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    Post  lyle6 Thu May 26, 2022 3:06 am

    Sujoy wrote:Your daily reminder how ineffective U.S weapons are. For every 10 Javelin ATGM fired by Ukrainians only one ATGM could neutralize the target. If Russians had APS on their tanks, IFVs, Javelin probably wouldn't have registered a single kill.
    Those probably weren't all Javelins. Probably RPGs and the like. Still, 90% survival rate against missiles is just excellent.

    ALAMO wrote:
    In Russian, he is talking about the physical hits he saw, so the missiles that worked as planned.
    On the other hand, we have the Ukro statements, that half of them don't work at all, and a part of them don't hit anything even if the start sequence was OK - that part can be a training issue.

    One of the Canadian snipers complained that the Russian tanks were plinking them in their trenches beyond the range of the Javelin. Of Ukraine's anti armor arsenal, only the Stugna ATGM has the range to match Russian tanks but they are not nearly powerful enough to reliably crack the frontal armor. Javelin theoretically doesn't need to but then again its outranged - whoops.

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    Post  limb Thu May 26, 2022 3:08 am

    Sujoy wrote:Your daily reminder how ineffective U.S weapons are. For every 10 Javelin ATGM fired by Ukrainians only one ATGM could neutralize the target. If Russians had APS on their tanks, IFVs, Javelin probably wouldn't have registered a single kill.


    The only way a russian tank crew would survive a javelin hit is:
    1. The javelin is less accurate than advertised and has a high likelihood of hitting the glacis or engine block of the tank
    2. Russian roof mounted ERA can effectively and utterly neutralize 750mm penetrating tandem charge warheads.
    3. Assuming 2 is true, the javelin doesnt hit the hatches without ERA on the roof of the tank



    The comments have some delicious cope that the russian tanker must be lying and that the thermal imagers he used must have been from france since russians are allegedly too primitive compared to white civilization to make electronics.

    One of the Canadian snipers complained that the Russian tanks were plinking them in their trenches beyond the range of the Javelin.

    Source?



    How plausible is the claim that the ukrainians had an advantage in drone surveillance, thermal imagers and and cameras everywhere, as the tanker claims further?
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1529594767260131330?s=20&t=vW042k-ehtiStVlrl_zAQg

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    Post  RTN Thu May 26, 2022 3:25 am

    And what is the corresponding figure for how many Russian Kornets were able to hit Ukrainian tanks, armored vehicles? Russia will never publish those embarrassing figures

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    Here is more humor

    NATO armies: 24x projectiles on a pallet + 1x forklift

    Russian army: 24x projectiles = 24 crates

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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 26, 2022 3:43 am

    Stugna is a system built to compete with Kornet and is very powerful. It uses two calibers of ammo, 130 and 152mm. The other one is almost as capable as the Kornet itself. It was designed & build with cooperation with Belarus.
    Belarus produces and uses own variation of it called Shershen, that is much longer ranged - 7-8km.
    All this wanking about western made Wunderwaffe has no clue other than commercial. Ukrainians had in disposal and produced much more potent systems. It won't help them.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu May 26, 2022 3:57 am

    Well there were indeed French Catherine imager in T-72's and maybe early T-90A's. But soon Irbis imagers are made and said to be delivered in 2017's.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Thu May 26, 2022 4:48 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 48 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, 2 artillery batteries, and 2 ammunition depots near Nikolaevka and Berestovoe in Donetsk People's Republic during the day.

    ▫1 Ukrainian electronic reconnaissance centre near Dneprovskoe, Nikolaev Region, has been destroyed, including 11 servicemen from the combat unit, as well as 15 foreign engineering specialists who arrived with security guards.

    ▫In addition, 1 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system launcher has been destroyed near Nikolaevka in Donetsk People's Republic, and 1 radar of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system near Chuhuev in Kharkov region.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 49 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, 2 mortar crews, as well as 1 depot of missile and artillery weapons and ammunition.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 350 nationalists and up to 96 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter over Husarovka, Kharkov Region. 1 Ukrainian Air Force military transport aircraft delivering ammunition and weapons has been also shot down in mid-air near Kremidovka, Odessa Region.

    ▫In addition, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Zelenyi Gai in Kherson Region, Bolshie and Malye Prokhody, Gavrilovka, Veseloe in Kharkov Region, and Epifanovka and Kirovsk in Lugansk People's Republic, including 2 Soviet-made Tu-143 Reis jets near Melovatka in Lugansk People's Republic.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 62 command posts, 407 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, 47 artillery and mortar units at firing positions, as well as 3 ammunition depots.

    ▫Units and military equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, which arrived to reinforce the Ukrainian grouping in Donbass, have been destroyed during unloading near Pokrovsk railway station in Donetsk People's Republic.

    📊In total, 179 Ukrainian airplanes and 127 helicopters, 1,019 unmanned aerial vehicles, 323 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,266 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 433 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,682 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,190 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 26, 2022 5:54 am

    Lots of RuN activity a couple of days ago

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    ***NEW ANALYSIS** -> http://hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Demonstration-In-Black-Sea-May-24-2022.html


    #Russian Navy did a major amphibious assault 'demonstration' off #Ukraine coast yesterday morning. Two groups: north, and larger one south.

    Poss distraction to cover Snake Island ops

    Nod @bradyafr
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 26, 2022 5:58 am

    And after that, you repeat the stupid Western propaganda that supposedly "Stalin was an idiot and did not expect a German attack".

    Stalin wasn't perfect but he knew Britain had been fighting Germany essentially alone since 1939 and were desperate to get other countries involved on their side to get some relief... and are you saying Stalin would be stupid to think these provocations about an imminent German attack on the Soviet Union could not possibly be the British trying to trick the Soviets into starting a conflict with Germany to take some pressure of them?

    The British were working in over drive with their spies and influencers in the Soviet Union to get them to attack Germany and equally in Germany to get them to attack the Soviets... and all Stalin wanted to do was watch Britain and Germany destroy each other the way the west eventually just sat and watched Germany and the Soviet Union destroy each other.

    As long as they don't control the ukrainian coast they should send no troop on that island. They will always be at mercy of the ukrainian aviation and missiles.

    Like I said, mine it so that no one can go there and patrol it with sukhois. Mine in the water and on the landing areas.

    It's a useless island for the war but keep it so that NATO don't take it.

    To be fair with what they do have there they seem to have defeated at least one serious on going landing attempt to the embarrassment and serious man power loss to the enemy... I would say just keep doing what you are doing...

    My question was also what exactly systems can be seen in the picture?

    Why post such information? Are you trying to help the Orcs plan their next attack?

    The defence could easily be boosted by having a corvette approach the area which is the equivalent of a decent AESA radar array plus S-350 battery plus guns and other missiles that is fully mobile and therefore tricky to hit.

    Those locations for the vehicles means nothing too... they are vehicles and the TOR and Pantsir can actually even fire while moving...

    Does anyone know what causes the deep ringing sound after 2S4 Tulpan fires? Some part of the vehicle resonating, I guess.

    The gun tube I think... resonates like a bell... being a mortar the walls of the tube are not as thick as the walls for a higher pressure weapon like a gun or a howitzer.

    Friends, I have a question. There are media that are misinforming but I ask the specialists.
    Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?

    Russia came under western sanctions for western gear for military stuff in 2014 and since then has been increasing Russian content to Russian military systems... in most cases they are at 100% but some things are still imported from China and other countries.

    Russian factories are working just fine and their reserves and stores of weapons was enormous before the war started.

    They don't just have one type of cruise missile, they have dozens of different types each with their own unique features and capabilities.

    I agree. It should be left in history. No reason to make divisions in society based on it. It is counterproductive.

    Instead of tearing down statues of people involved in the slave trade or whatever sin they also committed, they should be left in place and a plaque added to mention that they weren't perfect and that they were involved in things we no longer approve of but were accepted at the time or were even considered normal at the time.

    Tearing down statues is just denying history and covering it up.

    I think the worst about those sanctions which will hurt a lot Russia is civil aviation which totally dominated by airbus and boeing for which they have very limited solutions. Too bad they didn't invest more on this since the 2000s.

    That was a situation they created for themselves... they hired CEOs that obviously accepted bribes from Airbus and Boeing to buy their products likely with promises for access to airspace and airfields in the west and in so doing crushed their own capacity to make their own airliners... and now they pay the price...

    I wonder if I told anyone here in feb. 24-28 that russia would still be far from taking kharkov in late may and that Slavyansk is still occupied, if I wouldve immidiately been called a troll and banned.

    Yeah, like I banned you for all the other things you were right about and wrong about... the fact that you still don't understand you wont be banned on this forum for your opinion tells us more about you than anything you have stated or claimed.

    It is the anti putin pro kiev trolls that are demanding a quick end to all this... posters like FP and PD and others recognise this job needs to be done right and if that takes a whole damn year then so be it... why the hurry... are your western audience losing interest?

    That is the western medias problem, not Putins.

    Fighting when you know you will loose anyway is dumb unless you face some barbarians who will cut you in pieces even if you surrender which is not the case here.

    But that is their problem... according to Kiev the Russian troops are raping and murdering everyone... even civilians, so how can they surrender to such barbarians.... Let the nazis run away to the west, let the non nazi orcs surrender, and those that just want to kill Russians take your rifle to the front line and live your dream... once they are sorted out... those left alive can start working with the Russians to determine what sort of country they will have.

    Bye bye Uncle Scam, it couldn't happen to to a more deserving bunch of evil bastards

    The irony is that they demand tolerance for every sexual deviant... next they will say that child molestors are just sick and need help and are misunderstood... to be fair a man has sex with an underage girl and everyone is openly appalled, but a 14 year old boy gets his 30 something teacher pregnant and most guys would be secretly jealous.

    Amusing they demand tolerance for homosexuality and not knowing what gender you are but there is no tolerance if you are Russian and don't denounce Putin as a war criminal...

    I no longer have time for them.

    2S4 is a baritone. Those unfortunates upon which it unloads turn into sopranos or castratos....

    The people on the receiving end are called revolutionaries and often split up into splinter groups... What a Face

    I suppose the Ukrainian "counter-attack" will be Poles...

    Pole vaulting might become a popular sport...

    If Ukraine was shown how to replace the batteries it would be another story.

    But would it?

    Lots of incidents during testing where tanks were missed completely and they had to set the target vehicle on fire so the thermal seeker could find the vehicle... a vehicle that was stationary...

    These are from stores so normally when put into storage things like batteries are taken out, because often batteries left in objects for long periods can leak and ruin electronics completely... so standard procedure is normally to remove them before putting them into long term storage. If it is just standard storage where they might come out at any time they set up a schedule so every few years the batteries are replaced and other parts are inspected and random examples are test fired to make sure they still work.

    One of the Canadian snipers complained that the Russian tanks were plinking them in their trenches beyond the range of the Javelin.

    The episode of Combat Approved for the T-90M showed the vehicle firing at a tank target from 5km range with APFSDS rounds and HEAT rounds and also ATGMs... all were direct hits within a metre of the centre of mass. They also fired an airburst ANIET HE Frag round at that range which was pretty much on target too.

    2. Russian roof mounted ERA can effectively and utterly neutralize 750mm penetrating tandem charge warheads.
    3. Assuming 2 is true, the javelin doesnt hit the hatches without ERA on the roof of the tank

    If it was accurate enough to hit the roof hatches it would kill the tank every time... it clearly isn't any where near that accurate...

    If it was amazing then the thousands of missiles they have sent should have meant the Russian force would be out of operational vehicles... they clearly are not.

    The comments have some delicious cope that the russian tanker must be lying and that the thermal imagers he used must have been from france since russians are allegedly too primitive compared to white civilization to make electronics.

    To be fair their thermal imagers are licence made French thermal imagers and are probably better than the thermals used in quite a few other HATO tanks...

    Their digital training facilities were made by the Germans and are state of the art facilities that most HATO countries can't afford either... the Germans started making them but because of the sanctions the Russians finished them themselves and built more for each military district.

    And what is the corresponding figure for how many Russian Kornets were able to hit Ukrainian tanks, armored vehicles? Russia will never publish those embarrassing figures

    They started the war with more armour than the rest of HATO combined except the US, but now they need armour to be imported because they are out of vehicles... yeah, those Russian missiles must suck.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 26, 2022 6:00 am

    Ever heard of telephone poolsters? scratch
    But still the data are bullshit.

    When dealing with BBC reports it is always important to realise most stories are created inhouse, there is no need for verification, just get clearance from the British government because the BBC is a branch of British propaganda and you have an agenda to push and support... so as long as it is fully anti Russian it is ready to publish...

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    Post  Hole Thu May 26, 2022 6:38 am


    And what is the corresponding figure for how many Russian Kornets were able to hit Ukrainian tanks, armored vehicles? Russia will never publish those embarrassing figures

    They started the war with more armour than the rest of HATO combined except the US, but now they need armour to be imported because they are out of vehicles... yeah, those Russian missiles must suck.

    There is a huge number of videos available were you can watch Nazi vehicles being hit by missiles. But even more are used against fortifications.

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    Post  Erk Thu May 26, 2022 8:37 am

    VARGR198 wrote:
    Dead from the Russian shelling of Azovstal, or some other cause?
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    Post  jhelb Thu May 26, 2022 8:38 am

    sepheronx wrote:Prague, Czech Republic — shops in Prague are displaying signs “Ukrainians not allowed to enter” as they complain about their behaviour and constant theft.
    This is because of the Romas. A community of born criminals. Russian cities need to put up similar boards too.

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    Post  Regular Thu May 26, 2022 8:49 am

    Erk wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    Dead from the Russian shelling of Azovstal, or some other cause?

    Executed, died from infection/sepsis/artillery strikes, bullet wounds and maybe other health conditions. I bet there are plenty of unrecoverable bodies. Russia (or DNR in this case) will bury them, I don't think they can transport 300 bodies to Ukraine.


    #Russia: Why it is unwise to take items from the battlefield: Today, a Swedish Pansarskott 86 (AT-4) launcher exploded in the truck of a civilian car- not in UA, but in Mytishchi, Russia.

    It was taken from the battlefields of E. Ukraine- perhaps as a souvenir or for sale.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1526500532592193536

    Old news, but somehow AT-4 ended up in Russia. Luckily it exploded in the smuggler's car. Just proves my point that Black Market will affect the whole of Europe and Russia including... I bet there are plenty of unaccountable weapons in Ukraine itself, no doubt it will end up in criminal organisations hands and at some stage, terrorists...
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    Post  Regular Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 am

    jhelb wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Prague, Czech Republic — shops in Prague are displaying signs “Ukrainians not allowed to enter” as they complain about their behaviour and constant theft.
    This is because of the Romas. A community of born criminals. Russian cities need to put up similar boards too.

    Those boards banning Russians or Ukrainians are beyond stupid imho. No nationality/ethnicity should be targetted, if a company fears their customers - get better security. Ukrainians in Poland for example, have bad reputation of being problematic, but the landlords now ask for more deposit and sometimes if they legally want to avoid them - they ask for documents that they can't produce. Like, referral of last landlord, local bank statement and etc.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu May 26, 2022 10:08 am

    T-72 and Leopard 2; A tank that has participated in countless conflicts in the last 30+ years and is the most combat-proven tank of today, AND a tank that has participated (and embarrassed) in a single conflict against goat fuckers.

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    T-72; Combat-proven platform in the last few decades ...

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    Leopard 2; Wunderwaffe from Germany, destroyed in considerable numbers in just a few days by a goat fuckers in Syria.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 26, 2022 11:46 am

    JohninMK wrote:Second video has a WOW factor


    Early morning fog

    The explosion shockwaves ripple through it

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 26, 2022 12:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Early morning fog

    The explosion shockwaves ripple through it

    It was the shockwaves that got my attention, not seen it quite as clearly as this.

    Must be really nasty if you are subjected to it.

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu May 26, 2022 12:25 pm

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 26, 2022 12:38 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Well there were indeed French Catherine imager in T-72's and maybe early T-90A's. But soon Irbis imagers are made and said to be delivered in 2017's.

    Catherine FP and XP couldn't be delivered for last 8 years.

    They been using their own for quite some time.

    Irbis I believe also is the whole system and not just the microbolometer. This was to replace the Belorussian system as a just in case cause at that time Luka was being naughty.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7643p175-official-armata-discussion-thread-5#277658

    Here is Mike explaining which thermal imager system and even order documents from the mod.


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    Post  mnztr Thu May 26, 2022 12:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Early morning fog

    The explosion shockwaves ripple through it

    Wow I wonder what the lethal blast radius is. TOS is a terrifying weapon, would be nice if the range was longer.  Even TOS 2 is only 7 km? But still terrifying.
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    Post  Regular Thu May 26, 2022 12:50 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:T-72 and Leopard 2; A tank that has participated in countless conflicts in the last 30+ years and is the most combat-proven tank of today, AND a tank that has participated (and embarrassed) in a single conflict against goat fuckers.

    Leopard 2; Wunderwaffe from Germany, destroyed in considerable numbers in just a few days by a goat fuckers in Syria.


    It's all about how you employ tanks. Leopard-2 was employed by goat fuckers to kill goat fuckers.

    Leopard 2 tanks would do quite well... in DNR service clown I don't think that modern MBTs (ok, not modern considering Armata, but the current ones in service) differ that much in effectivness.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 26, 2022 12:55 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:T-72 and Leopard 2; A tank that has participated in countless conflicts in the last 30+ years and is the most combat-proven tank of today, AND a tank that has participated (and embarrassed) in a single conflict against goat fuckers.

    Leopard 2; Wunderwaffe from Germany, destroyed in considerable numbers in just a few days by a goat fuckers in Syria.


    It's all about how you employ tanks. Leopard-2 was employed by goat fuckers to kill goat fuckers.

    Leopard 2 tanks would do quite well... in DNR service clown I don't think that modern MBTs (ok, not modern considering Armata, but the current ones in service) differ that much in effectivness.

    I seem to recall that we had issues here in Canada with high cost of maintenance and how complicated it can be to use and maintain our Leopard 2A6's.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu May 26, 2022 1:01 pm

    https://t.me/voenacher/19903
    some Ukrainian soldier is "enjoying" a Russian fire show on the front line.

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