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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:45 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Ispan wrote:I know there's probably a thread or part of the forum for this, but humor me.

    What are the comparative merits of the Mil Mi 28 and the Kamov Ka 52? It's one better than the other and what purpose they serve

    I read this article but didn't understand much,

    https://topwar.ru/193835-udarnyj-vertolet-mi-28n-poprobujte-pokritikovat.html

    I am afraid my level of knowledge ended at the end of Cold War and I have a hard time following up modern tech

    From what I understood, the Mi 28 has better avionics than the Apache, and more capable of night flying, I find it hard to believe I am sure the Apache had upgrades along.

    All helicopters look the same to me, I only look at guns and weapon pods, I tend to overlook things like speed and range.

    One question, is the good old Mi-24 Krokodil still in use in modernized versions, or it has been retired out of service?

    It seems to me helicopters aren't being used for close air support, but rather on interdiction strikes along roads.

    Also if I understood the article correctly, the helicopters now fly at night because portable SAMs can't be fired at dark? Surprising! I thought the Stingers and at all aimed by infrared, of course you first have to spot the helicopter to aim the launcher, so it makes sense.

    In short: consider the Mi-28N as a long-range archer - hunter of armored vehicles. The Ka-52 is a universal reconnaissance and attack helicopter, the Mi-24 and Mi-35 are "flying armored personnel carriers".
    Each of these helicopters is now part of the Russian army aviation in the amount of 100-150 units according to official data.

    I would add that in my opinion the mi-24/35 is a general purpose attack helicopter with added bonus of troops transport. Although it's not often used as such. The true APC of the Heli world is Mi-8/17 a troop transport with a few rocket pods on the side. What was stated on the mi-28 and Ka-52 is correct. In my opinion if I was only allowed one Heli in the armed forces it would be the Mi-24/35 a jack of all trades and a combat tested and tried Heli remained pretty much the same over the decades the newer upgrades make it more deadly and all weather. A very versatile Heli.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:45 pm

    Ispan wrote:good night

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/03/23/parte-de-guerra-23-03-2022-informes-y-cronicas/

    Thanks again and due to popular vote here is the Yandex version.

    Part of war 03/23/2022 reports and chronicles
    23 March, 2022 Zhukov

    General situation: The pause in operations continues while reinforcements arrive and men and material accumulate for new operations. Sieges of the encircled cities, fighting of positions, air strikes continue.... and hundreds of dead and wounded per day and the horrors and sufferings of war

    Enemy advances and losses

    Pause in operations - war correspondent Sladkov.

    This is not a forced stop, but a planned stop. For what? Look, the troops moved for a whole month, and this was the introduction of troops, the breaking of enemy defense lines and intensive advance to predetermined lines.

    This was the formation and transfer of reserves, these were the movement of columns along complex, more or less safe routes, and those long and difficult to pass. This was the formation of many LDPs (temporary deployment points), engineering activities (fortification and mine clearance).

    It is necessary to rest, receive supplies, new officers and specialists, including flight personnel, to replace the wounded and dead, repair and replace equipment, carry ammunition, provisions, medicines, understand the tasks and voila!!!

    We still have many glorious things to do. And behind us is the bloodiest and most difficult, even psychological, period that we have passed with dignity. We do everything absolutely right.

    Strelkov's opinion: for what it may be worth. Everything is going badly, we have to go to total mobilization ... etc it is always good to have a critical opinion.

    About the situation on the front 22 March - Igor Strelkov:

    Donetsk Region: heavy fighting in Mariupol, in the Ugledar area (until last night it had not been taken, contrary to official reports, on the basis of which I wrote and talked about its occupation), in Maryinka and its environs, in the Verkhnetoretsky area, in the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk agglomeration, in the Izyum area and in the city itself. Yesterday, the enemy front was not broken or significantly receded.

    The DPR Armed Forces are gradually advancing everywhere, but the enemy also regularly strikes back. And if everything goes on like this, by the middle of April, the "personnel" of the Donetsk Militia (to a lesser extent, in the Lugansk militia but the situation is not much different) there will simply be no one left. And with completely inexperienced mobilized reservists (who are also thrown into battle, with corresponding losses), you will not gain much. If this is understood by the Russian command, which continues to launch frontal attacks with the Donetsk infantry day after day, it is difficult for me to answer. The enemy also suffers very heavy losses, but his mobilization reserve is much more significant, many times more. But next are the fortified areas of the enemy rear in Kurakhovo, Bakhmut, Soledar and the agglomerations of Slavyansk - Kramatorsk-Druzhkovka-Konstantinovka, which are no less fortified and extremely inconvenient for assault. And some of them are already occupied by enemy garrisons preparing for defense.

    I would like to recall that during the imperial and Soviet times, conscripted military personnel received at least minimal instruction and accoutrements or before being sent to the front. And the tank crews, gunners, sappers and transmission personnel (etc.)- came to the front already trained in their military profession to a sufficient extent. Otherwise, they would not have been able to fight. I don't know anything about the creation of such units in the republics (in other words, they don't exist, if they were, I would know). And the war has been going on for many years now. And if an infantryman can still be thrown into battle in the hope that "he will learn everything in a couple of days, if he survives," then it is unclear who will be put behind the levers of combat vehicles when "all the veterans are out of combat." IN ADDITION, VOLUNTEERS FROM THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS THE border. Often, even those who want to take a position in specific military units. At the same time, it is the "border authorities of the LDNR" who do not let through. Why this is done and for what purpose, we can only guess…

    Near Nikolaev and south of Krivoy Rog there were also persistent battles, the operational outcome of which I do not know. Judging by the lack of victory reports, Russian troops have not been very successful there. The same photo-near Kiev.
    From Chernihiv to Kharkov: battles and skirmishes of local importance. The front line has not changed.

    It is quite possible that in the coming weeks a "new front" will open to the west of Kiev. This is evidenced by the feverish preparation by the Poles of their "expeditionary corps" to participate in the fighting in western Ukraine. I warned them from the very beginning about the possibility of such a step by our "dear Western partners" if the Russian army does not achieve decisive success during the first weeks of the "special operation". Whether the Poles will decide to intervene in the war, or not, we will find out soon.

    I can't tell you much of what I know in detail.

    There is still no mobilization and it is not even known about its preparation. And without it, this war cannot be won. However, I do not rule out that completely different plans are being hatched to a victory in the depths of the Ministry of Defense.

    Or where you are sitting, comfortable and still quite safe), they continue to deceive and not only themselves, but also the "supreme" (Putin) with illusions that "the enemy is about to flee, the planes and missiles will do their job and there will be no need to strive beyond the present."

    YESTERDAY

    Report of the Dnepropetrovsk partisans (Russian resistance)



    [22.03.2022] [18:20] A powerful attack by the Russian Armed Forces destroyed the Pavlograd railway station, one of the largest supply centers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbas. The railway tracks and tracks were destroyed. 15 freight cars derailed. Traffic through the station is suspended indefinitely.

    [22.03.2022] [17:32] The occupation authorities of Dnepropetrovsk in their daily statements try to assure citizens that there is no looting in the city and the region. Meanwhile, residents of the region actively upload videos of massacres of captured looters to the network. Just for today: on Dneprostalevskaya Street in Dnepropetrovsk, a man took out a metal sign near the checkpoint of the Interpipe plant, a woman who stole money was caught near the bus station; in Kryvyi Rih, in one of the shops of the Ternovsky district, two men were caught stealing six packs of butter, in addition, residents of Kryvyi Rih caught a looter who committed apartment robberies.

    [22.03.2022] [15:18] In the Dnipropetrovsk region, a marathon organized by the National Police, called "Catching a Spy", continues. Thus, eight other residents of the region were victims of the bloody repression of the occupation authorities.

    [22.03.2022] [14: 10] In Dnepropetrovsk, in the Mechnikov hospital, a large number of wounded. There is a serious shortage of medicines, beds and clothes. A similar situation is also typical for other medical institutions of the city.

    [22.03.2022] [12:24] Apparently, in the Dnipropetrovsk region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National battalions decided to take the baton of shelling their own cities and villages. Thus, the war criminal Sasha Vilkul reported that allegedly Russian troops fired on residential areas of Zelenodolsk and Malaya Kostroma. According to the results of the shelling, there were no casualties among the Armed Forces of Ukraine or among the civilian population. But there is damage to buildings and social infrastructure. According to the statement of the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Prosecutor's Office of Occupation, there are no military installations on this territory. We remind you that it makes no sense for the Russian army to fire on residential areas where there are no military installations and armed formations of Ukraine. Apparently, the population is not particularly in a hurry to provide trucks and toyotas to war criminals Gena Korban and Sana Vilkul, so they urgently needed to create a picture of the "Russian aggression" so that the residents of the region would become more obedient.

    [03.22.2022] [10:40] The mass laying of mines in the vicinity of Kryvyi Rih has begun to bear fruit. In the morning, a car with civilians was blown up on one of these barriers. The occupation authorities of the Dnipropetrovsk region immediately announced that the car was occupied not by civilians, but by the Russian DRG. Similarly, the Nazis are trying not only to evade responsibility for what happened, but also to justify the fact that indiscriminate mining is a great danger to civilians.

    TODAY - various reports

    03:19 Chernigov

    Message from Chernigovfrom local residents:
    "The mayor of the city Vladislav Atroshenko set the task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Assembly not to let civilians out. To prevent this, the road to Kiev is mined. Local residents are calling on the administration to hand over the city, but the authorities have begun a purge among the malcontents. They are not going to surrender the city. Meanwhile, there are a lot of patients among civilians, there are no medicines, medical care is not provided, all hospitals are full of wounded militants.»

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Why do I say we did not lead to a world war?
    The West is playing with the abyss in Ukraine. They take it as a mere "influence game" to **** with Putin but they do not understand that for Russia it is an existential problem.
    Now, what do the global elite want? Because in the event of a nuclear war and world escalation they too will be annihilated. There will be no world for them.

    I think the Polish army may enter 'unofficially' into the Ukraine, not as part of NATO - and this will be a big problem, because they will be engaged

    Poles are going to be for it, because there they have likely been persuaded into a narrative where half the Russian army has been taken out by Ukrainian anti-tank teams by now

    The only way Poland could ever get involved would be to send troops in as mercs, the only issue with that is they would be entering unarmed be issued weapons if there is anyeft in the burnt out warehouses, and they wouldn't be turning up with Polish armour, artillery etc. And I not sure polish troops would be happy about that. And of course they will most likely be targeted by kalibur and kinzhal a d turned into Polish sausage. And then polish hierarchy will have a lot of explaining to do that 1,000's of polish troops ended up dead in Ukraine under the guise of mercs with no air support, etc etc. The poles won't enter Ukraine.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:55 pm

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    23mm guns never get old!

    Can't beat zsu-23-4 in ground support role Twisted Evil ideal for blocks of tall apartment blocks and hosing down light armour/soft skinned vehicles. I never seen a radar present so it's likely they brought it along for ground support only rather than AD. Although I don't think Ukraine has much left in the air apart from a handful of drones lol.

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    Post  diabetus Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:58 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 26 Foiqck10[/url]
    23mm guns never get old!

    Can't beat zsu-23-4 in ground support role Twisted Evil ideal for blocks of tall apartment blocks and hosing down light armour/soft skinned vehicles. I never seen a radar present so it's likely they brought it along for ground support only rather than AD. Although I don't think Ukraine has much left in the air apart from a handful of drones lol.

    Yep it's just very vulnerable to AT weapons.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:10 am

    Hint hint Biden also said something very similar

    Any use of chemical weapons would totally change the nature of the conflict" in Ukraine and "have far-reaching consequences" per @NATO's @jensstoltenberg

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:11 am

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    Britain will supply Ukraine with 6,000 anti-tank missiles and high-explosive fragmentation systems, and allocate £ 25 million for military needs - RIA Novosti.

    London has already sent more than 4,000 NLAW and Javelin ATGMs to Kiev. "The Kingdom will, together with its allies, increase military and economic support for Ukraine," Prime Minister Johnson said.

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    The United States plans to begin deliveries to Ukraine this week as part of the largest $ 800 million military aid package, a senior Pentagon official said.

    According to him, the delivery of separate military aid to Ukraine will require many transport flights "during many days". The planes land in the countries of neighboring Ukraine, from where weapons and ammunition are delivered by trucks to the country.



    the Russian army fired a missile from the operational-tactical missile system "Iskander" to Artyemovsk, where a large Ukrainian military base is located.



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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:20 am

    billybatts91 wrote:
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    PURE EVIL, REST FOREVER IN HELL !!!!!  

    I would literally piss on this hags' grave if I could. **** her, may she rest in piss!

    In a few years time I may just have to take a massive shit on her headstone. Although as a Christian I must ask, does Satan really have to deal with her as a house mate for all eternity?

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:29 am

    Excuse me if it was already posted:

    Rostislav Ishchenko on “will Poland invade the western Ukraine?”


    Question: do you believe that Poland will send forces into the Ukraine?

    No, I don’t think the US is giving conflicting instructions to Kiev. The fact is that when we are negotiating with Ukraine, we are, in fact, indirectly negotiating with the United States. Because, it is clear that we are fighting not with Zelensky, but with the United States, now, on the territory of Ukraine. The United States is at war with us to the last Ukrainian, but the United States is at war nonetheless. Therefore, when we offer surrender to Zelensky, we offer it to Zelensky, and in response, through the mouth of Zelensky, the United States offers us to surrender. They say: “Well, you withdraw troops from Ukraine, clear the Crimea and Donbass, return them to Ukraine, and then we’ll talk.” So, it is clear that Zelensky himself cannot put forward such demands, they are simply absurd.

    Therefore, in this case, since two global forces are fighting each other, the demands are practically global. These are political demands to each other for unconditional surrender. It is clear that such requirements can only be met if one of the parties has won on the battlefield. Completely won. Not in Melitopol, Mariupol, there, or even in Kharkov, but completely won on the battlefield. That’s when something can grow out of this, out of these requirements. Therefore, now it does not matter whether you conduct these negotiations or you can not conduct them – this is already a field of Russian diplomacy.

    The fact is that a long time ago, a decade, or even two decades ago, the United States entered into a systemic crisis. That is, the system built – political, military, economic, financial – has ceased to correspond to the realities of the modern world. At first, it was not entirely noticeable … many people generally denied that the United States could ever enter into a crisis, and so on .. But gradually these crisis phenomena grew, and Obama was already going to the polls with a statement that the United States was in crisis and reforms must be carried out. Then Trump went to the polls with the same thing. Then Biden came and practically announced that he would implement Trump’s program because the United States needed to carry out reforms in a crisis.

    The fact is that the United States is not in a position to reform the economy now. In order to reform the economy it is necessary, as they advised us and everyone else in the early nineties, to go through shock therapy. That is, without shock, it is impossible to rebuild. This means that a huge number of Americans will sharply lose their standard of living for some period of time, and if, for example, in the 2000s, it was about the fact that changes can be made there, say, in 2, 3, 5 years, then now we are not talking about this, now we are talking about the fact that this will continue for decades, that you can go into a New Great Depression and it is not known when you will be able to get out of it. Naturally, the United States is afraid of this and does not want to, because a sharp drop in living standards leads to social instability and actually calls into question the existence of the American state, at least in the form in which we know it. That is, it can be preserved in some other form, but with other people at the head, with other families as a leading and guiding force, there with other parties, and so on. Naturally, the ruling circles of the United States do not want this at all. In order to maintain the status quo, the United States must maintain hegemony in any way, which means that even if this world is half destroyed, the United States must be the hegemon. I mean, it will be bad in the United States, but everyone else in the world should be even worse.

    Therefore, the United States choses the way of confrontations. They cannot make an agreement, because they cannot yield.So if you have to yield, you are no longer the hegemon. If you are not a hegemon, you cannot divert other people’s resources to maintain the welfare of your citizens. If you can’t do this, then you start to crumble. So they follow the path of confrontation on the following principle: “Hey, guys, of course we understand that we are already not a hegemon. However, if you dare not to recognize us as such, we will start a war and it will be worse for you. So let’s think about it.”

    Therefore, by the way, in recent years, several times Putin has told the Americans that we are ready to fight. We are even ready for a nuclear war, if anything. So that they do not build illusions about the fact that blackmail can be turned on. Yes, what conditions did Hillary Clinton offer when she went to the polls? Turn on the nuclear blackmail of Russia so that she concedes. So that they don’t have illusions that they don’t go too far along this path, because when you go the path of confrontation, each next step cuts off your path back. Sooner or later you come to a situation where war becomes inevitable, even a nuclear one. That is not something desirable, but necessary, because you have no other options left.

    Well, you see, they are trying to lead the remnants of the West, the so-called free world there. Because it’s not always the West, there is Japan, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, it’s still East. They are trying to keep their allies, their vassals under their control, to lead all this, to create such a closed system that will be in hostile relations with the rest of the world, while retaining the opportunity to spoil everyone. And again, try to keep the most of it, as they consider, – a high-tech world. And, relying on these capabilities, to re-conquer the planet. But I think that they are very much mistaken in this regard, because the manufacturing has long been located outside of both the United States and Europe. Now you can produce anything you want without their consent to the right to a patent. If we are talking about a global confrontation. In most areas of life and activity, we have sufficient technology and sufficient technological literacy. We just couldn’t launch many things on the market because the market was too narrow for us, – the western companies were already working on it. Take for example smartphones: the Russian market simply wasn’t big enough to outperform Apple. They’re just like a global company, like other companies, they were just in the perfect position from the start. And no company can enter other markets without winning its own, in principle.

    That’s why now the United States are seriously mistaken when they think that they will just leave technology under them, which means that they will make everyone else bow down. It was before, being a hegemon, that they could arrange price scissors according to which these high-tech goods sold for more than raw materials, food, and so on. Now, we see a frenzied rise in prices for raw materials and foodstuffs that completely devalue the European industrial and technological power or the American one. Because if China can buy raw materials in Russia two or three times cheaper than Europe, or even four or five times cheaper, then it immediately becomes more competitive accordingly. While the enterprises of the same European brands in China will continue to operate exactly as they will keep working with us. The factories that we have built will not go anywhere, they will work even if European companies leave us. The factories will still work with our companies, will change brands, and still produce. Overall, by and large, it’s the same.

    That is, if we succeed, we will sell a little less, but it will cost much more. If we fail, we will sell more and it will cost a little less, but still big money.

    Therefore, until now, while the West is in confrontation with us, the price tags for energy carriers will not fall. In both cases, the situation is beneficial for us.

    If Biden lobbies for the rejection of Russian energy, then the European economy will die, and the world will become one less competitor not only for the United States, but for us too. Because, in this case, we will be able to deliver our goods to the vacant place in Europe sooner or later.

    So let him go. The most dangerous thing there is not that he is going to talk about a ban on the import of Russian oil to Europe. He is going to Poland to talk about the possibility of introducing peacekeeping forces from the west to the territory of Ukraine.

    Moreover, the United States formed its position quite cunningly. They said no, it would not be NATO forces, but it could be the forces of some NATO countries. That is, it seems that the United States has nothing to do with this, it’s just that individual countries decided themselves, but these are NATO countries, and if it comes into confrontation with Russia, it’s clear that the question will immediately arise, what will be the reaction of NATO? How will NATO support its allies? Will it support it? And if not, then does NATO need such a thing? And if so, in what way? Money, goods, weapons? Or some armed forces will be sent to help them… And then who else will enter into a confrontation with Russia and how far this confrontation can lead.

    Let me remind you that Macron called for preparations for a pan-European war. And he did not rely on French desires but on concrete actions of the United States. When he assessed the very situation. And his assessment, in general, is close to the truth. That is, it is clear that the All-European War may not happen, because at least we do not want this, and we are fighting hard against it, and the Europeans themselves are not particularly fond of it. But, nevertheless, there are forces in Europe, like the Poles, who are making these proposals, and outside of Europe, it is the United States, which would like to start a major war in Europe with the participation of Russia. And they are fighting for their interests, and who will win there, time will tell.

    I do not think that Poles really want a part of the territory of Ukraine, because it is to get somewhere between 10-15 million Bandera for 35 million Poles. This is a lot. This is not the 2 million that Poland digested after the Great Patriotic War.

    This can destabilize Poland very much, because such a minority makes up a third of the entire population, which is absolutely hostile to this population. Bandera massacred the Poles, and the Poles hate Bandera. And when these two cultures collide on the same territory in a non-abstract way, such as, everyone lives in their own country and both hate Russia; – and when they collide on the same territory it turns out that they also hate each other, – for Poland it will not be like a gift.

    It is important for the Poles to maintain a Ukrainian buffer between themselves and Russia. Therefore, theoretically, by entering western Ukraine, they can try to preserve Ukrainian statehood at least in three, four, at least five regions, and this Ukrainian statehood will be due to the demarcation line, not making peace with Russia, but concluding a truce on the principle of the Minsk agreements. They will, because of the line of demarcation, all the time claim the entire territory of Ukraine, the Crimea, the Donbass and even the Kuban and Voronezh.

    And Russia will always have this problem, a splinter sticking out in the boot, which will not allow much concentration against Poland.

    Therefore, the Poles are making serious enough efforts to preserve Ukrainian statehood, in one form or another. Another thing is that they are also afraid, because you don’t understand that if they go out alone on their own initiative without any support, they will simply be kicked in the neck and thrown back, and this will end the liberation campaign.

    But they understand that they cannot rely on the verbal, political support of the United States. That the United States will put pressure on their European allies to provide more help, and so on. And if all this works out, if the Poles know that they are not alone, but at least two or three of them, and that, for example, Germany, France, everyone else was forced to somehow help, for example, to send military equipment, transfer aviation , then they may well afford to venture into western Ukraine.

    Ukraine somehow feels insecure in such a position, but the fact is that Russian forces are also unable to stretch indefinitely. You see, we are even dealing with Ukraine step by step. That is, not everything at once, although the configuration of the Ukrainian borders made it possible, given sufficient military resources, to complete the problem, to close the issue in three weeks, and after that to deal only with cleansing.

    But our military resources are not unlimited. In order to create an appropriate army, it is necessary to mobilize. which no one wants to do, because we still have a special operation not a war. If Polish resources are connected to these Ukrainian resources, which are now opposing Russia, then the problem of promotion will be even stronger. If other NATO countries are looming behind Poland, then the question arises whether we can grind all these armies that are potentially opposing us with the help of available forces, or we need to either mobilize or resort to nuclear weapons. Especially since any NATO country entering into a conflict is a country of a bloc that has nuclear weapons. In accordance with the Russian military doctrine, we can strike such a bloc with a nuclear strike even first.

    As you understand, the issue is very difficult to resolve, and both of these decisions will be extremely disadvantageous, including for Russia. It doesn’t matter who wins later, but this also means big losses, and not only human, but economic, and so on and so forth.

    Therefore, naturally, we are trying to avoid this option, and are trying to close the issue with Ukraine without the participation of our Western friends and partners. We try not to let them interfere in this matter. In this regard, of course, we use the position of the United States, because they do not want to give guarantees to anyone, and we demonstrate that we will fight. Consequently, if the United States does not give you guarantees of military support, you understand that yes, they will fight with you longer, not 3 months, but 6 months, not 6 months, but a year. But all the same, they will grind you down, and then the question arises, why do we Poles need such pleasure? Well, we’ll fight for a year, we’ll distribute orders, and then what? Then collect Poland brick by brick?

    Therefore, now the pro-American European lobby is in a state of unstable equilibrium; it wants to intervene in this conflict, but is afraid. The Americans do not yet give sufficient guarantees.

    Biden is now going to Poland to talk about exactly this, and we’ll see what he tells them.

    Well, I think not now, not now, but in general, given what trends have prevailed in the Baltics. Sooner or later the denazification operation will have to be carried out, because, as the history of Ukraine shows, living next to the Nazi state, even if it is small, means everything equally uncomfortable.

    Just because we are two different systems, we are on different sides of good and evil, and we will always be in confrontation with each other, and confrontation with the state that is on our borders will always be used by our enemies, regardless of who is this enemy at the moment.

    Therefore, naturally, if the Balts do not take it reasonably, then sooner or later they, just like Ukraine, will ask for the denazification operation. Ukraine asked for a long time, in fact, persuaded for 30 years.

    Therefore, Ukraine began to prepare for a war with Russia from the first day of its Independence. It was, by the way, her idea-fix. Well, it was getting ready, getting ready, now 30 years have passed – she got ready. Finally, she asked for the war. By and large, the Balts behave in the same way. They now think that they are covered by NATO and the EU, but as the practice of recent years has shown, this is a very unreliable umbrella.

    It is unlikely that anyone will be especially tense and risk a major war for the Baltic states. Moreover, there is always a casus bellum. It’s just that now, of course, Russia is too busy to go to the Baltic states. If only they won’t interfere with Russia on their own along with the Poles. They once tried to attack Belarus. They can repeat. If they themselves do not get involved in this matter, then the problem, the Baltics, is a problem of the distant future. During this time, they can change their minds, correct themselves, establish normal contacts, and choose other politicians.

    But if the Baltic statehood develops in the same direction in which it has been developing for the last thirty years, then sooner or later the denazification operation is inevitable.

    http://thesaker.is/rostislav-ishchenko-on-will-poland-invade-the-western-ukraine/

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:32 am

    Ukrainian media gave out the burnt Bonhomme Richard for a ship of the Russian Navy

    The Ukrainian media "knocked out" the landing ship of the US Navy Bonhomme Richard off the coast of Odessa, and even attributed it to the Russian Navy.


    https://t.me/FAKEcemetery/409?single


    The Ukrainian media was caught in yet another lie when covering a Russian special operation. The resource "Dialogue" published material that, allegedly, near Odessa, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to knock out a Russian warship. The note was accompanied by a photograph of a certain burning ship.

    It was not difficult for the Telegram channel "Cemetery of Fakes" to find out that the picture shows the large landing ship of the US Navy Bonhomme Richard, which was decommissioned after a fire in the port of San Diego already in 2020.

    Recall that the previously destroyed according to the Ukrainian media patrol ship "Vasily Bykov" was seen near one of the Crimean ports without any damage.

    https://rg.ru/2022/03/21/reg-pfo/ukrainskie-smi-vydali-sgorevshij-bonhomme-richard-za-korabl-vmf-rossii.html

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:44 am

    Russian Defense Ministry
    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Russian Defense Ministry briefing (23.03.2022)

    💥 Units of the Russian armed forces advanced another 2 kilometers during the day and are fighting against units of the 54th separate mechanized brigade of the armed forces of Ukraine on the southern and south-eastern outskirts of the village of Novomikhailovka.

    ◽ ️ Troop grouping Donetsk People's Republic inflicts fire damage to units of the 25th Airborne Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and fights for the capture of the settlements of Kamenka and Novobakhmutovka.

    ❗Operational-tactical and army aircraft hit 86 military facilities in Ukraine. Among them: 6 command posts, two multiple launch rocket systems, 8 field artillery pieces, three ammunition depots, 49 areas of accumulation of weapons and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    💥 Russian air defense systems destroyed 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near the settlements of Izyum, KIEV, SUMY, KHARKIV, CHERNIHIV.

    📊 In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 255 unmanned aerial vehicles, 189 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,564 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 158 multiple launch rocket systems, and 627 vehicles have been destroyed. field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,367 units of special military vehicles.

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    Post  franco Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:45 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
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    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    PURE EVIL, REST FOREVER IN HELL !!!!!  

    I would literally piss on this hags' grave if I could. **** her, may she rest in piss!

    In a few years time I may just have to take a massive shit on her headstone.  Although as a Christian I must ask, does Satan really have to deal with her as a house mate for all eternity?

    Remember an old cartoon joke in which the sarge says "I bet you can't wait to piss on my grave" and the private responses "No, when I get out of the army I will never stand in a line-up again"

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:46 am

    Something about this all felt so familiar.

    I realized why as I by sheer accident stumbled upon this CD-ROM in my attic just now. Not even kidding.

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    The game (it's a flight sim, but not particularly realistic, so "game") has its main plot a foreign sponsored coup thing in Belarus that causes all sorts of shit, and Russian Ka-52s cancelling it.

    Funny, 20+ years later, haha. Wrong country, but still.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 24, 2022 2:29 am

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    The Poles are already annexing THE WHOLE Western Ukraine. Check the map.

    Now listen to Lavrov:

    “Our Polish colleagues have already stated that there will be a NATO summit now, and peacekeepers should be deployed. I hope they understand what is at stake. This will be a direct clash between the Russian and NATO armed forces, which everyone not only wanted to avoid but said that it should never take place in principle."

    OR...

    The Russians may let it happen. Ukraine will be dismembered. Russia definitely does not want western Ukraine - it's a black hole. If the Poles get the west, to the east there will be a rump, demilitarized "Ukraine".

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    IMHO this map would be a fair indication of what to do:

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    Some more interesting maps:

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:29 am

    This is a reply to LMFS

    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14165183

    Essentially, NATO still refuses to send men or create no fly zones, but will re-enforce their borders with Russia. Lol.

    This is merely Polands miniature crusade in wanting to get what they want out of Ukraine (western Ukraine) and trying to get NATO involved cause they are scared to go in themselves.

    Stoltenberg is still a quivering asshole.

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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:33 am

    The story about Poland "going it alone" with a "peace keeping" mission seems to have legs.

    The Russian government may be anticipating this move and could use it to impose a partition.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:34 am

    kvs wrote:The story about Poland "going it alone" with a "peace keeping" mission seems to have legs.  

    The Russian government may be anticipating this move and could use it to impose a partition.


    This may be indeed the case and, in unlikely hood but tinfoil hat me thinks, they may have worked something out (Russia and Poland).

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:35 am

    miketheterrible wrote:This is a reply to LMFS

    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14165183

    Essentially, NATO still refuses to send men or create no fly zones, but will re-enforce their borders with Russia. Lol.

    Yeah, NATO (means US) will not get their hands dirty with such ordinary tasks as getting their assess handed to them by the Russians, when they can leave that to the Poles. I don't pretend to have all the keys, but the case for the intervention you can see it in the text by Ishchenko that I posted before. Don't know what will happen, but there is no smoke without fire as they say, and the current escalation by Russia is leaving the empire increasingly exposed without them having any real measure to answer with. That can make them increasingly reckless.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:41 am

    The losses of Russia should be between 700 to 1500 men (dead).
    Where this number? Simply delete a 0 at the other side. That's about what would be realistic.
    Means: 700 to 1500 fatal losses and about 4500 injured.

    I recommend a secret commitment campaign by 20,000 to 25,000 men. You never know.

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    Goal Line from me.

    It is important to achieve this Goal Line. With a Belarus surgery which occupies the Western Ukraine and thus blocked for NATO, it would hardly be expected, but would be helpful.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:44 am

    As I said Russia chose the battle field

    This was expected and justified the slow movement

    NATO took the bait, it was important to hold back

    Operational pause absorb the polish incursion, and hit em hard then savage them with armored fist


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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:44 am

    Retarded chimp Stoltenberg has screeched that Russia cannot win a nuclear war.

    Stand back and take in the intellectual quality of NATzO "leaders". Sanity cannot be assumed when dealing with retards.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:46 am

    Oh he is in for a rude awakening

    Phase 2, the devouring of the first nato state

    The column by kiev.... is first guard tank army...

    Guess what comes next
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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:49 am

    If there is any partition thanks to Polish action, the I would move the yellow line farther west to include Rovno and Khmelnitsky and
    keep them out of Banderite-Polish-NATzO control. But I also feel for the Carpathian Rusyns who have affinity for Russia and have
    nothing in common with Banderite maggots. So a land bridge in the south to the Slovak border may be justified. This may stop
    a genocide attempt by foaming at the mouth Banderites who will be totally unhinged when this is over and are so already.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:52 am

    The poles are operating on Russian reflexive control

    The operation was structured this way

    To absorb NATO

    The baltics and Poland are NATO strongest members

    The 10km column of 1st GTA waits quietly north of Kiev

    We gonna see fireworks like never before

    1st GTA will dash to Lvov and take it in several days

    It will be the equivalent of first week of Operation Z

    On a gigantic scale

    The CAA might of Russia employed

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