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    Post  Broski Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:00 am

    Honestly I'm surprised you're still responding to flamming_gorbachev at this point, that guy is a lost cause and thankfully, an absolute minority in Russia.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:03 am

    Broski wrote:Honestly I'm surprised you're still responding to flamming_gorbachev at this point, that guy is a lost cause and thankfully, an absolute minority in Russia.

    He isn't just a lost cause. He is a real piece of shit honestly.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:05 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Anyway, I really hope there is an agreement in the coming days. Russia I think is not right in pushing the Ukrainians to recognize the DNR/LNR and Crimea at the same time while insisting on demilitarization and true neutrality.
    It should surely be one or the other. They have a right to claim what is de-jure their territory and this doesn't have a relation to the regime, it's the sovereign right of any state. If they give up those claims though then I don't see why them having a military would be a threat to Russia.

    Because whatever you may think of the Ukrainian regime, our one is not better, and the whole character of this war is basically Putin forcing the Ukrainian population and Ukrainian military to pay with their lives for basically his own mistakes and oversights.
    And the possibility of a rapid capitulation of the Ukrainian military is far from guaranteed if the war goes on, we could see more vicious urban fighting.

    **** you are dumb.

    Ukraine government no better than yours?

    Why not go fight on the side of the Nazi's in Ukraine already? At least maybe we may be spared of your bullshit.

    Yeah, why not give Ukraine whatever they want.  Why not just go back to what it was before.  Hey, why not just give them Crimea? Hey, why not let them to build biological weapons and kill others.  Hell, why not just start killing yourselves?

    Man, do you realize how fucking dumb you sound? or the fact that you have been wrong on nearly everything?

    I think you are the 5th column Putin was talking about.  Maybe you should leave Russia and go to Ukraine, cause you know, their government is just as Bad or whatever.

    Putins mistakes? what was his mistakes?  He isn't President of Ukraine.  He didn't cause this issue.  You dumb **** commies where.

    The Ukraine uses Nazis as the Russian Empire used Cossacks

    It's not fair to call it a Nazi state per say. Just an anti-Russian nationalist one. But you can argue that a lot of this nationalism has been cemented by Russia presenting itself as a threat to the Ukraine by annexing its territory.

    The thing is our regime is also nationalist Putin openly hinted about dismembering the Ukraine in his pre-operation speech. Who gives him that right? We also have our own Islamist colony in Chechnya which is employed in warfare.

    It's time to end the war. Really. Then heads can cool and we can discuss a lasting solution with the Ukrainians, whatever regime they have.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:11 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Anyway, I really hope there is an agreement in the coming days. Russia I think is not right in pushing the Ukrainians to recognize the DNR/LNR and Crimea at the same time while insisting on demilitarization and true neutrality.
    It should surely be one or the other. They have a right to claim what is de-jure their territory and this doesn't have a relation to the regime, it's the sovereign right of any state. If they give up those claims though then I don't see why them having a military would be a threat to Russia.

    Because whatever you may think of the Ukrainian regime, our one is not better, and the whole character of this war is basically Putin forcing the Ukrainian population and Ukrainian military to pay with their lives for basically his own mistakes and oversights.
    And the possibility of a rapid capitulation of the Ukrainian military is far from guaranteed if the war goes on, we could see more vicious urban fighting.

    **** you are dumb.

    Ukraine government no better than yours?

    Why not go fight on the side of the Nazi's in Ukraine already? At least maybe we may be spared of your bullshit.

    Yeah, why not give Ukraine whatever they want.  Why not just go back to what it was before.  Hey, why not just give them Crimea? Hey, why not let them to build biological weapons and kill others.  Hell, why not just start killing yourselves?

    Man, do you realize how fucking dumb you sound? or the fact that you have been wrong on nearly everything?

    I think you are the 5th column Putin was talking about.  Maybe you should leave Russia and go to Ukraine, cause you know, their government is just as Bad or whatever.

    Putins mistakes? what was his mistakes?  He isn't President of Ukraine.  He didn't cause this issue.  You dumb **** commies where.

    The Ukraine uses Nazis as the Russian Empire used Cossacks

    It's not fair to call it a Nazi state per say. Just an anti-Russian nationalist one. But you can argue that a lot of this nationalism has been cemented by Russia presenting itself as a threat to the Ukraine by annexing its territory.

    The thing is our regime is also nationalist Putin openly hinted about dismembering the Ukraine in his pre-operation speech. Who gives him that right? We also have our own Islamist colony in Chechnya which is employed in warfare.

    It's time to end the war. Really. Then heads can cool and we can discuss a lasting solution with the Ukrainians, whatever regime they have.

    OK, I will break down why you are dumb and so is your opinion:

    1) Ukraine threatened Russia for the last 8 years.  Tymoshenko called for Nukes to Nuke Russia, and so did Zelensky before this war.
    2) Ukraine hosts Biological weapons and plants that are actually banned in the Geneva convention.
    3) Ukraine killed 14,000 people that are Russian ethnics.
    4) Land that Ukraine has that is killing Ethnic Russians was Ethnic Russian land for hundreds of years and was stripped away from them by your fantastic commie fuckups.

    These alone give Russia a million times more reason to strip these lands apart.  It doesn't seem that even those locals are too happy either.

    So, you want to end the war? Here is what will happen if the Russians pack up and leave:
    1) Ukraine gets into NATO right off the bat
    2) Americans and everyone else all rush in to build up bases and assets in the country
    3) Americans now will use every opportunity to start genocide the areas of the east.
    4) bio labs back up and running and will be a problem for you guys
    5) constant picking till Russia falls apart
    6) your dumb fucking ass will be first to be shot but you are too retarded to figure it out.

    I dunno, maybe logic doesnt work for you.  So at this point, I think you should go to Ukraine and go fight against Russians cause they are so evil for invading and makes them worst or whatever.  I am just glad average Russian seems to be more logical than you are.  You are quick to give up.

    What would you do? Would you just wait till war happens on your territory and wait till they do kill thousands and or millions?  What if Ukraine started a war and did use biological and nuclear weapons that they eventually would obtain?

    You would go down as the worst leader ever for any country.  People would ask "why didnt he prevent this from happening?".  And what do you think of that? Probably not much because it is clear you dont think much at all.

    As I said before, you are the type of asshole that will blame the government NO MATTER WHAT they do.  You would blame them for doing nothing, you would blame them for doing something.  It doesn't matter.  You are a scumbag and I think you need to go to Ukraine to fight against the Russians since you hate them so much and you just wish for your country to give up and die like what was happening under your friend Yeltsin.  If you need financial assistance to go and fight the Russians, I think many here will be glad to give you some money to go fight.  Because it seems most here are sick of your bullshit.

    I am done with you.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:28 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    The Ukraine uses Nazis as the Russian Empire used Cossacks

    It's not fair to call it a Nazi state per say. Just an anti-Russian nationalist one. But you can argue that a lot of this nationalism has been cemented by Russia presenting itself as a threat to the Ukraine by annexing its territory.

    The thing is our regime is also nationalist Putin openly hinted about dismembering the Ukraine in his pre-operation speech. Who gives him that right? We also have our own Islamist colony in Chechnya which is employed in warfare.

    It's time to end the war. Really. Then heads can cool and we can discuss a lasting solution with the Ukrainians, whatever regime they have.

    Respectfully.....It is not, not untill the last multi-cell organism with Nazi thoughts stops consuming oxygen and starts the process of decomposition.

    You do not have to be pro-war, i get it.
    But, NATO has always been out to destroy Russia as an independent state.
    And NATO really is downright evil to the core.

    NATO does not care about people, it either Uses, imprisons or kills what is in it's way.
    Russia is now already engaged with NATO, except for its conventional army.
    Russia is fighting everything NATO has to offer except for NATO's conventional army.
    You do realize how much economic and military resources that they represent, right?.

    It is not about Putin, his party. or whatever.
    Russia either succeeds in Ukraine against NATO. Or it will fail and succumb to NATO's whip forever.

    Russian troops get it, they do not go trough the hassle to get Soviet and Imperial russian flags for nothing.

    NATO is like an malignant cancer, everything it touches. withers quickly and dies so NATO can sustain itself.
    An organism that war rendered obsolete decades ago, and now play's its own Arsonist to justify to be an Fireman.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:28 am

    Two questions:

    1. Izium has been been liberated? I ask because Wikipedia is saying it has, and wel I distrust them, but if so well done.

    2. Again Wikipedia loves lying about this, but per their map and other more credible ones (but not reported in the western propaganda establishment), the goal is to capture and destroy most of the Ukrainian army -and most of the Banderites - in three large pincers, one near Donetsk, one near Lugansk and a larger encirclement to the west. Does this seem to be the plan?
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:31 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    The Ukraine uses Nazis as the Russian Empire used Cossacks

    It's not fair to call it a Nazi state per say. Just an anti-Russian nationalist one. But you can argue that a lot of this nationalism has been cemented by Russia presenting itself as a threat to the Ukraine by annexing its territory.

    The thing is our regime is also nationalist Putin openly hinted about dismembering the Ukraine in his pre-operation speech. Who gives him that right? We also have our own Islamist colony in Chechnya which is employed in warfare.

    It's time to end the war. Really. Then heads can cool and we can discuss a lasting solution with the Ukrainians, whatever regime they have.

    Respectfully.....It is not, not untill the last multi-cell organism with Nazi thoughts stops consuming oxygen and starts the process of decomposition.

    You do not have to be pro-war, i get it.
    But, NATO has always been out to destroy Russia as an independent state.
    And NATO really is downright evil to the core.

    NATO does not care about people, it either Uses, imprisons or kills what is in it's way.
    Russia is now already engaged with NATO, except for its conventional army.
    Russia is fighting everything NATO has to offer except for NATO's conventional army.
    You do realize how much economic and military resources that they represent, right?.

    It is not about Putin, his party. or whatever.
    Russia either succeeds in Ukraine against NATO. Or it will fail and succumb to NATO's whip forever.

    Russian troops get it, they do not go trough the hassle to get Soviet and Imperial russian flags for nothing.

    NATO is like an malignant cancer, everything it touches. withers quickly and dies so NATO can sustain itself.
    An organism that war rendered obsolete decades ago, and now play's its own Arsonist to justify to be an Fireman.



    We all explained that to him more than once.  He doesn't get it.  I personally think he is just a Ukrop.  Because I just cannot fathom someone like him, in Russia, doesn't get it.  Everyone else seems to.  He lived in the UK before, he lived in a NATO country.  He should know how fucking brainwashed and bombastic they are. The only other thing I can think of is he is Pro West, Pro NATO and wants Russia to break up and the Russian state, older than most of these western states, is gone for good. I think most of us realize this and so does he.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:42 am

    When we have an imperialist in power who talks about breaking up other states, then yes our regime is no better

    And I'm not saying that's what Putin will do. But I don't know what he will do

    If it really is just a mission to clean out the Nazis from the Ukraine and de-zombify its population, and then afterwards reattaching the Donbass to it and basically reconstituting it as a normal, sane country - then yes I can back it, if only by the virtue that this crazy, bloody operation has already started anyway.

    But I don't know what the plans are and that scares me.

    Someone talked about Russian lands. It was 'Russian' land back when the word 'Russian' meant the whole people of Rus' - i.e. Great Russians, Little Russians and White Russians.

    Today we know those three peoples as Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians respectively. They all have their own states based on their own native territories. I'd certainly give you that the Novorussian lands are somewhat their own thing. These were all colonized by the Russian Empire from nomadic Turkic tribes, Crimean Tatars, the Ottomans and so on. But they were colonized mostly with ethnic Ukrainians, and in an alliance with Ukrainian Cossacks who did a lot of the fighting. Ethnic Russians and other minorities mostly dominated in the cities, which were all built by the Russian Empire.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:51 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Today we know those three peoples as Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians respectively. They all have their own states based on their own native territories. I'd certainly give you that the Novorussian lands are somewhat their own thing. These were all colonized by the Russian Empire from nomadic Turkic tribes, Crimean Tatars, the Ottomans and so on. But they were colonized mostly with ethnic Ukrainians, and in an alliance with Ukrainian Cossacks who did a lot of the fighting. Ethnic Russians and other minorities mostly dominated in the cities, which were all built by the Russian Empire.

    Like UK or Spain yet those counties have one statehood. You don't see problem with that?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:00 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 19 Foe3nv10
    Western circles guessing how it will end. Still to big, if you ask me.

    I am not going to pretend that I find it reasonable, nor that I am some kind of particularly knowledgeable person in these matters, but...

    I am absolutely convinced that Putin views this as a civilizational war first and foremost now, to correct the perceived problems that the USSR and its collapse caused for the "Russian heartland". He's on the Alexander Solzhenitsyn/Ivan Ilyin track.

    It has morphed beyond mere modern realpolitik, beyond alignments and such. It probably could have been avoided if the west had stayed out of Kiev, but now it's gone so far it's like all or nothing as far as Russia is concerned.

    So, regarding that map and in light of the above: Kiev is where Russian relics are still held (Muromets etc), and was the Russian capital for a while, after Novgorod and before Moscow and St. Petersburg/Petrograd.

    The Ukrainian nationalist phenomenon, and their radically anti-Russian bandera-folks that this entire operation is supposed to target have their actual heartland in the old Polish-Lithuanian regions far west, with Lviv/Lwow/Lemberg as the "capital"...

    So, my entirely amateurish and possibly stupid take is that Russia now seeks to pacify and eventually re-absorb Catherine the Greats Novorossiya, and all the Russian lands east of the Dnepr up to Kiev. Then I don't think Russia minds leaving Galicia and its immediate surroundings as some rump state or whatever. Don't think they would even mind much if Hungary, Slovakia and Poland retook some of their historical lands there either.

    It's an incredibly drastic move all in all, especially in this day and age when we've gotten so used to rather immobile borders for a couple of generations (well, Yugoslavians beg to differ I guess), but historically speaking it's standard European business.

    ...Just wait until this returns on the regular agenda (actually the main melody has already been played on Red Square numerous times recently, though as part of Tchailovsky's 1812 and the Spasskaya festival):


    Years ago Shoigu himself, who doesn't even come from an Orthodox Russian background already did the sign of the cross under the gates on May 9th, and this is just where it's heading. Pay attention to that big new army cathedral in Odintsovo with the floors made up of steel of melted German tanks, it has those WH4K imperium vibes to it, and you'll see more of it.

    Putin's "war speech" prior to this operation likewise hated on the commies to no end, and promised real "decommunization".

    Putin certainly seem to have this idea, wanting to restore the historical Russian slavic orthodox heartlands, and consolidate them under a single Russian state before he leaves office. It's about undoing the damage of the bolsheviks and the USSR, as they percieve it.

    Do note that all modern western European democracies emerged from absolute monarchies, in a slow but steady process. Russia would have done it too, and was by all accounts heading steadily in that very direction, but was caught up in a badly managed WW1 and then, when weakened, civil war and communist revolution.

    IMO they want to undo the damage and move from there. Even the infamous Putin quote from a decade or more ago, where he supposedly lamented the fall of the USSR (very often brought up by western news pundits, who have made a habit of cutting out the rest of the lament) was in reality him complaining about the fact that Russians were ultimately screwed over once again, and Russian territory ended up god knows where.

    The pattern is clear.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:00 am

    The reconstitution of Ukraine as Russian aligned state is a plan that is being used as plan Z

    Z means it was the last option

    They went from plan A to plan Z

    Every diplomatic option was exhausted

    There was never a will to go to war from the leadership

    It was done because of the ultimatum given to NATO

    Russia calculated it could issue , and they knew the algorithmic outcome of the "yes" or "no" response from NATO.

    Yes was never likely, so it was always no, and with it, basically plan Z.

    To incorporate Ukraine into Greater Russian Union State and EAEU.

    Putin is not imperialist, in fact it was his last option

    NATO was and is still coming

    This is an existential war and always was

    It's just people like flaming are of weak psychological composure.

    They cannot understand what this war really means

    It is the beginning of a greater confrontation

    And Russia has built strategic weapons for this very reason...

    Operation Z is a last resort, the last attempt after the pursuit of every diplomatic potentiality since plan A which was greater europe from Lisbon to vladivostok

    Since that day every option has been explored and explored

    NATO came,  and this violence now seen in Ukraine would be happening to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Sochi, Minsk, And Ukraine included

    So it was decided to activate plan Z, containment of NATO in Ukraine

    And the continuation of ww3 by other means

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:04 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Today we know those three peoples as Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians respectively. They all have their own states based on their own native territories. I'd certainly give you that the Novorussian lands are somewhat their own thing. These were all colonized by the Russian Empire from nomadic Turkic tribes, Crimean Tatars, the Ottomans and so on. But they were colonized mostly with ethnic Ukrainians, and in an alliance with Ukrainian Cossacks who did a lot of the fighting. Ethnic Russians and other minorities mostly dominated in the cities, which were all built by the Russian Empire.

    Like UK or Spain yet those counties have one statehood. You don't see problem with that?

    I don't see a problem with that as that's the arrangement and an old one

    We also had such an arrangement - the Soviet Union, but it broke up

    We now have a new arrangement in the works - the Union State. Which consists of Russia and Belarus. The Ukraine is not in it. It can become part of it in the future and all efforts should be made to ensure that it does. However in that case it should enter the Union State as a single sovereign state, the same way Russia and Belarus have done. It shouldn't be broken up into separate countries or whatever. The Ukraine and the Donbass should be rejoined first by some arrangement.
    I would prefer a Ukrainian federation, where in addition to the DNR and LNR you would also have a Transcarpathian republic to accommodate the needs of the Hungarians and Rusyns.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:04 am

    For Russia continuation of the conflict in Ukraine is favorable

    That is why it takes time

    Because this will end with war with NATO

    In fact NATO is starting drills now on Norway

    NATO has come to the doorstep of Russia

    The next step is to evict NATO to 1997 by tactical nuclear weapons

    I know that's not what people want to hear

    But it is the truth...

    It's distressing, and highly scary

    But it is the truth, Russia will move NATO to 1997 and its waiting for those 50,000 NATO troops to accumulate in Norway, and for the Poles and Baltics, as well as Germans and French to make their way to the front

    From there, tactical nuclear strikes will hit all NATO sites

    And it will end at DEFCON 1 with Putin staring down  NATO with Poseidon and Burevestnik activated,  and Boreis in place

    Yes , this is indeed plan Z, the last available option to the Kremlin to Avert ww3 on Russian soil

    This will end in nuclear showdown / contest as 1961 and 1973


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:07 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The reconstitution of Ukraine as Russian aligned state is a plan that is being used as plan Z

    Z means it was the last option

    They went from plan A to plan Z

    Every diplomatic option was exhausted

    There was never a will to go to war from the leadership

    It was done because of the ultimatum given to NATO

    Russia calculated it could issue , and they knew the algorithmic outcome of the "yes" or "no" response from NATO.

    Yes was never likely, so it was always no, and with it, basically plan Z.

    To incorporate Ukraine into Greater Russian Union State and EAEU.

    Putin is not imperialist, in fact it was his last option

    NATO was and is still coming

    This is an existential war and always was

    It's just people like flaming are of weak psychological composure.

    They cannot understand what this war really means

    It is the beginning of a greater confrontation

    And Russia has built strategic weapons for this very reason...

    Operation Z is a last resort, the last attempt after the pursuit of every diplomatic potentiality since plan A which was greater europe from Lisbon to vladivostok

    Since that day every option has been explored and explored

    NATO came,  and this violence now seen in Ukraine would be happening to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Sochi, Minsk, And Ukraine included

    So it was decided to activate plan Z, containment of NATO in Ukraine

    And the continuation of ww3 by other means

    I am willing to fight for what I believe in.

    But breaking up of countries and identities is not what I believe in. The Ukraine can be liberated, but it should also be reunited - this is the only thing acceptable to me.
    This is Putin's own fault, first he talked about decommunization, then the next day switched to denazification. He should make up his mind. As a result of this many Ukrainians are terrified I'd imagine that they'll be made part of Russia and brainwashed into thinking they're Russians.

    This is the only issue for me. I'm not afraid of a confrontation with the West if I believe I have truth on my side myself, never was.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:10 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The reconstitution of Ukraine as Russian aligned state is a plan that is being used as plan Z

    Z means it was the last option

    They went from plan A to plan Z

    Every diplomatic option was exhausted

    There was never a will to go to war from the leadership

    It was done because of the ultimatum given to NATO

    Russia calculated it could issue , and they knew the algorithmic outcome of the "yes" or "no" response from NATO.

    Yes was never likely, so it was always no, and with it, basically plan Z.

    To incorporate Ukraine into Greater Russian Union State and EAEU.

    Putin is not imperialist, in fact it was his last option

    NATO was and is still coming

    This is an existential war and always was

    It's just people like flaming are of weak psychological composure.

    They cannot understand what this war really means

    It is the beginning of a greater confrontation

    And Russia has built strategic weapons for this very reason...

    Operation Z is a last resort, the last attempt after the pursuit of every diplomatic potentiality since plan A which was greater europe from Lisbon to vladivostok

    Since that day every option has been explored and explored

    NATO came,  and this violence now seen in Ukraine would be happening to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Sochi, Minsk, And Ukraine included

    So it was decided to activate plan Z, containment of NATO in Ukraine

    And the continuation of ww3 by other means

    I am willing to fight for what I believe in.

    But breaking up of countries and identities is not what I believe in. The Ukraine can be liberated, but it should also be reunited - this is the only thing acceptable to me.
    This is Putin's own fault, first he talked about decommunization, then the next day switched to denazification. He should make up his mind. As a result of this many Ukrainians are terrified I'd imagine that they'll be made part of Russia and brainwashed into thinking they're Russians. Maybe that's why resistance is so high.

    This is the only issue for me. I'm not afraid of a confrontation with the West if I believe I have truth on my side myself, never was.

    This is the cost of pre emptive war

    Flaming, we are in a state of FULL SCALE WAR

    Other wars always occurred in Russia, and without strategic depth, the old scheme was occurring again , history repeating

    Putin has saved our lives man

    Imagine NATO bombs hitting us in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sochi, Kazan, Rostov with Russian people dismembered, disfigured, and destroyed?

    It did not happen because of Saint Vladimir

    Who has defended Russia from this deadly war, and taken It to the heart of the enemy

    This ends like 1961 and 1973, nuclear showdown

    Ukraine is the beginning dude, buckle up we on a bumpy fucking ride

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:15 am

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/world/europe/ukraine-russia-nuclear-war.amp.html

    As Russia Digs In, What’s the Risk of Nuclear War? ‘It’s Not Zero.’

    A series of shifts in Russian statements about using nuclear weapons has led some analysts to believe that the Kremlin sees a nuclear exchange as a viable strategy.



    This is plan Z nuclear blackmail by Putin, The world is watching mighty Russia face down NATO

    We have left western Ukraine empty,  juicy for NATO to come in

    Let them come!!!

    The Nuclear iskander is ready, we will ring all of Poland with nuclear strikes, disarming AEGIS ASHORE as well as Romania at Deveselu

    Then we strike deep into Germany, England, Spain ports and we keep going until DEFCON 1 with USA

    Buckle up motherfuckers! I hope you're not atheists!!!!

    We have the weapons to win this shit!!! Let's go all the way!
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:19 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The reconstitution of Ukraine as Russian aligned state is a plan that is being used as plan Z

    Z means it was the last option

    They went from plan A to plan Z

    Every diplomatic option was exhausted

    There was never a will to go to war from the leadership

    It was done because of the ultimatum given to NATO

    Russia calculated it could issue , and they knew the algorithmic outcome of the "yes" or "no" response from NATO.

    Yes was never likely, so it was always no, and with it, basically plan Z.

    To incorporate Ukraine into Greater Russian Union State and EAEU.

    Putin is not imperialist, in fact it was his last option

    NATO was and is still coming

    This is an existential war and always was

    It's just people like flaming are of weak psychological composure.

    They cannot understand what this war really means

    It is the beginning of a greater confrontation

    And Russia has built strategic weapons for this very reason...

    Operation Z is a last resort, the last attempt after the pursuit of every diplomatic potentiality since plan A which was greater europe from Lisbon to vladivostok

    Since that day every option has been explored and explored

    NATO came,  and this violence now seen in Ukraine would be happening to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, Sochi, Minsk, And Ukraine included

    So it was decided to activate plan Z, containment of NATO in Ukraine

    And the continuation of ww3 by other means

    I am willing to fight for what I believe in.

    But breaking up of countries and identities is not what I believe in. The Ukraine can be liberated, but it should also be reunited - this is the only thing acceptable to me.
    This is Putin's own fault, first he talked about decommunization, then the next day switched to denazification. He should make up his mind. As a result of this many Ukrainians are terrified I'd imagine that they'll be made part of Russia and brainwashed into thinking they're Russians. Maybe that's why resistance is so high.

    This is the only issue for me. I'm not afraid of a confrontation with the West if I believe I have truth on my side myself, never was.

    This is the cost of pre emptive war

    Flaming, we are in a state of FULL SCALE WAR

    Other wars always occurred in Russia, and without strategic depth, the old scheme was occurring again , history repeating

    Putin has saved our lives man

    Imagine NATO bombs hitting us in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sochi, Kazan, Rostov with Russian people dismembered, disfigured, and destroyed?

    It did not happen because of Saint Vladimir

    Who has defended Russia from this deadly war, and taken It to the heart of the enemy

    This ends like 1961 and 1973, nuclear showdown

    Ukraine is the beginning dude, buckle up we on a bumpy fucking ride

    I'm not afraid of anything, as long as I'm convinced that we're doing the right thing and everything will turn out alright for the Ukrainians

    This was always the source of all doubt for me over the past 3 weeks

    They're not our enemies and we can't rob their country from them.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:22 am

    Remember if Russia goes after NATO with tactical nuclear strikes, they can only respond with B61

    So with more delivery systems, Russia can win all out tactical nuclear war

    And submit the West at strategic nuclear war level

    Once the shock value of tactical nuclear strikes sets in

    The world population will never be the same again

    They will plead for their leaders to back down, because they will understand what massive destruction will rain down on them

    1961 and 1973 were examples of this, but the world configuration was different

    People had witnessed nuclear strikes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and seen tests throughout the 50s and 60s

    Today without atmospheric tests, people do not understand the scale of such weapons

    So tactical nuclear strikes remain within the confines of Plan Z

    I am glad Putin is acting fucking "crazy" he is unpredictable... exactly the leader we need for nuclear level showdown

    Just keep dialing it up, and they will see their own asses are at stake


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:23 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Remember if Russia goes after NATO with tactical nuclear strikes, they can only respond with B61

    So with more delivery systems, Russia can win all out tactical nuclear war

    And submit the West at strategic nuclear war level

    Once the shock value of tactical nuclear strikes sets in

    The world population will never be the same again

    They will plead for their leaders to back down, because they will understand what massive destruction will rain down on them

    1961 and 1973 were examples of this, but the world configuration was different

    People had witnessed nuclear strikes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and seen tests throughout the 50s and 60s

    Today without atmospheric tests, people do not understand the scale of such weapons

    So tactical nuclear strikes remain within the confines of Plan Z

    There won't be a nuclear war. Calm down.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:26 am

    I wouldn't be so sure my man!

    Think of what you are seeing right now, this is not the cold war of boomers

    This is some kind of new phenomenon, were there is no real plan for de escalation

    We remain in an aggressive limbo where each step escalates the next

    Each action causes a reaction

    Yes probability is NATO will back down before

    But we cannot rule out the possibilities and I am glad Putin is acting like this

    It keeps them on their toes, it keeps them off guard

    What is the crazy Putin thinking?

    It's called reflexive control, and USSR implemented this in all nuclear showdowns

    The Kalibr strikes in Yavoriv shocked the whole west, they never expected it!

    So they shelved the no fly zone

    But you never know!!! Look at NATO now in Norway, they could make a move on Murmansk

    This is the way Kremlin must think, madman theory
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:31 am

    Nato exercises in Norway a lot. They are scared and think their little silly exercises to scare Russia.

    Russia was smart to leave majority of their military at home as a just in case.

    During their exercise, Russia needs to hold an exercise of their own, navy, airforce and army in the area.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:33 am

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10611969/amp/NATO-sends-30-000-troops-50-vessels-200-aircraft-Russian-neighbour-Norway-drills.html

    NATO flexes its muscles on Putin's doorstep: Alliance sends 30,000 troops, 50 vessels and 200 aircraft to Russian-neighbour Norway for military drills

    Flaming, NATO could be making a move, they perceived weakness, but this is the whole point

    Many people make the mistake of viewing Ukraine as isolate regional war

    No, this is Russia NATO war

    Some kalibr could hit NATO, let them implement their battle plans and enter Ukraine

    Hit em with nukes and get em back to 1997

    Better dead than red right!?
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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:38 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Remember if Russia goes after NATO with tactical nuclear strikes, they can only respond with B61

    So with more delivery systems, Russia can win all out tactical nuclear war

    And submit the West at strategic nuclear war level

    Once the shock value of tactical nuclear strikes sets in

    The world population will never be the same again

    They will plead for their leaders to back down, because they will understand what massive destruction will rain down on them

    1961 and 1973 were examples of this, but the world configuration was different

    People had witnessed nuclear strikes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and seen tests throughout the 50s and 60s

    Today without atmospheric tests, people do not understand the scale of such weapons

    So tactical nuclear strikes remain within the confines of Plan Z

    I am glad Putin is acting fucking "crazy" he is unpredictable... exactly the leader we need for nuclear level showdown

    Just keep dialing it up, and they will see their own asses are at stake

    Damn, this sounds way too damn close to what a lot of handjobs in Washington are saying. I don't see a limited nuclear war. Once the missiles start leaving their silos I think its over for most of the northern hemisphere and I fear none of us will survive. Now I can understand why Russia may possibly be goaded into a nuclear war, but such a thing must be kept in the realm of nightmare fuel. Just my opinion, please don't ban.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:39 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Nato exercises in Norway a lot. They are scared and think their little silly exercises to scare Russia.

    Russia was smart to leave majority of their military at home as a just in case.

    During their exercise, Russia needs to hold an exercise of their own, navy, airforce and army in the area.

    I think the evident Arctic focus here is about, well, the Arctic. Another frontier altogether, and actually one NATO/US (let's stop pretending it's about the concerns of anyone but the US, Norway for instance has never had any problems with Russia) deeply cares about, contrary to Ukrainian cannon fodder.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:41 am

    US is not in position to win nuclear escalation

    The democrats are against it and Republicans for it

    Russia will use this to exploit US division at a time of existential survival

    And no US will not go strategic when Russia goes tactical in nuclear

    We talk of nuclear weapons with conventional delivery systems

    Incirlik, Ramstein, Lakenheath, and other sites hosting B61 are targets

    Zircon is ready also to execute strikes in CONUS

    Russia can keep it conventional, and tactical at the Nuclear level

    Putin needs to stare them down like Reagan did to Gorby, look them in the eyes with 6000 missiles of Armageddon

    And this time, Russia has the advantage in delivery systems and enough time to execute full attack

    Poseidons should also be on patrol


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