Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

Mir wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1
And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

I agree with Regular here. Putting additional armour on the Mi-8's will adversely effect it's performance. These are assault helicopters and they needs a fairly good level of performance. They normally do have some armour around the cockpit area which is vital against small arms.

franco wrote:Losses among the DPR army increased by a third in a week

Over the week, the losses of the DPR forces increased by 30%.

Over the past week, losses among military personnel and volunteers of the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have increased by more than a third, despite the active advancement of the DPR units in control of the territory. Data on this subject were provided by the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic, Daria Morozova.

According to official For the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 232 DPR servicemen were killed, which is 82 more than a week earlier. However, the number of wounded among the military decreased from 886 to 871 people. Thus, over the past week, the number of dead and wounded among the military personnel of the DPR amounted to 1103 people.

At the same time, the official resource of the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic reports a significantly increased number of wounded among the civilian population. Thus, according to the information provided, in the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 230 people were injured (a week earlier - 113 people), and the number of deaths was 36 people (a week earlier - 46 people).

According to official data, Russia's losses since the start of the military operation have reached 1351 servicemen.

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flamming_python wrote:
Needs to be protected from 12.7mm in the payload area (sides and bottom) from at least 500m. A thick layer of kevlar around the outside might be enough. Maybe the hull made of some different alloy will be necessary too.

Kevlar can protect from 12.7mm penetration potentially, but the impact will still release enough energy to kill a human. With a helicopter hull however, that's not as much of a problem, it can handle the stress if its built for that.

lancelot wrote:I think Russia should have improved those Donbass Militia's equipment. But I can understand that they needed to maintain surprise.

Hole wrote:

Scorpius wrote:

Sujoy wrote:We have been discussing what are the various weapons, sensors etc that the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine currently lack.

As I've mentioned recently if your platform (helicopter, tank etc) is targeted by several ATGMs, MANPADs from various angles even countermeasures will fail.

Take for instance the shooting down of the Ka-52 helos. It is quite clear from the video that countermeasures spoofed at least 1 missile out of the 3-4 missiles launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod. And yet the Ukranians were able to bring down two Ka-52s. The same applies for armoured convoys and tanks as well. Even if they had an APS it would not be able to neutralize several ATGMs fired at the tank.

U.S, U.K did not have to deal with this huge issue in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Local insurgents could at best fire one ATGM or MANPAD at a time.

I think in the very near future, we will see the Kremlin invest massively in the development of countermeasures, both hard kill and soft kill that are designed from the outset to deal with multiple incoming projectiles simultaneously.

From the pilot's interview: during the raid in Gostomel, they recorded EIGHTEEN MANPADS launches on their helicopter. After that, the helicopter was damaged, made an emergency landing, and the crew was successfully evacuated and now continues combat service. Tell me at least one example of the work of Western aviation in such conditions.

The only succesful hits were from russian made Igla missiles. Stingers are a total failure.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Odessa is part of the pontic caspian steppe

This is the easiest part to operate which is why kherson and melitopol fell quickly

It was always the first region to fall in ww2 and today

The army south flank can rest on the azov sea and black sea

Odessa is a given

But the donetsk basin, and the Dnieper offensives supercede further movements on Nikolayev and Odessa

The left bank operation can proceed once Kiev and Kharkov fall

Arkanghelsk wrote:
The left bank operation can proceed once Kiev and Kharkov fall

kvs wrote:
Kiev would be a massive waste of resources.   It needs to be fully surrounded while grinding down the regime forces
in its outskirts.   After a few weeks it will surrender.  

For now the Kiev regime is maintaining a propaganda delusion bubble with the help of the NATzO fake stream media
and regime forces still think they are not doomed to lose.   In a few weeks this bubble will burst.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
This map is of the Dnieper battle 1943, grandfather's wrote the book, our men just follow it

Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/status/1507730699054305281?s=20&t=u3Dr0LQgCiW-Mh-fmruTow

Mir wrote:

Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

Pity they got captured...

Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/status/1507730699054305281?s=20&t=u3Dr0LQgCiW-Mh-fmruTow

Werewolf wrote:

Hole wrote:

Scorpius wrote:

Sujoy wrote:We have been discussing what are the various weapons, sensors etc that the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine currently lack.

As I've mentioned recently if your platform (helicopter, tank etc) is targeted by several ATGMs, MANPADs from various angles even countermeasures will fail.

Take for instance the shooting down of the Ka-52 helos. It is quite clear from the video that countermeasures spoofed at least 1 missile out of the 3-4 missiles launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod. And yet the Ukranians were able to bring down two Ka-52s. The same applies for armoured convoys and tanks as well. Even if they had an APS it would not be able to neutralize several ATGMs fired at the tank.

U.S, U.K did not have to deal with this huge issue in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Local insurgents could at best fire one ATGM or MANPAD at a time.

I think in the very near future, we will see the Kremlin invest massively in the development of countermeasures, both hard kill and soft kill that are designed from the outset to deal with multiple incoming projectiles simultaneously.

From the pilot's interview: during the raid in Gostomel, they recorded EIGHTEEN MANPADS launches on their helicopter. After that, the helicopter was damaged, made an emergency landing, and the crew was successfully evacuated and now continues combat service. Tell me at least one example of the work of Western aviation in such conditions.

The only succesful hits were from russian made Igla missiles. Stingers are a total failure.

Do you happen to have sources or reports for this?

I am collecting all kinds of information for personal project about Attack Helicopters and haven't had enough free time to look everything up myself.

Best regards!

JohninMK wrote:The lucky ones

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