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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:02 am

    The point is, US exited the INF , Open Skies, ABM, and all such treaties

    Also there are nuclear weapons in the baltics, Turkey, Germany, and all these states that are now sending weapons to Ukraine

    The name of the game? Arms control, and 1997 NATO positions

    So Putin will achieve just that, Ukraine is a sideshow

    There is a bigger game going on here, and that's why RVSN was activated

    https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/rethinking-the-unthinkable-ukraine-reveals-the-need-for-nuclear-disarmament/

    Rethinking the unthinkable: Ukraine reveals the need for nuclear disarmament

    This is unbelievable, they are themselves talking about disarmament...

    That's the whole point... we need the West to disarm unilaterally...

    So far they don't talk about no fly zones, and intervention anymore, but it's still not enough

    1997 positions are needed... so Plan Z has all escalation scenarios already fixed into the game

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    Post  Krepost Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    ... and then afterwards reattaching the Donbass to it and basically reconstituting it as a normal, sane country - then yes I can back it


    That train has left the station long time ago.
    Re-attaching Donbass was the plan from the day the Minsk 2 agreements were signed.
    Ukraine had 8 bloody years to make it happen but they refused do do it.

    Stop blaming Putin, regime or anything else. It is the Ukrainians who don't want a normal and sane country.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:06 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    We now have a new arrangement in the works - the Union State. Which consists of Russia and Belarus. The Ukraine is not in it. It can become part of it in the future and all efforts should be made to ensure that it does. However in that case it should enter the Union State as a single sovereign state, the same way Russia and Belarus have done. It shouldn't be broken up into separate countries or whatever. The Ukraine and the Donbass should be rejoined first by some arrangement.
    I would prefer a Ukrainian federation, where in addition to the DNR and LNR you would also have a Transcarpathian republic to accommodate the needs of the Hungarians and Rusyns.


    If you mean USSR + , where are United States of Rus then ok Very Happy Ukraine IMHO would be better split to regions like Germany one was. Union states with autonomy. So no new NATOnazi regime can be reinstated.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:06 am

    Just recreate novorussia. Simple as that. It will never associate with Ukraine again

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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:09 am

    edit: ill get back to this with an complete example.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:12 am

    But why hurry? Why hurry with Ukraine?

    NATO remains in Poland and Romania, and the baltics...

    So posture must be built up for the coming showdown

    Preparing the battlefield is important

    Ukraine is the ideal place for for war with NATO

    Conventionally thats where Russia wants to fight

    All the euro states are not worth invading, they should just glass those areas

    Remember you fight with an goal , a purpose

    Putin selected Ukraine as a battlefield for a reason, just as he chose Crimea and Syria before that

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:17 am

    If you look at Russian strategy in Ukraine, it doesn't make sense to most observers I admit to me it didn't either

    Until I remember the ultimatum

    Putin is not fighting Ukraine, he is fighting NATO

    NATO tried calling Putin,  there was no answer, they're freaking out, Biden and Psaki don't want to send planes over ww3

    This is the intended result... to create confusion, in the minds of all observers

    Why does Russia not give a shit about the information war?

    Because it is better this way, The shock value of what is coming will be greater this way

    They talk about Russian weakness, the talk about Russian incompetence..

    Well go on and impose the no fly zone!!! Or... is there doubt creeping in...

    Those sanctions were a doozy... maybe a bridge too far...

    No Putin stated, everything proceeds according to plan...

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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:19 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Putin certainly seem to have this idea, wanting to restore the historical Russian slavic orthodox heartlands, and consolidate them under a single Russian state before he leaves office. It's about undoing the damage of the bolsheviks and the USSR, as they percieve it.

    That would be historically legitimate and a sound state policy on top of that. One people does not need multiple states.

    Observe he does not seem to care for other territories, populated by people alien to Russia. But I agree that reuniting the Russian heartland seems a long term objective here.
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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:25 am

    For now the US is still too chicken shit to confront Russia directly. The frenzy about a no fly zone is hot air and the compromise
    is to send AA systems to the Kiev regime to "save itself". What a moronic joke.

    The problem is that the mass formation psychosis in progress in NATO can take over and even chicken shit losers can start
    to act as if they are going to win in 24 hours. Then we can get nuclear war.

    We have here a case of the western deciders being so smart that they are stupid. Their mass media lie factory is not the panacea
    that they think it is. They assume that because the average NATzO sheeple specimen drinks the Kool-Aid that this creates reality.
    But reality is never created, it is only affected. And NATzO has no real ability to affect Russia in the way it wants. This does not
    mean that they will not fling themselves at Russia like the Nazis in 1941.

    BTW, note how all the Youcrap commentators who toe the NATzO propaganda line keep comparing Putin to Hitler. What did the Iraq
    wars make American presidents? I am also hearing a new line of insane BS and that is to compare the Russian operation to the Holocaust.



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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:35 am

    https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/4

    This is my first post on Telegram. Circumstances developed in such a way that this communication resource turned out to be in demand to a greater extent than the well-known social media that compromised themselves. Therefore, the first publication is devoted to the most dramatic topic.

    The frenzied Russophobia of the West, apparently, will never reach the bottom. The expansion of NATO to our borders, the economic and information war unleashed against our country on all fronts, endless threats and intimidation, the fierce persecution of our citizens abroad. All this is the reason for the extreme aggravation of the international situation that the whole world is experiencing these days.
    Disgusting, criminal and immoral is the line of behavior of the countries of the Western world towards Russia in recent years. And this despite the fact that we sincerely strived for good relations with them. Together we defeated fascism in the 20th century and agreed on universal rules for security and cooperation. But now the double standards of the West no longer surprise anyone. When they need it, they can close their eyes to everything, including the extermination of civilians in Donbass, which lasted for years. If something does not go according to their orders, there is only one culprit - our country.
    The anti-Russian hysteria that we are now witnessing is by no means a new phenomenon. It was in the 19th and 20th centuries. Recall the famous words of Fyodor Tyutchev: “It has long been possible to predict that this rabid hatred, which for thirty years, every year more and more, was kindled in the West against Russia, would someday break the chain. This moment has arrived. Russia was simply offered suicide, a renunciation of the very foundation of her being, a solemn recognition that she is nothing else in the world, but a wild and ugly phenomenon, like an evil that needs to be corrected. It feels like it was written in 2022.

    History has convincingly proved its cyclicality in the 21st century. The ground for this "rabid hatred"
    Russia was pledged by the United States and its satellites throughout the entire thirty years of the existence of the new Russian state. It's just that for a long time it was masked by the hypocritical white-toothed smiles of politicians and diplomats who said one thing and did something completely different. Simply put, they brazenly lied to us for the sake of their own interests.

    Of course, they did not like the fact that Russia has again become a strong power, capable of defending its interests, protecting its own citizens in other countries. Fierce Russophobia, noted in the quote of the Russian classic, literally "broke loose", choking in impotent rage. After all, our country must be driven into a corner, put on its knees and re-educated according to the patterns of the Anglo-Saxon world. Make weak and completely submissive. Better yet, tear it apart.
    Will not work. Russia has enough power to put in place all the brazen enemies of our country. We will continue to fight for the world order that suits the Russian Federation and our citizens. In which there is no place for frostbitten Nazis, historical lies and genocide. Moral strength and historical truth, as before, are on our side!

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:36 am

    Cold Response 22 is probing Murmansk

    They are probing Russian OTH system in far north

    They want to implement their Prompt Global Strike concept on Russia

    That is why Russia will respond to these exercises, it is the perfect catalyst for further Russian reaction to NATO

    They don't understand they have already lost the initiative

    They will respond reflexively to the Russian stimuli

    Who knows, last time khibiny disabled their ships, this time, maybe they will hit some kind of rock...

    There are no Russian observers... how strange

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:38 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Cold Response 22 is probing Murmansk

    They are probing Russian OTH system in far north

    They want to implement their Prompt Global Strike concept on Russia

    That is why Russia will respond to these exercises, it is the perfect catalyst for further Russian reaction to NATO

    They don't understand they have already lost the initiative

    They will respond reflexively to the Russian stimuli

    Who knows, last time khibiny disabled their ships, this time, maybe they will hit some kind of rock...

    There are no Russian observers... how strange

    Are you making this up or you got a source to what is happening?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:41 am

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    NATO is probing the Northern Fleet

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2022/03/russian-navy-announces-shootings-west-natos-ongoing-major-arctic-exercise

    Peter Velikiy and Severomorsk are tailing them

    Probably a zircon loaded yasen and tactical nuclear p700

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:00 am

    That's a limp dick exercise. I thought they would be sailing all over the Bay of Murmansk.

    Supposedly the presence of US carrier groups makes this a big deal. But only in the imbecilic minds of NATzO fanbois.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:00 am

    Well, the Russians will be tailing and watching but they been doing these for years. I remember this shit back in the 90's

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:11 am

    The fleet itself can be wiped out with Tu22m3 and kh32 and also Mig31 with kinzhal, with tactical nukes

    Also zircon and some nuclear torpedoes

    The NATO fleet isn't a problem, and neither is Ukraine

    Ukraine is already decimated beyond repair, and NATO cannot manage that state any longer, they were throughly demilitarized and de nazification will proceed. Ukraine is being punished, and that's a good thing. The nazi disease is being exsanguinated

    Russia will implement plans for Ukraine at the right time once economic contingencies are concluded and economic restructuring is complete

    Ukraine can proceed as such, but much more present issues persist, the issue of NATO expansion was solved with missile strikes at Yavoriv

    But now comes the task of pushing NATO to 1997 borders

    So everything is developing "according to plan"

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:13 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The fleet itself can be wiped out with Tu22m3 and kh32 and also Mig31 with kinzhal,  with tactical nukes

    Also zircon and some nuclear torpedoes

    The NATO fleet isn't a problem, and neither is Ukraine

    Ukraine is already decimated beyond repair, and NATO cannot manage that state any longer, they were throughly demilitarized and de nazification will proceed. Ukraine is being punished, and that's a good thing. The nazi disease is being exsanguinated

    Russia will implement plans for Ukraine at the right time once economic contingencies are concluded and economic restructuring is complete

    Ukraine can proceed as such, but much more present issues persist, the issue of NATO expansion was solved with missile strikes at Yavoriv

    But now comes the task of pushing NATO to 1997 borders

    So everything is developing "according to plan"

    Everything is tactical nukes with you.

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    Post  Broski Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:17 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Everything is tactical nukes with you.
    Some people just want to watch the world burn, fortunately, Putin isn't one of them.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:21 am

    It was always about nukes

    That's what ABM treaty withdrawal was about, and also aegis ashore

    Ukraine is but one piece of a bigger game that is playing out here

    Russia doesn't give a shit about NATO battalions in Baltics

    It's about missiles, and getting them out , and moving these NATO assholes to 1997 positions

    How do you think Putin is doing that???

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    Post  par far Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:29 am

    Zelensky has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, it was always a joke but now it is a bigger joke.

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    Post  par far Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:30 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Video of Russian and Chechan forces in combat.


    Looks like an ambush

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    Post  par far Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:31 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Shots of the assault on Mariupol



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    Post  par far Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:32 am

    Looks like Westen Ukraine was hit again.


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:39 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    I can not show collour, to an blind man.


    You don't need to show me anything, I remember all those events

    All those Nazi fools are just the tools of oligarchs. Although yes they are real, war criminals, and need elimination or apprehension.

    Well if we're going in all the way so might as well do it. Wipe them out.. all of them.

    What you have to realize that those same Nazis were cultivated even under Yanukovich, the ousted supposed "pro-Russian" president.
    He was planning to use them himself for something

    Well instead his rivals turned the Nazis and nationalists against him, and the rest is history. The Donbass elites, represented by Yanukovich, were ousted by an alliance of the Galician and Dnepropetrovsk elites, and a nationalist anti-Russian oligarchy was declared.

    Here's a good article on it:
    https://www.unz.com/article/draining-the-ukrainian-political-swamp/

    Draining the Ukrainian Political Swamp
    The Great Russian Restoration III
    Rolo Slavskiy • March 13, 2022 • 2,400 Words • 120 Comments • Reply

    There appears to be a breather in the offensive campaign two weeks in. Every talking head with a Telegram channel, a LiveJournal or a radio broadcast has weighed in on what this means. Some accept the statements from Russian officials at face value—that it is a genuine effort to provide humanitarian relief to the civilian population and to save lives through evacuations. Others, that it is a chance for the Russians to resupply and mass up even more troops. Some patriot voices in Russia are furious that Putin refused to give the order to engage the enemy head-on, choosing the velvet glove approach instead. Others say that this stratagem to win over hearts and minds is the correct one. Most intelligent commentators have already pointed out just how intense and overwhelming the NATO/Ukrainian propaganda barrage was and just how ill-equipped the Russian side was to deal with it. In our previous article, we explained why that may have been the case— the government never really took combatting Western disinformation too seriously until it was almost too late. If there is one clear and objective failing of Putin’s long rule that can be squarely pinned on his decision-making, this would be it. However, Putin did have a media strategy and it was quite clear for many years what it was: he focused on controlling the main TV channels and left the rest of the enemy’s propaganda untouched. In Russia, the “boomers” are the main voting block and they turn out in strength for whoever the TV tells them to… or the Communists, if they’re feeling particularly peeved at the government during that cycle. So it wasn’t a bad plan on Putin’s part by any means and it was better than anything that Trump or any other modern populist leader was able to pull off, by far. It was however, a half-measure, and while the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, the off-ramp was certainly built with half-measures.

    Back on the warfront, rumors are circulating that Dniepopetrovsk might surrender by the time that the Russian forces reach it. Apparently, the Jewish oligarch Igor Kholomoisky, the kingpin of the city, may have sued for a separate peace with the Russians. I don’t want to make any hard predictions about the course that this war will take, but this isn’t really as absurd a proposition as it may seem at first glance. Rumor or not, mentioning it does cross us over neatly into the main topic of today’s post: the political power factions that control the Ukraine.

    It is worth getting into the details here just so that we can come to an understanding of just what exactly Ukrainian politics was since independence. Ukrainian politics has been almost entirely dominated by the Eastern Mafias since the days of Presidents Kravchuk and Kuchma. There are two factions within the mafia that are worthy of particular mention: the Donbass and the Dniepropetrovsk groups. Both gained power when they took over the factories and the energy resources and the gas pipelines in their respective regions. Analysts who endlessly draw maps detailing ethnic compositions and language differences among the regions of Ukraine show themselves to be woefully uninformed and completely lost when it comes to understanding just what was happening in Ukraine over the last three decades. Dniepopetrovsk—–a Russian-speaking region (which shows how much that matters) has been the senior political power in the country since 2014. And the only shake-up that Ukrainian politics experienced over the last three decades, however minor, was the election and short-lived reign of Orange Revolution firebrand and then President (2005–2010), Victor Yushenko. Yushenko rose in on a wave of support from Western Ukraine, and crucially, he got many centrists in central regions to vote for him who were simply fed up with the corruption and criminal domination of Ukrainian politics. Nonetheless, Yushenko had to make a deal with Yulia Timoshenko (a Jewish gas baroness turned politician from Donbass) to form a powerful opposition block that became the ruling coalition once twice president (2002–2005 and 2010–2014) Victor Yanukovitch was ousted for the first time. Almost immediately, Yushenko ended up getting backstabbed by Yulia and her people. Or, to be fair, perhaps one could make the case that he betrayed her first and worse and got what he had coming. It doesn’t really matter in the grander scheme of things because the political elite of Ukraine always kept themselves busy tricking, arresting and stealing from one another. Yushenko’s ineffectual stint in power led to Yanukovitch’s (also a Donbass Mafia member) return to power and the events leading up to Euromaidan 2014.

    That being said, the events that led to the current situation in Ukraine can be traced back to any point in history, really. One event leads to another so long as we are bound by the chain of cause and effect. It all depends on the skill of the writer to connect the dots and construct a narrative, really. So, my decision to pin the start of the sequence of events that led to this conflict on the events that occurred during the Yushenko era is arbitrary— we could just as easily go back to Kuchma and Kravchuk or to the events all the way back to the Khmelnitsky uprising in the seventeenth century if we wanted to. My goal is not to lay the blame on one corrupt politician or gangster to whitewash the others— only to shed light on a part of the story that Western readers might not be aware of and to push back against simplistic explanations offered for the conflict by ideologists with their own personal agendas informing their framing of events in a certain way.

    As a direct result of Yushenko’s ascent to the presidency, a new faction began to rise in Ukraine that had hitherto not exercised power on the national level. We will pick up the story with the Orange Revolution president making the historic decision to start legitimizing and integrating the Galician right-wing radicals (often labeled “neo-Nazis”) into his government, but the lore behind the Galician faction stretches back to the bedlam of the Russian Revolution and is certainly worth delving into another time.

    Once Yushenko began injecting die-hard Galician faction members into the security apparatus of Ukraine, they quickly carved out a niche for themselves in the secret police (SBU) and began taking up key positions in the military and defense offices. Assassinations, intimidations and power-grabs became the order of the day (not that they ever really stopped). Yanukovitch, who retook office soon after, did nothing to undo what was initiated by his predecessor and continued funding this operation up to the day that he was chased out of the country by many of these very same people working against him in the security services and in the mob that had gathered in the Maidan Square beneath his presidential residence. Why did he do this? Well, after the controlled demolition of the USSR, the political class of literally every single FSU country adopted something that has been derisively dubbed in Russia as the “sitting on two stools” approach to foreign policy. Put simply: they try to play the West and Russia off each other to extract more concessions from Russia. This was indeed a lucrative grift while it lasted, but eventually the stools toppled over and the whole thing came crashing down. Relative to Yanukovich, Alexander Lukashenko, president of Belarus, got quite lucky. But that’s another story for another time.

    Suffice it to say, in the FSU, the anti-Russian separatists/nationalists/Westernists have always enjoyed the secret support of even “pro-Russian” politicians and “pro-Russian” governments. This is because their job was to scare and intimidate the majority of voters, and shore up the power of the “moderate” government, which would prop up the radicals as scarecrows come election time. Now, I’m not a moral purist when it comes to politics by any means, and I can even appreciate a dastardly political stratagem pulled off by my enemies so long as it demonstrates acumen in the same way that a military man can appreciate and study a foreign army’s tactics while on campaign. But Yanukovitch was no Sun Tzu, and he ended up outfoxing himself. To be fair, perhaps he was too busy looting the country and settling old scores with his mafia rivals to notice the new pack of hyenas circling in on him. Regardless, after he was gone, the Galician faction got to finish their takeover of the entire security apparatus of Ukraine, helped along by the rebellion in Donbass and the annexation of Crimea, which gave them carte blanche to purge the ranks of unsympathetic officers, spooks and bureaucrats.

    The bloggers who have been bellowing about UkroFascists!!! and the “nazification” of Ukraine on the internet for the last 10 years are probably talking about these people and their takeover of the security structures. But because of their use of the same hysterical buzzwords used by the beloved and trustworthy Western media and their thinly veiled USSR nostalgia, they have turned many sympathetic Westerners with conservative, nationalistic leanings away from them and their writings. The tone-deafness and poor persuasion skills of pro-Russian internet boomers aside, they are quite correct in stating that the Galicians or the Banderanazis(!!!) if you prefer, run Kiev now. However, this is only half the picture. The other half is the Eastern Mafia, which is very much still in the picture and hasn’t been sitting idly by. Kholomoisky of Dniepopetrovsk has successfully raised his own private army (the infamous Azov battalion) and he has defeated the Donbass mafia with targeted assassinations and because of his strategic alliance with the Galician faction, which runs the government. This is the power coalition running Ukraine now. The Galician faction runs the security apparatus/military with their gang and Kholomoisky controls the economy and media of the country with his gang. Needless to say, both groups have the support of Western spook agencies. And both groups believe that Ukraine is their turf and are willing to kill a lot of people to keep it that way.

    But the largest feather in Kholomoisky’s cap is no doubt President Zelensky himself. Kholomoisky’s channel created and ran the “Servant of the People” show that featured Zelensky as an honest and intrepid President of Ukraine dedicated to fighting corruption and defending the Ukrainian people. When the elections came around, Kholomoisky’s people and his media resources went all out in campaigning for their man. My personal favorite play was when they bribed Facebook fortune-tellers to spin prophecies about the coming of the president-that-was-promised and thereby secured the superstitious peasant granny vote. If any Western politicians are reading this, put down Sun Tzu and try some of this Kholomoisky fellow’s stratagems during the next election cycle instead.

    Now, Russia has declared that they are planning to do a thorough “denazification” campaign, which almost certainly means a thorough purge of the Galician faction from the positions that they have taken since Yushenko let them into the government. As for what will happen to the oligarchs who bankrolled this whole operation, well, that’s still somewhat up in the air. It’s worth point out that Russia used to have dealings with them right up until the events of Euromaidan. The arrangement was simple: Russia paid them to behave and not ally against Russia with the West. As we can see looking back, this was clearly a catastrophic strategy, and what’s worse, I can only shake my head at how uncreative and uninspired it was—a cardinal sin in my book. The worst possible outcome for Ukraine at this point is if Russia comes to a compromise with some element of the existing power structure in Ukraine once they wrap up the military operation. We now know that no negotiations with the Galician faction are possible, so we can cross them off the list. That leaves the Eastern Mafia. Rumors of Kholomoisky’s imminent surrender aside, I can’t help but hope that his chutzpah has finally crossed the line and that he will be forced to spend the rest of his days exiled in Israel along with his puppet Zelensky. As for the rest of the oligarchs, well, both Petro Poroshenko and Yulia Timoshenko held photo-ops in Kiev with Kalashnikovs in their hands, so we can cross them off the list as well. Further than that and we enter the realm of pure speculation.

    Clearly, the best outcome would be for a military man from Russia with no history of doing politics or business in Ukraine to come in and take the reins as a vizier or military governor of sorts for a time. This solution may offend committed ideologists and apologists for Liberal Democracy (read: Oligarchy), but the hard truth of the situation that Ukraine finds itself in is one in which literally no one who was anywhere near the reins of power in that country for the last three decades has his hands clean. These people all looted, collaborated and murdered with near impunity for 30 years. With Russia now performing a political prison break from Liberal Oligarchic Occupation Government right before our very eyes, we can only hope that Ukraine will be able to follow suit and break free from the shackles as well.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:14 am

    par far wrote:Zelensky has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, it was always a joke but now it is a bigger joke.

    https://t.me/intelslava/22667?single

    Well they gave one to Barak Obomber.

    Peace Award for refusal to make any concessions to a great power on you border resulting in destruction of your nation and loss of statehood goes toooo Volodmyr (the Comedian) Zelensky!!!!!

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