Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

A-50 and Il-22PP over Gomel.

I think the Polish army may enter 'unofficially' into the Ukraine, not as part of NATO - and this will be a big problem, because they will be engaged

They will learn the same lesson others before them have learned... that Brit wasn't some call of duty kid, he was experienced military guy... just not experienced with a war with Russians who know what they are doing and are properly supported, fighting for a side that is not properly supported or trained.

Compare this with how the NATO/US troops treat civilians.

The Russians supply aid and assistance to the people, while western troops never see the billions of dollars transferred to the 1% of Americans that make such huge profits in the wars they fight and die in.

There is still people thinking nato gives a shit about Ukraine ? Impressive how dumb they are. So dumb they think Poland would attack russian forces for some ukrainians that they share nothing with.

Or maybe they are smelling the direction of the prevailing wind and want troops on the ground so they can claim some territory for Poland in case the Ukraine ends up federalised...

And these mercs are just casual idiots. Like they're on safari against Afghans

Even Afghans can be dangerous game... they even got the Americans to leave... and they never leave... ask the Germans or the Japs or the Cubans...

Paging Garry...........................

What are the comparative merits of the Mil Mi 28 and the Kamov Ka 52? It's one better than the other and what purpose they serve

Depends on the model, but both of the newest models of both are pretty much state of the art with night and all weather capability, the Kamov has its radar in the nose, while the Havoc has a radar above the mast in a ball.

Both are well protected, the Mi-28 probably better protected than the Kamov but the Kamov had better electronics and longer ranged missiles (Vikhr vs Ataka).

They now use the same weapons, and can both engage targets out to very long range.

The Havoc is a more Apache like helicopter, while the Hokum is probably slightly better, but the Hokum is more expensive than the Havoc.

The coaxial rotors means the hokum can point its nose at targets to the side or even behind while moving at speed, which is a neat trick and quite useful in real combat.

Both are very capable... the side by side arrangement means the crew of the Hokum are better able to communicate and work together, while the traditional arrangment of the Havoc means both crew are very well protected from enemy fire... there is a test video on line showing a 14.5mm HMG round being fired into the side canopy transparency from about 5m range... even just standard ball rounds for the 14.5mm HMG have twice the kinetic energy of a 50 cal browning HMG... the Browning has about 16 thousand kilojules of energy, while the 14.5mm has 32 thousand... an SVD rifle bullet has about 2 and a half thousand.

From what I understood, the Mi 28 has better avionics than the Apache, and more capable of night flying, I find it hard to believe I am sure the Apache had upgrades along.

The night capability of the Apache is very good, the Mi-28 has radar autopilot low level flying which makes it safer.

The Havoc is about 2 tons heavier but also has rather more engine power and is much easier to support and operate, but both are very good platforms, the Apache was the mature system which is why India picked it, but with the Mi-28NM I think the new Havocs probably are the better platforms... their basic missiles are much much cheaper and also probably more effective than Hellfires and the 30mm cannon is very much more powerful and has AP and HE rounds in separate belts with selection being a switch on the controls.

Also if I understood the article correctly, the helicopters now fly at night because portable SAMs can't be fired at dark? Surprising! I thought the Stingers and at all aimed by infrared, of course you first have to spot the helicopter to aim the launcher, so it makes sense.

MANPADS work at night but are harder to use effectively, and the capable radar and IIR optics tend to make spotting targets much easier for the helicopter because there are no IR distractions like sunlight on rocks or buildings etc etc.

I'd say at least 15k Ukrainian dead, probably closer to 20k. And this shit saddens me, because at the end of the day it's Russia who started the conflict and even then, it could have gone a different way if our command wasn't short-sighted.

I suspect the people of the LNR and DNR disagree with you... there was no end in sight for them, but now the end is in their hands and they can fight back properly... and the squealing of the west only makes it sweeter because they clearly thought they had this in the bag and Russia was not going to fight back and risk getting cut of from the west.

This is how dead foreign mercenaries are treated by the Nazis and the Ukrainians.

Bet you that wasn't on the brochure when they signed up...

One thing regarding them, that I've seen multiple times is the curious use of unguided rockets in indirect fire. That is, launching them at extended ranges, pointing above the intended target, with ballistic drop in mind. Haven't yet seen any information about whether the FCS computers calculate for this type of utilization, or if it's done by "feel".

I would suggest after the rockets are selected and the target area is lased to get the range to the target area then an aiming pipper will appear on the HUD or helmet mounted sight which means the pilot can raise the nose to put the aiming crosshair on the target and launch rockets.... the ballistic performance of the rockets are already part of the calculation and are fairly consistent... it is not something you would do to hit a specific vehicle or other point target, but a group of enemy infantry moving forward in a well spread out group would be an ideal target for such a strike... the further away the bigger the spread of rockets which is what you need for an area target...

In fact having all your rockets land in the same place is the opposite of what you want... a good spread of rockets in the area around the point of aim is what you need and require in such a situation.

On the subject of firing rockets at high angle tho. It's a Soviet era tactic.

From modern helicopters with ballistics computers and laser range finders it is rather more effective and less hit and miss so to speak.

Took her too long to finally bite the big one, but at least she got so see the end of the hegemony that she helped create. Indeed, "I think the half million dead Iraki children were worth it". The miserable c**t should be a turd stuck in satan's ass for eternity and a day.

Who knew Senator Palpatine had a sister though...

Yep it's just very vulnerable to AT weapons.

Vulnerable to small arms fire with AP rounds... that is why they developed the Terminator.... tank level protection with SPAAG level fire power.

Retarded chimp Stoltenberg has screeched that Russia cannot win a nuclear war.

Which is not to say they would lose...

If Western sanctions are going to destroy the Russian economy... why not start a nuclear war...

Obviously Putin knows there are no winners in a nuke war but the west thinks they can win...

I have to ask the corollary, does that idiot think NATO can win a nuclear war? If it gets to that, most of us -especially those who live in urban areas and/or near government or military bases are going to be very dead.

He is an appointed European official... he thinks what Washington tells him to think.

@Auslander, cruel news... the worst torture for anyone is to outlive their children.
Take solace that they were fighting the good fight against real evil and that they mattered.

My thoughts are with you and yours in this difficult time.

Firebird wrote:Russia needs to bomb that place to smithereens even if its directly on the Slovak border.

Target practice

Russia is doing a lot of weird things in this war.

In the LNR northern borders its trench warfare, in the DNR northern borders its a methodical advance, whereas the Russian grouping could have tried to encircle that whole Ukrainian Donbass concentration of forces earlier

In Mariupol you don't seem to have Ka-52s or Mi-28Ns used, Ukrainian tanks are firing in the streets still, when they could have been taken out at range with Vikhrs

The initial set of Chechens sent to Mariupol weren't equipped for urban fighting at all, although it seems they were reinforced with veterans from Chechnya later on.

In Izyum, Irpen, heavy battles - but again seemingly a lack of Russian bombing. I think in Izyum the Ukrainians were holding a hill with concealed artillery positions.

So Russia is like giving different troops experience with different types of warfare.

And maybe that goes for its anti-air and fighters too

auslander wrote:     We have two sons and two daughters serving in DLNR. Our son has died of his wounds. One daughter is badly wounded, the orcs mortared her field hospital again despite it being clearly labeled as a Hospital. She will not survive, the orc wounded soldier she was protecting with her body will live but will lose an arm. My wife is beyond distraught, we have lost half our children in one day.
    Nanny has arrived to take care of our four leg children and our youngest little girl. We have armed guards outside our gates. Media have been informed that our street is forbidden to them and the usual 'no photos no interviews' gig is in effect. Neighbor women are sitting with VCO all night. Computer will stay on for Nanny. I will not be here until after our two children are brought to us and put to rest. Funerals will be private with full military honors. Needless to say, our youngest girl will not be in school for the time being.

Auslander out.

So sorry to hear that auslander. You are heroes to all of us

flamming_python wrote:
How many were neutralized by ATGMs? As opposed to T-64s, BTR-4s, etc...?

More than 150 Russian armored vehicles including tanks, BTRs etc have been destroyed by Ukranian ATGMs.

ATGMs have their role, but the vids I've seen have them used in ambush positions against lone convoys or recon platoons

This was the case back in Iraq as well. U.S tanks were ambushed regardless of whether there was just a lone tank or there was a convoy. Eventually we introduced a Tank Urban Survival Kit (TUSK) for tanks. The TUSK includes add-on explosive reactive armor, fitted to side skirts. It provides protection against RPG rounds. A slat armor is added to the hull rear. It also provides protection against RPG rounds.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tusk.htm

We also improved drastically our situation awareness abilities.  All this in a country half way across the world and not across the border. Russia clearly has not learnt the lessons of fighting in an Urban environment. Tanks lack situational awareness, APS, cage armor and Nakidka camouflage system.

Dozens of armored vehicles gone, thousands of Russian conscripts gone and the ass fucked gits of this forum (mostly non resident Russians) are in denial that this is how terrible their special operation has been till date.

We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

RTN wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
How many were neutralized by ATGMs? As opposed to T-64s, BTR-4s, etc...?

More than 150 Russian armored vehicles including tanks, BTRs etc have been destroyed by Ukranian ATGMs.

ATGMs have their role, but the vids I've seen have them used in ambush positions against lone convoys or recon platoons

This was the case back in Iraq as well. U.S tanks were ambushed regardless of whether there was just a lone tank or there was a convoy. Eventually we introduced a Tank Urban Survival Kit (TUSK) for tanks. The TUSK includes add-on explosive reactive armor, fitted to side skirts. It provides protection against RPG rounds. A slat armor is added to the hull rear. It also provides protection against RPG rounds.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/tusk.htm

We also improved drastically our situation awareness abilities.  All this in a country half way across the world and not across the border. Russia clearly has not learnt the lessons of fighting in an Urban environment. Tanks lack situational awareness, APS, cage armor and Nakidka camouflage system.

Dozens of armored vehicles gone, thousands of Russian conscripts gone and the ass fucked gits of this forum (mostly non resident Russians) are in denial that this is how terrible their special operation has gone.

We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

Except Russia has less than a quarter of the casualties US suffered in all Iraq

Not only that, the US failed to secure the ground and the places they were in were taken the day after they left, meaning they never controlled the ground or eliminated the enemy

Double for Afghanistan

The difference is Russia will leave behind a functional Ukrainian government that won't collapse like ANA and ISAF did

So the operation is a success, it isn't a failure until they're swinging from the c130s you left behind and they're guarding you as you run from the airport

The ass fucked gits of the West are crying because they couldn't hold on to 1 airport and receive ballistic missiles over their heads daily

The non resident trolls also cry that the US doesn't help them

Which is in fact why the US is too scared to do anything to Russia, it's better to harp from Reddit then to admit you cannot fight the #1 military power in the world

Russian Defense Ministry
Russian Defense Ministry briefing (24.03.2022)

️ The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to perform the tasks of a special military operation. By the morning of March 24, Russian army units had completely taken control of the city of Izyum Kharkiv region.

In the evening of March 23 and on the night of March 24, military facilities of the Ukrainian armed forces were attacked with long-range precision weapons of sea and air basing.

As a result of the strikes, 13 anti-aircraft missile launchers were destroyed, including nine S-300s and four Buk-M1 missiles in the village of Danilovka, to the southOF KIEV, compound headquarters and missile and artillery armament depot in the village of BAKHMUT Donetsk region, as well as a temporary location of the nationalist battalion in the city of Lysychansk.

Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 60 military facilities of Ukraine overnight. Among them: two command posts, two multiple launch rocket systems, four ammunition depots, 47 areas of accumulation of weapons and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russian air defense systems destroyed 2 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near the settlements of STARAYA Markovka and Kharkiv.

Total Since the beginning of the special military operation, 257 unmanned aerial vehicles, 202 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,572 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 160 multiple rocket launchers, 633 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,379 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

The Russian Defense Ministry continues to study documents received from employees of Ukrainian biological laboratories about secret US military biological activities in Ukraine.

Experts of the Russian radiation, chemical and biological protection forces have revealed new facts that prove the direct involvement of the US Department of Defense in the development of biological weapons components in Ukraine.

We will submit original documents in the near future demonstrating that the biological project "Yu-Pi-2", which we have already described, was developed and approved specifically at the Pentagon. The main goal of this project was to conduct a molecular analysis of particularly dangerous infections endemic to Ukraine. This work involved taking samples of the pathogen in old cattle burials in order to obtain new anthrax strains.

However, the Pentagon's experiments were not limited to the development of dangerous infections. So, for example, a pharmaceutical company contracted by the US Department of Defense, according to the documents received, worked with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to conduct tests of unregistered medical products on Ukrainian servicemen. We will discuss these and other documented facts at a special briefing in the near future.

We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.[/quote]

Garry, this is too much and your reaction is needed ! This faggot is obviously fascist..

You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

They do burn as well, and have poor mobility

You can binge watch burning m1 Abrams in Yemen

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:Russia needs to bomb that place to smithereens even if its directly on the Slovak border.

Target practice

Russia is doing a lot of weird things in this war.

In the LNR northern borders its trench warfare, in the DNR northern borders its a methodical advance, whereas the Russian grouping could have tried to encircle that whole Ukrainian Donbass concentration of forces earlier

In Mariupol you don't seem to have Ka-52s or Mi-28Ns used, Ukrainian tanks are firing in the streets still, when they could have been taken out at range with Vikhrs

The initial set of Chechens sent to Mariupol weren't equipped for urban fighting at all, although it seems they were reinforced with veterans from Chechnya later on.

In Izyum, Irpen, heavy battles - but again seemingly a lack of Russian bombing. I think in Izyum the Ukrainians were holding a hill with concealed artillery positions.

So Russia is like giving different troops experience with different types of warfare.

And maybe that goes for its anti-air and fighters too

I think its hard to extract too much at this stage.
The old Sun Tzu "look weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak" may be in force.

I know in Soviet times, troops were certainly sacrificed and put into calculations quite coldly even. As did the West.

But in the modern era, I think Russia has been acting with caution and patience. In the modern era, Russia doesn't want to puts it(inc Donbass) troops at too much risk. Or friendly/neutral civilians at risk. Even enemy civilians.

What I can't work out is why Russia didn't do more 8 yrs ago.
Of course Russia is stronger today.
But sadly, the Orcs have had 8 yrs of rearming and 8 yrs of vile propaganda too.

Podlodka77 wrote:We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

Garry, this is too much and your reaction is needed ! This faggot is obviously fascist.. [/quote]

I'm trying to figure out what "RTN" stands for...?

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/03/i-know-it-hurts-but.html
Short look at casualty numbers

Firebird wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Firebird wrote:Russia needs to bomb that place to smithereens even if its directly on the Slovak border.

Target practice

Russia is doing a lot of weird things in this war.

In the LNR northern borders its trench warfare, in the DNR northern borders its a methodical advance, whereas the Russian grouping could have tried to encircle that whole Ukrainian Donbass concentration of forces earlier

In Mariupol you don't seem to have Ka-52s or Mi-28Ns used, Ukrainian tanks are firing in the streets still, when they could have been taken out at range with Vikhrs

The initial set of Chechens sent to Mariupol weren't equipped for urban fighting at all, although it seems they were reinforced with veterans from Chechnya later on.

In Izyum, Irpen, heavy battles - but again seemingly a lack of Russian bombing. I think in Izyum the Ukrainians were holding a hill with concealed artillery positions.

So Russia is like giving different troops experience with different types of warfare.

And maybe that goes for its anti-air and fighters too

I think its hard to extract too much at this stage.
The old Sun Tzu "look weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak" may be in force.

I know in Soviet times, troops were certainly sacrificed and put into calculations quite coldly even. As did the West.

But in the modern era, I think Russia has been acting with caution and patience. In the modern era, Russia doesn't want to puts it(inc Donbass) troops at too much risk. Or friendly/neutral civilians at risk. Even enemy civilians.

What I can't work out is why Russia didn't do more 8 yrs ago.
Of course Russia is stronger today.
But sadly, the Orcs have had 8 yrs of rearming and 8 yrs of vile propaganda too.

What part of NATO is holding a summit and drills do none of you understand

This operation is encompassing economical concerns, and removal of weapons from NATO sites And moving back to 1997

Biden and the summit was held to establish a protocol for what happens when Russia flames Poland

Not only that, Russia issued an ultimatum weeks before this to get no NATO expansion order

The response was no.

So you have operation Z

Firebird wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

Garry, this is too much and your reaction is needed ! This faggot is obviously fascist..

I'm trying to figure out what "RTN" stands for...?[/quote]

I can only hope Putin could achieve half of what Stalin achieved in the Great Patriotic War. After that war, and for 40+ years after that you might have hated Russia but you did not mess with Russia. Also, Stalin's forces crushed nazism and tore the reich in half. So yeah, if Putin achieves what Stalin did in WWII (and here I will call it the Great Patriotic War because well, Jonathan House [who collaborated with Col. David Glantz] said it best, the victors get to name the war and the Soviets called it The Great Patriotic War), then there won't be any more NATO and we will have decades of peace.

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

auslander wrote:     We have two sons and two daughters serving in DLNR. Our son has died of his wounds. One daughter is badly wounded, the orcs mortared her field hospital again despite it being clearly labeled as a Hospital. She will not survive, the orc wounded soldier she was protecting with her body will live but will lose an arm. My wife is beyond distraught, we have lost half our children in one day.
    Nanny has arrived to take care of our four leg children and our youngest little girl. We have armed guards outside our gates. Media have been informed that our street is forbidden to them and the usual 'no photos no interviews' gig is in effect. Neighbor women are sitting with VCO all night. Computer will stay on for Nanny. I will not be here until after our two children are brought to us and put to rest. Funerals will be private with full military honors. Needless to say, our youngest girl will not be in school for the time being.

Auslander out.

Auslander, this is so hard to believe and I’m so sorry. Let the memories provide comfort in your journey through this loss.

Please accept my deepest sympathies to you and your family.

RTN wrote:

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

US were facing t-55, rpg-7 and hand grenade manned by civilians guerilla with no training as main anti-tank weapons.

Give those iraqi thousands of suicide drones, Javelins, modern rpg-7V2, kornet missiles as well as russian satelitte data and train them for 5 years on them and you would see destroyed abrams everywhere.

RTN wrote:

We at least brought back every single dead US soldier from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm quite confident that the bastards at Kremlin won't even bother to do that, because for them Ukraine is just a theater where they can offload the unwanted citizens of their country....much like what their role model Stalin achieved during World War II.

I would have not noticed your absolute bullshit if you where not quoted by someone else.
As you are on my ignore list for an while.

You know absolutely nothing about War. Armchair general.
Maybe spend less time on the MSM cocaine and go look for Russian sources how they handle their dead and injured.

Don't get me started about the U.S Troops being "precious" to their own government.

I saw multiple times American troops crying in some corner in deployment because they just kept being redeployed from Iraq to Afghanistan and back again.
Suicide rates of troops coming back to the U.S are trough the roof in the tens of thousands since 9/11?.
Troops that get back injured from War, get patched up in an hospital and wheeled out to fend for themselves.

Americans and their fake "appreciation" for their troops.....

Agreed, with Podlodka. Time for some admin attention for this one.

RTN wrote:

Regular wrote:You can't compare local conflict with conventional, RTN. Are you that stupid? US tanks would burn just as well from threats Russians are facing, Tusk would mean nothing when facing top of the range Ukrainian domestic ATGMs, not to mention top attack ones.

Not as stupid as you dickhead. You can't even construct a sentence. What does this even mean "compare local conflict with conventional"??? What is local conflict? Why are you so dense that you don't even realize that a local conflict has always been conventional?

We had the entire Iraqi population against us. Iran was throwing thousands of its citizens and soldiers at us. Yet we achieved our objectives of occupying Iraq.

GARRY, its to much !

Just ignore the fuckwit