IN

    They do have the Gibkas as well as the ak-630M2's for air defence.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:12 am

    Lithuania has started a blockade of rail connections with Kaliningrad
    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1537905016748445700?t=TcvfnzXhvkX4pRWqcV_vlg&s=19
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:13 am

    mnztr wrote:
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    Backman wrote:In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?

    imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too.  They shoot with nose up to reach specific range of the shoot. Perhaps also move vertical impact when missile is descending.


    When I as watching an SU-25 do a similar mission there was a tone in the cockpit just before the missiles were fired. So it is probably GEFEST and you can select the type of ammo. It detects angle, velocity and heading and tells you when to light it up.

    The type of ammo is presented in low right part of the HUD. If you are addressing the material I watched too, there is a clear "C-8" mark, corresponding to S-8 80mm caliber rockets. The fire control system indicates the launch moment or shoots by itself. It is an old tactic known for theatres with intense MANPADS coverage, that is why we are not widely familiar with it. All the other conflicts, we have witnessed unguided missile attacks made with shallow diving. That would put the plane at increased risk, as it flies high and in a straight line.
    Last but not least, it increases the range of missiles. S-13 rocket - widely presented under the pylons - is a de facto equivalent of Grad missile, with a weight of +/- 60 kg and half of that being warhead. I guess those can be easily shot at much longer distances than limited with LOS to 3-5km. As Soviet heritage left millions of S line missiles in stocks, they are using the less expensive what they can have. That is just an airborne Grad.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:16 am

    Arrow wrote:Lithuania has started a blockade of rail connections with Kaliningrad
    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1537905016748445700?t=TcvfnzXhvkX4pRWqcV_vlg&s=19

    That would be a good reason to start WWIII Neutral
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am

    Mir wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Lithuania has started a blockade of rail connections with Kaliningrad
    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1537905016748445700?t=TcvfnzXhvkX4pRWqcV_vlg&s=19

    That would be a good reason to start WWIII Neutral  

    Why?
    Everything can be delivered by the sea.
    That would be a good reason to stop the electricity supply, at most.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:33 am

    Any blockade against Kaliningrad would be seen by the Russians as an open declaration of war.

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    Post  Sprut-B Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:47 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Say 🧀

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    These Western elites are all same. Guess why Elensky is so popular in the West  Razz  

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:03 am

    Regular wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Ukraine announced that they captured female Serbian sniper Bagira - Serbia denied: She is in Serbian prison, sentenced to 6 years for fighting on Russian side

    https://t.co/lpwiDrKFMr

    Ok, I guess Serbian volunteers better stay in Russia after this is over...

    This whole story is hogwash, that chick is currently serving prison sentence here in Serbia for whatever and couldn't physically be in Ukraine

    Also, that's not her in the photo

    Ukrops figured out that sending bomb threats to Serbian schools is not working so they are trying some other retarded move now?



    Exactly. But it also worries me that Serbian gov is arresting volunteers. Is that true or another BS?

    Team Ukraine is onto you, expect more provocations from them. Serbians and Hungarians getting some unwarranted hate

    Such mercenaries involve their original country once captured. Look at those english and morroccan guys that need UK nad Morrocco to save them.

    I think it is a good thing they don't let them go fight in Ukraine. If they want it so much, take the citizenship of the country you fight for and you will be ok.
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    Post  Serberus Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:30 am

    Regular wrote:

    Exactly. But it also worries me that Serbian gov is arresting volunteers. Is that true or another BS?

    Team Ukraine is onto you, expect more provocations from them. Serbians and Hungarians getting some unwarranted hate

    This is nothing new, Serbian law forbids its citizens from fighting in foreign conflicts with a possible jail sentence of up to 10 years
    A former tv host (i think he had also served in interior ministry) Radomir Počuča, was also jailed after fighting for DNR in the initial conflict, I believe he made a plea deal and served a year or so.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:58 am

    Mir wrote:
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    A dream come true for a cross dresser! Laughing

    Strange picture. I may be wrong but the 'guy' seems to be braided as a 3* Admiral but there are very few medals. Maybe its due to the badges that are there normally being sited around 4" or 100mm lower Laughing

    I think that the woman is the new White House spokesperson.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:16 am

    As for the Severodonets crossing we still don't know what happened there and how many casualties each side took - so there's nothing much to show-up

    They are getting their fantasy views in right now while the facts are not known so they can pretend anything they want... no point in talking about it later when we know what happened and they can't just make shit up about the millions of men the Russians lost there or the thousands of tanks...

    Reminds me of the movie "Sixth Sense": I can see dead people

    Zelensky might be dressing casual so he appears to be one of the people, but when he meets foreigners it makes him look like some lowly worker in a plant that has won worker of the month or something... it is clear who the bosses are and who is the "worker".

    How can VKS suppress the coastal missile batteries of Odessa?

    Subsonic low flying anti ship missiles should be shot down,,,, coastal batteries will likely be positioned next to civilian targets so attempts to hit them can be made to look like hits on civil targets.

    Perhaps the solution is to destroy their current grain crops in the fields... a few incendiary bombs to start fires would do it.

    In a lot of footage in this war, helicopters and su 25's are shown shooting missiles upward by 10-20 degrees. How does that work ?

    It seems the navigation bombing system that allows dropping dumb bombs from 10km altitude with the accuracy comparable to guided bombs also works with unguided rockets so using the aircrafts current location and the location of an area target as you approach the area to be targeted you can raise the nose of your helicopter or aircraft and pull the launch trigger and the rockets will be fired when the computer calculates the right angle for that rocket type.

    Can't be used for point targets like an individual vehicle, but a group of enemy moving through a forest then lofted rockets will come in at a steeper angle and be less likely to hit branches or trees on their way to target... and the spread will ensure lots of fragments everywhere...

    Most numerous generations available are 45-65. Obviously, majority of these people can't really fight wars anymore.

    Or recognise a suicide mission when they see it and are likely to shoot the leadership sending them on these missions rather than getting killed by Russian artillery or Nazi forces on their own side not allowing one step backwards...

    imho must be something like Gefest for unguided missiles too.

    It is a ballistics navigation attack system... it makes sense it works with unguided rockets as well as unguided bombs...

    Obivously it would be used for area targets with unguided rockets much like Grad would be used... it is the same principle except the calcuations are done in real time.

    These are rockets and not missiles but nevertheless

    Gefest & T is a ballistics navigation attack system that does not work with guided weapons normally though it should make guided weapons more accurate too simply by dropping them on a good line to hit the target.

    Well basically a flying MLRS, to saturate an area not for precision strike.

    Used with the attack system of the aircraft in this case... rockets are used against area targets for which this would be accurate enough... sometimes direct fire rockets don't have a good enough spread to hit a wide area target efficiently... lofting the rockets without computer help increased the spread, but with computer assistance it should be more on target.

    Put 8 fab-500 on 100 su-24 and storm them in 1 night.

    One big air attack would destroy ukrainian defences easily.

    Have heard that before... one big attack on Monte Casino or Stalingrad or London or Berlin and it will be all over... but it never is...

    The armor on those t-62 seems to have been widely upgraded.

    Same BDD armour kits they went into Afghanistan with in the 1980s by the look of it... but probably with tank gun fired ATGMs too though.

    Artillery guns and lowly protected small ships are OUT

    These patrol boats are not intended for war, it is the miss use of these boats that is the problem because they don't have any bigger boats better suited.

    Getting rid of the guns and adding air defence missiles might make them useful till the middle of next year but after that they will be very useless patrol boats because you can't fire warning shots with SAMs.

    So it is probably GEFEST and you can select the type of ammo. It detects angle, velocity and heading and tells you when to light it up.

    More likely you select the weapon and the target area and the number of rockets to be fired and then you pull the trigger and pull back the stick... when the angle reaches the launch angle the rockets would be fired automatically for best accuracy... the beep will tell the pilot they are being launched on target.

    No. This is a real war. And ships are going to be hit. My problem with Russia is the lack of retribution on the battlefield

    Kiev could care less how many men they lose... look at how many troops they are losing every day, but as hinted by many in power... if Kiev wants to escalate with attacks on Belarus or Russia or the Crimean bridge then a decapitation strike to eliminate Zelensky and see what the next guy in line wants to agree to might be a good move.

    I think that the woman is the new White House spokesperson.

    Surprised they haven't changed that.... White House... so racist.... just because it is a house and it is white you can't go calling it a white house because that is obviously racist...

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:
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    caveat emptor wrote:Say 🧀

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    A dream come true for a cross dresser! Laughing

    Strange picture. I may be wrong but the 'guy' seems to be braided as a 3* Admiral but there are very few medals. Maybe its due to the badges that are there normally being sited around 4" or 100mm lower Laughing

    I think that the woman is the new White House spokesperson.

    These LGBWTF people are a for real addition to the Biden Administration.
    Yes the gal to the right is the new WH spokesperson.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:02 pm

    This is a big jump up from a TB-2. I have yet to see any information on the transfer to Ukraine of the control and data transfer systems to Ukraine, which would presumably remain under US command and maybe manning.

    The US Grey Eagle sale to Ukraine has been 'paused' due to concerns over potential potential capture of advanced technology by the Russians.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-drone-sale-ukraine-hits-snag-sources-2022-06-17/

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:30 pm

    Wait did I see Ark say not to post stuff without proof lol.....

    Funny how you demand proof when its negative to the russians but make up tons of BS statements and provide no proof against Ukraine.

    Dam hypocrisy is alive and well ain't it
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:55 pm

    Anyone able to find the original quote?

    AZ OSINT
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    🔥 Lost 50%: The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the first time announced the figures of losses of the Armed Forces in equipment during the war.

    "We lost about 50%. This is about 1300 infantry fighting vehicles, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems,"

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:56 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Lithuania has started a blockade of rail connections with Kaliningrad
    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1537905016748445700?t=TcvfnzXhvkX4pRWqcV_vlg&s=19

    That would be a good reason to start WWIII Neutral  

    Why?
    Everything can be delivered by the sea.
    That would be a good reason to stop the electricity supply, at most.

    Exactly.
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    A few ferries like this one plus good ol´ freighters and tankers and Kaliningrad will be fine.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Anyone able to find the original quote?

    AZ OSINT
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    🔥 Lost 50%: The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the first time announced the figures of losses of the Armed Forces in equipment during the war.

    "We lost about 50%. This is about 1300 infantry fighting vehicles, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems,"

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat Jun 18, 2022 1:57 pm

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air and ground weapons in the areas of Kremenchug and Lisichansk have destroyed technological facilities for oil refining and fuel storage intended to supply Ukrainian military equipment in Donbass.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 12 firing positions of AFU artillery and mortar units, including 4 platoons of Grad multiple-launch rocket systems near Avdeevka, Keramik and Zhelannoe and 4 platoons of M777 155-mm howitzers near Lastochkino, Ochertino, Vodyanoe and Zhelannoye in Donetsk People's Republic.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 62 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 160 nationalists, 1 Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile system near Kamyshevakha in Lugansk People's Republic, 5 Grad multiple rocket launcher vehicles, 6 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 8 field artillery guns, 6 special-purpose vehicles and 3 ammunition depots near Tsapovka in Kharkov Region and Lisichansk in Lugansk People's Republic.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft near Kamyshevakha and 1 Mi-24 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force near Arkhangelsk in Donetsk People's Republic.

    ▫Also 8 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Borovenka in Lugansk People's Republic, Chernobaivka in Kherson Region, Sukhaya Kamenka, Malaya Kamyshevakha, Zabavnoe in Kharkov Region, and Gulyaipole in Zaporozhye Region, including 1 Bayraktar-TB2 near Kherson.

    In addition, 4 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been intercepted naer Stakhanov, Kalinovo, Almaznoe in Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 24 Uragan multiple-launch rockets over Donetsk, Yasynuvataya, Verhnetoretskoe, Luganskoe, Novoaleksandrovka in Donetsk People's Republic, Zolotoe, Popasnaya in Lugansk People's Republic, Izium, Russkie Tishki and Malye Prokhody in Kharkov Region.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 180 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 16 command posts and 32 firing positions of AFU artillery units.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 310 nationalists, 10 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, 3 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 9 field artillery mounts and 14 special vehicles.

    📊In total, 206 Ukrainian airplanes and 132 helicopters, 1,241 unmanned aerial vehicles, 343 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,613 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 547 multiple launch rocket systems, 2,032 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,687 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 18, 2022 2:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This is a big jump up from a TB-2. I have yet to see any information on the transfer to Ukraine of the control and data transfer systems to Ukraine, which would presumably remain under US command and maybe manning.

    The US Grey Eagle sale to Ukraine has been 'paused' due to concerns over potential potential capture of advanced technology by the Russians.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-drone-sale-ukraine-hits-snag-sources-2022-06-17/

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    Tb2 has better survivability than this against Russia with a small rcs and low speed making it hard to detect.

    This drone is the size of a f-16, rcs of a f-16 and speed of an-2. Pretty easy to destroy with buk and pantsirs.

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