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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:46 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    They traded away someone of little value and in return got someone of little value
    It's not a win it's not a loss.
    It's not an under the table deal, it's similar to the POW exchanges that have taken place throughout the course of the war so far
    Let the Ukraine have this woman. Like I said if she was let go, then there's not too much to actually charge her with anyway, despite her infamy. In practice she was in charge of some medical section in Azov, and taught others first aid. Who needs her?

    I will just remind you of the Sawczenko case.
    Wide and public criticism after she was released from jail, turned out to be a troll masterplan.
    She was actively fighting the Ukro regime of Porky with all her strength, two hands, and a big mouth.
    The bitch we talk about now is an exile and remain of Azov, that was placed there for slaughter.
    Didn't get any practical help, and was ordered to resist when that was already irrelevant.
    How much love she will present towards Zielenski regime, who wants to bet?

    Mir wrote:[

    I think South Korea also fields this version so maybe they can twist a few arms over there?

    Back in 2021, there were some loud rumors of big delays with deliveries for Taiwan, caused both technical and political.
    And being Korea, giving it away would be the last thing considered Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:55 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Impact of the hypersonic Kinzhal missile

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1538246067262832643

    No words to describe this, it looks like a tactical nuclear explosion

    Looks like a bad fake

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:30 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Impact of the hypersonic Kinzhal missile

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1538246067262832643

    No words to describe this, it looks like a tactical nuclear explosion

    Looks like a bad fake
    It had me until I thought how did an American happen to be filming in the middle of Ukraine with his camera pointing in the right direction at the right moment?

    I liked it as it was a pretty impressive explosion Smile
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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:11 pm

    diabetus wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief

    American private companies are collecting visual and radar data for the Ukrainian forces, the head of the Russian Space Agency claimed

    That's a big problem

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

    This "private companies" rely on taxpayer money. They were created by NASA, the miliary and "intelligence" agencies together with some Oligarchs to
    fool politicians and the public.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    She was captured by the DNR and was featured in a video

    If they let her go then it's also for someone of symbolic value but not too much practical value (yeah like that son of the Chechen politician) and they don't have anything serious to pin on her anyway
    That's not the point bro and you know it. Fucking Bezsonov even tried to sell it like a win, that they got someone really valuable for it.
    The way it was done reeks off under the table deal. And in the middle of the war. It doesn't seat well with ordinary people.
    Second, one more propaganda win for Ukraine. You don't want your guy to look for info in that cesspool, do you?
    Because, you first don't say shit and then try to lie.

    They traded away someone of little value and in return got someone of little value

    It's not a win it's not a loss.

    It's not an under the table deal, it's similar to the POW exchanges that have taken place throughout the course of the war so far

    Let the Ukraine have this woman. Like I said if she was let go, then there's not too much to actually charge her with anyway, despite her infamy. In practice she was in charge of some medical section in Azov, and taught others first aid. Who needs her?

    There it is again, the "win" for the Nazis in fantasyland. Meanwhile in the real world the Nazis lost another 100+ fighters while you guys had that exchange. thumbsup

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    Post  Hole Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:15 pm

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    What that western dude doesn´t get: there is no communication because most of it is being jammed. They can only launch 3 mortar rounds because there is no ammunition (depots being destroyed). There are soldiers who never used grenade launchers because there are no trained men anymore.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:56 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Impact of the hypersonic Kinzhal missile

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1538246067262832643

    No words to describe this, it looks like a tactical nuclear explosion

    Its very clearly VFX.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:01 pm

    When I meant space, I didn't mean in the VLS, but elsewhere on the vessel. SOSNA R has been deployed on a MTLB chassis pantsir a bit bigger system on a truck. Correct me if I am wrong but these two systems are cheaper than TOR.

    Very true, but the SOSNA R missiles are essentially command guided until the solid rocket booster burns out and they they are laser beam riding missiles which need to be pointed at the target for launch... no radar is requires so it is a low EM system that would be difficult to defeat but on any ship you would need at least two systems... one facing forwards and one facing backwards to cover 360 degree angles of approach, and in heavy weather like fog or mist it might have some trouble guiding missiles against low flying targets because of the laser beam link.

    No radar so much cheaper but EO systems are sophisticated so not super cheap to buy, but the missiles are relatively cheap with no expensive ARH or IIR sensors so it is cheap to use.

    Naval Pantsir includes missile reloads with an under deck mechanism that takes up at least the deck below the launcher and its radar and optics are not free either, but again command guided missiles with no expensive bits so cheap to use.

    The issue with TOR was its 3D radar systems which were very sophisticated and capable and also big and bulky and troublesome too... the Udaloy class destroyer sailed for years before the sensor arrays were mounted and the system became operational... it is the smallest ship that carries the system...

    The thing is that the new ships with AESA radar antenna arrays for search and tracking duplicates the system for the TOR missile, so if they have a new version that uses the ships radar for finding targets and engaging them then you just need launch bins with the missiles and being vertically launched you can fit them any where on deck and launch them in any direction which is a huge benefit.

    With the new missiles used currently in the land based TOR they are compact and very accurate and effective, while being command guided missiles that are cheap but also very effective.... they are designed to shoot down anything from artillery shells and artillery rockets to free fall bombs and missiles.

    The new smaller missiles for anti drone use will mean even more flexibility and usefulness and low cost operation.

    For very small boats a Gibka mount has been shown equipped with ATGMs like Ataka, so fitting it with Kornet-EM or Bulat should be easy too which would be very good for shooting down drones too, but TOR... even in its old 1980s version would make very short work of any target it could see and using main mast AESA radar arrays it would see much further and better than most SAM systems available.

    To be clear the TOR electronics and radar are expensive because they were absolutely state of the art when they entered service, but that is why they are so capable and the missiles are cheap but very capable too... an excellent combination... but as I keep mentioning the electronics needed to get them to work are big and bulky... look at a photo of the Kuznetsov and the four radar systems located in each four corners of the main island to direct the TOR missiles dominate the view... 192 KLINTOK missiles ready to fire... the equivalent of 6 TOR vehicles sitting on each of the four corners of the deck with 8 missiles in each.

    Just upgrading to the current missiles would double the number of ready to fire missiles to 384 without any tricks or cheating, and the new anti drone missiles are supposed to be even smaller but shorter ranged... and cheap.

    The U.S government said they are sending HARPOON coastal defence systems to Ukraine. I didn't know that a coastal missile battery of the Harpoon exists.

    Another escalation to try to trigger Russia... perhaps Russia needs to hit locations in the Ukraine they know are occupied by US stooges they have refrained from hitting up until now out of diplomacy...

    I liked it as it was a pretty impressive explosion

    The explosion looked too close to where the suggested point of impact was... besides a fireball that big would have knocked the guy with the camera on his arse and burned him up...

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:12 pm

    ⚡Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (June 19, 2022)

    ▫Offensive towards Severodonetsk is being successfully developed. Units of People's Militia of the Lugansk People's Republic supported by the Russian Federation Armed Forces have liberated the settlement of Metyolkino.

    ▫Several units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) are abandoning the operation area due to low moral and psychological condition, as well as lack of munitions and logistic supply. Thus, a plattoon of the 1st company of the 1st battalion from the 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade that had been defending near Lisichansk left heavy armament and abandoned its position.

    ▫Russian Federation Armed Forces continue launching attacks at military facilities located in Ukraine.

    💥At 12.30 PM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance sea-based missiles were launched at a command post of the Ukrainian troops near the village of Shirokaya Dacha (Dnepropetrovsk region) at the moment when there was being held a working meeting of the commanders of Aleksandriya operational-strategic group.

    ▫The attack has resulted in eliminating more than 50 generals and officers of the AFU, including those of the General Staff, the Kakhovka group, airborne assault troops and units that operate towards Nikolayev and Zaporozhye.

    ▫At 08.20 AM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance missiles destroyed 10 M777 155-mm howitzers and up to 20 armoured combat vehicles delivered by the West to the Kiev regime over the past 10 days that were located in a transformer plant in Nikolayev.

    💥At 07.20 AM, high-precision air-based missiles neutralised an echelon of personnel, armament and military equipment of the 1st battalion from the 14th Independent Mechanised Brigade that arrived from Vladimir-Volynskiy to the operation area in Donbass.

    ▫The attack at the disembarkment point near Gubinikha railway station (Dnepropetrovsk region) has resulted in eliminating more than 100 servicemen of the AFU, 30 tanks and armoured combat vehicles.

    ▫At 02.05 AM, the AFU 56th Mechanised Infantry Brigade manpower and military equipment have been neutralised near Selidovo (Donetsk People's Republic). The attack has resulted in the elimination of up to 20 militants, including foreign mercenaries that formed part of the abovementioned brigade, as well as 2 combat vehicles equipped with Grad multiple rocket-launching system, 10 infantry combat vehicles and armoured personnel carriers.

    ▫7 Grad system plattoons and 1 artillery plattoon have been neutralised at their firing positions towards Donetsk within counter-battery warfare.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have destroyed 4 artillery missile and munitions depots near Maksimilyanovka, Avdeyevka, Zelyonoye Pole and Georgiyevka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as 1 launching ramp of Buk-M1 air defence missile system near Seversk (Lugansk People's Republic).

    💥Missile troops and artillery have neutralised 22 command posts, 48 artillery units at their firing positions, the AFU manpower and military equipment in 123 areas.

    ▫An attack launched by Iskander operational-tactical missile system at Kharkov tank reparation plant has resulted in destroying 2 launching ramps of Uragan multiple rocket-launching system.

    ▫Ukrainian Armed Forces suffer considerable losses caused by counter-battery warfare. A serviceman from the 22nd Mechanised Infantry Brigade of the AFU captured near Peremoga has told that the artillery units involved in operation towards Kharkov had lost 380 servicemen, including 90 who resulted dead over the past 10 days.

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    ⚡Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (June 19, 2022)

    💥Attacks launched by aviation, missile troops and artillery over the past 24 hours have resulted in eliminating more than 400 nationalists, 10 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 11 field artillery mounts, 11 launching ramps of multiple rocket-launching systems and 28 special vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence troops have shot down 1 Su-25 airplane of the Ukrainian Air Force near Chervonnaya Dolina (Nikolayev region).

    ▫In addition, 8 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Zavody, Chervonniy Shakhtyor, Dementiyevka, Glubokoye (Kharkov region), Krinitsa (Kherson region), Popasnaya (Lugansk People's Republic) and near the Snake Island.

    ▫3 Tochka-U tactical missiles have been intercepted near Novozvanovka and Novoaleksandrovka (Lugansk People's Republic), 2 projectiles launched by Uragan multiple rocket-launching system near Bolshiye Prokhody (Kharkov region) and Chervonnaya Dolina (Nikolayev region).

    📊In total, 207 airplanes and 132 helicopters, 1,249 unmanned aerial vehicles, 344 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,683 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 562 combat vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 2,043 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 3,715 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

    ❗Big losses of the AFU in manpower force the Ukrainian command to involve unprepared personnel in combats, despite their lack of necessary skills in using armament and military equipment.

    ▫At 01.30 PM, 2 Su-25 assault fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force launched an attack at the positions of its units near Shirokoye (Dnepropetrovsk region).

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:49 pm

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    „Kaliber" missiles struck a decision making center of the Ukrainian troops in the Dnepropetrovsk region, killed more than 50 generals and officers

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:56 pm

    The hype over the Harpoon is yet more posturing BS from NATzO.   They want to actually create a truck based ground launching
    system.   Some claim this can be done in less than a year.    Will the Kiev regime be around fighting in a year?

    Note also the "game changer" inanity. As if some subsonic anti-ship missile is too much for Russia to handle.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:06 pm

    Harpoon does not add any capability they didn't already have with Neptune... the Orc version of the Uran Kh-35... a low flying radar guided anti ship missile.

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:20 pm

    Ground based harpoons already exists and were given to Ukraine. US however doesn't use it.

    Harpoon doesn't any capability over Neptune but it add numbers. Neptune were available in very few numbers. Harpoon will be available in more numbers. Even 10 will be enough to sink a good amount of unprotected ships.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:23 pm

    Has been Russia trying to "overstretch" the West in Ukraine, misleading them to commit themselves to ever bigger weapon shipments which they can effectively destroy in case they so wish?

    We speculated about this previously, and data from today suggest they can do much more in terms of interdiction that had been doing lately. Among the picks of the day:

    - 70 pieces or armor
    - high level meeting with 50+ killed officers
    - 10 M777
    - 500+ servicemen
    - Big number of attacks on refineries, oil depots, weapon storages, tank repair facilities etc...

    We need to see whether today was just a good hunting day or evidence of a new trend. In any case, these levels of attrition cannot be handled by Ukraine even with the help of the West and it is not difficult to imagine that the demoralization of the ukie military cannot keep raising without consequences.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:53 pm

    LMFS wrote:...We speculated about this previously, and data from today suggest they can do much more in terms of interdiction that had been doing lately. Among the picks of the day:

    - 70 pieces or armor
    - high level meeting with 50+ killed officers
    - 10 M777
    - 500+ servicemen
    - Big number of attacks on refineries, oil depots, weapon storages, tank repair facilities etc...

    These are the only ones that matter, destroying equipment officers is pointless because they will immediately be replaced

    Killing personnel in maximum possible numbers is the only path towards victory and achieving long term peace afterwards



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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:56 pm

    Isos wrote:Ground based harpoons already exists and were given to Ukraine. US however doesn't use it.

    Harpoon doesn't any capability over Neptune but it add numbers. Neptune were available in very few numbers. Harpoon will be available in more numbers. Even 10 will be enough to sink a good amount of unprotected ships.

    They way Russian Navy uses it's surface fleet every single warship qualifies as unprotected ship



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