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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 15, 2022 7:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    The point of the Chinese ambassadors comments is that modern war is multi dimensional. Propaganda is part of EVERY modern war. If you are losing the propaganda war it does not mean you will lose the war, but it sure as hell will be harder to win.

    Rubbish. Russia has lost in Chechnia and Syria and South Ossetia and Crimea then?  They didn't lose... propaganda only makes sense to get a population to do something to influence the war... the US media influenced the US citizens against the war in Vietnam and so they left the war, but Soviet media influencing the Soviet people regarding the US involvement in that Police Operation would be important for the US to win why?

    How could the Soviet people being against the US invasion of Vietnam make any difference at all... simple answer is it doesn't... just like western opinion of Russian success or otherwise in Ukraine is not worth any effort either.

    They have other things to focus on.


    What Russia lost is the COST. Lets face it, whatever the outcome of this war, its HUGELY costly, and Russia does not have a captive reserve currency like the USA in order pay for this shit show. Like I said, failure to control or influence the narrative does not necessarily determine success or failure but it can HUGELY increase the cost and effort. Now Russia has another 1600km border they have to deal with with the stupid Finns, and they will have to decide, is it cheaper to defend this huge border, or just conquer Finland. And the Finns are really too stupid or more likely their politicians have been bribed, to realize they have made Finland into a huge threat to Russia. Perhaps the cheapest way for Russia to deal with this problem now is to demand that ALL Baltic nations declare neutrality or it will start atmospeheric testing of nuclear weapons in the Baltic sea. In return for no foreign troops Russia will gurantee their security, non-interference, supply lower cost energy and gurantee protection from foreign invasion. Putin was too weak on his call, he should have told the Finnish President that joining NATO makes Finland a direct threat to Russia that Russia will have to consider how to deal with, and that no options are off the table.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun May 15, 2022 7:48 pm

    You should not smoke that shit, seriously.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun May 15, 2022 7:54 pm

    The effectiveness of the use of MANPADS against aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Ukraine fell below 10 percent.
    https://topwar.ru/196301-jeffektivnost-primenenija-pzrk-protiv-aviacii-vks-rossii-na-ukraine-upala-nizhe-10-procentov.html

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 7:58 pm

    7 US mercs killed in Rubezhnoe, according to a Chechen Rosgvardia commander there

    https://t.me/mapsukraine/707

    They were holding out at the local factory which was the last location of resistance but a major one

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 15, 2022 8:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:7 US mercs killed in Rubezhnoe, according to a Chechen Rosgvardia commander there

    https://t.me/mapsukraine/707

    They were holding out at the local factory which was the last location of resistance but a major one

    Flaming what are we to do about Finland ?

    This is quickly becoming a problem of imminent danger

    B61 bombs can be there, so what can Russia do? Should we begin lobbing missiles at Helsinki and rovaniemi?

    The question of security in Finland is now becoming such a threat to St. Petersburg, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Greater Karelia

    How does Russia approach the problem of Finland?

    We cannot compromise with Europe

    This greater European war is expanding and Russia must define the bounds of the conflict- otherwise we risk a NATO invasion threat from Finnish territory as well as posing risk to our northern radar and air defense systems
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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 8:17 pm

    Do nothing about Finland, focus on the Ukraine

    I've explained this before.

    The Ukraine war will decide the fate not only of the Ukraine, but of NATO itself and America's role in the world

    If Russia wins there, the US and its local client states such as Columbia, Israel, Jordan and Taiwan will be challenged further in the Middle East, East Asia, South America. The loyal puppet govt. which overthrew Khan in Pakistan will destabilize and an outright anti-American regime may seize power there as what happened in Iran when the Shah was overthrown. And American problems in this part of the world will multiply.
    France will be challenged in West Africa.
    Britain will be challenged by Argentina and economically squeezed by ASEAN in Singapore.
    The EU as a whole will face its next challenge in the Balkans with a Hungary that looks out for its own interests and a Serbia that wants to take back Kosovo. Support for NATO membership will drop in Bulgaria and Greece. Romania will find itself isolated by a ring of states increasingly indifferent to NATO.

    Under such conditions Washington will have other priorities than provoking Moscow in Finland, and Finland may start to hedge bets itself, you never know

    The Finland issue is as much of a meaningless distraction for Russia from the Ukraine, as the Ukraine's "Kharkov offensive" or Snake Island failed assault is from the Russian advance in the Donbass and destruction of the Azovstal' garrison

    The West by consolidating has boosted its coercion power in the world and cohesion, but if these policies don't bring about the expected Russian defeat then the sharks will really start infesting the waters with a whole line of countries in the world lining up to revise all sorts of agreements and 'understandings' with the US and its clients in Europe that they were bullied into before. And none of these states are impressed by the European and white supremacy bullshit that the Western states have suddenly started promoting as a unifying ideology.

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    Post  Hole Sun May 15, 2022 8:23 pm

    Finland has not many urban centers. And it can be hit with Kalibers and Tsirkons from the North, East and South. A few hits at Helsinki and some airports and this front would be pacified.

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    Reinforcements are coming in to the island. Not much to see for now.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 15, 2022 8:34 pm

    But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?

    Everything you said is hypothetical about all this opposition to America and the West in Asia or Latin America

    Which honestly does not concern Russia

    Finland with its proximity to the border does

    So how can you ignore such a problem?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun May 15, 2022 8:35 pm

    Ah these comments about how easy it would be to knock out finland etc, Armchair Generals at their finest no clue about war but pretend they know how to wage and knock out an entire country lol if only war was that easy and simple.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 8:40 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?

    Everything you said is hypothetical about all this opposition to America and the West in Asia or Latin America

    Which honestly does not concern Russia

    Finland with its proximity to the border does

    So how can you ignore such a problem?

    How can you ignore the problem of Latvia? Or Estonia with its proximity to St. Petersburg?

    You focus on the bigger picture and go after the meat of the matter rather than waste time with the henchmen

    Even Poland now is talking about destroying the Russian world, demilitarizing Kaliningrad, etc...
    But all it is is barking. These statements by these Polish politicians mean nothing. They're worried about Russia winning in the Ukraine, so they try to distract it. That's the long and short of it.

    The Ukraine was a henchman the entire West went all chips in on. Which actually does suit Russia fine. They put all their bets on the Ukraine, and so they'll lose all their bets too, and that will be the beginning of various problems in the world for Washington and those committed to an alliance with it.

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    Post  Arrow Sun May 15, 2022 8:44 pm

    The reservists of the republics will be dismissed from the front.

    https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/5475

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 15, 2022 8:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    I mean we have streams and streams of all kind of equipment

    And where has it gone?...


    Hopefully not all neatly lined up for another artillery barrage to get it dunno

    I must say whatever the story is with all these river crossings and the Moskva and everything else, whatever the actual casualties, there are clearly enough incompetents around in the officer corps to fill some penal battalions with. And the penal battalion is very much a practice we need to bring back. Give the LDNR and Chechens a break from being sent into to storm urban fortresses.

    Did the equipment stay in Belarus but the Eastern District troops go home?

    If so I expect they are there in case NATO does something stupid. A deterrent.
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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 8:51 pm

    flamming_python wrote:7 US mercs killed in Rubezhnoe, according to a Chechen Rosgvardia commander there

    https://t.me/mapsukraine/707

    They were holding out at the local factory which was the last location of resistance but a major one

    Not saying it's bullshit, but they killed this guy multiple times, this passport Russia posted is from April and now in the video, they are showing some kind of ID card of his.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 8:55 pm

    Regular wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:7 US mercs killed in Rubezhnoe, according to a Chechen Rosgvardia commander there

    https://t.me/mapsukraine/707

    They were holding out at the local factory which was the last location of resistance but a major one

    Not saying it's bullshit, but they killed this guy multiple times, this passport Russia posted is from April and now in the video, they are showing some kind of ID card of his.

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    He keeps respawning and always ends up pwned close to base, what can you do

    That Mexican-American dude whose ID was found in Mariupol meanwhile turned up alive Stateside. So yeah it can work both ways, luck of the draw.


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    Post  Regular Sun May 15, 2022 8:57 pm

    Arrow wrote:The reservists of the republics will be dismissed from the front.

    https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/5475

    F*cking finally!

    Send them home, enough of LARPing with WW2 equipment, and let better-armed volunteers with motivation do the fighting. There was a recent video of reservists crying about the conditions and uncertainty so I guess that played a role. They did their job anyway, and good one at that.
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    Post  PhSt Sun May 15, 2022 8:59 pm

    If ever Finland does become an official NATzO member, there is no other choice but to have it along with the Baltic chihuahua artificial states liberated and absorbed into the Russian federation. NATzO will have to be dismantled by force and its article 5 exposed as nothing more but a phony deterrent thats worth the toilet paper its written on.

    In the meantime I want to see Kharkov obliterated so that Ukrops realize that their victory in the city is shortlived attack

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 9:05 pm

    PhSt wrote:If ever Finland does become an official NATzO member, there is no other choice but to have it along with the Baltic chihuahua artificial states liberated and absorbed into the Russian federation. NATzO will have to be dismantled by force and its article 5 exposed as nothing more but a phony deterrent thats worth the toilet paper its written on.

    In the meantime I want to see Kharkov obliterated so that Ukrops realize that their victory in the city is shortlived attack

    There is no Ukrainian victory in the city and no need to obliterate it. If anyone's celebrating anything, then they are celebrating a virtual victory

    Kharkov will be handled when it's time to do so, end of

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun May 15, 2022 9:16 pm

    PhSt wrote:If ever Finland does become an official NATzO member, there is no other choice but to have it along with the Baltic chihuahua artificial states liberated and absorbed into the Russian federation. NATzO will have to be dismantled by force and its article 5 exposed as nothing more but a phony deterrent thats worth the toilet paper its written on.

    In the meantime I want to see Kharkov obliterated so that Ukrops realize that their victory in the city is shortlived attack


    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, so for this war you wish to see are you going to pick up a rifle or be a keyboard warrior.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 15, 2022 9:19 pm

    Getting there.

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    #Mariupol Update - The battle of #Mariupol and the defense of #Azovstal is likely close to its conclusion. #Russian forces are now taking ground in the main plant complex, which likely means the defenders are running out of enough ammo, manpower or both to hold the plant.

    The biggest indicator that the siege at #Mariupol and #Azovstal is almost over is the reaction of the families of #Ukrainian troops still inside the plant. Most say that the battle is nearing its end and that soldiers are saying their final goodbyes.

    Natalya, who married her husband Bohdan online in April, was asked if she will see him again: "Yes I hope so. In my mind I think there is no chance but in my heart I feel that we can save them. He said that the ring around Azovstal is getting thinner and the end will be soon."


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    Post  Isos Sun May 15, 2022 9:24 pm

    Some more isolation of Russia. A good comment on twittzr where a guy said "He is aligning to new eurasian power structure". EU is done...


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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 15, 2022 9:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    The new president of the UAE called Russia his second home

    By this he also means that Dubai is the new 2nd home of Russian oligarchs, after London has closed for business Twisted Evil

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    Post  par far Sun May 15, 2022 9:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    The new president of the UAE called Russia his second home

    By this he also means that Dubai is the new 2nd home of Russian oligarchs, after London has closed for business Twisted Evil



    I think the smart ones already had their money in Dubai and Hong Kong.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun May 15, 2022 9:50 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?

    Everything you said is hypothetical about all this opposition to America and the West in Asia or Latin America

    Which honestly does not concern Russia

    Finland with its proximity to the border does

    So how can you ignore such a problem?

    How to deal with Finland? Well any battle plan has to keep the Winter War and its still important lessons in mind. Don't attack all along the frontier. Follow Shapashnikov and Timoshenko's February offensive, attack on a narrow front as most of Finland's important government and military stuff is along the country's south and use airstrikes to take out airforce bases in the rest of the country and the war is over in a couple weeks.

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 15, 2022 9:56 pm

    ALAMO wrote:You should not smoke that shit, seriously.

    The reality is, Russia is already at war with NATO and not taking this seriously. All these people are not taking the threat of nuclear war and its danger seriously, therefore the deterrent value of nuclear weapons is declining dangerously. A harsh reminder needs to be issued or we are all in peril.

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