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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:46 pm

    Pacense wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
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    Sujoy wrote:Economic sanctions against Russia doesn't seem to be working. Here is an example:

    India doubles down on move to procure crude oil from Russia.


    "Oil-sufficient countries need not advise us on Russian imports" - India

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/discounted-crude-oil-from-russia-oil-sufficient-countries-need-not-advise-on-russian-imports-says-india-7826389/

    Sanctions are not suposse to work overnight. It will take its time to see its full effect. But large unemployment and decrease of product its at least expected.

    They literary were expected to work overnight, the whole point was shock & awe to elicit a bank run and mass protests, regime change

    But it didn't work and now instead the sanctions had to be quietly scaled back as it was harming Western economies. Trouble is though that both this move, and the war itself - has accelerated some serious glacial shifts in the world. An alternate banking & trading system, and other countries taking advantage of the West's weakened position to either elicit concessions from it, or settle their own scores.

    Of course the sanctions will harm Russia and pretty heavily. Nevertheless all Russia really needs to do is hang on and prosecute the operation to its completion, while deterring any NATO interference.
    That will trigger a NATO crisis in Europe, in addition to the economic crisis, and embolden other countries in the world such as Iran, China, Serbia and so on.

    Not true. Noone expected them to work overnight. And noone wants a regime change in Russia. If someone wants Russia not to succeede, than Putin must stay in Power Wink

    Can you provide any source regarding the sclaed back of sanctions? Because all recent news oints out to an increse on them. Good try anyway.



    Paging Garry, the inability to put posts in the right place is spreading. Some don't seem to be able to differentiate topics.

    Can't see any reason not to move this set.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    They have soldiers fighting urban warfare with some ambushes in the fields. But most their soldier are inside the cities and they have lost all their infrastructures. So that's not an army anymore. It's a well equiped ISIS like "army".

    What makes them go slow is the cities because they have to spend lot of time fighting hiden ukrainians among civils.

    Once Mariupol, Kiev and Karkhov fall I doubt ukrainians will have enough men to protect rest of the country. Then it's gonna go much faster.

    In the open areas and small towns russia will have huge air advantage and will destroy ukrainian positions much easier than in big cities.

    That is wrong, the Ukrainian frontline still exists in donbass area which is another reason why Khakrov hasn't been fully encircled yes, sorry but your information is very very very wrong and I have inside info on that. The Russians would control up to the river if there were no enemy forces outside of the cities.

    and no I am not insulting the russian army, I actually think given the circumstances the troops are in they are performing fairly well.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:56 pm

    The DNR military are paying a terrible price. Gleb Bazov is the guy with half his family in Mariupol


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    In his latest address, Zelensky said that he has awarded commander of Azov Regiment Prokopenko & commander of the 36th Marines Brigade Baranyuk the title "Hero of Ukraine", the highest possible award for a Ukrainian citizen, for their valiant defense of Mariupol. Paulus moment?

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    1—#MARIUPOL—Mariupol airport, the infamous #Biblioteka (Library) torture site of #SBU (#Ukraine|ian State Security Agency) and neo-#Nazi #Azov regiment has been liberated by #DNR and #Russia|n troops. There're reports of survivors of torture. (PHOTOS: Previous victims) 8/36

    —150-200 of #Ukraine|ian #Azov neo-#Nazi #NationalGuard troops, split into groups of 10-15, deserted overnight. 93 of them were eliminated by #Russia|n forces. Military sources on the scene indicate 4-7 days for the liberation of the city. (VIDEO: Mariupol evacs) 7/36

    —To save the city and its people from the fighters of the neo-#Nazi #Azov regiment of the #Ukraine|ian #NationalGuard, #Russia|n #MoD has announced that their lives will be spared, and they will be allowed to leave if they lay down weapons. #Kiev has refused. 6/36

    —DNR authorities report that in the week of March 11-17, 150 DNR soldiers and 46 civilians lost their lives, while 886 soldiers and 113 civilians were wounded. 35/36

    —#Ukraine|ian city administration is—for the first time—publicly encouraging evacuees to travel to #RF-controlled areas. Meanwhile, desperate #Azov neo-#Nazi #NationalGuard troops are reported to be deserting and fleeing the city on foot, disguised as civilians. 5/36


    #DNEPROPETROVSK—Sources report that #Ukraine|ian #SBU (#UA State Security Service) has removed patients & personnel of Hospital No. 2 on #Nigoyana St and mined it with explosives. SBU plans to detonate building when #Russia|n planes fly over. (VIDEO: #Nikolaev barracks) 32/36

    —#Ukraine|ian forces’ attempt to show initiative on the #Vyshgorod-#Gostomel-#Bucha line resulted in #UAF sustaining serious losses of military personnel and equipment. The counteroffensive—such as it was—failed. 9/


    Complete list at https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1505023357091299329


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:04 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    They have soldiers fighting urban warfare with some ambushes in the fields. But most their soldier are inside the cities and they have lost all their infrastructures. So that's not an army anymore. It's a well equiped ISIS like "army".

    What makes them go slow is the cities because they have to spend lot of time fighting hiden ukrainians among civils.

    Once Mariupol, Kiev and Karkhov fall I doubt ukrainians will have enough men to protect rest of the country. Then it's gonna go much faster.

    In the open areas and small towns russia will have huge air advantage and will destroy ukrainian positions much easier than in big cities.

    That is wrong, the Ukrainian frontline still exists in donbass area which is another reason why Khakrov hasn't been fully encircled yes, sorry but your information is very very very wrong and I have inside info on that. The Russians would control up to the river if there were no enemy forces outside of the cities.

    and no I am not insulting the russian army, I actually think given the circumstances the troops are in they are performing fairly well.

    Russia is not going to go to the Dniepr, not this way anyway. Sowing season is in full swing and it shouldn't be interrupted.
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    Post  franco Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:06 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    How many soldiers is that ?

    By now they have no more army. They must be fighting on foot around cities. All their vehicles are destroyed and they won't risk riding in.

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    I agree with you that the Ukrainian forces have performed better then expected and their battle plan to minimize the Russian strengths by deploying in urban areas has worked for the most part. It has evolved into a war of attrition which the Russians will still prevail in the end.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:09 pm

    Hole wrote:
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    Result of the Kaliber strike. Another pic shows some feet under the rubble. Withoput shoes. Or a body connected to them.

    I'm still upset by this shit to be honest

    They're idiots for attacking Russian forces while staying in the barracks

    But they're people who are fulfilling their duty in just protecting their state from attack, not protecting the regime

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    Post  mavaff Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:17 pm

    Khinzal on the go...pretty impressive.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:23 pm

    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    How many soldiers is that ?

    By now they have no more army. They must be fighting on foot around cities. All their vehicles are destroyed and they won't risk riding in.

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    I agree with you that the Ukrainian forces have performed better then expected and their battle plan to minimize the Russian strengths by deploying in urban areas has worked for the most part. It has evolved into a war of attrition which the Russians will still prevail in the end.  

    Given this turn of events, unconditional surrender is the only option. The country should remain a tiny fraction of what is right now and has to be completely controlled by Russia. They don't seem to have remorse for their crimes, so cannot be trusted.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:29 pm

    I put this in the Kinzal thread but thought it ought to be here too. Mind you the missile in the picture is at the wrong angle.

    You can image the reaction in NATO/US command centers when they saw this launched and on its way.

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    BREAKING: Russia has fired hypersonic Kinzhal ("dagger") missiles in Ukraine. Officially, the weapons were used to destroy a munitions depot in Ivano-Frankivsk. In reality, this is a MAJOR deterrent signal to NATO.

    Today, Putin has also taken one step closer to the nuclear threshold. He just demoed Russia's premier tactical-nuke delivery system in Ukraine.

    The message to NATO could not be clearer: If you intervene in the conflict, I will use this system against you. By firing Kinzhals in Ukraine, Putin is sending a major "do not F with us" message to the West.

    He is reminding the world that, whatever logistics challenges his military faces, it retains an edge in absolute bleeding-edge nuclear and conventional weaponry.

    Due to its extreme range, it is a "carrier killer" – capable of wiping out an entire U.S. Carrier Strike Group.

    Russia's use of the Kinzhal in Ukraine is similar to Trump's use of the MOAB (Mother of All Bombs) in Afghanistan in 2017. Putin's decision to use the Kinzhal is more escalatory than Trump's use of the MOAB, because the Kinzhal is nuclear capable.

    In both instances, the point of the weapons deployment was not the immediate combat effect. The goal is to menace other adversaries by demoing a system.



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:36 pm

    🇷🇺‼ The second phase of the military operation has begun. Russia first used hypersonic missile "Daggers" and began to destroy entire brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, now the fighting will be tougher

    At today's briefing of the Ministry of Defense, information was announced about the use of the Bastion and Dagger complexes as part of a special military operation. This is the first officially confirmed use of these types of weapons in a real conflict.

    This fact, as well as the emerging information about the successful use of cruise missiles against the mercenary base near Lvov and the location of the 79th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Nikolaev, suggests that Russia, with a high degree of probability, has begun the second phase of the NMD. And now, unlike the first stage, the conduct of hostilities is built not on the classical concept of a large-scale offensive, but on the principles of “new generation” armed conflicts, when, instead of a ground offensive, priority is given to the use of long-range precision weapons and mobile special-purpose sabotage groups. Such an approach, although it will require more time for the complete demilitarization of Ukraine, will significantly reduce the possible losses of regular ground formations of the RF Armed Forces.

    Thus, the military operation is increasingly beginning to look like a tough modern war by all the rules, which greatly frightens the Ukrainian leadership, which is increasingly turning to NATO with a request to create a no-fly zone. However, predictably, there is no talk of any no-fly zone.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:38 pm

    So Russia now begins to target the brigades themselves with hypersonic weaponry

    79th brigade is eviscerated, the 92nd also, all brigades west of Dnieper are being pummeled by hypersonic weapons

    Kiev and Donetsk VSU will not have support, as Russia increases the strikes on reserve brigades

    It's a calculation

    Targets are tactical, barracks, fuel, munitions storages for the brigades themselves, vehicle depots and repair sites at brigade level

    With Ukrainian losses approaching 25k, we can reliably confirm the loss of around 10-12 brigades that can only be constituted with reinforcements that are west

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    Post  mavaff Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:


    In both instances, the point of the weapons deployment was not the immediate combat effect. The goal is to menace other adversaries by demoing a system.



    Exactly what the US did in 1945 vs URSS when bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/22854

    VSU last stand

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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm

    Isos wrote:No IADS and no modern shorads to protect them.

    Plus Russia knowing them inside out and how to trick them with EW... not the brightest idea indeed. There are still substantial amounts of AD in Ukraine, but they don't seem to be more than a very limited threat for the VKS

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:54 pm

    I hadn't spotted it myself but did any of you? There have been strange and interesting changes in relative positions of the fronts as per maps over the past couple of days.

    Suddenly, in 'western' produced maps, north of Mariupol in particular the Russians have advanced over a lot of territory, bringing the maps more in line with 'Russian' produced maps. Why?

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    And here is why "Western Maps" did that:

    Mariupol - till Ukrainian MoD said (48h ago) Mariupol can't be saved - western maps showed "the corridor of hope" north of the city

    Mikulayiv: Western maps overestimated - to bring Ukraine some virtual victories by "counter offensives"

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:58 pm

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    John you are correct, since the major strikes on 79th brigade of VSU in the West, Russia has gained tempo in an offensive expanding control of territory

    In the south, big offensive goes to kurakhovo, VSU is displacing and going deeper to the center

    And in the east, units continue the envelope mentioned and destruction of VSU on the front line

    The objectives are Donetsk Oblast, with mariupol winding down they will finish Donetsk, as well as Kharkov

    Then it's Kiev, and then operation in the West of Ukraine

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:04 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:So Russia now begins to target the brigades themselves with hypersonic weaponry

    79th brigade is eviscerated, the 92nd also, all brigades west of Dnieper are being pummeled by hypersonic weapons

    Kiev and Donetsk VSU will not have support, as Russia increases the strikes on reserve brigades

    It's a calculation

    Targets are tactical, barracks, fuel, munitions storages for the brigades themselves, vehicle depots and repair sites at brigade level

    With Ukrainian losses approaching 25k, we can reliably confirm the loss of around 10-12 brigades that can only be constituted with reinforcements that are west

    The missile was merely a display unlikely to have a large stock of such weapons, its about sending a message over any damage.

    This is a regular thing in war, its an unspoken message.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:07 pm

    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukraine reportedly has 27 combat maneuver brigades:

    - 7 are engaged West of the Dnieper guarding Odessa and countering the Russian forces who crossed at Kherson  
    - 7 are engaged in the North protecting Kiev area
    - 13 are engaged in the East from Mariupol to Kharkov in the ATO zone... these are the focus

    Whilst those in the east are, as you say, the focus, the Russian actions at Odessa and Kiev seem to be primarily targeted at ensuring that only a minimum of those other brigades in the west can be spared to reinforce those in the east.

    How many soldiers is that ?

    By now they have no more army. They must be fighting on foot around cities. All their vehicles are destroyed and they won't risk riding in.

    If they had no army outside of major cities, the russians would have made far more progress by now, fact is Ukraine still has its army and its giving the russians more trouble then they thought capable.

    I agree with you that the Ukrainian forces have performed better then expected and their battle plan to minimize the Russian strengths by deploying in urban areas has worked for the most part. It has evolved into a war of attrition which the Russians will still prevail in the end.  

    Yes, I agree with this and said that before myself.
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    Post  Broski Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:07 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:What kind of drugs are these people on?
    Copium, Sir. Here at RussiaDefence, we're officially dubbing this conflict "The First Copium War".

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I hadn't spotted it myself but did any of you? There have been strange and interesting changes in relative positions of the fronts as per maps over the past couple of days.

    Suddenly, in 'western' produced maps, north of Mariupol in particular the Russians have advanced over a lot of territory, bringing the maps more in line with 'Russian' produced maps. Why?

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    And here is why "Western Maps" did that:

    Mariupol - till Ukrainian MoD said (48h ago) Mariupol can't be saved - western maps showed "the corridor of hope" north of the city  

    Mikulayiv: Western maps overestimated - to bring Ukraine some virtual victories by "counter offensives"

    Well lack of reliable data. I wouldn't trust any of those map since both parties can send troops in enemy territory and makes some attacks. None of the frontline areas are totally taken by anyone.

    Very dangerous places where they are all mixed and attacks can come from any direction.
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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:21 pm



    Maggots...

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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Well lack of reliable data. I wouldn't trust any of those map since both parties can send troops in enemy territory and makes some attacks. None of the frontline areas are totally taken by anyone.

    Very dangerous places where they are all mixed and attacks can come from any direction.

    Lack of reliable info my arse... they are filthy propagandists, pure and simple.

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    Post  par far Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:24 pm

    These cocksucking assholes will fit right in with the collective west.




    🇺🇦 A conscripted Ukrainian disguised as a woman was detained at a border crossing on the border with Romania.


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    Post  par far Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:27 pm

    The Donbass Republics Armed Forces will have a lot of weapons

    🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Chechen units of the Russian Armed Forces are inspecting a large ammunition depot, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine left without a fight in the city of Tokmak, Zaporozhye region.

    https://t.me/intelslava/22853

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    Post  Firebird Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 30 Fomxhj10
    Result of the Kaliber strike. Another pic shows some feet under the rubble. Withoput shoes. Or a body connected to them.

    I'm still upset by this shit to be honest

    They're idiots for attacking Russian forces while staying in the barracks

    But they're people who are fulfilling their duty in just protecting their state from attack, not protecting the regime

    Their duty isn't to support Nazism is it tho?!

    The "democratic veneer" is the very last thing to go in the move towards a total dictatorship.
    Half the region is denied its wish to speak Russian in a public sphere, to use pro Russia media, to trade with Russia, visit Russia and to vote for a party connected with that.

    Azov and the like have controlled ALL the genuinely influential organs of the state - mayors, oblast governors, police, secret police, security forces, ministries, military, the whole lot.
    Its a dictatorship with puppet president and puppet govt. Why on Earth is "Zelensky" giving Azov awards and major roles like head of the security services? Because he is a cowardly little puppet of Uncle Sham.

    Even Western sources confirm that.

    These Ukrainian soldiers knew what was coming but chose to do nothing. It was well over 8 yrs in the making.
    Russia can't stand by and let Azov and co do more and more ethnic cleansing, massacres and other evils.

    No one "likes" seeing regular Ukrainian soldiers dead. But its them or Russian speaking civilians or Donbass/Ru Fedn soldiers.

    Its not just your acts that get you to hell, its your omitting to act against evil.


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