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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E 26/03/22, 06:49 pm


    I love these little Buyan-M ships. Hopefully soon all with PanzirM.

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    Post  flamming_python 26/03/22, 06:51 pm

    Mir wrote:
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    It does need good armour. Can get pelted with HMG fire on approach, as what happened on day 1
    And of course a Vitebsk system and more countermeasures can't hurt, for those Mi-8s in VDV service

    I agree with Regular here. Putting additional armour on the Mi-8's will adversely effect it's performance. These are assault helicopters and they needs a fairly good level of performance. They normally do have some armour around the cockpit area which is vital against small arms.

    Needs to be protected from 12.7mm in the payload area (sides and bottom) from at least 500m. A thick layer of kevlar around the outside might be enough. Maybe the hull reinforced with beams from the inside too.

    Kevlar can protect from 12.7mm penetration potentially, but the impact will still release enough energy to kill a human. With a helicopter hull however, that's not as much of a problem, it can handle the stress if its built for that.

    It will add a couple of tons but such helicopters will only carry troops, so you can consider the load as the kevlar + infantry. It's not above maximum load parameters.


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    Post  Mir 26/03/22, 06:53 pm

    franco wrote:Losses among the DPR army increased by a third in a week

    Over the week, the losses of the DPR forces increased by 30%.

    Over the past week, losses among military personnel and volunteers of the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have increased by more than a third, despite the active advancement of the DPR units in control of the territory. Data on this subject were provided by the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic, Daria Morozova.

    According to official For the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 232 DPR servicemen were killed, which is 82 more than a week earlier. However, the number of wounded among the military decreased from 886 to 871 people. Thus, over the past week, the number of dead and wounded among the military personnel of the DPR amounted to 1103 people.

    At the same time, the official resource of the Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People's Republic reports a significantly increased number of wounded among the civilian population. Thus, according to the information provided, in the period from March 18, 2022 to March 25, 2022, 230 people were injured (a week earlier - 113 people), and the number of deaths was 36 people (a week earlier - 46 people).

    According to official data, Russia's losses since the start of the military operation have reached 1351 servicemen.

    Подробнее на: https://avia-pro.net/news/poteri-sredi-armii-dnr-za-nedelyu-vyrosli-na-tret

    https://avia-pro.net/news/poteri-sredi-armii-dnr-za-nedelyu-vyrosli-na-tret

    Given the extremely tough environment during urban warfare these guys are doing extremely well. Heroic stuff!

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    Post  flamming_python 26/03/22, 06:58 pm

    So DNR + LNR losses can be around 1500-2000 KIA so far. More than I thought. Granted the LNR figures are probably lower, Mariupol has been the real killer.

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    Post  lancelot 26/03/22, 07:01 pm

    I think Russia should have improved those Donbass Militia's equipment. But I can understand that they needed to maintain surprise.

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    Post  Mir 26/03/22, 07:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Needs to be protected from 12.7mm in the payload area (sides and bottom) from at least 500m. A thick layer of kevlar around the outside might be enough. Maybe the hull made of some different alloy will be necessary too.

    Kevlar can protect from 12.7mm penetration potentially, but the impact will still release enough energy to kill a human. With a helicopter hull however, that's not as much of a problem, it can handle the stress if its built for that.

    Kevlar will have a hard time stopping 12.7mm. Just from what we've experienced during the South African Border War the thin skin of the Puma helicopters was actually a blessing as the small arms rounds and even heavy machine guns just cuts clean through the fuselage without causing much damage. We've had very few casualties be it helicopters or troops carried inside.

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    Post  flamming_python 26/03/22, 07:24 pm

    The latest flag parade in Odessa

    https://t.me/sheyhtamir/13380

    And this is the 3rd largest city in the Ukraine.

    Yeah. I think this one is ripe for Russian forces

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    Post  flamming_python 26/03/22, 07:31 pm

    lancelot wrote:I think Russia should have improved those Donbass Militia's equipment. But I can understand that they needed to maintain surprise.

    Their equipment is fine for the task. Same level as **most** Ukrainian equipment. AK-74s, SVDs, RPG-16s, RPG-7s, T-64BVs, T-72Bs, even some T-72B3s. BMP-1s/2s. MT-LBs. Grads. 2S1s. Some UAVs
    And now NLAWs, Javelins and Pions.

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    Post  franco 26/03/22, 07:34 pm

    Wonder if this trolling is in the Diplomatic handbook:

    https://t.me/intelslava/23616

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    Post  Werewolf 26/03/22, 07:38 pm

    Hole wrote:
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    Sujoy wrote:We have been discussing what are the various weapons, sensors etc that the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine currently lack.

    As I've mentioned recently if your platform (helicopter, tank etc) is targeted by several ATGMs, MANPADs from various angles even countermeasures will fail.

    Take for instance the shooting down of the Ka-52 helos. It is quite clear from the video that countermeasures spoofed at least 1 missile out of the 3-4 missiles launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod. And yet the Ukranians were able to bring down two Ka-52s. The same applies for armoured convoys and tanks as well. Even if they had an APS it would not be able to neutralize several ATGMs fired at the tank.

    U.S, U.K did not have to deal with this huge issue in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Local insurgents could at best fire one ATGM or MANPAD at a time.

    I think in the very near future, we will see the Kremlin invest massively in the development of countermeasures, both hard kill and soft kill that are designed from the outset to deal with multiple incoming projectiles simultaneously.

    From the pilot's interview: during the raid in Gostomel, they recorded EIGHTEEN MANPADS launches on their helicopter. After that, the helicopter was damaged, made an emergency landing, and the crew was successfully evacuated and now continues combat service. Tell me at least one example of the work of Western aviation in such conditions.

    The only succesful hits were from russian made Igla missiles. Stingers are a total failure.

    Do you happen to have sources or reports for this?

    I am collecting all kinds of information for personal project about Attack Helicopters and haven't had enough free time to look everything up myself.

    Best regards!

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    Post  kvs 26/03/22, 07:51 pm

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/36657

    They mayor of Slavutych was never "disappeared" he was in talks with the Russian forces. The photo shows him addressing a crowd
    after.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 26/03/22, 07:52 pm

    Odessa is part of the pontic caspian steppe

    This is the easiest part to operate which is why kherson and melitopol fell quickly

    It was always the first region to fall in ww2 and today

    The army south flank can rest on the azov sea and black sea

    Odessa is a given

    But the donetsk basin, and the Dnieper offensives supercede further movements on Nikolayev and Odessa

    The left bank operation can proceed once Kiev and Kharkov fall

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    Post  kvs 26/03/22, 07:56 pm

    Slew of missile attacks on Kiev regime fuel stores. In Kiev, Lvov and elsewhere. Appears they were not hit on day one
    to allow the regime to move its forces to the eastern front and now are being hit to prevent them from leaving. Another
    aspect is the civilian traffic. All the refugees in cars have already fled so taking out the fuel stores doesn't affect them
    anymore.



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    Post  kvs 26/03/22, 07:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Odessa is part of the pontic caspian steppe

    This is the easiest part to operate which is why kherson and melitopol fell quickly

    It was always the first region to fall in ww2 and today

    The army south flank can rest on the azov sea and black sea

    Odessa is a given

    But the donetsk basin, and the Dnieper offensives supercede further movements on Nikolayev and Odessa

    The left bank operation can proceed once Kiev and Kharkov fall

    Kiev would be a massive waste of resources. It needs to be fully surrounded while grinding down the regime forces
    in its outskirts. After a few weeks it will surrender.

    For now the Kiev regime is maintaining a propaganda delusion bubble with the help of the NATzO fake stream media
    and regime forces still think they are not doomed to lose. In a few weeks this bubble will burst.

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    Post  Mir 26/03/22, 08:07 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    The left bank operation can proceed once Kiev and Kharkov fall

    Just my opinion but the Russians should refrain from forcefully taking Kiev. This is a huge city and any effort to take it will be extremely costly in terms of human lives. Best to surround and siege the city and destroy heavy weapons inside with precision weapons. As soon as Mariupol falls the east will rout and disintegrate. After that Odessa should be surrounded giving the Ukrs the option to surrender or die. Hopefully by then they will choose the latter. Looking forward to visiting a revamped Novorussia! Smile

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    Post  Mir 26/03/22, 08:08 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Kiev would be a massive waste of resources.   It needs to be fully surrounded while grinding down the regime forces
    in its outskirts.   After a few weeks it will surrender.  

    For now the Kiev regime is maintaining a propaganda delusion bubble with the help of the NATzO fake stream media
    and regime forces still think they are not doomed to lose.   In a few weeks this bubble will burst.

    Great minds think alike! Wink Laughing

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    Post  Sujoy 26/03/22, 08:09 pm

    American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

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    Post  mavaff 26/03/22, 08:11 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    This map is of the Dnieper battle 1943, grandfather's wrote the book, our men just follow it

    Title of the book, please?

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    Post  Mir 26/03/22, 08:12 pm

    Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

    Pity they got captured...

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    Post  flamming_python 26/03/22, 08:13 pm

    Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces


    1-2 week old photo on the right I think

    Careful of bullshit accounts such as this one

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 26/03/22, 08:22 pm

    Cruise missiles again hitting targets all over Ukraine. Second big volley today, there was one earlier this morning.

    Preliminary reports suggest fuel depots etc, again. They've run out of primary military targets, everything major has been destroyed. Now it's secondary stuff.

    edit: Guess kvs already mentioned it.

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    Post  Firebird 26/03/22, 08:34 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces

    Pity they got captured...

    They could always "escape" and (ahem) "die in battle".
    At least Russia will treat foreign mercs particularly firmly. Esp given that they are aligned with Fascist ideology.

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    Post  ALAMO 26/03/22, 08:36 pm

    Sujoy wrote:American mercenaries (probably U.S army regular) apprehended in Ukraine by Russian forces


    This is fake.
    The guys blurred on the right are the ones taken to prison back in 2015. Givi gave them a tour around Doneck back there.

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    Post  Hole 26/03/22, 08:39 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:We have been discussing what are the various weapons, sensors etc that the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine currently lack.

    As I've mentioned recently if your platform (helicopter, tank etc) is targeted by several ATGMs, MANPADs from various angles even countermeasures will fail.

    Take for instance the shooting down of the Ka-52 helos. It is quite clear from the video that countermeasures spoofed at least 1 missile out of the 3-4 missiles launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod. And yet the Ukranians were able to bring down two Ka-52s. The same applies for armoured convoys and tanks as well. Even if they had an APS it would not be able to neutralize several ATGMs fired at the tank.

    U.S, U.K did not have to deal with this huge issue in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Local insurgents could at best fire one ATGM or MANPAD at a time.

    I think in the very near future, we will see the Kremlin invest massively in the development of countermeasures, both hard kill and soft kill that are designed from the outset to deal with multiple incoming projectiles simultaneously.

    From the pilot's interview: during the raid in Gostomel, they recorded EIGHTEEN MANPADS launches on their helicopter. After that, the helicopter was damaged, made an emergency landing, and the crew was successfully evacuated and now continues combat service. Tell me at least one example of the work of Western aviation in such conditions.

    The only succesful hits were from russian made Igla missiles. Stingers are a total failure.

    Do you happen to have sources or reports for this?

    I am collecting all kinds of information for personal project about Attack Helicopters and haven't had enough free time to look everything up myself.

    Best regards!

    Numerous people on Twitter. Both sides. Orcs complaining that Stinger is shit and useless. Remember that the west is sending some really old stuff. Could be that or Vitebsk is better suited to deal with Stinger. There were a lot of Igla missiles found by russian forces in Ukro fortifications/bases. Maybe the soldiers are better trained to use Iglas or the missiles are younger.

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    Post  Ispan 26/03/22, 08:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The lucky ones




    Please confirm. Is this a new surrender? Because a few days ago there was the surrender of a major and a command post of sixty people, mostly officers, from the 14th Brigade.

    Just want to make sure it's not a repeat of the same story, as the number is similar, though this time somebody pointed to a foto of a lieutenant colonel, somebody with a two pip rank insignia.

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