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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun May 29, 2022 4:32 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Just watched that.

    https://t.me/swodki/105590

    It is quite interesting if you will take a look at that all S-8 missiles.
    Those are brand new. Freshly painted etc.
    a/ they are out of stock of old ammo
    b/ the MIC is working as crazy to deliver these shining pieces
    Anyone can make their own ideas Laughing




    The idea is not mine but С-8ОФП Бронебойщик (S-80FP Bronyeboishyk) - in short 2,8kg explosives and range till 6000m. No in flight corrections yet. Gefest to be used.

    Monolit missile shall have this though (im not sure Monolith will be in 80mm version though)

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-8%D0%9E%D0%A4%D0%9F_%D0%91%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BA

    http://bastion-opk.ru/s-8ofp/





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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 29, 2022 4:39 pm

    Giulio wrote:Hello, but why the T-62s??

    Republicans use them and prefer them

    No soldier would switch to something he is not familiar with in the middle of the war

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 29, 2022 4:52 pm

    Clearly no high buildings nearby to fall off by accident.

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    According to unconfirmed (yet) information, David "Chemist" Kasatkin died on the way to the Grozny pre-trial detention center. They write that the heart attack.


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    Almost simultaneous big and little explosions.


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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 29, 2022 6:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Clearly no high buildings nearby to fall off by accident.

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    According to unconfirmed (yet) information, David "Chemist" Kasatkin died on the way to the Grozny pre-trial detention center. They write that the heart attack.


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    Was he the one who threatened Kadyrov's mum?

    I know he was also involved in the torture or killing of Russian POWs judging by the tattoos they matched between him and some of the vids, but he wouldnt need to be carted off to Grozny for judgment over that

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 29, 2022 6:36 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Was he the one who threatened Kadyrov's mum?

    I know he was also involved in the torture or killing of Russian POWs judging by the tattoos they matched between him and some of the vids, but he wouldnt need to be carted off to Grozny for judgment over that[/quote]

    Indeed not, but it might have been a particularly exquisite and well deserved death away from prying eyes.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 29, 2022 7:17 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:There is already the 2S7 Pion and 2S4 Tyulpan that is doing a phenomenal job. They are backed up by 2S19 Msta.

    This is already a lot of formidable firepower.  So why use the TOCHKA? What are the benefits of using the TOCHKA?

    Who mentioned using the Tochka?
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 29, 2022 11:43 pm

    There is already the 2S7 Pion and 2S4 Tyulpan that is doing a phenomenal job. They are backed up by 2S19 Msta.

    This is already a lot of formidable firepower. So why use the TOCHKA? What are the benefits of using the TOCHKA?

    They don't use Tochka, they use Iskander which has more than double the range... they will also have rocket artillery as well.

    Iskander can reach up to 450km into enemy territory and has the precision of an aircraft delivered guided bomb... a 550kg bomb.

    Hello, but why the T-62s??

    With add on armour they are not bad vehicles... lighter and cheaper than T-72s and there are no Leopard IIs or Abrams or Leclercs there they need to fight so 115mm smoothbore will deal with most targets they come across.

    So it's ok for the resident Serbs and Russians here to constantly talk about Yugoslavian history on this thread,

    I am going to have a bit of a clean up... posts will not be deleted... only moved.

    Rather than the talking bollocks, I might just create a new thread for other stuff... if it gets more posts and conversations continue they can be moved to their own thread... otherwise they will remain largely lumped together.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 30, 2022 1:15 am


    As interesting is how the 155 ammo is getting through.

    Most likely as red cross aide packages and inside ambulances and fire trucks and humanitarian aide convoy vehicles...

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    Post  nomadski Mon May 30, 2022 1:26 am

    Gunshipdemocracy wrote " The idea is not mine but С-8ОФП Бронебойщик (S-80FP Bronyeboishyk) - in short 2,8kg explosives and range till 6000m. No in flight corrections yet. Gefest to be .. " , yes idea of engaging troops in trenches , with laser guidance from UAV or helicopter , as adjunct to artillery . An economic solution . But puts chopper at risk . Better from UCAV . A solution for guidance , is to use a special round ( traced type ) , fired from Rifle , for ranging , with visible tail . Like some Tanks .



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L1pS_cQb2CI

    Ucav fly , steep dive , cheap laser shine into trench for spotting target , fire cheap Rocket into trench , recover ucav . Night operation . Daytime use tracer . Laser ranging can be used from chopper for Rockets from 6000 m ? Electric motor for UCAV quiet operation , motor shut- off near target , or when diving .


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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 30, 2022 1:49 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Hello, but why the T-62s??
    With add on armour they are not bad vehicles... lighter and cheaper than T-72s and there are no Leopard IIs or Abrams or Leclercs there they need to fight so 115mm smoothbore will deal with most targets they come across.


    Oh hell, they will.
    T-62M Russkies have uses a Volna FCS, that enables firing a Sheksna ATGM.
    It is just the same projectile used for BPM-3, with up to date parameters and penetration of 700+ mm with a tandem warhead.
    That makes 62M a very good backup tank, that can be really useful as assault artillery. Russkies have more than 5000 pcs of those in storage, can be easily restored for duty. Not to mention a waste stocks of ammo, some of them being quite modern, like 3UOF27.
    Soon, any tank will be better than no tank - and that will be the Ukro case Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 30, 2022 2:38 am

    05/30/2022
    Business newspaper "Vzglyad"

    When Ukraine will be left without combat aviation



    The Russian military almost daily reports enemy planes and helicopters shot down in the Ukrainian sky. However, back in March, it was reported that "practically all" combat-ready aircraft of the Kyiv regime had been destroyed. It turns out that Ukraine receives aircraft from abroad and somehow manages to quickly repair damaged aircraft. What does the Ukrainian Air Force fly on and how combat-ready are they ?

    "Russian air defense systems shot down one MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the village of Belyary, Odessa region," Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said on Friday. A day earlier, Konashenkov announced that in the sky of the same Odessa region, in the Kremidovka region, a Ukrainian military transport aircraft of the Air Force, delivering weapons and ammunition, was destroyed, and an Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down over Gusarovka in the Kharkov region. Later on Saturday, two more Su-25s and a Mi-8 helicopter were shot down.

    Reports of similar successes in the Russian air defense and air forces are received almost daily. At the same time, many remember that on March 6, at the very beginning of the special operation, the same General Konashenkov reported on the death of almost all of the enemy’s combat-ready aircraft. “Practically all combat-ready aviation of the Kiev regime has been destroyed,” the TASS general quoted the general at the time. “At the same time, we are reliably aware of Ukrainian combat aircraft that had previously flown to Romania and other border countries.”

    It is worth recalling: according to our General Staff, at the time the special operation began, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 152 aircraft in service, mainly Su-27, MiG-29, Su-25. There were 149 helicopters, and this is the Mi-24 and various modifications of the Mi-8. And already on May 27, at a briefing in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the following numbers of Ukrainian aviation losses were announced - 180 aircraft and 127 helicopters.

    That is, if helicopters still remain in a few numbers, then the planes began to knock out, it turns out, already in the second round. It remains to be concluded that Ukraine receives aircraft from abroad. How is this done? Most likely, and this is confirmed by foreign sources, the planes are transported under the guise of spare parts. The wings are undocked, making the flying machine suitable for transportation by rail or road, and in this disguised form they are moved across the border.

    As for helicopters, the technology of their deliveries from the West is the same - everything that can be removed is removed from the aircraft to reduce its dimensions, transported over the ground, then assembled. For example, at the beginning of this week it was reported that the Czech Republic was ready to provide seven Mi-24 strike "turntables", but this information has not yet been confirmed. The United States seems to have promised to allocate 17 units of Mi-17 helicopters from among those they had previously ordered from Russia for the Afghan Air Force. Most likely, these machines are waiting in the wings at the helicopter repair center in the Emirates, but whether they will be sent to Ukraine is still unknown.

    What exactly can the allies supply to Kiev ? These are MiG-29 fighters and Su-25 attack aircraft. The latter were only in the arsenal of Poland, but the MiGs could theoretically come not only from Poland, but also from Bulgaria, Slovakia and Romania, which General Konashenkov mentioned in March. In any case, we are talking about a fairly small number - say, Bulgaria officially has 16 MiG-29s, of which hardly a dozen are in flight condition. Poland has the most MiGs - 25-30 pieces, and not everyone is able to fly either.

    It is also possible that some combat aircraft, which our military considered destroyed at the airfields, actually turned out to be still suitable for repair and have now been returned to service.
    The fact is that the Kiev regime has another source of replenishment of the fleet. In Ukraine, there are several aircraft repair plants left - in the same Odessa, in Kiev, Zaporozhye, Lvov, Nikolaev, Kharkov, plus a plant in Konotop (Sumy region), which specializes in repairing helicopters. Each of them probably had a certain number of machines - under repair or in anticipation - that were able to quickly return to service with the help of spare parts and assemblies supplied from the West. And the Zaporozhye engine-building plant "Motor Sich" also had its own aircraft repair base, and, most likely, the recent missile attack on the plant was aimed precisely at this site.

    Decommissioned planes go into battle

    The fact that NATO countries - in particular, Poland, Germany or Slovenia - can be transferred to Kiev is a drop in the ocean, I am sure the deputy editor-in-chief of the Aviapanorama magazine, Honored Military Pilot of the Russian Federation, Major General Vladimir Popov. His own estimates of the arsenal of the Ukrainian Air Force by the time the conflict began differ sharply from the estimates of our General Staff. "Today, Ukraine has about 200 combat aircraft and helicopters left - this is about two divisions, and at the time the special operation began, there were about 600 of them. They are based partly in the middle lane - from Kharkov to Krivoy Rog and Odessa. But the main part is in the western regions. They have a second frontier in the region of Lutsk, Lvov region, Ternopil and Transcarpatia. It is there that aviation is now preparing for repeated strikes against the Russian armed forces," Popov told the VZGLYAD newspaper.

    He recalls that on the territory of Ukraine before the start of the conflict, there were several aircraft manufacturing plants, including in Kharkov and Gostomel near Kiev.

    "In Ukraine, there were up to 20 repair enterprises for civil and military aviation. This is a great potential.
    Zaporozhye Motor Sich was the largest aviation association, Popov says. Huge warehouses with aircraft parts have been preserved on the territory of the country since the times of the USSR. "And today Ukraine has the ability to reproduce individual units, equipment to maintain the combat serviceability of aircraft and helicopters," the expert stressed. He recalled that after gaining independence, more than 2.8 thousand various military aircraft and "the lion's share of well-trained pilots" remained in Ukraine. There were only 240 MiG-29 fighters of various modifications and about 70 Su-27s, 45 Su-24s and more than 30 Su-25s, and there is no need to talk about helicopters - there were a lot of them.
    Former Deputy Air Force Commander of the Baltic Military District of the USSR for Army Aviation, Major General Alexander Tsalko agrees that Ukraine has "no problems" with the restoration of aviation equipment, especially helicopters.

    “Planes that were decommissioned in peacetime can be sent into battle - due to the flight of the maximum number of hours or exceeding the service life. By military standards, both vehicles are quite combat-ready, because their task is to stay in the air for no more than three five hours In addition, decommissioned equipment serves as a donor for more modern, but damaged in battle. However, if we are talking about assembling helicopters from spare parts, then special enterprises are needed for this. "There is only one such plant in Ukraine - in Konotop. Since the Soviet years, Mi-6, Mi-26 and Mi-8 have been repaired there. The Russian Armed Forces can hit this plant if they find out that they have begun to assemble something like that there. And that's all the rest of the enterprises are just "sharash-assembly". Zaporozhye "Motor Sich" could assemble the Mi-8 or Mi-24, as previously planned, but it was recently heavily ruined. As you know, it was hit by a missile strike, "reminds Tsalko.

    Personnel are turned into kamikaze


    It should be remembered that the planes themselves do not fight, and Ukraine had an acute shortage of qualified military pilots even before the start of the conflict. That is why the Armed Forces of Ukraine, apparently, are forced to "motivate and invite" military pensioners. “The most painful point for them is the availability of personnel, their training. It is necessary not only to be able to fly. The pilot must have high motivation. Nobody can force him to physically perform this or that task in the air,” recalls Popov.

    “Besides, constant training is important. If you haven’t flown for three months, you might already miss something. If you haven’t flown for a year, it’s even worse. perform a combat mission at any cost, then he can make a sortie in two or three days, but it will be almost suicidal," the general notes.
    The pilot needs to be trained for three years - at the school (two terms of 10 months each) and another year in the unit, recalls Tsalko. True, in the case of "forced training" the period of study can be reduced to six months.

    “Today, the flight crew in Ukraine has almost been completely exterminated.
    They already had few pilots, but many had already died due to the low level of training, the minimum raid. There is only one flight school in Ukraine. I wonder how they agree to fly on such rubbish - not pilots, but kamikazes. They are shot down, and they continue to fly. I can’t even imagine what kind of mood reigns in the former air regiments, when people are constantly dying there, ”the expert is perplexed.

    In any case, the echeloned military air defense of the Russian troops and the forces of the DPR and LPR quite successfully fight against any air targets, and the aircraft of the Aerospace Forces working on their targets always carry air-to-air missiles and therefore are capable of quickly hitting any identified enemy aircraft or drone .
    "These strikes achieve results. The intensity of the use of the Ukrainian Air Force has decreased several times compared to the beginning of the operation," general Popov sums up.

    The text was written by Alexei Peskov and Oleg Moskvin.

    https://vpk.name/news/605928_kogda_u_ukrainy_zakonchitsya_boevaya_aviaciya.html

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    Post  Tolstoy Mon May 30, 2022 2:43 am

    Typo. Meant Tosochka. Not sure why Tosochka is being used.

    flamming_python wrote:
    Tolstoy wrote:There is already the 2S7 Pion and 2S4 Tyulpan that is doing a phenomenal job. They are backed up by 2S19 Msta.

    This is already a lot of formidable firepower.  So why use the TOCHKA? What are the benefits of using the TOCHKA?

    Who mentioned using the Tochka?
    https://t.me/intelslava/30130

    GarryB wrote:
    There is already the 2S7 Pion and 2S4 Tyulpan that is doing a phenomenal job. They are backed up by 2S19 Msta.

    This is already a lot of formidable firepower. So why use the TOCHKA? What are the benefits of using the TOCHKA?

    They don't use Tochka, they use Iskander which has more than double the range... they will also have rocket artillery as well.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon May 30, 2022 3:02 am

    Tolstoy wrote:
    https://t.me/intelslava/30130
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    Tochka
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    Tosochka

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    Post  Hinex1988 Mon May 30, 2022 3:03 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 2 command and control posts of AFU battalions, 1 communications centre, as well as 34 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

    💥✈Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 3 strong points and 67 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 320 nationalists and 47 weapons and military equipment.

    ▫Russian air defence means have shot down 15 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Severodonetsk, Novochervonoe, Vasilevka of the Lugansk People's Republic, Panteleimonovka, Grigorovka, Krasnovka, Nevelskoe of the Donetsk People's Republic, Petrapolie, Petrovskoe, Glinskoe of Kharkov Region, Chornobaevka and Aleksandrovka of Kherson Region.

    ▫In addition, 9 Ukrainian Smerch multiple-launch rockets have been intercepted near Malaya Kamyshevakha, Kamenka, Brazhkovka, Glinskoe in Kharkov Region and Chernobaevka in Kherson Region.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 62 command posts, including those of Operational Command South near Novy Bug, Nikolaev Region, as well as 593 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration and 55 artillery and mortar batteries at firing positions.

    💥4 BM-21 Grad multiple-launch rocket launchers, 46 Ukrainian weapons and military equipment, as well as 1 ammunition depot near Novomikhailovka, Donetsk People's Republic, have been  destroyed.

    ▫In addition, more than 15 Ukrainian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles and 5 large-calibre artillery mounts have been destroyed as a result of artillery strike on a hangar on the territory of Okean shipyard in Nikolaev city.

    📊In total, 183 Ukrainian aircraft and 128 helicopters, 1,064 unmanned aerial vehicles, 325 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,323 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 451 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,731 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,294 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 30, 2022 3:52 am

    The advantage of TOS-2 is that it is new and all its electronics and equipment will be new... and its extra range means it can fire from a safer distance from the target, but also being truck based it will be more mobile and faster on roads and will be less of a problem in terms of maintenance and operational costs.

    It likely has a dedicated drone system to find targets and monitor results of attacks which they are likely keen to test in a real conflict.

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    Post  nomadski Mon May 30, 2022 4:40 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VoXIv2gxOo4


    Good idea . Why expose aircraft to enemy fire ? Artillery can have air - burst or dispense little mine over target . A automated drone ,  can shine a rotating  laser to ground and a trench will give a drop in signal , then drone steer to trench . Has been done already with anti-Tank mine , air dropped with parachute . It is all question of costs ( including human costs ) and immediate availability .

    Edit : minelets will not survive G-  forces of being fired from arty shell , but will survive from Rocket . Time delayed much better , disable movement for long time , without killing ! Soldier give up from mental exhaustion . Give up and war over ! Cheaper than drone , can be done now .


    Edit : some of These minelet can be shaped like Rocks or plants . Many can be small charge or dud . Still the same effect .


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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 30, 2022 5:10 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Giulio wrote:Hello, but why the T-62s??

    Republicans use them and prefer them

    No soldier would switch to something he is not familiar with in the middle of the war


    Who?

    LDNR only ever used T-64s and T-72s, plus the odd pedestal IS-3

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    Post  Hole Mon May 30, 2022 5:11 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    limb wrote:
    Hole wrote:https://southfront.org/successful-attack-of-kyivs-forces-in-kherson-appears-to-be-total-disaster-photos/

    Title speaks for itself.


    The first photo is of a destroyed BMP-3. Maybe it was a captured vehicle.

    BTW why has there been no advance from belogorovka to cut off severodonetsk if the russian bridgehead there was successful and they took few losses?

    Probably to make you doubt and write new conspiracy theories.
    What would you do, do you want the Russians to rush and die unnecessarily ?



    First pic is a BMP-1. Engine in front. Two hatches behind each other on the left side.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 30, 2022 6:31 am

    Stuff removed from this thread for being offtopic has been moved Here

    Soon, any tank will be better than no tank - and that will be the Ukro case

    The difference between an upgraded T-62 and an upgraded T-72 is not massive... maybe they are trolling the Orcs... we can send obsolete tanks to grind you...

    Edit : minelets will not survive G- forces of being fired from arty shell , but will survive from Rocket . Time delayed much better , disable movement for long time , without killing ! Soldier give up from mental exhaustion . Give up and war over ! Cheaper than drone , can be done now .

    The Russians have a range of artillery shells that release submunitions and bomblets over the target... in addition to Rocket artillery their tube artillery (ie Gun Artillery) has a range of options for cluster munitions.

    For heavy shells like the 240mm and 203mm rounds are good for hard targets, but against area targets lots of little bomblets are more effective at spreading the death.

    Think of it in terms of a 50 cal HMG round... it will kill no matter what body armour you are wearing, but against groups of human targets it will overkill one and do little to the others... whereas a 50 cal projectiles weight worth of 5.45mm bullets could kill or injure multiple targets.

    Edit : some of These minelet can be shaped like Rocks or plants . Many can be small charge or dud . Still the same effect .

    The UXO problems are going to be for Russia after this conflict, so why make it hard for yourself?

    Lots of mines and UXO is just a pain in the arse after the fighting is finished.

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    Post  Serberus Mon May 30, 2022 7:42 am

    https://t.me/anna_news/33387
    Russian and Republican forces are actively advancing towards Slavyansk
    Now the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM of the DPR have occupied the villages of Dibrova and Stary Karavan, the DPR defense headquarters writes.
    There is information about the beginning of the assault on the village of Raygorodok.
    🔹For example, from the same Old Caravan to Slavyansk is only 17 kilometers, and from Raygorodok 12 kilometers.

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    https://t.me/intelslava/30349

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Fighters from Severodonetsk report that they have already taken from 30 to 50% of Severodonetsk.  Fighting in the city continues.
    The enemy is shelling Severodonetsk with artillery from Lisichansk, trying to slow down the advance of our troops.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 30, 2022 7:55 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    Was he the one who threatened Kadyrov's mum?
    I know he was also involved in the torture or killing of Russian POWs judging by the tattoos they matched between him and some of the vids, but he wouldnt need to be carted off to Grozny for judgment over that

    Kill his mother and rape his wife&doughters.
    Like any brave bandera. Rape&killing of women is what they were always specialized in.

    Still, I am not a big fan of this kind of solution.
    He should have gotten a fair judgment, and been fairly hung after.

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    Post  Serberus Mon May 30, 2022 8:00 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Was he the one who threatened Kadyrov's mum?
    I know he was also involved in the torture or killing of Russian POWs judging by the tattoos they matched between him and some of the vids, but he wouldnt need to be carted off to Grozny for judgment over that

    Kill his mother and rape his wife&doughters.
    Like any brave bandera. Rape&killing of women is what they were always specialized in.

    Still, I am not a big fan of this kind of solution.
    He should have gotten a fair judgment, and been fairly hung after.

    Only thing we know for sure so far is that he was captured at Azovstal, the reports of his death and transportation to Grozny haven’t been confirmed.
    Since he has reportedly been linked with execution and torture of Russian pows and directly threatened Khadyrov and his family I got no issue with his trial taking place in Grozny.
    All the scum who have committed crimes against Donbass civilians and militia should be tried in Luhansk and Donetsk and face the death penalty, no point in wasting resources on keeping those oxygen thieves alive.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 30, 2022 8:16 am

    So the SBU hotshot that Zelensky dismissed the other day decided to disclose some details on the so-called "Kharkov counter-offensive" that supposedly "reached the Russian border".

    Indeed, as I said back then: some forest larpers carrying a border post with them, in an uncontested area, for the sole purpose of filming a video. They later got into a firefight with some RU scouts, got 30% casualties and fled.

    We already knew that the whole "offensive" was nullified over the coming days, but it seems like it was a shitshow even on day one.

    Which reminds me, how did that "Kherson counter-offensive" go? I read a lot of fantastic material on it, such as this:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/28/ukraine-finally-has-launched-its-southern-counteroffensive/?sh=5d83f5c89997

    It's really an inmates running the asylum situation, holy hell.

    But anyway, last I read on TG is that UA lost 20+ armored vehicles, 200+ men and that UA sources confirmed 20+ officers gone. And the ones taking photos of the aftermath weren't UA, which is indicative of something.

    Anything else showed up today?





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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon May 30, 2022 8:25 am

    Tolstoy wrote:There is already the 2S7 Pion and 2S4 Tyulpan that is doing a phenomenal job. They are backed up by 2S19 Msta.

    This is already a lot of formidable firepower.  So why use the TOCHKA? What are the benefits of using the TOCHKA?

    Tolstoy seems to be listening to rock and roll .. Smile The only good thing that ever came from the USA, with the blues. It seems to me that your profile picture is from the video November Rain, Slash plays gutiar in front of the church ..
    And as for the "Točka" missile, the biggest advantage is the range and larger amount of explosives. On the other hand, both the 2S7M "Malka" and the 2S4 "Tyulpan" are more accurate.

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    Post  Serberus Mon May 30, 2022 8:34 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

    But anyway, last I read on TG is that UA lost 20+ armored vehicles, 200+ men and that UA sources confirmed 20+ officers gone. And the ones taking photos of the aftermath weren't UA, which is indicative of something.

    Anything else showed up today?


    Apart from what was already posted earlier ( https://t.me/boris_rozhin/51134 )  I haven’t seen anything, after the last failed Wehrmacht offensive in Kherson it took a little while for drone footage to appear so we may yet see some in the coming days.


    Not sure when this was from but good hit
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/51372


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