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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

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    Post  Mir 09/03/22, 10:34 pm

    I do not know where this happened but some "Volksturm" torched an abandoned Grad. The result was quite a bit more than expected. The Grad was fully loaded! Laughing

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    This time around the Darwin Award goes to a non-American What a Face

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    Post  Regular 09/03/22, 10:43 pm

    Well civilians hardly know what they are doing. It wasn't smart to drive this in the city in the first place, but what Ukrainians did was absolutely idiotic.
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    Post  nomadski 09/03/22, 10:53 pm

    @ magnumcromagnon

    "AssholeZov Battalion still hiding behind human shields. Ru Mod was right not to carelessly takeover each city, it's better to cut off their supply routes and wait it out. Eventually the Azov retards will get desperate, and they'll eventually try to horde food and water from the civilians, and this will be the last straw to get the residents to turn against Ukronie forces. "

    Difficult problem to solve . The best solution is the one involving least casualties among civilian and friendly forces . I said provide weapons to civilians to fight the enemy but GarryB said the enemy will kill the civis . And he is right . Without training and supervision , civis will be massacred . Since we can not separate the civis from the Rats , apart from storming the city , which will result in mass casualties among civis and friendly troops , then a solution applied must ensure as far as possible the disabling of the body functions needed for war fighting , yet keeping the body alive , with no long term ill effects .

    I suggested releasing bad smelling gas , but harmless , this will disable a war fighter , yet keep civilians alive . A burst sewage pipe , could take the blame !  Line-up speakers around town or flash bangs , will keep the war fighter sleepless and useless , yet keep civis alive . Food laced with strong laxatives , will disable a war fighter but keep civis alive .

    After all , all these measures will demoralize or partially disable a war fighter , but they should not wait too long , so as either starvation or mass killing by the Rats , finish off the civis ! They should go house to house before then . Best use light mortar fire to clear the streets first . Together with smoke . Heavy artillery will damage buildings that population is hiding in . Already doing this I think !
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    Post  auslander 09/03/22, 10:58 pm

    andalusia wrote:Being here in America I don't know if this is true or not but is it true that a law has been passed that if anybody calls this conflict between Russia and Ukraine a "war" in Russia that they will receive 15 years of prison time? If true that is pretty ridiculous.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-cracks-down-free-speech-040014673.html

    No, that is an absolute and vicious lie. It's 30 years in a strong regime prison colony in Kamchatka.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 09/03/22, 11:03 pm

    auslander wrote:
    andalusia wrote:Being here in America I don't know if this is true or not but is it true that a law has been passed that if anybody calls this conflict between Russia and Ukraine a "war" in Russia that they will receive 15 years of prison time? If true that is pretty ridiculous.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-cracks-down-free-speech-040014673.html

    No, that is an absolute and vicious lie. It's 30 years in a strong regime prison colony in Kamchatka.

    Well, the law is real but it's not that specific, it was an amendment to the criminal code that can punish you if you spread "fake" information the sentence can be UP to 15 years or anything below or fines.
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    Post  lancelot 09/03/22, 11:15 pm

    IIRC you get the 15 years as a repeat offender of publishing fake news about a Russian army military operation.
    First time offender gets like 2 years sentence I think.
    So it is pretty harsh but not the widespread slap on news reporting people make it out to be.


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    Post  Sujoy 09/03/22, 11:16 pm

    The ability of Ukrainian/Western infowar is a sight to behold. They have converted every single qtr-chance into an info goal.




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    Post  lancelot 09/03/22, 11:19 pm

    The Ukrainian politicians are effin retarded. The Chernobyl power plant ceased operations years ago. The existing operation is basically nuclear site cleanup and fuel disposal. A giant Superfund site. Radioactive fuel is kept in storage ponds. These are basically swimming pools where the waste is kept in the bottom and that you need to keep covered with water. And the water does not evaporate that quickly to begin with. Even if it did the idea the radiation would spread wildly all over Europe is pretty much bullshit.

    The whole ceremony and make work project of the Chernobyl sarcophagus project was also a huge make work and political graft project. The Soviet Union had already dumped so much concrete with refractory clay over the reactor that there was next no chance of radiation leakage. The corium was basically encased in concrete.

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    Post  Werewolf 09/03/22, 11:25 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    andalusia wrote:3,000 Americans have applied to join the Ukrainian military:

    This is the dumbest bullshit anyone with a porous border can do. Rolling Eyes

    With the average education of americans in  geography they might end up invading Moldavia.

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    Post  Sujoy 09/03/22, 11:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:India is starting to tilt more towards the Russia-China axis, albeit its careful to keep neutral publicly
    New Delhi did cancel this year's Defence Expo that was supposed to take place next week once it realized that Russia won't be able to attend and the West will then cite this as an example of how unreliable Russia is as a defence partner.

    But these events aside China doesn't want India in any RUSSIA-CHINA axis because it sees India as a competitor and a rival to China's ally Pakistan.
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    Post  lancelot 09/03/22, 11:33 pm

    I think the Chinese view with regards to India is way more complicated than what you make it out to be.
    Around the time China made the CPEC financing project with Pakistan the Chinese tried to get India to join BRI.
    The Indians feared Chinese influence in Indian economy and pushed most Chinese investment out.
    Still you have Chinese companies building part of New Delhi metro with funding from AIB.

    I personally think India avoiding Chinese investment is a major blunder on the part of the current leadership.
    If they had issues with Chinese control they should have make it like China does with US companies in China.
    Force China into 50-50% partnerships with Indian companies with Indian company keeping control of project.

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    Post  teh_beard 09/03/22, 11:40 pm


    At 2:55 mark.
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...
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    Post  lancelot 09/03/22, 11:45 pm

    I suspected as much when I saw some of the guys they captured in their Ratnik-2 gear. They were way too young to be professional troops.
    But these should be minimal since only 1/3rd of active army is conscripts. The Russian army should have like 400k professional troops in it.
    I agree this was a blunder of command though. There clearly was poor communication between political and military leadership.
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    Post  auslander 09/03/22, 11:51 pm

    teh_beard wrote:
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...

    So what?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 09/03/22, 11:54 pm

    The thing is there is no clear information as the scale of the operation.

    When you look at maps of the battle space, usually estimates of Russian forces present for the special military operation are at around 100-115 BTG.

    In terms of personnel that's around 80,000 men , at maximum

    Of the major Combined Arms Armies, most of the other BTG probably are still waiting to be deployed

    So conscripts could be fulfilling roles like logistics and sustainment of deployed forces

    It makes sense so many vehicles getting left behind
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    Post  Broski 09/03/22, 11:58 pm


    Also...
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    Post  JohninMK 10/03/22, 12:01 am

    auslander wrote:
    teh_beard wrote:
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...

    So what?

    It directly contradicts what Putin said 1/2 days ago. He will not be happy.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 10/03/22, 12:01 am

    teh_beard wrote:
    At 2:55 mark.
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...
    Weren't you pouting a week ago with the news of Kadyrov's forces joining too? Rolling Eyes The sky is falling...I get it. Wink  
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    Post  JohninMK 10/03/22, 12:05 am

    Sujoy wrote:The ability of Ukrainian/Western infowar is a sight to behold. They have converted every single qtr-chance into an info goal.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon 10/03/22, 12:12 am

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    Post  teh_beard 10/03/22, 12:15 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    teh_beard wrote:
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...

    So what?

    It directly contradicts what Putin said 1/2 days ago. He will not be happy.
    It contradicts what he reiterated 1-2 days ago. Disregarding hows and whys, which we all well understand, it will create drama because it creates problems on many levels. Not just to the public opinion on the whole matter inside Russia, but for a feeble attempt of out MOD on PR which became noticeable last week.
    As some Chilean dude sitting in Harkov basement noticed - Ukraine wins PR war, Russia wins war war.
    And former is not less important then the latter nowadays.
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    Post  auslander 10/03/22, 12:18 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    teh_beard wrote:
    There are conscripts in the active units after all. What worse it came to the attention after Ukrainian SF group raided some rear echelon supply force and took prisoners.
    It will be blowing up big time on both sides of the infowar. On ours heads will definitely roll - fucking up Putin`s word there are none in the Ukraine like that...
    So what?
    It directly contradicts what Putin said 1/2 days ago. He will not be happy.

    The President of the Russian Federation was informed about the facts of the participation of conscripts in a military special operation in Ukraine, and the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office will investigate this. This was announced by the Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, reports RIA Novosti .

    According to Peskov, even before the start of the special operation, all unit commanders were informed of the instruction of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief: “to categorically exclude the involvement of conscripts to perform any tasks on the territory of Ukraine.”

    Neither Putin nor Shoigu can look at every conscript's record to see if he's been deployed against orders or not....or if he managed to slip through and stay with his unit, orders be damned.

    So again, 'So What?'

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    Post  teh_beard 10/03/22, 12:19 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Weren't you pouting a week ago with the news of Kadyrov's forces joining too? Rolling Eyes The sky is falling...I get it. Wink  
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    Wut?

    I`m all for chechens joining the fight were its hardest.
    They our gurkhas - savage, have a fearsome blown-out reputation, disposable.
    They more they kill and more of them dies in the process the better.

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    Post  Ispan 10/03/22, 12:29 am

    No war report today but I revised the translation of a letter from Kharkov underground about yesterday events

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/carta-desde-kharkov/

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