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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:13 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Excuse my ignorance  but who is this guy? Is it an "expert" getting the same internet "insider" knowledge as us, or has he actually been in the thick of it? If he has seen it or heard first hand reliable reports from  colleagues then sometimes what a military needs is scathing remarks. That said in that position you have to be careful talking in public as this is the thickest propaganda battle I've ever witnessed. But still sometimes fiery remarks are what is needed. If the guy is a random assholr then disregard previous remarks.

    And yeah even patrol boats need at least pantsir or be under umbrella of serious air defense/fighter patrols.

    Murz says he is a LPR fighter, unconfirmed but probable
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    It's funny you mention this as I was going to comment about patrol ships

    For example Bykov with CIWS and Tor can travel to a site like Zmeiny , where other AD complexes are located, once arrived Bykov can unload the Tor on its aft helicopter deck/pad to the shore

    And rely on the onshore AD complexes to shield it

    Where it can launch its salvo of Kalibr and recover the TOR complex to return to base after the fire strike mission is complete

    As for the loss of the helicopter, during these kind of missions it is acceptable

    Perhaps it can use a towed sonar cable array to compensate for loss of ASW helicopter

    The cable could be deployed through the transom of the ship

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    It seems to me the space allows for carrying Kalibr in the hull as well as towed sonar


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:18 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    Thanks but who said it and where?

    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/6/15/ukraine-to-us-defense-industry-we-need-long-range-precision-weapons

    Thanks, this is why I needed the links. I put this on UK Defence Journal, a site where I come under constant attack for being a Russian troll who won't condemn Putin's invasion. Very Happy



    Very interesting article of an interview confirming significant Ukrainian hardware losses. Well worth the read.

    “with Denys Sharapov, Ukraine’s deputy minister of the defense in charge of procurement, support for weapons and equipment and Brig. Gen. Volodymyr Karpenko, land forces command logistics commander, spoke with National Defense Editor in Chief Stew Magnuson and other reporters through an interpreter in the Ukraine Ministry of Defense’s booth at the Eurosatory conference in Paris on June 15.”

    “Gen. Karpenko: Regarding the first question, I want to add something to what the deputy minister has said in terms of the need for equipment and armaments. I just want you to understand the intensity of the conflict. While the deputy minister was talking, I drafted some numbers to just show you the intensity of combat along those … kilometers where the combat is most active.

    Think about this: one brigade occupies around 40 kilometers of the fence line. That means that to cover the active combat conflict we need 40 brigades. Every brigade is 100 infantry fighting vehicles, 30 tanks, 54 artillery systems — just for one brigade, and we have 40 of them.

    I’m not going to talk about the anti-tank guided missiles or anti-tank guided weapons for now. I’m just talking about heavy weapons. As of today, we have approximately 30 to 40, sometimes up to 50 percent of losses of equipment as a result of active combat. So, we have lost approximately 50 percent. … Approximately 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles have been lost, 400 tanks, 700 artillery systems.”

    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/6/15/ukraine-to-us-defense-industry-we-need-long-range-precision-weapons

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:23 pm

    Serberus wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:

    Thanks but who said it and where?

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/11183
    🇺🇦⚡The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in equipment during the special operation.

    "We have lost about 50 percent. This is about 1,300 infantry fighting vehicles, 400 tanks and 700 artillery systems," Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Karpenko said in an interview with National Defense

    Demilitarization, love it!

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:37 pm

    RTN wrote:
    That's why Israel is the world's most serious and powerful nation. Israel controls humanity via the ecosystem of food, money, medicine, media & entertainment. Religions are their shield. All of them.

    Every global crisis makes them stronger and stronger

    Close but it does go a bit wider than "Israel". The Khazarian Mafia is a much more precise description.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:41 pm

    TMA1 wrote:
    And yeah even patrol boats need at least pantsir or be under umbrella of serious air defense/fighter patrols.

    Small patrol boats are normally coastal vessels that would enjoy adequate air cover and even from ground based SAM sites.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:51 pm

    Александр Дубьяго, задержанный в мае за демонстрацию российского флага у памятника Освободителям в парке Победы в Риге, освобожден из-под стражи, ему изменили меру пресечения на подписку о невыезде и надзор, сообщила мать Дубьяго.

    "Crimeanprachka"

    Alexander Dubyago was released


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    Free Kiril !

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:55 pm

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    That's a better idea, one carries the KA29 the other one with the Tor

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Murz says he is a LPR fighter, unconfirmed but probable

    Murz is a doomer. Kind of like Strelkov became. With that said, there can be valid objections made to performance and strategy of Russian army, especially, at the beginning of operation when they took sizeable losses. I believe that after the war, analysis will show that Russian either had wrong assessment of Ukrainian army battle readiness and moral or they disregarded them. There's no other way to explain some of the actions they took at the end of February and in March.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:05 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Murz says he is a LPR fighter, unconfirmed but probable

    Murz is a doomer. Kind of like Strelkov became. With that said, there can be valid objections made to performance and strategy of Russian army, especially, at the beginning of operation where they took sizeable losses. I believe that after the war, analysis will show that Russian either had wrong assessment of Ukrainian army battle readiness and moral or they disregarded them. There's no other way to explain some of the actions they took at the end of February and in March.

    It's easy to fall for that kind of lazy analysis

    The more realistic one, is that February and March, we're reconnaissance in force operations

    Not true armored spearheads and occupation or assault operations

    That the LDNR militias tried to storm mariupol and Kharkov is respected

    But the Kievan operation was a recon in force

    They did not even try to hold large territories in the north, they just cut through VSU units and went as far as they could

    But there was no real attempt to fully storm Kiev

    The recon in force was to pin Ukrainian troops down , and destroy their equipment and manpower, and fix and destroy the donetsk grouping

    The same could be said about the Odessa grouping , which due to the Kherson offensive, were not able to assist the Donbass VSU in any meaningful way

    Once the recon in force was done, they left Brovery, Irpen, Bucha, and all the Kievan neighborhoods in 24 hours

    And those forces never again entered Ukraine, going back to Belarus and Russian garrisons

    While minor Russian forces assisted in donbass

    I think we will see another incursion by the combines arms armies of Russia, but it will be later in the game


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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:05 pm

    ^ I remember asking why they paint the lower hull of these boats black. Its something to do with the exhaust.

    Anyway are these the Pacer drone ?

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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:25 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Murz says he is a LPR fighter, unconfirmed but probable

    Murz is a doomer. Kind of like Strelkov became. With that said, there can be valid objections made to performance and strategy of Russian army, especially, at the beginning of operation where they took sizeable losses. I believe that after the war, analysis will show that Russian either had wrong assessment of Ukrainian army battle readiness and moral or they disregarded them. There's no other way to explain some of the actions they took at the end of February and in March.

    Some of it was down to Russia assuming they were dealing with sane and somewhat rational people. They were counting on at least one block in the east or south to take the Crimea option. Negotiations and surrender. They had surrender plans with some of the mayors of these cities set up. But the Ukraine army knew of these plans and had sabotages set up for each move.

    The Russians were greeted as liberators by the population. But the army was fully brainwashed into fighting to a pointless death for the Americans. In a war they could not win.

    The biggest irony of all is that if large blocks of the Ukraine army did surrender, Russia would have had to deal with Ukraine as a unitary state. But by fighting, they scared the population into wanting to join Russia and made Russia spend blood and treasure. Which guarantees that that Ukraine will be broken up and dissolved forever.

    Imagine all of the armies in the east and south did surrender. Would Russia be making these territories a part of Russia now like they are ? Probably not. There'd probably be a Minsk 3 negotiation going on now.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:32 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    It's easy to fall for that kind of lazy analysis

    The more realistic one, is that February and March, we're reconnaissance in force operations

    Not true armored spearheads and occupation or assault operations

    That the LDNR militias tried to storm mariupol and Kharkov.

    But the Kievan operation was a recon in force

    They did not even try to hold large territories in the north, they just cut through VSU units and went as far as they could

    But there was no real attempt to fully storm Kiev

    Not talking about storming of Kiev or any such operation. My main objection, at the moment, was that they organized too long supply lines through Sumy and Chernigov and lost shit ton of people and equipment in the process, via ambushes and artillery traps. Rewind and check videos of tightly packed columns coming under arty shelling and infantry ambushes.
    If you really do live in Arkhangelsk, check map of Ukraine for distance between Russia-Ukr border in Sumy region and Brovary for example.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:36 pm

    Backman wrote:

    Some of it was down to Russia assuming they were dealing with sane and somewhat rational people. They were counting on at least one block in the east or south to take the Crimea option. Negotiations and surrender. They had surrender plans with some of the mayors of these cities set up. But the Ukraine army knew of these plans and had sabotages set up for each move.

    The Russians were greeted as liberators by the population. But the army was fully brainwashed into fighting to a pointless death for the Americans. In  a war they could not win.
    You don't make assumptions in operation of this scale.
    They either had wrong intelligence or HQ and politicians decided to ignore it. I say politicians, as there's no army in the world that's completely immune to political pressure and influence.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:38 pm

    Backman wrote:^ I remember asking why they paint the lower hull of these boats black. Its something to do with the exhaust.

    Anyway are these the Pacer drone ?

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    Yes. Inokhodets is called Pacer in English.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote: I don't understand why LDPR militias don't get new helmets and protection wests from Russians. You can still see people with  SSh-60 and 68 in area of active combats.

    I am astonished at that as well. Basic protection like that is unlikely to be in short supply in the Russian Army and simplistically is a very low cost force multiplier.

    They must be supplying the LDPR with ammo/munitions etc so the logistics are in place.

    Maybe some of the guys want to keep their old and trusted weapons.
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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:20 pm

    Backman wrote:^ I remember asking why they paint the lower hull of these boats black. Its something to do with the exhaust.

    Anyway are these the Pacer drone ?

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    Also known as Orion or Inokhodets.
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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:22 pm

    President Putin at SPIEF in St. Pete, from the MoA website:

    "A direct result of the European politicians’ actions and events this year will be the further growth of inequality in these countries, which will, in turn, split their societies still more, and the point at issue is not only the well-being but also the value orientation of various groups in these societies.
    Indeed, these differences are being suppressed and swept under the rug. Frankly, the democratic procedures and elections in Europe and the forces that come to power look like a front, because almost identical political parties come and go, while deep down things remain the same. The real interests of people and national businesses are being pushed further and further to the periphery.

    Such a disconnect from reality and the demands of society will inevitably lead to a surge in populism and extremist and radical movements, major socioeconomic changes, degradation and a change of elites in the short term. As you can see, traditional parties lose all the time. New entities are coming to the surface, but they have little chance for survival if they are not much different from the existing ones.
    ...
    Incidentally, the Americans have adopted sanctions on our fertilisers, and the Europeans followed suit. Later, the Americans lifted them because they saw what this could lead to. But the Europeans have not backed off. Their bureaucracy is as slow as a flour mill in the 18th century. In other words, everyone knows that they have done a stupid thing, but they find it difficult to retrace their steps for bureaucratic reasons.
    ...
    The very structure of Western sanctions rested on the false premise that economically Russia is not sovereign and is critically vulnerable. They got so carried away spreading the myth of Russia’s backwardness and its weak positions in the global economy and trade that apparently, they started believing it themselves.

    While planning their economic blitzkrieg, they did not notice, simply ignored the real facts of how much our country had changed in the past few years."


    Like I said, the western elites believe their own shit.

    Whole article:
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/ukraine-the-wests-response-as-it-meets-with-reality.html#more

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:45 pm

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    Novomoskovsk, Dnjepropetrovsk region
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:48 pm

    Apparently this Azov "medic" Taira, is free. She was caught while trying to run from Mariupol with two children whose parents were killed. It was never clear if she killed them or they died in fighting. Apparently, someones son was freed for her and some money exchanged hand. Classic ex-SU shady deal. Of course, Ukrainians show this as a victory and Russians keep quiet.



    In the video she thanks Zelensky for getting her home.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:53 pm

    Btw, today was a Kalibr day and many strikes were recorded. Hopefully, finally Kremenchug refinery is finished along with smaller one close to Kharkov and several oil and ammunition depots.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:13 pm

    It looks like that this is the kid Taira was exchanged for.
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    This is 20-year-old Adam Saidov, the son of the deputy representative of Chechnya in Crimea, Murad Saidov. This kid was not even fighting. Pretty disappointing.

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    Post  limb Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:32 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Apparently this Azov "medic" Taira, is free. She was caught while trying to run from Mariupol with two children whose parents were killed. It was never clear if she killed them or they died in fighting. Apparently, someones son was freed for her and some money exchanged hand. Classic ex-SU shady deal. Of course, Ukrainians show this as a victory and Russians keep quiet.



    In the video she thanks Zelensky for getting her home.

    Well at least she's speaking proper Russian. I wonder what they did to her for not speaking the mova.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:40 pm

    She will be captured again in my opinion.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:54 pm


    I guess there's still plenty of bitches among Russian decision makers No

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:55 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Apparently this Azov "medic" Taira, is free. She was caught while trying to run from Mariupol with two children whose parents were killed. It was never clear if she killed them or they died in fighting. Apparently, someones son was freed for her and some money exchanged hand. Classic ex-SU shady deal. Of course, Ukrainians show this as a victory and Russians keep quiet.



    In the video she thanks Zelensky for getting her home.

    She was captured by the DNR and was featured in a video

    If they let her go then it's also for someone of symbolic value but not too much practical value (yeah like that son of the Chechen politician) and they don't have anything serious to pin on her anyway

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