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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:24 am

    And I'm not downplaying the crimes of the neo-nazis, 'ATO veterans' or others

    Nor the character of the Ukrainian regime. It can be best compared to the Contras in Nicaragua, Pinochet in Chile or whatever other tinpot US-sponsored dictatorship in Latin America, maybe with a greater touch of Nazi flavour and LGBT promotion being the main differences.

    It denies the identities of most of its ethnic minorities at a minimum and forces upon them Ukrainian identity and nationalism.
    Ethnic Russians in the Donbass, along with Ukrainians and Greeks living there - are outright shelled. 15,000 civilians have died in that conflict.
    Gypsies have been attacked in a series of pogroms.
    Hungarians and Rusyns in the west are intimidated into silence.
    Since 2014 thousands of political opponents have gone missing, and not only in the Donbass. Tens of thousands more have fled to Russia from the anti-Maidan and anti-fascist bloc, or to other countries.
    Journalists killed or intimidated.
    People have been jailed on separatism charges for simply opposing the regime.
    Plenty of torture allegations.
    Beatings on the street by nationalist gangs against people wearing Russian-associated symbols or doing something else that promotes outrage.
    Over 5000 appeals to the EU court from the Donbass alone - all of them rejected under some pretext allegedly.
    The 2014 Odessa trade house massacre, never investigated, and in fact a key figure in the massacre is now among the most prominent Ukrainian members of parliament.
    The snipers in the Maidan events, never investigated.
    Censorship, intimidation of anyone opining even that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people". Several young girls on TikTok and Instagram have been threatened after saying such words.
    Widescale mafia and criminal activities, shootings.
    For a couple years following the Maidan, male Russian citizens were not even allowed into the country.
    Various slogans and hateful propaganda against Russians as a people, not just against Putin.
    All sorts of neo-Nazi marches and commemorations of Nazi collaborators celebrated at an official level
    Neo-liberal economic policies that have deprived the working class of many social benefits and subsidies.
    Assimilatory policies in schools - all teaching in Ukrainian, even though half the country speaks Russian as a native language regardless of ethnicity. The service industry and retail employees are also obligated to speak Ukrainian to customers.

    And now that the war has begun, the most horrific policies have manifested themselves, such as keeping people in cities to use as human shields.
    The most disturbing Goebbels style propaganda as well.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/ukrainian-mps-claim-elderly-women-raped-executed-russian-soldiers-ukraine-war-1522959?ico=most_popular
    Ukrainian MPs claim elderly women are being raped and executed by Russian soldiers

    They reported stories of women unable to escape being targeted by Russian soldiers and claimed forces were traumatising a generation of children

    Nevertheless I see the Russian task as being to heal the country and restructure it, not to destroy it or take it apart. I hope the former happens.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:52 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Remember if Russia goes after NATO with tactical nuclear strikes, they can only respond with B61

    So with more delivery systems, Russia can win all out tactical nuclear war

    And submit the West at strategic nuclear war level

    Once the shock value of tactical nuclear strikes sets in

    The world population will never be the same again

    They will plead for their leaders to back down, because they will understand what massive destruction will rain down on them

    1961 and 1973 were examples of this, but the world configuration was different

    People had witnessed nuclear strikes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and seen tests throughout the 50s and 60s

    Today without atmospheric tests, people do not understand the scale of such weapons

    So tactical nuclear strikes remain within the confines of Plan Z

    I am glad Putin is acting fucking "crazy" he is unpredictable... exactly the leader we need for nuclear level showdown

    Just keep dialing it up, and they will see their own asses are at stake


    In case of nuclear war, what would be Russia's objectives in Europe and the United States?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:57 am

    Pointless to bring up Nukes, if those start flying neither Russia nor the US will survive both countries will be taken out.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:45 am

    Exactly- that's why there will be an attempt to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
    But IMO tactical nuke(s) could still be used in Central or Eastern Ukraine to wipe out big concentrations of Ukr. military & diehards nationalist battalions.
    URGENT how Russian special forces fought their way out of the encirclement
    video of the work of the Russian armed forces

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:58 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

    It's an incredibly drastic move all in all, especially in this day and age when we've gotten so used to rather immobile borders for a couple of generations (well, Yugoslavians beg to differ I guess), but historically speaking it's standard European business.

    Well, one should say this joke about "rather immobile border" to Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya first Laughing
    I get your point obviously, just trying to expand it a while.
    Borders are not immobile those days, the difference is that till now, those used to be reshaped by the will of ze Wezt.
    So the whole propaganda machine was used either to proclaim the goodness behind that, or to cover the fact.
    A usual day-load shit eater not only has zero knowledge about being de facto occupied Syria, but gives a f*k about that.
    Mass hysteria we are witnessing is mostly connected to the fact, that it turned out that the king is naked.
    The only ones who were baptized to use a decisive force to achieve its goals were the US and its vassals.
    And ... now the feeling is gone. It hurts.

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    Post  mavaff Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:07 am

    US mercenaries allegedly KIA.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:39 am

    Dont think these mercs and volunteers from the west realized that this war is very different from the way we westerners have usually had it. The way some people are talking lately is madness. Calls of assassinations by politicians, and legit attempts at trying to develop consensus that potential nuclear conflict is worth our involvement in Ukraine. As I have said on previous posts I'd have old john birch warhawks from 20th century cold war any day to these modern neolib and neocon politicians. Thry at least most of them tasted total war and were old enough to remember nukes used on living people. Our generations are out of touch, and mixed with this is a disturbing cocktail of ideological delusions.

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    Post  limb Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:58 am

    Can anyone explain to me the tactics used by ukrainians that allow them to shoot artillery and not be immediately neutralized? Shouldn't artillery be very hard to conceal? Would NATO have had the same trouble with not finding towed artillery positions early enough before they fire barrages' doin heavy damage?

    Also what was the result of the nikolaev counterattack? Did the russians suffer heavy losses there or is it exagerrated?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:59 am

    TMA1 wrote:Dont think these mercs and volunteers from the west realized that this war is very different from the way we westerners have usually had it. The way some people are talking lately is madness. Calls of assassinations by politicians, and legit attempts at trying to develop consensus that potential nuclear conflict is worth our involvement in Ukraine. As I have said on previous posts I'd have old john birch warhawks from 20th century cold war any day to these modern neolib and neocon politicians. Thry at least most of them tasted total war and were old enough to remember nukes used on living people. Our generations are out of touch, and mixed with this is a disturbing cocktail of ideological delusions.

    Common sense is dying on war just after the truth, so ...
    People get hyped and don't keep the pressure.

    This whole "volunteer" thing is kinda funny because it is enough to look at the faces.
    Half of them hardly need to shave Laughing Laughing and looks like 100% incels breed on a daily dose of Arma Laughing Laughing

    It will start to be really interesting if Syrians would have arrive. The guys are battle hardened, and skilled for urban warfare due to 10+ years of harsh&brutal conflict. They know the all the dirty tricks and performed them with 50y/o weapon donated from the Russian storage.
    Give them some RPO-A, serious artillery support and recon, and take a popcorn.

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    Post  limb Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:18 am

    flamming_python wrote:


    Neo-liberal economic policies that have deprived the working class of many social benefits and subsidies.


    Nevertheless I see the Russian task as being to heal the country and restructure it, not to destroy it or take it apart. I hope the former happens.

    This part is extremely important. it would be a huge FU to the overwhelmingly pro-soviet ukrainian working class which has suffered from capitalism in ukraine to be have capitalism continue. Thats why there should be collectivization of ukrainian agriculture and industry, instead of selling it to any member of the bourgeoisie. Contrary to many delusional capitalists here, ukraine isn't a communist, project, at least not in the sense of it being an anti-russian state that spreads pseudohistory in order to portray how opressed it was by russia. Communist ukraine was envisioned as a brotherly slavic communist nation, which would be in an eternal alliance due to thankfulness from being liberated from the bourgeois polish state.

    Anti-communism is a hallmark of the current perverted ukrainian identity because of the lie of the "holodomor". The western puppets in ukraine have been using this fake genocide as tool of russopbobia. To have a "decommunization" of ukraine would mean making ukraine russophobic, since anti-communism there is based on the retarded grieavance  that 7 billion ukrainian kulaks had their grain "stolen". Without anti-communism, there's no ukrainian identity as we know it. This means that anti-communism must be surpressed.

    Nothing would reverse ukrainian "identity" as having some nice dekulakization and healthy collectivization of private property, as well as debunking the lie of the holodomorino.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:47 am

    limb wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:


    Neo-liberal economic policies that have deprived the working class of many social benefits and subsidies.


    Nevertheless I see the Russian task as being to heal the country and restructure it, not to destroy it or take it apart. I hope the former happens.

    This part is extremely important. it would be a huge FU to the overwhelmingly pro-soviet ukrainian working class which has suffered from capitalism in ukraine to be have capitalism continue. Thats why there should be collectivization of ukrainian agriculture and industry, instead of selling it to any member of the bourgeoisie. Contrary to many delusional capitalists here, ukraine isn't a communist, project, at least not in the sense of it being an anti-russian state that spreads pseudohistory in order to portray how opressed it was by russia. Communist ukraine was envisioned as a brotherly slavic communist nation, which would be in an eternal alliance due to thankfulness from being liberated from the bourgeois polish state.

    Anti-communism is a hallmark of the current perverted ukrainian identity because of the lie of the "holodomor". The western puppets in ukraine have been using this fake genocide as tool of russopbobia. To have a "decommunization" of ukraine would mean making ukraine russophobic, since anti-communism there is based on the retarded grieavance  that 7 billion ukrainian kulaks had their grain "stolen". Without anti-communism, there's no ukrainian identity as we know it. This means that anti-communism must be surpressed.

    Nothing would reverse ukrainian "identity" as having some nice dekulakization and healthy collectivization of private property, as well as debunking the lie of the holodomorino.
    .

    That's pretty much the plan, especially as the Ukrainian oligarchs betrayed Russia. Only the people of the Donbass earlier, and now the largely agricultural Kherson regions have agreed to Russian intervention. While Yanukovich and his clan have been political and economic corpses since 2014.

    Basically convert it into a state-planned, nationalized, de-oligarchized economy like Russia itself is becoming


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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:47 am

    flamming_python wrote:And I'm not downplaying the crimes of the neo-nazis, 'ATO veterans' or others

    Nor the character of the Ukrainian regime. It can be best compared to the Contras in Nicaragua, Pinochet in Chile or whatever other tinpot US-sponsored dictatorship in Latin America, maybe with a greater touch of Nazi flavour and LGBT promotion being the main differences.

    It denies the identities of most of its ethnic minorities at a minimum and forces upon them Ukrainian identity and nationalism.
    Ethnic Russians in the Donbass, along with Ukrainians and Greeks living there - are outright shelled. 15,000 civilians have died in that conflict.
    Gypsies have been attacked in a series of pogroms.
    Hungarians and Rusyns in the west are intimidated into silence.
    Since 2014 thousands of political opponents have gone missing, and not only in the Donbass. Tens of thousands more have fled to Russia from the anti-Maidan and anti-fascist bloc, or to other countries.
    Journalists killed or intimidated.
    People have been jailed on separatism charges for simply opposing the regime.
    Plenty of torture allegations.
    Beatings on the street by nationalist gangs against people wearing Russian-associated symbols or doing something else that promotes outrage.
    Over 5000 appeals to the EU court from the Donbass alone - all of them rejected under some pretext allegedly.
    The 2014 Odessa trade house massacre, never investigated, and in fact a key figure in the massacre is now among the most prominent Ukrainian members of parliament.
    The snipers in the Maidan events, never investigated.
    Censorship, intimidation of anyone opining even that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people". Several young girls on TikTok and Instagram have been threatened after saying such words.
    Widescale mafia and criminal activities, shootings.
    For a couple years following the Maidan, male Russian citizens were not even allowed into the country.
    Various slogans and hateful propaganda against Russians as a people, not just against Putin.
    All sorts of neo-Nazi marches and commemorations of Nazi collaborators celebrated at an official level
    Neo-liberal economic policies that have deprived the working class of many social benefits and subsidies.
    Assimilatory policies in schools - all teaching in Ukrainian, even though half the country speaks Russian as a native language regardless of ethnicity. The service industry and retail employees are also obligated to speak Ukrainian to customers.

    And now that the war has begun, the most horrific policies have manifested themselves, such as keeping people in cities to use as human shields.
    The most disturbing Goebbels style propaganda as well.
    https://inews.co.uk/news/ukrainian-mps-claim-elderly-women-raped-executed-russian-soldiers-ukraine-war-1522959?ico=most_popular
    Ukrainian MPs claim elderly women are being raped and executed by Russian soldiers

    They reported stories of women unable to escape being targeted by Russian soldiers and claimed forces were traumatising a generation of children

    Nevertheless I see the Russian task as being to heal the country and restructure it, not to destroy it or take it apart. I hope the former happens.

    Here in the West, Russians are now prosecuted and condemned just like the Jews back when 1933 kicked off.
    We are just inches away to slap an red star on their jackets instead of an yellow one.

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    You are entitled to your own opinions of course. I do not question that.
    But in this conflict there just is not the luxury to take sides.

    Russia and its people are dehumanized everywhere in the west.
    They get kicked out of shops and their shops demolished,
    Denied entry to shops. harassed at home etc.
    Just for standing up for themselves and their people.

    I do not mean to be hyperbolic, but is this any different from WW2?.
    We are just inces away to slap an red star on Russians, instead of the yellow david star on jews.

    The world is not a nice place, If you want to be left alone. Be prepared to bleed for it.
    Of course, i am an Western European. I am the last that has any say in this matter.
    We destroyed nations all over the world and caused suffering everywhere, where i played an part in it.

    I am of opinion tough that the lives lost in WW2 by the slavic people was high enough that Nazism should be burned down to its roots if it ever surfaces again.
    And Ukraine wasted it's right to independence by allowing this monstrosity to fester on its territory and on russian's border.

    You illustrate yourself the examples of russia-hatred.

    I was an professional SF airborne soldier for 10 years.
    Maybe i see the world trough the barrel of an gun, I however want to prevent civilian suffering as well. As i seen it over 10 years inside NATO done to people under NATO's AO.

    But, Ukraine can not be restructured. It has chosen its path back in 2014.
    In my opinion?. Yes Ukraine should be torn apart. with an tiny useless bit in the western Ukraine that Zelensky and Co can cry about. And the Rest of Ukraine to the East can get an chance to rebuild their lives.
    Free from being exploited by the West for an penny.
    Ukraine wasted its right to be an independent state with all the shit it has done in just the last 8 years alone.

    Even before this, Eastern Europeans are treated like second rate in western Europe. Like they are sub-human.
    It disgusts me, yet everyone here in the west think's its normal. Wages that are half or less to their western counterparts. And working conditions that are sometimes twice as heavy.
    All under this damn blue flag with yellow stars on it, exploiting on behalf of the mega-corporations in the West.

    Ukraine needs to be sorted out and be put back in line.
    This is being done now, at the cost of the lives of Russian Soldiers that know what needs to be done.
    I want to see troops on parade, not in an grave.
    But Soldiers are not "show pony's". They exist to do a job.

    That Russian troops fly the Soviet and Imperial collours is about Unity. Makes a great Meme too of course.
    The western society is an Disease that only divides and corrupts society. Western countries are barely holding together under this.
    Meanwhile denying everything that is being done to the slavic people.
    Exploitation, genocide, etc.

    This conflict in Ukraine is about the slavic people standing up to the West.
    In more ways than one.
    The "Free world" chose this path, It is not Putin or Russia's fault.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:10 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:But, Ukraine can not be restructured. It has chosen its path back in 2014.
    In my opinion?. Yes Ukraine should be torn apart. with an tiny useless bit in the western Ukraine that Zelensky and Co can cry about. And the Rest of Ukraine to the East can get an chance to rebuild their lives.
    Free from being exploited by the West for an penny.
    Ukraine wasted its right to be an independent state with all the shit it has done in just the last 8 years alone.

    You can't murder your own brother

    You can catch him robbing some old lady, beat the shit out of him, confiscate his narcotics, put him in rehab - but even then, you yourself will pay for the treatment

    Russians, Belarussians and Ukrainians share a relationship that's difficult for outsiders to understand. Any war between them is essentially a civil war. Even though formally yes, they are 3 different peoples in 3 different states. But they all had their ethnogenesis in the same Rus' state and have shared the same state for most of the last 1000 years. Just about everyone in all 3 countries has some relatives in one of the others or originally from one of the others.

    The hate the Ukrainian regime generated among its people was unnatural. But plainly speaking, Russia is guilty too. It was quite an insult to just grab the Crimea like that and leave the Ukrainians with crumbs, not even any compensation. We also had casual chauvinism towards Ukrainians developing over the last 30 years just as there was nationalism towards us there. Although on our side it was a lot less serious of course.

    This conflict is a family feud. Once the Ukraine is straightened out, it should be patched back up, and ultimately, left to make its own decisions and trusted to have learned lessons. That means leaving it as a sovereign state, even if internally reconfigured to make sure the retarded Bandera-worshippers stay in Western Ukraine and outside the seats of power.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:55 am

    The way nations form or contract or expand , resembles the movement of Amoeba . It is a type of blind reaction , that takes place locally , without the control of a mega- mind . It is the ( human ) physics at a local level , that is the determinant , we can but go along with the flow . Although we may see the storm coming , the population's own collective conscious will only see and act on it's limited local reality , when for example their houses collapse on their heads ; they will then act , not before . And the best we can do , is be ready to act in their interests then , and not before .

    And they are voting with their feet and with Bullets . Ukraine is a fractured and fracturing society . It is a failed state . All the super - glue in the world , will not stick it together again ! And as a good midwife or a divorce lawyer , all we can do , is to go with the flow . Reducing the pain , where we can . And did anyone see the expansion of NATO , as an existential threat to Russia ? Yes they did , a few people at the top . But the population ? Ah....They were thinking of having a Burger King open in their town ! And if you told them " your houses will collapse on your heads , " they would not listen .

    Ukraine is the most acute example of this East- West tension . Repeated many times , over historical periods . We can not stop it , but only be ready for it and protect the populations , as best we can , for when it assumes destructive proportions . And the majority , see it now . They see the West inspired , ethnic cleansing of Russians . So now they will not mind , loosing their  KFC ! And gaining their pride .


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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:13 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    I do not mean to be hyperbolic, but is this any different from WW2?.
    We are just inces away to slap an red star on Russians, instead of the yellow david star on jews.

    The world is not a nice place, If you want to be left alone. Be prepared to bleed for it.
    Of course, i am an Western European. I am the last that has any say in this matter.
    We destroyed nations all over the world and caused suffering everywhere, where i played an part in it.

    I am of opinion tough that the lives lost in WW2 by the slavic people was high enough that Nazism should be burned down to its roots if it ever surfaces again.
    And Ukraine wasted it's right to independence by allowing this monstrosity to fester on its territory and on russian's border.

    You illustrate yourself the examples of russia-hatred.

    I was an professional SF airborne soldier for 10 years.
    Maybe i see the world trough the barrel of an gun, I however want to prevent civilian suffering as well. As i seen it over 10 years inside NATO done to people under NATO's AO.

    But, Ukraine can not be restructured. It has chosen its path back in 2014.
    In my opinion?. Yes Ukraine should be torn apart. with an tiny useless bit in the western Ukraine that Zelensky and Co can cry about. And the Rest of Ukraine to the East can get an chance to rebuild their lives.
    Free from being exploited by the West for an penny.
    Ukraine wasted its right to be an independent state with all the shit it has done in just the last 8 years alone.

    Even before this, Eastern Europeans are treated like second rate in western Europe. Like they are sub-human.
    It disgusts me, yet everyone here in the west think's its normal. Wages that are half or less to their western counterparts. And working conditions that are sometimes twice as heavy.
    All under this damn blue flag with yellow stars on it, exploiting on behalf of the mega-corporations in the West.

    Ukraine needs to be sorted out and be put back in line.
    This is being done now, at the cost of the lives of Russian Soldiers that know what needs to be done.
    I want to see troops on parade, not in an grave.
    But Soldiers are not "show pony's". They exist to do a job.

    That Russian troops fly the Soviet and Imperial collours is about Unity. Makes a great Meme too of course.
    The western society is an Disease that only divides and corrupts society. Western countries are barely holding together under this.
    Meanwhile denying everything that is being done to the slavic people.
    Exploitation, genocide, etc.

    This conflict in Ukraine is about the slavic people standing up to the West.
    In more ways than one.
    The "Free world" chose this path, It is not Putin or Russia's fault.


    Why are Jews always victimized? Many of those current mega-corporations are led by Jews, globalism and the international financial system is managed by them. The Ukrainian president is Jewish and some of the leading Russophobes in Ukraine are Jewish. Ah!
    Jewish Zionism is one of the most important lobbies of US interventionism. Should look for other better examples.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:19 am

    This really is the beggining of the end now. The residents of these cities will call for the Russian army themselves just to save themselves from these kamikaze madmen

    Which would not happen if they went in artillery heavy to minimise their own losses.

    shit!!! What downed that?

    Sounded like cannon fire but it was already hit by the time he got it in screen... the last second ejection suggests the pilot likely didn't survive... too late for the chute to open.

    Now, APS systems on the other hands would give way more chances to survive this and Russia tested APS in Syria from 2016 even on light vehicles. I imagine Russia has interesting products in the pipeline. But it is how it is at the moment.

    They have been testing APS systems since the 1980s in Afghanistan... and they worked there too.

    Problem is the radar signal can be tracked so a peer enemy will detect you from enormous distances based on your APS emissions.

    APS system for Armata is IR/UV and radar or one or the other...

    Ukrainians abandon their equipment very often. Anyways, good hit.

    That is OK too... it is important not to think of all of them as nazi scum... many are just conscripts who believe what they are told.

    Never seen how Malka explosion looks from above, but I assume it would look massive as well.

    The target was trucks and towed guns by the look of it so the explosion might include unused ammo on the ground too.

    Russian 203mm SPG 2S7M "Malka" destroys a Ukrainian SPG and a small ammunition depot near Kharkov

    That was inside the forest, which would make it a tricky target for laser guided weapons... the laser beam pointed from a shallow angle can hit branches of other trees dozens of metres away from the target leading to a miss.

    IMO they should ask for some chinese drones. China has plenty of drones type but also weaponery for them.

    The whole point of drones is that they are small and cheap and can be produced in numbers... they have already invested in drones and their version of the forpost has already used weapons... they have shown videos, which means they have probably been in production for a while now...

    Forpost is israeli and produced in russia with israrli electronics which are subject to the embargo. Forpost-R is russian new version with weapons but it isn't still produced in huge quantity, it's relatively new. IMO it also uses civilian electronics and will be impacted by embargo

    I would expect they are making their own electronics for it already... they knew there would be embargos.

    China would very likely sell them at broken price or for more oil contracts... such drones would keep roof on building empty and lead the ukrainian to not be able to fight and give up.

    I think you massively over estimate the impact of drones.

    Drones killing orc artillery and vehicles

    Well drones watching artillery killing artillery and vehicles.... the drones last longer if they don't have to carry weapons around, and it is easy to drive up to an artillery piece with a truck full of more ammo to continuously support several drones operating around the enemy positions.

    What's with the mosins?

    Use standard ammo that is widely available, accurate and powerful, but being a guerilla that does not want to kill the civilians around the place that are also his fellow citizens.

    It was likely a hunting rifle he had, or they didn't have a lot of guns to hand out like Kiev...

    Makes no sense, just give them SVD. Bolt action and especially in sentry duty?

    When was it taken and where... this might be a DNR or LNR soldier in 2015 when there was no abundance of weapons lying around.

    Look at the pictures it's more than 1.

    When he got on the news more people wanted the WWII rifle to also get on the news.... also more than one grandpa.

    Although in general, so far Russia continues to insist that no occupation of Ukrainian territories is planned.

    The various regions will decide their own futures after they have been cleansed of vermin.

    No water and food is OK, but no Facebook...? War crime!

    But does it still count as a warcrime if you can't get on instagram to tell anyone about it?

    Also you guys say that the javelin has a conspicuous plume from the rocket. I guess it's not conspicy because the tank crew didn't see it.

    No one said that... but Javelin climbs high enough in the air to be detected by TOR systems operating further back, and Shtora would detect the Javelin and automatically launch smoke and turn the turret towards the launch position of the incoming round...

    Also earlier pictures of DNR troop movements also show multiple people with Mosins.

    Better weapons go to the front line... these are guards or MPs and not frontline troops... better to send the SVDs to kill Orcs.

    ...But when the Donbass insurrection started in early 2014 there were loads of ancient weaponry being used by the rebels. Many had seized Ukrainian army/Berkut/police AK-74s of course, in the mid-1980's "plum" furniture, but there were also civilian guns, and lots of old Mosins, PPSh's, PPS's, SKS's even some PTRD/S-41s...

    They clearly have engineers amongst them too as I saw some AKs with 23mm cannon barrels cut to a relatively short length and somehow fitted to the muzzle of an AK... the 23mm cannon round is pulled from a shell from ammo they can't use and muzzle loaded into the rifle and a blank round launches the projectile whose acceleration arms the fuse and it explodes on impact.

    Obviously if they were well supplied by the Russians like Kiev said they were they would have 40mm underbarrel grenades and grenade launchers which are safer and more accurate, but you do with what you have.

    As I predicted, Putin sent his military to Ukraine, & later at least a big part of it will be annexed to RF, while the other part(s) will be given semi-independent/autonomous status or taken by Poland & Hungary.

    You are right, but apart from the Crimea, Russia does not want any of the rest, but they do want to remove the nazis and allow those in the Ukraine to live in peace and make their own decisions. They will be independent states that might form a federation, but I doubt Russia will let them join the Russian federation any time soon... not a decision they can fairly make so quickly.

    Let them be independent states for a while with open border trade with Russia and see how they develop and progress... they might be happy to remain independent.

    Western circles guessing how it will end. Still to big, if you ask me.

    Must be something in there they are desperate to keep hold of...

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:30 am

    Good progress on recovering the rest of their oblasts. Its clear from this where the bulk of the Ukies are and hence where they were planning to strike.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:50 am

    It had to happen, claimed to be the maintenance and fuel storage areas.



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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:53 am

    Re the second post below, I assume that this will have a big impact on food supplies over much of Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:59 am

    Ours is claimed to be one of the best intel/security operations in the World Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Ispan Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:59 am

    Today's briefing is three extensive operational summaries from different sources, in the evening there may be another report about today's fighting

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/parte-de-guerra-18-03-2022/

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:06 am

    Refugee who's evacuating Mariupol undergoes a search by DNR militia for potential Nazi tattoos, a potential sign of Azov membership. He says that he fully supports the searches, but that half the youth of the city have such tattoos by now, including ones that were too young to understand what even went on in 2014

    https://t.me/intelslava/22737

    Sad how effective Azov has been in transforming the city into an upcoming Russian Nazi colony (half the Azov members are neo-nazis from Russia, some Croatian neo-nazis as well)


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:06 am

    Ispan wrote:Today's briefing is three extensive operational summaries from different sources, in the evening there may be another report about today's fighting

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/parte-de-guerra-18-03-2022/

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    Parte de guerra 18/03/2022 - summary of operations
    18 March, 2022 Zhukov

    TODAY - Progress map, official Russian communique

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    Yesterday - Summary of the evening

    South Front. More or less quiet environment. Explosions in the center of the Nikolayev region. Either our troops are finishing off with artillery with the remnants of the Ukrainian tank battalion on Bashtanka, or they are attacking in the direction of Krivoy Rog, where our forces are trying to force the Ingulets River, and judging by the enemy's reports, in some places it turns out that we need to gain a foothold on the left bank. Nikolayev is blocked, but the assault does not take place. Odessa is watching our ships, which periodically approach, and languidly waits for the Russian landing force, which is in no hurry to disembark. Judging by the video on the network, mines begin to detonate on the beach, without waiting for the Russians to arrive.

    East Front. In Mariupol, the liberation of the city continues. Advanced detachments of troops have reached the central districts, the enemy is retreating to the Azovstal steelworks. The evacuation of civilians continues in the city. According to the military at the front, Mariupol will be completely liberated in 4-7 days. In Gulai-Pole, the situation is unclear. But in Ugledar, the Ukros retreated, but the city is not occupied by us yet. East of Ugledar, DPR and Russian troops have advanced further north and are moving towards Kurakhovo. On the Avdeyevka-Gorlovka line, there are fewer successes, we are gaining ground and fighting counterattacks. Yesterday's situation in Izyum continues, Russian troops are slowly but surely approaching Slavyansk, but there are still blocked forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south of Izyum. And again, the army of the LPR is happy: tonight the flag of the republic was hoisted on the administration building, the soldiers of Ukraine retreated to Severodonetsk, where serious battles are also taking place. Kharkiv has no changes, there are positional battles and artillery skirmishes, the information that our troops took Chuguev was not confirmed.

    The Northern Front. Yesterday, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attempted a counterattack in the north-west of Kiev. The attempt failed, apparently our troops were warned about this maneuver, and the Ukrainian army was ambushed. Today it was reported that our troops launched an attack in this direction and defeated the enemy column in Vyshgorod. To the east of Kiev, our troops are strengthening their rear and flanks, and several settlements have come under our control. Once again, one-off attacks were carried out on objects in Sarny (Rivne region).

    It should also be noted reports of attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on residential areas of Melitopol and the settlement of Kazachya Lopan. This is very similar to revenge against residents of localities that are under the control of the Russian Federation.



    Today Summary of Strelkov

    Summary of LDNR:

    In Mariupol, and bloody street battles persist. And today or tomorrow they will definitely not be completed. The forces that participated (and will be partially lost) in the assault could now close the encirclement of the entire Donetsk enemy group. But they are stuck... I still don't see a reasonable explanation for the beginning of the assault, but now it can't be stopped in any case, we must finish with a complete victory. Otherwise, it will be a victory for the enemy. However, it does not seem that there are plans to stop it.

    There are local battles in the Ugledar area. The DPR Armed Forces are trying to achieve a tactical breakthrough. Enemy- actively operates on the flanks and attacks communications, using, among other things, "wandering tanks", which is facilitated by the absence of a solid front line.

    In the Donetsk region, frontal attacks on Marinka and Avdeyevka did not lead to an advance of the heavily fortified enemy defense line, as expected, despite the heavy losses of the attackers. I have no explanation for these attacks from any point of view. It remains to assume only the complete professional incompetence of the military leaders who gave the order to conduct them. (Again, instead of using these forces to surround the enemy on the open flanks of your group.)

    In the LDNR, fierce fighting continued in the Popasnaya zone and in the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk zone. The command declared full control over the village of Rubezhnoye. The enemy has withdrawn its heavily battered units to Severodonetsk, so the fighting continues on the close approaches. Severodonetsk-Lisichansk, most likely, will be defended by the enemy until the last opportunity and until its complete destruction "according to the Volnovakha model". The enemy is quite satisfied with this. Why to this also "suits" the Russian military command (that is, "playing by the enemy's rules") is not clear to me (unless- see the previous note about the situation near Donetsk).

    Fierce fighting also continued in the Izyum area and north of Slavyansk. Russian troops advanced to the northern outskirts of Kamenka (northwest of Slavyansk). In Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Kostiantynivka, a sharp increase in the number of Ukrainian troops is recorded. – These cities are also planned to be turned into "fortresses" and defended until they are completely destroyed.
    Apparently, the forces required by the command of the Russian army in Ukraine for extensive coverage from the north to Barvenkovo are not at their disposal. Therefore, they try to make coverage "along the shortest line." But on this line, the enemy has enough forces to prevent rapid advances, and dense buildings favor defense.

    Russian aviation continues to attack enemy positions. At the same time, local observers note a relatively small impact on the positions of enemy field artillery, which in some places conducts battery fire from the same positions for several days in a row, without being subjected to air strikes or counter-battery fire. Heavily fortified enemy positions on the front are not very vulnerable to air strikes due to the good engineering equipment of long-term positions and the presence of a large number of man-portable air defense systems by the enemy, which excludes the massive use of attack helicopters.

    On the other fronts, the information is incomplete and only allows us to conclude that the Russian offensive has almost stopped everywhere. In theory, regroupings should be completed before a new deep offensive with strategic tasks. I really don't know what it is.



    Today Summary of Sorokin

    Kharkiv.

    Heavy fighting continues near Dergachy (a satellite city of Kharkov), and the troops of this direction are slowly moving towards the city.. The fighting is extremely intense, the group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the special unit "Kord". Avakov's nationalist and special forces retreated to the city and took hold.. In Alekseyevka (a residential area of the city), the troops took up positions along the ring road, the Ukrainians of course, place their equipped artillery and armored points between the houses, in the village of Zhukovsky, the picture is similar..

    Yesterday, there was an advance of assault detachments and the main Russian troops following them in the area of Severnaya Saltovka (in the north-east of the city), the defenders retreated inside the urban center. The Russian army controls the entire perimeter of the city, except for the road to Chuguev, but it is also being crossed by gunfire, troops are isolating Chuguev, and there is an accumulation of forces in the west of Kharkov..

    Mariupol.

    The assault on the city is continuous, as the Russian commanders use the tactics of "shifts", that is, detachments that worked for 8 hours go to the rear to rest and, if necessary, provide them with medical services, and new groups take their place. I must say that there are still not enough people, initially there was a brigade of Azov fighters, but there are also troops of the Ukrainian army in an unknown number (for us, intelligence, of course, knows this), on our side (Russian army plus DNR militia) about the same, with the necessary triple advantage (tactically), because of this, the assault is delayed, that is, only for this, there are no other reasons..

    The assault columns are on the verge of an event that will be the trigger for the success of the entire operation. Two groups of the army of Russia and Donetsk, advancing from the west and northeast, were already 500 meters from each other tonight - when they connect, the "Azov" will be divided into two independent pockets and destroyed separately. Communication between different groups of defenders is already broken, they have lost the ability to act synchronously..

    The commanders of Azov cry for help through all available channels, from the closed communication to Twitter, many curse to Zelensky and at the helm, and would have given up a long time ago, despite his undoubted courage and firmness, no one wants to die, but they understand that you are not considered combatants ordinary, but nazis and war criminals, and no one will give them a barracks.

    American military experts from among the royalists, unlike the Europeans, are in the majority, warned the General Staff of the Ukrainian Forces that the situation is "terrible" and the Mariupol group has 2 days left..

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:07 am

    JohninMK wrote:Re the second post below, I assume that this will have a big impact on food supplies over much of Ukraine.


    Not as much food as some aircraft repair possibilities.
    The Lviv State Aircraft Repair Plant is located there. "Famous" for stealing half of the aggregates of our AF MiG-29 send for repair Laughing

    flamming_python wrote:Refugee who's evacuating Mariupol undergoes a search by DNR militia for potential Nazi tattoos, a potential sign of Azov membership. He says that he fully supports the searches, but that half the youth of the city have such tattoos by now, including ones that were too young to understand what even went on in 2014

    Just as I have said, if they would be left and keep doing what they did for the past 8 years, it would become a rough state covered by all shistrea media around the globe. They would use it for any anti-Russian activity you can even imagine.
    It was a last call.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:27 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    You can't murder your own brother


    Perhaps you should reconsider....As Ukrainians have no problem with exterminating your people.

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