Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

All this artillery, like in WWI

Only thing i can think of is that they're running out of t-64s/spares to give them.

If they are not going to give them away to allies that need armour then what are they going to do with them?

Donets has been absolutely slammed the last 3 days and the Nazis wont stop until they are stopped.

Nazis being Nazis...

They want an over reaction from the Russians so they can claim evil Russians want to kill all Ukrainians...

Why not. Now they can say that the su 57 has seen combat duty in 2 wars.

The actual combat experience would be useful for the development of the aircraft... remember it is supposed to be operated against a HATO force, so refusing to use it in Syria or Ukraine because it might get shot down... well if it gets shot down so easily it needs some serious redesign and upgrading... or it is useless.

I would hardly consider Syria a selling point not like ISIS had real Air Defense Systems to speak off and radars

It is not about sales... it is about testing a weapon system in a real situation with real enemies and real targets in a real combat environment.

Since they don't have a 100% reliabity like any product, if you fire 100 of them you will get some fails. This one is clearly one.

What do you mean fails? They are guided cruise missiles... just because they were all launched at one time does not mean they were all headed for the same target... it would be perfectly normal to launch at multiple different targets that might lead to some missiles heading in unusual directions at launch... I didn't see any explosions or missiles falling into the water... one missile just headed in a different direction from the other missiles launched.

It's all about priorities. That POS Admiral Kuznetsov, eats in a single year, much more than everything people donated, with little to show for in last decade.

It is all nice and everything but forklifts have their own requirements... and when they break down where are the spare parts and support going to come from... more likely they will be pushed aside and they will go back to the manual bomb handing equipment they have been using for decades that still got the job done.

Russia is going to have to invest rather more in their navy and that includes its air defence capacity so the Kuznetsov is going to become more and more critical to the income of Russia as the west continues to try to isolate and contain them they will have to look to the rest of the world for trade which means a decent navy and lots of civilian ships to replace all the cargo ships of shipping companies that refuse to cooperate with Russia.

And forklifts? Those had to be donated?

Why didn't morons at VKS purchase them decades ago?

The ground handling gear they use works perfectly fine and they have the spare parts and support equipment to keep them working... how long will those forklifts keep working?

Damage control artists never fail to disappoint. Although I do sympathize, it's their job after all. When you have to type that sort of garbage day in, day out... Jesus!

A disgrace and national embarrassment is "totally normal"

Typical western response, posting an image that is so obviously faked with a quite large drone shown to be smaller than one persons hand...

Understanding what is happening means looking at information being put forward and evaluating it.

People donating equipment to help the troops is a good thing and they should be commended for that, but to suggest that in absence of Forklifts they had to man handle those 500kg bombs and those 1,500kg bombs into position is absurd. They have dollies with hand cranked lifts like a pallet jack is used to wheel around large pallets with stores or equipment, they have similar tools for moving around bombs and other things...

None was sold I think contrary to turkish Sabra variant which was bought in huge quantity.

Which suggests upgrading really old shit with brand new shit makes no sense when you can just use newer vehicles in the first place.

120/125mm has also some disadvantages. In many situation it isn't needed and its shells are bigger than smaller guns. Smaller shells are safer for the crew if they don't carry max load. Most vehicles on the battlfield can be dealt with even 90mm guns or even smaller. New FCS allow longer range for smaller guns.

The one piece 115mm rounds are much longer and more awkward to handle inside an armoured vehicle but they are also much less of a fire risk than the two piece 125mm rounds and their exposed consumable propellent cases.

They should try a unmanned turret with only two crew for an upgraded t-62.

A standard upgrade for the T-55... I believe they called it T-55M5... was replacing the turret with a T-72 turret.... gun and all... new wheels and extended chassis with heavier armour, new engine and transmission... essentially a new tank really... nobody was interested.

Would make more sense to just buy T-72s.

According to the posts, they had manual trolleys mostly.

Those fork lifts burn fuel... if they break down they will go back to the manual dollies.

Hope they don't have any clowns... forklift accidents are common... especially those not properly trained to operate them...

Probably why they didn't bother with them in the first place... always some idiot has fun with one and boom or crunch he runs it into a multi million dollar aircraft, or drops something and breaks it.

No but from the sea Ukraine is on the north. So firing in two opposite direction is unlikely to happen. If the first missiles were fired toward Ukrine then the last one was fired at the sea toward Turkey or Georgia.

Those missiles have a range of 2,500km... we have no idea where the sub is and what direction it is being filmed from... all we can tell is that most went one way and one went a different way... what we see... the evidence presented... does not indicate a malfunction... it didn't lose control and spin into the sea... it just headed in a different direction from the other missiles launched at that time.

There is no position where they would launch missiles in opposite directions.

Why do you think that?

Cruise missile use waypoints and fly in flight paths to avoid enemy air defences so sending them on different flight paths even towards the same target is actually quite normal.

So I'm pretty sure it's a fail. Which is normal.

The solid rocket portion of the Calibr has control fins intended to direct the missile towards the intended target area... they are supposed to manouver in that phase of launch to head upwards and in the direction they will be going.

Failures do happen.

A fail would be an exploding solid rocket motor or losing a control surface and having it spin out of control and fall into the water like a pin wheel firework.

Neither of which happened.

All we need now is for the Donbass to be liberated and then bask in the glorious political solution. Looking forward to the marvelous spin.

Surprise commitments changes for full regime change and a Kiev takeover continue to diminish, unfortunately.

Putin agreed to a grain corridor... Russia also agreed on multiple civilian escape corridors and several cease fires... all of which were violated by Kiev because they would rather see their own people die or the grain burn so they can blame it on Russia...

We will see what happens but I am guessing this will be further evidence that Zelensky wont survive this conflict.

Not how NATO, Israel, UK, or America fights wars and not how you win wars either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
Does it show charity or a complete contempt for the value of your own soldiers lives? Those retreating soldiers are not surrendering; they are living to fight (and kill) another day.

Very true on all counts, but makes you wonder what the west fights for with no morals and no ethics...

When you think about it, that ship ate billions.

Without a decent aircraft carrier in the Falklands war the Brits lost about 5 ships and lots of men to save probably nothing... the cost of a fixed wing aircraft carrier which they had with Phantoms and Buccaneers and AWACS was probably less than the cost of those 5 ships...

And with a hostile west Russia will need to operate world wide if they want to trade and cooperate with the rest of the world.

You're really pushing this narrative aren't you. That the Russian military is running on donations.

Seriously it is a bit of a shame that Brits didn't think the same way and donate money for their military so all their soldiers could have helmets and flak vests in Afghanistan and Iraq...

They probably would have loved some thermal imagers too for their forward observers.... I remember they adopted new thermals for their Milan ATGMs and the recon units used to "borrow" them because the shit they were issued with were Image Intesifiers and no where near as good.

The Special Operation is partially running on donations. An individual could give a break for foodstuff and textiles but also for military off-the-shelf equipment too? Fvck out here.

Such things have a long history in the west... how many women gave up their silk stockings during WWII so parachutes could be made, but you want to push the western agenda that Russia is running out of things or can't afford this war... whatever.

You have earned your pound of flesh today... get a pat on the back by your manager... evil is slightly strong today because of what you do.

I don't see Russia backing down on its objectives of demilitarization and denazification of the Ukraine. And those objectives are not limited to the Donbass, they apply to all Ukrainian territory

Why would Russia back down when it has a winning game plan for the military side of things, and the Western attempts at crushing its economy have failed?

More importantly, Putin and others have already said the more they resist and the more weapons and money the west pumps in to this conflict the higher the price that Russia will demand for a peace settlement... which sounded to me like you are going to lose more territory and take more pain the more you draw this out... at some stage the fields of crops could be targeted and burned along with any grain in silos if that sort of message seems to be needed.

The west thinks it can be tough and the bad guy and eventually Russia will give in... how has that worked so far...

Now it is actually counting against them... will they notice in time...

From personal experience, your middle tier bureaucracy is your deep state. Those people wield a lot of power and have a staying power, regardless of government changes.

From my observation of the US both political parties are almost identicle except a few differences on death penalties and abortions, but otherwise pro war and anti russia, but your civil servants including your intel agencies are all pro democrat. Voting makes little difference.

I love Russia, but I don't understand why you don't go in a murdering rampage with those animals.

Because the Russians in charge are not animals...

Wtf by that logic, E3 and global hawks cueing Ukrainian strikes on Russian troops are justified targets too

So are their POS sats

That would be a good response...

A kh-55 was recovered after hitting a target in Ukraine. It had electronics from the 80s yet it was still very precise.

The military don't use brand new state of the art electronics CPUs...

using su-25 planes , flying very low and very fast ,and firing 3 unguided rockets at a random place.

Yeah, Su-25s are well know carpet bombers, that is why they are so popular with the troops they support... and obviously launching rockets at random is why the human death toll in the Ukraine is in the millions for civilians... but only at the hands of their own nazis.

I am sure that these new Russian transsexuals will appreciate this deep care about poor innocent Ukrainians

Those Russian victims of Ukraines nazi warcrimes might want revenge against those responsible but does that mean they want all ukrainians to be brutally murdered all nazi like?

way worse takes before this SMO happened.... including, and not limited to the damage control soldier GarryB

My take before the Russian attack was that Russia would not attack, but then I had no idea that Kiev intended to attack anyway so there was no alternative to war.
The current evidence of the behaviour of the nazis and their activities regarding nuclear weapons and bio weapons (US and British officials openly stating they would help Kiev get nuclear weapons capability before the conflict started is enough on its own to invade the Ukraine and destroy the Nazis.)

Buk and Tor are also far ahead of any SHORADS NATO has encountered in last 2 decades

BUK and TOR have the mobility of MANPADS with performance in some areas that exceeds S-125 or anything the Iraqis had...

I'm so disappointed in Putin, Medvedev has impressed me more, at least with his rhetoric.

Medvedev was a western boot licker in power till Georgia invaded South Ossetia and the west supported them and blamed Russia for the fight.

Putin has different responsibilities and is hardly going to act like a loose cannon now... Medvedev has no power so he can spout off all he pleases...

Could it be that the Russian army is under strict orders/rules of engagement, including not attacking retreating troop columns?

Every army is under strict rules of engagement in every conflict...

Because the war is so heavily videoed it could be a propaganda win for the west or weaken Russia legitimacy to a law based order and upcoming trial of Nazis?

Russia is done with the west... there will be no transfer of Ukrainian war criminals to the Hague or any such nonsense... it will all be done in Russia or the New countries that end up being created and the west will have no say... so legitimacy wont matter at all.

Bottom line I do agree with papadragon sentiment on the need to kill as many of the Ukrainian troops as possible to de-militaries, de-nazify the country and make sure the rest of Europe looks at the example that is made out of Ukraine and not try anything like this again for another 100 years.

Most Orcs are conscripts and justify fighting because the Russians are portrayed as invading monsters raping and murdering civilians.

Russia gains nothing by slaughtering the entire Orc army... when this is over Russia is not going to provide hundreds of thousands of men to occupy this territory... the US created ISIS simply by banning all of Saddams soldiers from being in the Iraqi military... idle hands and all that... not all of them were nutters but they ended up joining forces with nutters because they and their families had to eat.

My heart hopes for a coup and civil war within the rump of Ukraine.

A coup will never happen if you butcher everyone on that side and have no mercy.

Best analyst in the entire conflict , a former military veteran ,that understand military tactics.
and is not biased to any side.

SEVERODONETSK what happened there...

Every video you post of that guy he looks retarded.

I understand that some images in a video can be taken at random and make someone look bad but this guy is using bad images of himself in videos he is posting... is he as retarded as he looks... probably... would have to watch his video to find out and why bother when it is posted by Vann.

China has advanced semiconductor foundries, eg SMIC with 8/14nm fab lines. I am quite sure China will sell Russia chips that it needs.

Taiwan doesn't control the market for industrial semiconductors, foundries for those can be found in many countries.
eg. TSMC likes to focus on premium latest and greatest.

Without argon and neon how many chips will TSMC be making moving forward?

Maybe, but you know that the Ukrofilth will never return the favour should the circumstances ever be reversed...

That is true but it is also why we call Kievs forces Orcs and Nazis, and the Russian forces Russian forces.

This is not about winning hearts and minds in the west... this is about respect from the enemy on the ground... retreating troops will not be massacred and prisoners will not be murdered or abused... are you sure you are fighting for the right side.

Why?

Well I would think it would be pretty obvious.... when you slaughter retreating troops then you are saying don't retreat... fight to the death.

When you cut the balls of prisoners or shoot them and let them bleed out you are saying don't surrender... fight to the death.

The message to the majority is more valuable than the effect of a few hundred dead men... and the best part is that the orcs and nazis and the west will likely see this all as weakness and spread the information around to their own forces about how weak the enemy is... but the ones that have already fought on the front line know they are not weak... they are principled.

This SMO have clearly indicated that the Banderites don't understand the concept of professional conduct in wartime.

That is true and when Russian troops meet those troops in combat they will be shot or they might retreat or surrender.

And azerbaijan relies on Tb2 ,which was utterly destroyed in Ukraine

I haven't heard of tb2 since March lol

Wasn't the factory that makes engines for the TB2 destroyed?

Yes I am sure China and India can supply Russia with anything they need. Even as brokers.

Not like they wont be paying for it...

[quote]This guy first has to explain what the **** his son is doing in the USA now.
Do not be deceived about Medvedev - as president, he also did a lot to ensure that Russian electronics did not develop.[/quoet]

He was more pro west than Putin was when Medvedev got into office...

Pay attention to this channel on youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/barabaska22 while it is not blocked yet.
Russian Special Forces ambush Ukrainian soldiers behind enemy lines

But hang on... that is drone footage and Vann tells us the Russians are not using any drones in this conflict... how could Russian Special forces have their own drones if no one else does?

Unless they do and Vann is talking shit as usual.

It could be either Stunga-P or Skif ATGM but the tank completely withstood the blow like a champ russia . It's bad news for both Ukrops & the NATO as Western ATGMs are no better than the Ukrops one.

Looks quite tricky to aim... the sighting system is not stabilised so it was wobbling all over the place... it looks like the missile exploded near the top of the turret meaning the armour probably wasn't in the path of the penetrating HEAT beam...

Note Kornet uses a target autotracker with the operator just pressing the button to launch the missile.

Other systems they use do the same like TOR in optical mode and the missiles launched by their tanks and BMPs.

ludovicense wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:TASS; 46 minutes ago
Military operation in Ukraine

Shoigu reported the capture of about 6.5 thousand ukrainian soldiers

126 servicemen of Ukrainian Armed Forces surrender in five days, Russian Defense Ministry chief notes

MOSCOW, June 7. / TASS /. The total number of captured Ukrainian servicemen reached 6,489. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call.

Speaking about the interim results of the special military operation, Shoigu said that 126 AFU servicemen had been taken prisoner in five days, with a total of 6,489 people.

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14843259

It is a bad indicator for the Ukrainian army, as it is a relatively low number compared to dead and seriously injured. It means that it is being destroyed. Denazification in progress and at full steam...

There is a question re this also applies to the LDPR's or just those captured by Russian forces.

Hole wrote:

kvs wrote:

Hole wrote:https://thesaker.is/how-blaming-putin-is-helping-putin/
The blame Putin for anything will backfire massively.

The shame is the Minsk I and II agreements.   These should never have been signed without proper territorial concessions from
the losing Ukr side.  Instead we had a freeze in place ceasefire converted into a higher level agreement, one that NATzO
and its Kiev quislings never fulfilled.  

Now we have similar "chestnuts out of fire" rescue attempts being proposed by Italy on behalf of NATzO.   Putin would have to be
an actual retard to go along with this nonsense again.   Before he had some legitimate excuses (e.g. Russia not having the economic
condition to fight a sanctions war), now none of these excuses apply.

Now Kherson and Zaporoshye are of the table, together with Crimea and Donbass, even if negotiations would happen.

By territorial concessions I meant moving the LOS far enough from Donetsk City and perhaps even demanding Mariupol be
surrendered. The Ukrs could still use Tochka-Us but most of the damage is with shelling and MLRS. I recall that LDNR forces
were actively progressing towards taking the city until the Minsk racket stopped them.

No shit they cannot fly freely over Ukraine, You do realize Ukraine you absolute fucking idiot has hundreds of AA systems that cannot be detected until they activate their radars at the very last second. It would takes thusnads upon thousands of planes in the air every second to destroy all of Ukraines AD, and don't bring up "Drones"

Ukraine would be smacking those out the sky like no tomorrow, Drones are easy targets for systems like Buk and Russia has neutralized Ukraine's drone advantage at this stage with Buks alone

Even my own airforces in Kosovo using everything possible to track down the mobile AA failed to destroy a large portion of mobile AA systems, and when that war ended the Serbs still had most of their stuff intact.

Finding Systems like Buk is a hard hard hard ass task, you don't know anything about the shit you preach. It's just annoying how stupid you are and act like you know anything lol.

Russian airforce can operate in Ukraine, Ukraine's air force cannot, Russia controls the skies in Ukraine that's FACT.

Here are the facts you would get thousands upon thousands killed every day if you tried your retarded ass logic, again your a fool who knows nothing about war but sit there and read shit and acting as if you do.

The fact you think destroying that many air defense systems can be done so fast alone just shows how moronic you are.

and we are decades away from seeing drone "swarms" and the type of swarms you speak off wont exist for hundreds of years.

I could go and on about how wrong and how much you are lying but, I rather not. Morons will be morons

So the russians are trying to advance on Slovanisk, this is the correct tactical choice, you bog down their forces in Siev force them to comment their reserves then strike, if they take Slovan all those men are trapped without supply, Ukie generls wanted to pull out weeks ago to avoid this.

Their command should have listened.

First off all lies.

Turkey deployed the drones where Syrian AD wasn't present and the SAA didn't have much AA capable of dealing with the drones, and the systems they did where mostly deployed around bases to protect against Isreali missile strikes,

So you aren't aware of the facts and lied.

Um you do realize you fool Aermina never deployed its military in that conflict, the forces Azeri fought were local defense force, and they lacked AA, Tanks etc everything.

You lied and didn't know the facts.


Before you talk about tactics, get the facts right first ya moron.

Drones against a foe with comprehensive AD and a huge amount are useless in 99 percent of cases.

You cannot build the drones quick enough to counter the shoot down rate which is why in Ukraine ukie drones have been pretty much rendered useless.

So again I repeat Vann you are a grade A idiot who doesn't know the facts, lies, makes shit up and then pretends to act like some strategic mastermind.

Here ae the facts your own men would kill you in the first week if you tried the shit you preach in actual war time conditions.


My god you really are that stupid, No shit russia navy isn't doing anything this is a land war, there isn't much for them to do but fire cruise missiles and blockade ports

Amrchair experts man, always amuse me.

Sujoy wrote:S-70B Okhotnik heavy strike stealth drone is turning out to be the game changer in this conflict. I suspect in the fullness of time the S-70B will be armed with all the weapons that are carried by the Su-57.

Far as I know S-70 isn't deployed in Ukraine

Sujoy wrote:S-70B Okhotnik heavy strike stealth drone is turning out to be the game changer in this conflict. I suspect in the fullness of time the S-70B will be armed with all the weapons that are carried by the Su-57.

The heavy what now?

Since when is the Okhotnik being used in the Ukraine?

flamming_python wrote:

Sujoy wrote:S-70B Okhotnik heavy strike stealth drone is turning out to be the game changer in this conflict. I suspect in the fullness of time the S-70B will be armed with all the weapons that are carried by the Su-57.

The heavy what now?

Since when is the Okhotnik being used in the Ukraine?

I mean it would be a good time to test it but they only have two units right now and I doubt any of those are combat worthy.

"syria have many modernized pantsirs , tors , buks , even s-300s. they had from the very start.."

Okay we are don where you are a straight up liar,

Their panstsirs where all on base defense duty, their buks where old models and in very few number not enough to cover all the ground they had to.

Over 80 percent of Syria AD was static SA systems.

The Syrians NEVER EVER EVER HAD TORS NOR 300 (these where controlled by the russians who refused to allow the SAA to use them against the turks)

So congrats, you just revealed how clueless and full of shit you are.

I am done here