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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:43 pm

    Arrow wrote:


    Nobody will start World War III in defense of Ukraine.
    Could there be a meeting with Putin -Zelensky?

    Well if Zelensky is threatening WW3 in the case of talks with him failing

    Then I think the solution is obvious - don't hold talks with him in the first place dunno

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:43 pm

    The conflict is a reflection of Syria

    Dnieper is like the Euphrates

    There will not be an AL Tanf due to Belarus neither a Kurdistan(nazistan)

    The war isn't necessarily being prolonged, but the economic situation benefits Russia and gives time to create new economy

    So there won't be a rush

    Steady demilitarization and denazification

    Putin will visit Ukraine as he did Syria

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

    However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.


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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:50 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

    However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.



    You must be smoking some terrible shit over there in India.

    Russian infantry, even these being green units, have rolled into the country and taken more than 40% and decimated an enemy that had heavy fortifications and concentration of manpower.

    Then again, I don't expect you to understand such basics. Being that your countries infantry actually did run out of ammo and constantly kept losing positions just gained in Kargil War.

    Edit: Jesus, what should I have expected. Flaming retard at it again.


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:51 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

    However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.



    The failure is as much political and ideological as it is military

    Military loses can be tolerated but the abysmal failure of the former two has made the war a lot more bloody than it needed to be. In fact if they were up to scratch, a war might have been avoided.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:52 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

    However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.



    The failure is as much political and ideological as it is military

    Military loses can be tolerated but the abysmal failure of the former two has made the war a lot more bloody than it needed to be. In fact if they were up to scratch, a war might have been avoided.

    What failure? You keep speaking of failures but all I see is Ukrainian forces being decimated.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:54 pm

    Lol those who talk about failures have no idea how modern war is fought

    Study Syria for you to learn

    Russia is not blitzkrieging Ukraine

    It's a steady demilitarization with different stages of assault

    Kherson operation resembled Palmyra

    Donetsk is a Idlib without Turkey

    Kiev is Damascus

    You can find parallels everywhere in this war and the way Russia conducts it

    Russia applies the experience of Douma, Palmyra, Idlib, Damascus, raqqah and all Syria to Ukraine

    The main difference is that here Russia struck AL Tanf at Yavoriv and Ochakov


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    Post  lyle6 Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Above all it's necessary to refrain from any more 'punishing' strikes such as the one against the barracks of the regiment in Nikolayev. Yes those guys were annoying and conducted some artillery strikes, but it's quite horrifying to just level a barracks like that, whose commander was too dumb to deploy his troops to patrols and field positions before beginning combat actions.

    Such 'demoralization' attacks are associated with the Nazis from WW2. It's going to horrify a lot of people and wipe out any chance of sympathy, especially since a certain proportion of these servicemen are local.

    Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    The Russians don't need sympathy from Ukraine's servicemen. They need them broken, their morale shaken so they won't commit to fighting Russia. Failing that, dead. Jesus Christ do you really want to lose this war?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:57 pm

    Russia is not losing anything, strikes on VSU servicemen are excellent

    Let them recycle the body parts of comrades, it occurred again this morning

    It will happen everyday until Donetsk and Kiev are sanitized

    The same thing happened in Idlib and Douma

    Look for the parallels

    Khasham, where US marines struck Wagner group, repeated in Yavoriv where US mercenaries were annihilated

    It's Syria, textbook work

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    Post  RTN Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:01 pm

    Mir wrote:This guided rocket dates from the late Soviet era >> Rolling Eyes

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    From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget. You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.

    Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.

    Another example is BAE's APKWS

    https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:02 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Above all it's necessary to refrain from any more 'punishing' strikes such as the one against the barracks of the regiment in Nikolayev. Yes those guys were annoying and conducted some artillery strikes, but it's quite horrifying to just level a barracks like that, whose commander was too dumb to deploy his troops to patrols and field positions before beginning combat actions.

    Such 'demoralization' attacks are associated with the Nazis from WW2. It's going to horrify a lot of people and wipe out any chance of sympathy, especially since a certain proportion of these servicemen are local.

    Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    The Russians don't need sympathy from Ukraine's servicemen. They need them broken, their morale shaken so they won't commit to fighting Russia. Failing that, dead. Jesus Christ do you really want to lose this war?

    He isn't worthy of communication honestly. He is a defeatist and a bullshitter. He bullshitted nonstop saying how weak putin is for not doing anything and when he does something, complains about that.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:03 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 40 1280px10

    This is the parallel today, at the commencement of Syrian operation

    Assad (LDNR) stood on verge of destruction


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 40 Syrian10

    After years this was achieved

    It could be that Hungary and Poland take some chunks like Turks did

    Many parallels

    But Russia has learned from Syria and will correct minor mistakes such as Idlib

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    Russia achieved massive gains quicker here though

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:08 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Unfortunately neither the Russian military nor political command has shown any great skill or understanding of obvious things in this conflict so far.
    They have proven that they are able to adapt and adjust quickly at the very least. But I think the barracks strike was a mistake and it will alienate Nikolayev's population.
    Russia has too vast a geography to defend and protect with boots on ground so they are probably optimised for mechanised warfare.

    However, this conflict brings to fore the critical importance of Infantry that Russia seems to be lacking. Infantry will need support of both artillery and armour but quality infantry will decide the result of close combat warfare.



    The failure is as much political and ideological as it is military

    Military loses can be tolerated but the abysmal failure of the former two has made the war a lot more bloody than it needed to be. In fact if they were up to scratch, a war might have been avoided.

    What failure? You keep speaking of failures but all I see is Ukrainian forces being decimated.

    That's the problem

    Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids

    Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side

    The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them, or destroy the Ukraine as a state - is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do, and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.


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    Post  Fred333 Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Reported from the front lines at the John Hopkins University in the US   Laughing

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    ⚡⚡⚡ last night 🇷🇺troops were thrown back on 60-70 km from the capital #Kyiv. Most of 🇷🇺its units suffered enormously high casualties they never had since WWII. 331 airborne brigade has only one servicemen survived. 🇷🇺 military Contractors refuse to be deployed to fight in 🇺🇦!

    I wonder how our "academic" upper class and media pundits will deal with the inevitable public cognitive dissonance after all this stuff has been revealed as obvious BS, despite all the censorship in place now

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:17 pm

    Flaming you are completely wrong, and present an amateur analysis

    Who said MOD wants this to end quickly?

    Syria is the best template for this operation

    The oil prices sustain large scale employment of kalibr and iskander routinely from 3am to 7am on a daily basis

    The war benefits Russia greatly, it's feeding all complexes of the industrial type and agricultural ones

    Russia is undergoing an economic boom on top of it

    The operation in Ukraine will be long and steady like Syria

    Good training ground for hypersonic weapons, and good SEAD training ground

    Many lessons were learned!!!

    Also from administrative experience in Syria Russia is adept and creating governance structures there

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:04 am

    Yes, Sevmash will have its hands full. We will also see how much the construction of surface warships will be accelerated after this conflict. I think that special emphasis will be placed on the frigates of project 22350.

    The improved Gorshkov design seems to be enlarged and with more missiles so I suspect it would actually be even better for blue water ops away from Russian waters...

    This depict Patriot missiles being transported to Slovakia, so i guess they are willing to transfer their only S-300PS battery to Ukraine i guess.

    Easier to destroy in transit within Ukraine than when it is operational... but they have already destroyed lots of S-300 systems already, which is better than HATO did in Kosovo over how long?

    Most individuals talking about high Russian casualties do not take into account the fact that Russia is doing so to protect Ukranian citizens. This aside the number of casualties is normal.

    Wait for the China-India war to breakout in the near future. Casualties will be in millions.

    We will then realize how effective Russia was in keeping casualties to a bare minimum.

    This abuse of a so called US ally (Kiev) suggests India and China might wake up and smell the roses and realise that playing games for the US is costly in money and lives and just isn't worth it for the parties involved... except the US...

    The next war might be a civil war in the US where the rich and urban people fight the rural people for food... that will be bloody.


    Like they're actually preparing to deploy this S-300PS system on the border with the Ukraine and try to use it to enforce a no-fly zone

    Any attempt to enforce a no fly zone would lead to the battery being obliterated along with any other batteries nearby... if they try to do that from outside the Ukraine then they are dragging that country into the war and all their military structures and assets are fair game... don't think they will want to do that.

    If they move it into the Ukraine... well the existing S-300s didn't create a no fly zone so how could this extra battery do it?

    Or if you mean the Patriot... it is even less capable than the S-300 the Ukrainians had and lost already.

    They can add disgarded NATO systems to it too, and try to incrementally build-up a no-fly zone

    Russia has S-400s in Kaliningrad and Belarus... if they try then they might find no fly zones stretching across their territory which will limit their capacity to fly in weapons for the Orcs too BTW.

    Would be a good idea... do it.

    At least for AFVs, the heavy losses among even modernized platforms against NATO's top shelf man portable anti-armor weapons comes as a bit of a shock.

    The thing is that with ambushes you don't take on the frontal armour and the difference in side armour from the T-72 to T-80 to T-90 etc etc is not enormously massively increased... T-14s wont be invincible... having APS systems will make more difference than having heavier armour.

    What did Shariy's Party do?

    They did condemn the Russian attack and they supply even western Ukrainians with medicine that is lacking now across the country (mostly insulin), help disabled people who can't leave their house, help with evacuations?
    I followed their work for some time and they really involved in humanitarian help.

    Kiev will blame all of Ukraines problems on Russia so it is important that Ukrainians suffer as much as possible...

    Biden and Johnson are applying the same logic... feed weapons into the conflict to make it worse because focusing on this, both men can pretend their own personal fuckups didn't happen... it is all Putins fault... including the dead in the west of Covid.

    so forposts have some aiming pods to use dumb bombs?

    Why would it need aiming pods, the bombs are dumb... what they need are ballistics computers... which they have clearly been fitted with.

    I'm only affraid Russians will run out of kalibr and iskander missiles...I think Nazis are just asking for moree democracy

    They were making them for a war with the west.... they wont be running out any time soon.

    Besides they also have Kh-32 and even obsolete anti ship missiles that have been upgraded with land attack capacity they could use like any remaining stocks of Granit or Vulcan, and similar older stocks of land launched anti ship missiles too...

    Even then the stock of weapons is enough for ww3

    More importantly, the ones they will be using against the west in a potential WWIII wont be conventionally armed anyway.

    Time for a smile, this person needs to buy a lottery ticket Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Unexpected arrival in Dergachi, Kharkiv region

    What is it?

    Looks like an artillery rocket... probably a Smerch (300mm calibre).

    What a rucking fetard David Frum is... Laughing Laughing he tweets this unbelievable propaganda nonsense just hours before "democratic hero" Zelensky bans all opposition parties!!! Why are Murkan neocons so fcking retarded?

    Fravid Dum sounds like a better name for him...

    So, i'm curious how's the Slovakian S-300 deal going.. the German apparently deploy Patriot in Slovakia. This could be a sign that they agree to transfer their only S-300PS battery to Ukraine in exchange of Patriot.

    To be fair they are German missiles, so the Slovakian missiles likely will remain in Slovakia... the German missiles are just there to help AFAIK.

    From the late Soviet era till date these rockets are NOT fire and forget.

    What are you talking about?

    All unguided weapons are fire and forget... all rifles and machine guns are fire and forget...

    You have an operator sitting in a helo who has to constantly send co ordinates to these rockets.

    The image he showed with his comment was a very heavy 266mm calibre aircraft rocket with a laser guidance system added to it... it is essentially a direct fire 150kg HE bomb, which in this case has laser homing... any laser target market could be used for this... carried by armoured vehicle, special forces operator, other aircraft or drone.

    They can be angled up at 30-40 degrees and fired at the target area from 10km away as long as something is marking the target as it arrives it can be very accurate.

    Guided rockets refers to rockets like the Thales FZ275 LGR that is coupled with a MX-15D electro-optical system from L3 Wescam.

    Another example is BAE's APKWS

    Those western guided rockets cost more than Ataka ATGMs and have less range and payload.

    Those decimated Ukrainian forces all have fathers, mothers, sisters, kids

    Yeah, who have spent the last 8 years shelling people they believed were Russian invaders, but were actually Russian speaking Ukrainians... who also have fathers and mothers and sisters and children...

    Any such conflict should be kept as short as possible and with as few casualties as possible, not only for the Russian side but also for the Ukrainian side

    Totally agree, but that comes down to the actions of the Ukrainian people doesn't it.

    The failure to convince the Ukrainian military that Russia is not there to harm them, or destroy the Ukraine as a state - is not only due to Ukrainian regime propaganda, but also our own political leadership's failures at explaining what we're there to do, and the failure of Russian ideology (which is basically Russian nationalism) to find much appeal in the Ukraine except in ethnic Russian areas.

    The US and west could have won hearts and minds by flooding the place with money, and instead they spent 8 years weaponising the country and making their side create an artificial other side to murder.

    Russia is just breaking what the west did.

    And it might take some time... but it will take as long as it takes.

    I wonder how our "academic" upper class and media pundits will deal with the inevitable public cognitive dissonance after all this stuff has been revealed as obvious BS, despite all the censorship in place now

    But that is the point... the Russian or Soviet studies departments of universities were closed down decades ago, and that is a big part of the problem...  no one in the west really took the time to actually understand the Russians and work out what they were about... leading to this.

    If anything the Russian MOD will take lots of time to get this right because they wont want to have to go in and try to do it again.

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