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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:02 am


    This is some good news for Russia shopping centers and jobs.
    Apparently China found a way to increase their presence in Russia economy , by buying out ,many of
    those business that left Russia under sanctions, then rebrand them , but continue operating with the same merchandize. lol1



    So this is huge news for Russia. Either China will be now helping Europe to bypass sanctions , by buying the physical retail stores of western business and its merchandize , and become a direct
    distributor of US and European clothing business. or perhaps ,they will start to reverse engineer those products and resell them , in the same retail stores , the west owned.

    I don't think this is what the west was planning to happen at all.. Is a major blowback to western
    sanctions , because China now take over over many western business ,specially in clothing ,and so the products will continue being sold in Russia , even after sanctions. And as a bonus this will significantly help restore many of t he loss jobs in Russia and now China increase its business footprint in Russia. no doubt a win/win for Russia and china. Unfortunately this tactics will not always work , specially with advance technology.

    What is also interesting about this report , is that it is made by a doom and end of world brainwashed young girl , who was in panic for western sanctions , but now she see that perhaps ,
    things will not be as bad as she believed. Mc Donalds after leaving Russia , is now opening again ,but under a new modified name. So in the clothing stores and food stores , there will be a ton of jobs saved by this new unexpected business tactics.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:06 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    She was captured by the DNR and was featured in a video

    If they let her go then it's also for someone of symbolic value but not too much practical value (yeah like that son of the Chechen politician) and they don't have anything serious to pin on her anyway
    That's not the point bro and you know it. Fucking Bezsonov even tried to sell it like a win, that they got someone really valuable for it.
    The way it was done reeks off under the table deal. And in the middle of the war. It doesn't seat well with ordinary people.
    Second, one more propaganda win for Ukraine. You don't want your guy to look for info in that cesspool, do you?
    Because, you first don't say shit and then try to lie.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:15 am

    Backman wrote:^ I remember asking why they paint the lower hull of these boats black. Its something to do with the exhaust.

    I asked the question as well. Most western warships put their exhaust gas out via funnels. The Russian ships with the black paintwork have their exhausts just above the waterline. That colour paint is used to mask the exhaust stain on the side of the ship.
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    Post  limb Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:40 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Murz says he is a LPR fighter, unconfirmed but probable

    Murz is a doomer. Kind of like Strelkov became. With that said, there can be valid objections made to performance and strategy of Russian army, especially, at the beginning of operation when they took sizeable losses. I believe that after the war, analysis will show that Russian either had wrong assessment of Ukrainian army battle readiness and moral or they disregarded them. There's no other way to explain some of the actions they took at the end of February and in March.

    I am very close to disregarding everything he says simply based on the fact that he claims russia lost most of its T-72B3s(which he erroneously calls T-72BMs, which further removes credibility) and T-90s. Hes basically parroting oryx bullshit x5. Not even oryx has claimed such bullshit, and this brings teh question of how could russia lose all of its modern tank park if it committed only 20% of forces? If he's an LPR fighter, how does he know the nukber of tanks and IFVs in russian units?

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:54 am

    limb wrote:

    I am very close to disregarding everything he says simply based on the fact that he claims russia lost most of its T-72B3s(which he erroneously calls T-72BMs, which further removes credibility) and T-90s. Hes basically parroting oryx bullshit x5. Not even oryx has claimed such bullshit, and this brings teh question of how could russia lose all of its modern tank park if it committed only 20% of forces? If he's an LPR fighter, how does he know the nukber of tanks and IFVs in russian units?
    I agree. There's no way in hell that he has any of that info.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:This is a big jump up from a TB-2. I have yet to see any information on the transfer to Ukraine of the control and data transfer systems to Ukraine, which would presumably remain under US command and maybe manning.

    The US Grey Eagle sale to Ukraine has been 'paused' due to concerns over potential potential capture of advanced technology by the Russians.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-drone-sale-ukraine-hits-snag-sources-2022-06-17/

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    More like the US knows that their drones won't last any longer than Turdkish TB-2s when pitted against the Russian IADS. Murkans had a hissy fit when Iran shot down a Global Hawk over the Persian Gulf, what sort of gaskets will they blow when the Ukrainian landscape becomes dotted with craters with mutilated debris stencilled "Made in USA"? Razz

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:28 am

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    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Isos wrote:Damaged Buyan-M tuged out of Black sea after damages.


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    Are these holes from splinter damage or is that a pic of ship being transported for repairs

    Lot of rumors going around
    As noted so often. This ship needs TOR. The ship that gets at the end of the construction with PanzirM is not sufficiently protected. The war clearly shows this. No protection without a TOR.

    Please dear Ministry of Defense, installed on the small rockets boats 16xTOR. 8x long, 8x short. the also results in better fleet protection.

    If there isn't space for TOR, surely they could find space for SOSNA R or pantsir that would be just as effective and cheaper and would take up less room.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:44 am

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:As noted so often. This ship needs TOR. The ship that gets at the end of the construction with PanzirM is not sufficiently protected. The war clearly shows this. No protection without a TOR.

    Please dear Ministry of Defense, installed on the small rockets boats 16xTOR. 8x long, 8x short. the also results in better fleet protection.

    I think that reality is more nuanced.   Being a VLS missile-only system, Tor is compact, and as it lacks a heavy rotating mechanism it doesn't require a robust pedestal to operate from.  It therefore lends itself well to deploying as a bolt-on module ie Tor-M2KM.  

    Naval Pantsir however includes autocannons, and is generally more useful for a small missile corvette than Tor. It would a reasonably straight-forward swap for the AK-630M2 on the Proj 21631.  The fact that Pantsir is slated for the serial Karakurts tends to support this view.  Tor-M2KM will probably be limited to deploying on auxiliaries in times of war, or for beefing up patrol-boats or coastguards where a specific mission(s) calls for such.

    AFAIK there is no significant difference between the combat effectiveness of TOR and Pantsir?  This is a general opinion, not backed by any actual data, so would be interesting to know what others believe (or know)?

    Edit: I've yet to see a Karakurt actually sporting Pantsir missiles, all pics I've seen this far only have autocannons. Anyone know if the Karakurts will be gun-only, ie a modernised version of Kortik as opposed to Kashtan?

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:04 am

    Odintsovo was a first one to get Pantsir-M. I'm not sure if earlier ships will get it. There was some talk some might get Sosna-R, as well.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:49 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    I think we will see another incursion by the combines arms armies of Russia, but it will be later in the game

    Yes, and IMHO that is what many people seem to be missing, even the better-informed analysts here in the West. The general assumption seems to be that when Russia finally breaks Ukropi resistance in Donbass the forces in that theatre will sweep westwards and possibly encounter new lines of defense at the Dnepr, yet Russia started this police action by multiple armoured incursions towards Kiev, Kharkov and Chernigov/Sumy. I'm thinking that this will be repeated once the Banderite forces morale is at a low ebb and their capacity to resist is sufficiently weakened, ie when a true shock and awe spear thrust plunging deep and going for the regimes heart might actually lead to a complete collapse of the enemies authority.

    I'm thinking that the relatively small Russian force footprint is intended to give the Ukrops some glimmer of hope that they can prevail so that they will fully mobilise their manpower and throw everything into defending their conquests in Donbass. Meanwhile Russia grinds the Ukrop military into red paste and depletes their manpower reserves. It will take time, but eventually the Ukrop will reach the state of Germany 1918, and it won't take 4 years of deliberate attrition warfare to get them to that stage. Once they show the signs of imminent collapse, Russia will put the pedal to the metal and this time the interdictions will be for keeps.

    Well, I'm just an armchair general, so what do i really know Laughing I'll just be content to see a total Russian victory however it comes - military, economic, financial, political, cultural, social. Take down the Ukropistan regime, deliver a crushing and far-reaching geopolitical defeat to its Western backers, and eliminate all traces of the Banderite mind-virus once and for all. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:00 am

    Hole wrote:Like I said, the western elites believe their own shit.
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    ..and now, the western elites will eat their own shit. Razz

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:01 am

    West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief

    American private companies are collecting visual and radar data for the Ukrainian forces, the head of the Russian Space Agency claimed

    That's a big problem

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    Post  diabetus Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:02 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief

    American private companies are collecting visual and radar data for the Ukrainian forces, the head of the Russian Space Agency claimed

    That's a big problem

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:40 am

    Impact of the hypersonic Kinzhal missile

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1538246067262832643

    No words to describe this, it looks like a tactical nuclear explosion

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:06 am

    If there isn't space for TOR, surely they could find space for SOSNA R or pantsir that would be just as effective and cheaper and would take up less room.

    If there were no space for TOR they would not be testing it on these vessels.

    The new model Naval TOR separates the turret and search and tracking radar from the launch tubes, which has the potential to use the fixed AESA arrays on the bigger ships for search and tracking functions and just place vertical launch units around the place bolted to the deck and wired in to the power...

    In comparison that would make it even easier to integrate than Pantsir and Sosna, each of which are two stage missiles that cannot easily be vertically launched.

    It therefore lends itself well to deploying as a bolt-on module ie Tor-M2KM.

    It is unlikely the final system would use what they are tying down on the helicopter pad because it cannot detect targets to the front of the ship.

    Using the ships main search and tracking radars would enable 360 degree view and with better low altitude performance than a set of radar located closer to the deck.

    That would mean that in addition to AESA radar on the smaller ships (which would be beneficial anyway in terms of SA and AESA radar module production numbers) you could just bolt vertical launch mounts on any free space on the decks.

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

    The American government will already be sharing information... they will just pretend it came from private companies to cover their arses...

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:23 am

    No words to describe this, it looks like a tactical nuclear explosion

    Looks like video editing to me... the missile didn't come in fast enough and the explosion is too big for the distance away it appears to be.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:24 am

    GarryB wrote:
    If there isn't space for TOR, surely they could find space for SOSNA R or pantsir that would be just as effective and cheaper and would take up less room.

    If there were no space for TOR they would not be testing it on these vessels.

    The new model Naval TOR separates the turret and search and tracking radar from the launch tubes, which has the potential to use the fixed AESA arrays on the bigger ships for search and tracking functions and just place vertical launch units around the place bolted to the deck and wired in to the power...

    In comparison that would make it even easier to integrate than Pantsir and Sosna, each of which are two stage missiles that cannot easily be vertically launched.

    It therefore lends itself well to deploying as a bolt-on module ie Tor-M2KM.  

    It is unlikely the final system would use what they are tying down on the helicopter pad because it cannot detect targets to the front of the ship.

    Using the ships main search and tracking radars would enable 360 degree view and with better low altitude performance than a set of radar located closer to the deck.

    That would mean that in addition to AESA radar on the smaller ships (which would be beneficial anyway in terms of SA and AESA radar module production numbers) you could just bolt vertical launch mounts on any free space on the decks.

    It's a shame similar companies didn't really take off in Russia.

    The American government will already be sharing information... they will just pretend it came from private companies to cover their arses...


    When I meant space, I didn't mean in the VLS, but elsewhere on the vessel. SOSNA R has been deployed on a MTLB chassis pantsir a bit bigger system on a truck. Correct me if I am wrong but these two systems are cheaper than TOR.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:29 am

    The Lithuanians have blocked the railway to kaliningrad

    The governor has said it is illegal

    Well sure the resupply can take place by sea, but this is a reason why Russian forces cannot be in Kiev right now

    It's important to watch NATO and the provocations they will attempt on the border

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:45 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:West ‘moving towards war’ in space – Roscosmos chief

    American private companies are collecting visual and radar data for the Ukrainian forces, the head of the Russian Space Agency claimed

    That's a big problem

    It's been like that for a while. Maxar etc. The most disturbing one is there are company out there actually offers ESM Satellite service. yes ESM. Which would mean it can pick S-300 system emmission from the space.

    It's been a wonderful source of information. Problem is despite availability of that, there is still retard "institution" called ISW which for some reason rely on Telgram to make their reports. like i wonder why this "institute" seems to not well funded enough to afford Maxar imageries.
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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:43 am

    The U.S government said they are sending HARPOON coastal defence systems to Ukraine. I didn't know that a coastal missile battery of the Harpoon exists.

    Either way, it's not going to help the Ukrainians beyond a certain point now that Russia has bulked up its SAM deployment both on land and sea.
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    Post  RTN Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:16 am

    Mir wrote:Close but it does go a bit wider than "Israel". The Khazarian Mafia is a much more precise description.
    How...? It's a Zionist mafia group controlled exclusively by the state of lsrael. They are also playing a role in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:20 am

    It does, but that is nothing new.
    Danes already provided its own supply of land-based Harpoons to 404, it was officially confirmed by Reznikow some 2 weeks ago.
    Along with the regular load of bullshit about how it will make the Black Sea open for grain export now. I guess the mines those crazy Hohols planted are not a problem, one can always find a suicide squad to man the ship, right?
    The catch here is, that the US does not have the land-based Harpoon system available to be shipped, it needs to be built first. What does it mean in practice, we all know.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:33 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    She was captured by the DNR and was featured in a video

    If they let her go then it's also for someone of symbolic value but not too much practical value (yeah like that son of the Chechen politician) and they don't have anything serious to pin on her anyway
    That's not the point bro and you know it. Fucking Bezsonov even tried to sell it like a win, that they got someone really valuable for it.
    The way it was done reeks off under the table deal. And in the middle of the war. It doesn't seat well with ordinary people.
    Second, one more propaganda win for Ukraine. You don't want your guy to look for info in that cesspool, do you?
    Because, you first don't say shit and then try to lie.

    They traded away someone of little value and in return got someone of little value

    It's not a win it's not a loss.

    It's not an under the table deal, it's similar to the POW exchanges that have taken place throughout the course of the war so far

    Let the Ukraine have this woman. Like I said if she was let go, then there's not too much to actually charge her with anyway, despite her infamy. In practice she was in charge of some medical section in Azov, and taught others first aid. Who needs her?

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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:35 am

    RTN wrote:
    Mir wrote:Close but it does go a bit wider than "Israel". The Khazarian Mafia is a much more precise description.
    How...? It's a Zionist mafia group controlled exclusively by the state of lsrael. They are also playing a role in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

    Not at all. This elite group of people are active all over the world.

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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:41 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    The catch here is, that the US does not have the land-based Harpoon system available to be shipped, it needs to be built first. What does it mean in practice, we all know.

    I think South Korea also fields this version so maybe they can twist a few arms over there?

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